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    Re: Republican Cruz bests Trump in Iowa race, Clinton and Sanders tie

    Quote Originally Posted by SHAMAS View Post
    Trump has no political experience whatsoever. He's never held political office. He will if elected need to handle the senate and congress. Presidents generally don't draft legislation. Despite his business experience ( even though he has been declared bankrupt more than twice) he will need deal with heads of government.

    Not just Trump but the GOP rhetoric about making America great again is just moonshine. America is a declining global power.

    If Trump behaves true to form, if elected to President he is more likely to do more damage than good.
    You are welcome to your opinion.

    As I'm sure you would allow me mine.

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    Re: Republican Cruz bests Trump in Iowa race, Clinton and Sanders tie

    The (new) Donald — Trumpelstiltskin

    Donald Trump’s claim that Sen. Ted Cruz won the Iowa Caucuses by vote fraud denoted a tantrum of fabulous proportions. The fable that comes to mind is that of Rumpelstiltskin, who, it will be remembered, spun straw into gold in return for the first-born child of the boastful miller’s daughter. Only if the girl could learn his name would the evil dwarf relinquish his claim. She followed him to his lair and observed him dancing and chanting, “Es ist gut dass niemand weiss/Dass ich Rumpelstilzchen heiss” (“It’s good that no-one knows my name is Rumpelstiltskin”).

    rumplestiltskinFoiled, the dwarf stamped one foot into the ground up to his waist, and then grabbed his other foot and tore himself in half.

    Bad writers imitate and good writers steal, said T.S. Eliot, and I have stolen the designation “Trumpelstiltskin” from my daughter Raquel, whose literary talent dwarfs mine, as it were. Trump spent 15 hours in enraged silence after the Cruz victory, and then tweeted:

    Ted Cruz didn’t win Iowa, he stole it. That is why all of the polls were so wrong and why he got far more votes than anticipated. Bad!

    And an hour later:

    Based on the fraud committed by Senator Ted Cruz during the Iowa Caucus, either a new election should take place or Cruz results nullified.

    And again:

    The State of Iowa should disqualify Ted Cruz from the most recent election on the basis that he cheated- a total fraud!

    Trump later explained that the alleged fraud consisted of two actions by the Cruz campaign. The first was an email citing news media reports that Ben Carson was considering quitting the race (such a report had just appeared on CNN, in fact). The second was a mailing to Iowa voters with an official-looking format citing “voter violations,” namely a low turnout rate in past Iowa caucuses. The point of the mailing was to shame voters into attending the caucuses, because a high turnout helped Cruz. It is strange to cry “fraud” over an effort to get more duly registered voters to the polls.

    Neither of these constitutes a dirty trick in the usual meaning of the term: no-one hacked the Trump campaign computers or let the air out of the tires of his private jet. Cruz played rough, to be sure, but not dirty. That is the sort of thing a prospective president (not to mention a serving president) has to do.

    Cruz wants to win, and evidently will go right up to the line of acceptable behavior to do so — but he did not cross it. Cruz won Iowa through massive preparation on the ground, as well as painstaking parsing of the issues. He managed to persuade Iowa farmers that a level playing field in the energy market would increase demand for ethanol (and hence for the Iowa corn from which it is made), and help them more than the federal ethanol subsidy.

    No-one doubts that Cruz, a former national college debating champion, is exceptionally bright. Most exceptionally bright people cannot resist the temptation to wing it, simply because they can. Not so Cruz. He combines high intelligence with enormous discipline and capacity for work. Betsy McCaughey, a former Republican Lieutenant-Governor of New York, observes that self-discipline of this kind bespeaks humility: he is smart enough to know that even smart people can make big mistakes, and that hard work is the best insurance against missteps. Humility is not a personality trait one immediately associates with a politician who has opposed virtually all his colleagues in the Senate, but it is required to solicit and obtain the support of grassroots leaders, as Cruz did.

    The American public is in a surly mood and cheers a flamboyant figure who “tells it like it is,” responding to difficult questions with answers that are simple, clear and wrong, as H.L. Mencken put it. In the past, swaying local leaders–business associations, trade unions, clergy, media, and politicians–was the key to winning elections, because most ordinary voters looked to leading citizens they knew personally to guide their votes. That won Iowa for Ted Cruz; whether the citizens of other states prefer the old-fashioned selection process to reality-show politics remains to be seen.

    rump222Trumpelstiltskin, meanwhile, has revealed a side of his character that voters hitherto have ignored, or even admired in a perverse way. He inherited wealth and ran a private company the way he wanted to, saying what he wanted and hiring and firing whom he pleased, without answering to partners, shareholders or the general public.

    He is not a particularly good businessman; had he invested his inheritance in a stock-market index fund, his net worth would be double what it is today. But the psychic rewards of unrestricted narcissism more than compensated for the unperformance of his portfolio. He has had the opportunity to retain the infantile instincts of a child of wealth into his dotage. He cannot bear to lose; he cannot even bear to accept part of the responsibility for a loss.

    In a bitter response to the vote-fraud charge, Cruz warned that if Trump had his finger on the nuclear button, we might wake up one morning and find out that Donald had nuked Denmark. That is an exaggeration, but Trump betrays the sort of personality traits that would make for a president from Hell.

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    Re: Republican Cruz bests Trump in Iowa race, Clinton and Sanders tie

    Quote Originally Posted by vsdoc View Post
    You are welcome to your opinion.

    As I'm sure you would allow me mine.
    Of course you're entitled to your opinion. However as I mention to my students on regular occasions, not all opinions are of equal value. Those supported by facts and evidence are generally more valid!

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    Re: Republican Cruz bests Trump in Iowa race, Clinton and Sanders tie

    Whilst he got away having gone bankrupt he wouldn't get the same chance if he took America into bankruptcy

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    Re: Republican Cruz bests Trump in Iowa race, Clinton and Sanders tie

    Quote Originally Posted by Nabeel View Post
    Whilst he got away having gone bankrupt he wouldn't get the same chance if he took America into bankruptcy
    I thought they were going bust already. Google Detroit

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    Re: Republican Cruz bests Trump in Iowa race, Clinton and Sanders tie

    Trump wins in New Hampshire, Sanders defeats Clinton

    MANCHESTER: Bernie Sanders won a commanding victory over Hillary Clinton in the New Hampshire primary Tuesday, and Donald Trump also scored a big win in a triumph of two candidates who have seized on Americans' anger at the Washington political establishment.

    Both outcomes would have been nearly unthinkable not long ago.

    Sanders, a self-described democratic socialist, beat a former secretary of state and first lady once seen as the all-but-certain Democratic nominee.

    While Clinton remains the favourite in national race for the Democratic nomination, the win by the Vermont senator could be a springboard into a competitive, drawn-out primary campaign.

    For Trump, the brash real estate magnate and television personality who has never held public office, the win was an important rebound after his loss to Texas Senator Ted Cruz in last week's Iowa caucuses, the first nominating contest.

    Read: Cruz tops Trump, Clinton pushed hard in Iowa caucuses

    Trump has led national polls for months and the New Hampshire victory reinforces his position as front-runner, proving he can win votes, and giving credibility to his upstart populist candidacy.

    “Wow, wow, wow, wow,” Trump declared, savouring his victory at a campaign rally before promising swift action as president on the economy, trade, health care, drug abuse and more. “We are going to do something so good and so fast and so strong and the world is going to respect us again. Believe me.”

    For some Republican leaders, back-to-back victories by Trump and Cruz, an uncompromising conservative, add urgency to the need to coalesce around a more mainstream candidate to challenge them through the primaries. However, Tuesday's vote did little to clarify who that candidate might be.

    Ohio Governor John Kasich finished second after devoting almost all of his campaign resources to New Hampshire. Competing for third were Cruz, former Florida Governor Jeb Bush and Florida Senator Marco Rubio.

    All looked for a strong showing that would produce an influx of new donor money and attention as the election moves on to the February 20 South Carolina primary.

    New Jersey Governor Chris Christie, who had dedicated a significant amount of time to New Hampshire, lagged behind in the vote count, casting doubt on the future of his campaign. He told supporters that instead of going to South Carolina, he'll head home to “take a deep breath” and take stock of his struggling presidential bid.

    The day was also a blow for Rubio, who had appeared to be breaking away from the second-tier Republican pack after a stronger-than-expected third-place showing in Iowa. But he stumbled in a debate Saturday under intense pressure from Christie who cast the young senator as too inexperienced and too reliant on memorized talking points to become president.

    At stake Tuesday were less than 1 per cent of the delegates who, at party national conventions in July, will choose nominees to succeed President Barack Obama.

    But a strong showing in New Hampshire can give a candidate momentum ahead of state contests in coming weeks, including the March 1 Super Tuesday, when 11 states vote.

    Nearly half of voters in the Republican primary made up their mind in the past week, according to early exit polls conducted by Edison Research for the Associated Press and the television networks.

    In a sign of Trump's impact on the race, two-thirds of Republican voters said they support a ban on Muslims entering the United States, a position the billionaire outlined last year amid rising fears of terrorism emanating from the Middle East.

    Among Democrats, Sanders, who narrowly lost in Iowa, had maintained a sizeable advantage over Clinton in New Hampshire for weeks. He appeals to liberal Democrats who believe Obama hasn't done enough to address the nation's disparity in wealth.

    Sanders said at a raucous victory party that his win sends a message “that the government of our great country belongs to all of the people and not just a handful of wealthy campaign contributors” and their political committees.

    Clinton echoed Sanders' calls for tackling income inequality, but cast herself as more prepared to make good on her policy pledges. “People have every right to be angry. But they're also hungry, they're hungry for solutions,” she said.

    But Clinton has been on the defensive, about her ties to Wall Street ─ including hundreds of thousands of dollars in speaking fees from financial firms ─ and her use of a personal email account for official business while secretary of state, which has raised questions about whether she mishandled government secrets and about her overall trustworthiness.

    Clinton's campaign argues she will perform better as the race heads to more racially diverse states, including Nevada and South Carolina.

    Both New Hampshire and Iowa are overwhelmingly white states that are far less diverse than the nation ─ and particularly the Democratic electorate ─ as a whole.

    While Sanders' victory means he's assured of a majority of the state's pledged delegates, Clinton remains ahead in the overall delegate count due to support from superdelegates ─ the party officials who can support the candidate of their choice at the convention.

    Overall, Clinton has amassed at least 392 delegates and Sanders at least 42; the magic number to clinch the nomination is 2,382.

    By winning Tuesday, Trump will take the lead in the race for delegates for the Republican National Convention. But it won't be much of a lead.

    There are only 23 delegates at stake in New Hampshire's Republican primary, and they are awarded proportionally, based on the state-wide vote. Trump will win at least nine.

    A candidate needs 1,237 delegates to win the nomination

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