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    At least ten migrants drown off Turkey, several missing

    AYVACIK: At least ten migrants, including five children, drowned on Saturday when their boat sank in the Aegean Sea while trying to cross from Turkey to Greece, the Turkish coastguard said.

    An unknown number of people were still missing after the latest in a long list of migrant boat sinkings in the Mediterranean.

    So far, 43 passengers had been rescued, the private Dogan news agency reported.

    “We are sad. At least 20 friends are still missing,” one weeping survivor told an AFP photographer at the scene.

    The migrants, who included Syrian and Afghan refugees, had set off from the district of Ayvacik in Canakkale province in an apparent bid to reach the Greek island of Lesbos.

    Turkey, which is hosting at least 2.5 million refugees from Syria's civil war, has become the main launchpad for migrants fleeing war, persecution and poverty to Europe.

    The Turkish government struck a deal with the EU in November to halt the outflow of refugees, in return for 3 billion euros ($3.2 billion) in financial assistance.

    Neither the deal nor the winter conditions appear to have deterred the migrants, who continue to pay people smugglers thousands of dollars for the risky crossing in overloaded boats.

    The International Organisation for Migration (IOM) said this week 45,361 migrants had arrived in Greece by sea so far this year, 31 times more than for all of January 2015.

    Some 90 per cent of the new arrivals were from Syria, Iraq and Afghanistan, it added.

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    who cares.
    These things are human right issue only if happen outside western countries.

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    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    who cares.
    These things are human right issue only if happen outside western countries.
    Didn't they pay Turks to keep refugees out of Europe oh no that money was given to Turkish govt to assist refugees

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    37 migrants drown off Turkey; children’s bodies strewn over beach

    AYVACIK (Turkey): The Turkish coastguard recovered on Saturday the bodies of women and children washed up on a beach after yet another migrant boat sank while trying to reach Europe, leaving at least 37 dead.

    In harrowing scenes reminiscent of the death of Aylan Kurdi, the Syrian toddler photographed lying dead on a Turkish beach in September, the body of a small child could be seen among those strewn over a beach near the town of Ayvacik in north-western Canakkale province, a photographer at the scene said.

    A picture showed the dead child dressed in dark trousers and a blue top, face covered with a small hat. In another image, a Turkish gendarme is seen lowering the body of an older child into a body bag.

    Another young child was also found dead in the water, according to the photographer.

    A number of other children also drowned after the boat ferrying them and their families — some from Syria, others from Afghanistan and Myanmar — to the nearby Greek island of Lesbos sank just off the Turkish coast.

    A Turkish official said the Turkish coastguard recovered 37 bodies including children. The incident comes two days after 25 migrants, including 10 children, drowned off the Greek island of Samos. In an earlier statement the Turkish coastguard said 75 people had been rescued.

    The Turkish coastguard also said it could not give an exact number of migrants in the boat based on the testimony of the rescued migrants, adding that the rescue operation was continuing.

    The photographer counted at least 19 bodies.

    “We are sad. At least 20 friends are still missing,” a weeping woman who was among the survivors said earlier.

    The capsized boat was visible around 50 metres from the shore, where divers from the coastguard were still searching for the missing.

    Military police in green berets placed bodies in bags to be taken to a morgue.

    Life jackets and other refugees’ belongings were seen dotted across the beach.

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    Screams could be heard of the drowning. The conscience of those they are running away from will be burning today.

    RIP
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    Awful piece of news to read. RIP
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    27 migrants drown as boat capsizes near Turkey

    ISTANBUL: Twenty-seven migrants, 11 of them children, drowned off Turkey's Aegean coast on Monday as they tried to reach a Greek island, the Turkish coast guard said.

    Four migrants were rescued and a search operation was under way for nine remaining passengers.

    One migrant was rescued by a fisherman and three more were rescued by the coast guard, which said it had deployed boats and helicopters to search for more passengers.

    The boat sank in the Aegean Sea near the Edremit area of the northwestern province Balikesir.

    Separately, the private news agency Dogan said 11 migrants died and three were rescued when another boat sank further south, off the coast of Dikili in the province of Izmir.

    More than 900,000 people fleeing Syria, Afghanistan and other war-torn or impoverished countries arrived in Greece from Turkey last year, often risking their lives in the short but perilous sea crossing in overloaded boats. Hundreds have died making the attempt.

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    Re: At least ten migrants drown off Turkey, several missing

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    27 migrants drown as boat capsizes near Turkey

    ISTANBUL: Twenty-seven migrants, 11 of them children, drowned off Turkey's Aegean coast on Monday as they tried to reach a Greek island, the Turkish coast guard said.

    Four migrants were rescued and a search operation was under way for nine remaining passengers.

    One migrant was rescued by a fisherman and three more were rescued by the coast guard, which said it had deployed boats and helicopters to search for more passengers.

    The boat sank in the Aegean Sea near the Edremit area of the northwestern province Balikesir.

    Separately, the private news agency Dogan said 11 migrants died and three were rescued when another boat sank further south, off the coast of Dikili in the province of Izmir.

    More than 900,000 people fleeing Syria, Afghanistan and other war-torn or impoverished countries arrived in Greece from Turkey last year, often risking their lives in the short but perilous sea crossing in overloaded boats. Hundreds have died making the attempt.
    Another awful tragedy. Poor people that no one wants. Thanks again to the USA and its friends for the havoc created in their original homeland.
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    Didn't they pay Turks to keep refugees out of Europe oh no that money was given to Turkish govt to assist refugees
    No they didn't paid yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    Another awful tragedy. Poor people that no one wants. Thanks again to the USA and its friends for the havoc created in their original homeland.
    Thanks Assad for barrel bombing it's citizens. I love how you all paint Assad and Russia as angels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    Thanks Assad for barrel bombing it's citizens. I love how you all paint Assad and Russia as angels.
    Now then Mr Sinan. Firstly I represent only myself so don't attempt to be immature and tarnish all with the same brush. That's like me saying all Turks are kebab makers and that's wrong and its call racism.

    Now coming onto the juice of your post. I am not suggesting Assad is or was an angel. However the external interference into Syria by those that had ulterior motives has been quite scandalous. Look at the situation before and after the intrusion and judge for yourself.
    Before Syrian Christians and Muslims lived side by side. Now they would rather drown than stay put. Is this the democracy the USA and its ass lickers wanted?
    Look at the carnage in Iraq Afghanistan and Libya. Are they better off?

    As for Russia, its obviously a sore point as no one has mentioned them apart from you. Are you obsessed with them? They have been invited by the legitimate government of Syria which is far more worthy than those that are trying to "introduce democracy" to Syria. Now attempt to stop the 1 liners and absorb the ground facts. Whoever is to blame a humanitarian tragedy is occurring where innocent are being slaughtered.

    RIP
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    Quote Originally Posted by ArshadK View Post
    Didn't they pay Turks to keep refugees out of Europe oh no that money was given to Turkish govt to assist refugees
    So Turkey should only be taking refugees for money? No humanity left I guess.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    Another awful tragedy. Poor people that no one wants. Thanks again to the USA and its friends for the havoc created in their original homeland.
    RIP

    Most doors are closing for these helpless souls.

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    Now then Mr Sinan. Firstly I represent only myself so don't attempt to be immature and tarnish all with the same brush. That's like me saying all Turks are kebab makers and that's wrong and its call racism.

    Now coming onto the juice of your post. I am not suggesting Assad is or was an angel. However the external interference into Syria by those that had ulterior motives has been quite scandalous. Look at the situation before and after the intrusion and judge for yourself.
    Before Syrian Christians and Muslims lived side by side. Now they would rather drown than stay put. Is this the democracy the USA and its ass lickers wanted?
    Look at the carnage in Iraq Afghanistan and Libya. Are they better off?

    As for Russia, its obviously a sore point as no one has mentioned them apart from you. Are you obsessed with them? They have been invited by the legitimate government of Syria which is far more worthy than those that are trying to "introduce democracy" to Syria. Now attempt to stop the 1 liners and absorb the ground facts. Whoever is to blame a humanitarian tragedy is occurring where innocent are being slaughtered.

    RIP
    What about implementing Democracy ?

    Tunisia, Eygpt, Yemen, Bahrain ? İmplenting democracy in these lands, had been catastrophic ? When Syrian people, demanded democracy instead of living under a dictator, Assad should have left instead he barrel bombed Syrian citizens, killed 400.000 of them, displaced millions, devastated cities....and what's even more comical is you call these baby killer "legitimate ruler...lol.

    If Assad had not turned Syria into a slaughter house, extremists couldn't have found ground for themselves and there would be no ISIS, Nusra.

    But let's not see these and blame it all on US and it's allies. Guys, believe what you have to believe.

    Now, Syria turned into a mess all the powerful countries trying to get a slice from the cake. Trying to have a say in the future of the region.

    Turkey's fault in this case.....there were 2 options for us in the begining.

    1-) We would not have supported FSA and stayed completely neutral, not get involved in their interior affairs.
    2-) In 2012 when Iranian and Russian forces in Syria was near to zero, we should have decleared downing of our jet as a "Casus Belli", storm and invade Syria. Replace Assad with a ruler whom would be friendly to Turkey and left the country.

    We did neither, now we are suffering from the past's wrong choices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    What about implementing Democracy ?
    Tunisia, Eygpt, Yemen, Bahrain ? İmplenting democracy in these lands, had been catastrophic ? When Syrian people, demanded democracy instead of living under a dictator, Assad should have left instead he barrel bombed Syrian citizens, killed 400.000 of them, displaced millions, devastated cities....and what's even more comical is you call these baby killer "legitimate ruler...lol.

    If Assad had not turned Syria into a slaughter house, extremists couldn't have found ground for themselves and there would be no ISIS, Nusra.

    But let's not see these and blame it all on US and it's allies. Guys, believe what you have to believe.

    Now, Syria turned into a mess all the powerful countries trying to get a slice from the cake. Trying to have a say in the future of the region.

    Turkey's fault in this case.....there were 2 options for us in the begining.

    1-) We would not have supported FSA and stayed completely neutral, not get involved in their interior affairs.
    2-) In 2012 when Iranian and Russian forces in Syria was near to zero, we should have decleared downing of our jet as a "Casus Belli", storm and invade Syria. Replace Assad with a ruler whom would be friendly to Turkey and left the country.

    We did neither, now we are suffering from the past's wrong choices.
    Who died and made the USA and their cronies god? Who has a right to enter a sovereign state and attempt a demolition job on it? [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] I agree with you regarding Assad. He is no angel and as Turkey is a neighbour I understand your grievance as now you are having major issues on he border but you cannot sponsor ISIS like the USA and Saudi did initially to cause havoc and then blame Assad for the aftermath.

    Democracy doesn't come easily but paramount to any overthrow of a government must be the people and their welfare. This certainly has not been the case in Syria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    No they didn't paid yet.
    Turkey is already overflowing with refugees and absorbing much more. The least it can expect is remuneration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    Who died and made the USA and their cronies god? Who has a right to enter a sovereign state and attempt a demolition job on it? [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] I agree with you regarding Assad. He is no angel and as Turkey is a neighbour I understand your grievance as now you are having major issues on he border but you cannot sponsor ISIS like the USA and Saudi did initially to cause havoc and then blame Assad for the aftermath.

    Democracy doesn't come easily but paramount to any overthrow of a government must be the people and their welfare. This certainly has not been the case in Syria.
    The last thing anyone is thinking about is the civilians.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    Who died and made the USA and their cronies god? Who has a right to enter a sovereign state and attempt a demolition job on it? [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] I agree with you regarding Assad. He is no angel and as Turkey is a neighbour I understand your grievance as now you are having major issues on he border but you cannot sponsor ISIS like the USA and Saudi did initially to cause havoc and then blame Assad for the aftermath.

    Democracy doesn't come easily but paramount to any overthrow of a government must be the people and their welfare. This certainly has not been the case in Syria.
    You are looking at the issue from a very wrong angle....

    Let's say tomorrow, Erdoğan closes the Turkish parliament, changes the constitution and brings a monarchical system, declares himself Sultan and brings back the Sharia. And when Turkish people rise against him, he kills them in thousands, throws them into jail and tortures them.

    Would you side with Erdogan or Turkish people whom rises against his tyranny. Would you condemn US if it sides with the Turkish people against him ?

    That's what happened exactly in Syria...i'm following the Syrian civil for years from it's early days to till this date. I have seen the peaceful demonstrations along Syria. Seen how Assad soldiers fired upon protestors. Seen people get arms, syrian army officers soldiers join FSA, how Assad bombed cities as the aftermath how ordinary citizens joined in the ranks of FSA after losing their whole family. How with time Jihadists from the world flock to Syria. Rise of Jabrat Al-Nusra. During this time anonoymous bombs sets of in Iraq all the time targeting Shias. Ex-Baasists joining Nusra, More exteremists joining Nusra. ISIL break up from Nusra. ISIL and Nusra decides a meeting for agreement. ISIL wipes out senior commanders of Nusra at the meeting, absorbing more elements of Nusra, Changing it's name to ISIS, after gaining power storming many SAA bases, capturing tons of Tanks, Artillery, ammunitation from SAA's depots, Storming of Musul and other cities in Iraq, capturing tremendous amounts of weaponry. Lifting the Shia's pressure on Sunnis and getting them into their ranks. And here we are today

    I have seen it all.... so, please save your "X" county created ISIS. Nobody created ISIS directly. They seized the opportunity as a small group and eventually happened to be the biggest terrorist organization in the world.

    You say, you supported ISIS....with what for fvcks sake ? Have you seen any Turkish weapon in the ISIS ? Forget weaponary have you ever seen a single made in Turkey in the hands of ISIS ? Have you seen US weapons ? No...you have not seen.

    But you and your folk continue to blame TUrkey....as for you it's easy to believe in something rather than thinking with logic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    You are looking at the issue from a very wrong angle....

    Let's say tomorrow, Erdoğan closes the Turkish parliament, changes the constitution and brings a monarchical system, declares himself Sultan and brings back the Sharia. And when Turkish people rise against him, he kills them in thousands, throws them into jail and tortures them.
    If the Turkish people stood up against Erdogan there is no question he would be overthrown. He would be overthrown without external assistance.

    This is the thing if a majority of people in any country rise up no force can stop them.

    Look in Pakistan we have a population of say some 200 million. If just 5% of them came on the streets that would be 10 million people.

    What could the state do we have a massive army and even nukes. What could the leaders do? Nuke our own people?

    The reason I and many others here dont agree with interference and I have tried to explain this to you before is that evrey country from Turkey Syria Saudi Iran Pakistan have minorities that claim that they are being abused. If a country from outside supports that minority its easy to destabilise the country.

    Look at France what a nightmare a dozen or so idiots with klashnikovs did they murdered well over a hundred people.

    Can you imagine if you were to have just 1000 idiots armed with klashnkovs can do?

    I have no time for Assad but his enemies from day one had weapons which were used against Syrian security forces what do you expect them to do but shoot back?

    Who are we outside the country to interfere in another country.

    In Spain they had a fascist dictator for 40 years and then they had a peaceful transition. why didnt the world care?

    Is it only in Muslim countries we need help to get rid of dictators at the expense of tens of thousand deaths?

    Look at Libya they used to have free health and free education and as long as you didnt try to get political or take power the vast majority lived in peace. gadaffi would not live for ever. His time would have passed. How many years did he have left 10 maybe 20? Change peacefully would have been better until the masses of Libyans came on the street without external western help.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hariz View Post
    If the Turkish people stood up against Erdogan there is no question he would be overthrown. He would be overthrown without external assistance.

    This is the thing if a majority of people in any country rise up no force can stop them.

    Look in Pakistan we have a population of say some 200 million. If just 5% of them came on the streets that would be 10 million people.

    What could the state do we have a massive army and even nukes. What could the leaders do? Nuke our own people?

    The reason I and many others here dont agree with interference and I have tried to explain this to you before is that evrey country from Turkey Syria Saudi Iran Pakistan have minorities that claim that they are being abused. If a country from outside supports that minority its easy to destabilise the country.

    Look at France what a nightmare a dozen or so idiots with klashnikovs did they murdered well over a hundred people.

    Can you imagine if you were to have just 1000 idiots armed with klashnkovs can do?

    I have no time for Assad but his enemies from day one had weapons which were used against Syrian security forces what do you expect them to do but shoot back?

    Who are we outside the country to interfere in another country.

    In Spain they had a fascist dictator for 40 years and then they had a peaceful transition. why didnt the world care?

    Is it only in Muslim countries we need help to get rid of dictators at the expense of tens of thousand deaths?

    Look at Libya they used to have free health and free education and as long as you didnt try to get political or take power the vast majority lived in peace. gadaffi would not live for ever. His time would have passed. How many years did he have left 10 maybe 20? Change peacefully would have been better until the masses of Libyans came on the street without external western help.
    You make some great points but are falling on deaf ears here.

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