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    Re: Tejas Vs JF 17 at airshows.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mohan Tiwari View Post
    Well they would begin head to head comparison once
    we start production of 16 tejas yearly after rectification of those 43 anomalies.
    Lets hope that HAL is able to start production of aesa equipped tejas from 2018
    But considering we need what - 300 odd Tejas ourselves, at 18/year its going to take HAL over 15 years just to fulfil our own Air Force's demands. What are we going to have to sell?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hariz View Post
    thanks for that. didn't realise that Indians had finally got that supposed home made teja up in the air. How many squadrons do they have up?
    Home made? You mean home assembled. A nation that struggles to make a ball bearing hasn't the capability. The Indian with half a brain, knows deep down the ground facts of reality.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    Home made? You mean home assembled. A nation that struggles to make a ball bearing hasn't the capability. The Indian with half a brain, knows deep down the ground facts of reality.
    IT may be the case for pak. India is among top 5-6nations that produce warship grade titanium steel reqd for submarine and warships.
    That's why india is among top 10 industrial power house. look at fortune 500 companies and count number of indian companies. India is ranked among top 6 nations in automobile production.
    Google bharatforge.it's world second biggest auto components manufacturer.

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    >>But considering we need what - 300 odd Tejas ourselves, at 18/year its going to take HAL over 15 years just to fulfil our own Air Force's demands. What are we going to have to sell?

    If PAF invests in better JF17. If they get more F16's. If they get J31. Would IAF achieve something with building LCA? I mean let us add lot of IF's on all sides... And there is a big difference. I mean lots of differences:

    -LCA needs to be tested (IOC)... JF17 is accepted and already in 3-4 operational squadrons.
    -LCA block1 is no ready. JF17 block2 is produced.
    -LCA no BVR or intelligent weapons. JF17 tons of latest.
    etc etc
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munir View Post
    >>But considering we need what - 300 odd Tejas ourselves, at 18/year its going to take HAL over 15 years just to fulfil our own Air Force's demands. What are we going to have to sell?

    If PAF invests in better JF17. If they get more F16's. If they get J31. Would IAF achieve something with building LCA? I mean let us add lot of IF's on all sides... And there is a big difference. I mean lots of differences:

    -LCA needs to be tested (IOC)... JF17 is accepted and already in 3-4 operational squadrons.
    -LCA block1 is no ready. JF17 block2 is produced.
    -LCA no BVR or intelligent weapons. JF17 tons of latest.
    etc etc
    I believe Mohan has already proved conclusively through his many detailed and highly technical posts that the Tejas is a far superior plane then the JF17.

    My question centered around why we could not build them faster, in larger numbers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Munir View Post
    >>But considering we need what - 300 odd Tejas ourselves, at 18/year its going to take HAL over 15 years just to fulfil our own Air Force's demands. What are we going to have to sell?

    If PAF invests in better JF17. If they get more F16's. If they get J31. Would IAF achieve something with building LCA? I mean let us add lot of IF's on all sides... And there is a big difference. I mean lots of differences:

    -LCA needs to be tested (IOC)... JF17 is accepted and already in 3-4 operational squadrons.
    -LCA block1 is no ready. JF17 block2 is produced.
    -LCA no BVR or intelligent weapons. JF17 tons of latest.
    etc etc
    For tejas trainer mk1 bvr is part of FOC criteria.
    Derby test is scheduled next month.
    But full fledged production ll start from 2017.
    JF17 block 2 introduced bvr and pgm which are part of FOC for MK1 tejas

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    Quote Originally Posted by vsdoc View Post
    I believe Mohan has already proved conclusively through his many detailed and highly technical posts that the Tejas is a far superior plane then the JF17.

    My question centered around why we could not build them faster, in larger numbers.
    Incompetence, corruption and generally a sh1thole for avionic manufacturing. A nation that excels in kissing French ass is highly capable of any sort of in house mass production. Before asking stupid questions engage brain hence you will save yourself and us the time. S.O.M.

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    Jf-17 carrying SD-10
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    Jf-17 carrying SD-10
    Great video and one that I can now watch!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by greencold View Post
    Incompetence, corruption and generally a sh1thole for avionic manufacturing. A nation that excels in kissing French ass is highly capable of any sort of in house mass production. Before asking stupid questions engage brain hence you will save yourself and us the time. S.O.M.
    0- There is no connection between HAL and Indian Airforce--HAL is developer/assembler--DRDO/ADA is owner of IP,design--IAF is the end user-IAF buys aircrafts which will meet its expectation-
    Rafale is the only suitable prime fighter and IAF needs them to maintain balance on eastern front!

    1. HAL is public sector organisation--So they may not be competitive as compared to Tata, Mahindra and L&T

    2. HAL have good R&D at high end level---They filed 773 patents in 2014-15

    3. HAL have union culture which promotes mediocrity and non-accountability at low end level

    4. HAL cant go ahead & start production until it meets FOC criteria for Tejas--

    5. There are tons of bureaucratic hassles.-IAF had no orders for Tejas---The written orders came in last month

    6. HAL cant move humane resourced into tejas line until it gets those orders and officially invest in up-scaling the manufacturing/assembling line--Every aircraft order is associated with big outsourcing work to pvt sector tier 1, tier 2 ,tier 3 vendors
    HAL is putting in 200 mill$ in next year for upscaling the tejas production line--

    Role of HAL will be pretty much limited to final integration and testing--

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    The point will not sink in. Wholesale corruption has stifled anything they do.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vsdoc View Post
    Don't skirt the question please.

    A reasonable one.
    For a doctor you dont have talk some nonsense.....
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    Jf-17 carrying SD-10
    Great sharing.
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    Re: Tejas Vs JF 17 at airshows.

    Here's an old video of JF-17. Compare it with LCA's performance in Bahrain where the pilot didn't complete a single manoevre.
    JFT however is doing a perfect Cuban 8, 360 degree turn and other smart manoevres without stalling. It looks energetic all the time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vsdoc View Post
    I believe Mohan has already proved conclusively through his many detailed and highly technical posts that the Tejas is a far superior plane then the JF17.

    My question centered around why we could not build them faster, in larger numbers.
    No Mohan rehashes old arguments and throws a lot of "Going to " out there. The boy probably bores his colleagues with 3 hour powerpoint presentations.
    The reality is this.It's 2016 No FOC yet The base models had to have numerous waivers. The IAF is lukewarm on this technological marvel. The aircraft it is supposed to replace 10 years ago still in service. Exactly 1 aircraft delivered to IAF
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohan Tiwari View Post
    For tejas trainer mk1 bvr is part of FOC criteria.
    Derby test is scheduled next month.
    But full fledged production ll start from 2017.
    JF17 block 2 introduced bvr and pgm which are part of FOC for MK1 tejas
    Gonna gonna gonna
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    Re: Tejas Vs JF 17 at airshows.

    Quote Originally Posted by keysersoze View Post
    Gonna gonna gonna
    http://idrw.org/lca-tejas-test-fires-derby-bvr-missile/

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    >>Published February 5, 2016
    >>SOURCE: IDRW NEWS NETWORK (INN)

    I hear people shouting about reliable sources... Is this reliable?

    Here you have an Israeli Derby (which is hardly new cause it is used by Indian harriers) using Israeli radar and helmet being integrated by Israeli manpower. And added on a plane which is light weight short range based on the other side of India. The LCA is hardly latest technology. It is a downgraded Mirage 2000 design. Using an expensive US engine. It has to small cockpit. There are numerous problems yet to rectify. And because it is said on the paper that is better then JF17 some lads keep believing that JF17 is lower tech. As if some composites make it so good... Even with compostites is has issues with weight.


    OK. A simple delta duting dogfight... Give me the advantages and disadvantages compared to say conventional lay-out. If you are so impressed by it then you should know this...
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