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    India's Worst Nightmare: Pakistani F-35 Stealth Fighters?

    Pakistan wants to buy Lockheed Martin’s stealthy fifth-generation F-35 Joint Strike Fighter. But the South Asian nation’s chances of acquiring the new American-built warplane are fairly remote. Not only would export of the F-35 to Islamabad compromise the stealth fighter’s technology to Beijing, it could also destabilize the security balance in the region.

    While Pakistan is focused on modernizing its air force with the Chinese-developed JF-17 Thunder, it is considering three possible options to acquire fifth-generation fighters. According to Islamabad’s chief of the air staff (CAS) Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman, who spoke to the Pakistani daily The News, the country has started negotiations with the United States to acquire the stealthy single-engine F-35.

    While the F-35 is often derided for its myriad technical glitches, schedule delays, massive cost overruns and astronomical price tag, the jet incorporates some of the most advanced military technology ever developed by the United States. The aircraft’s radar and electronic warfare systems are extremely capable—and the Pentagon is not willing to compromise those systems.

    Moreover, the nuclear-capable F-35 could potentially tip the balance of power on the Indian subcontinent. With its stealthy airframe, the F-35 could deliver a nuclear payload into to neighboring India with little to no warning—which could further destabilize an already tense relationship between the two powers. Indeed, the F-35/nuclear bomb combination has been criticized by arms control experts like Hans Kristensen, director of the Nuclear Information Project at the Federation of American Scientists. Moreover, the F-35 is not likely to be cleared for export to America’s allies in the Persian Gulf because of the Israeli security concerns.

    Realistically, Pakistan’s best bet at acquiring a fifth-generation stealth fighter is probably either the Chinese J-31 or the J-20. However, the Russian Sukhoi T-50 PAK-FA might also be a possibility is Moscow were willing to alienate its Indian allies. The Russians have been discussing a Su-35 sale to Islamabad, so it is not out of the question. But Pakistan’s chances of buying the F-35 are fairly close to nil.

    Dave Majumdar is the defense editor for the National Interest. You can follow him on Twitter: @davemajumdar.


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    Re: India's Worst Nightmare: Pakistani F-35 Stealth Fighters?

    I think the Chinese option seems to be the most probable route.

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    Re: India's Worst Nightmare: Pakistani F-35 Stealth Fighters?

    I don't believe we're interested in the F-35. It will never be available for many countries and Pakistan tops that list.
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    Re: India's Worst Nightmare: Pakistani F-35 Stealth Fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    I don't believe we're interested in the F-35. It will never be available for many countries and Pakistan toos that list.
    There is no need to add another weapon in south asia---India wont be buying 5th Gen fighter until 2025-2030.

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    Re: India's Worst Nightmare: Pakistani F-35 Stealth Fighters?

    A Pakistani team of engineers are already in China working on J-31. I believe the choice has already been made.
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    Re: India's Worst Nightmare: Pakistani F-35 Stealth Fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    A Pakistani team of engineers are already in China working on J-31. I believe the choice has already been made.
    Why did JF-17 run away from the Bahrain air show--JF-17 is 6 years into induction & It hs nothing to fear from a jet which is still 6 months far away from FOC

    http://www.pakistanaffairs.pk/thread...21-21-Jan-2016

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    Re: India's Worst Nightmare: Pakistani F-35 Stealth Fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Mohan Tiwari View Post
    Why did JF-17 run away from the Bahrain air show--JF-17 is 6 years into induction & It hs nothing to fear from a jet which is still 6 months far away from FOC

    http://www.pakistanaffairs.pk/thread...21-21-Jan-2016
    Fear? What on earth are you talking about? JF-17 has made international appearance in Paris, Dubai, Zuhai and Antaliya and it has already started to mature where as Tejaz is yet to get a FOC.
    I am unaware of cancellation and afaik the Jf-17 will be there.
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    Re: India's Worst Nightmare: Pakistani F-35 Stealth Fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Fear? What on earth are you talking about? JF-17 has made international appearance in Paris, Dubai, Zuhai and Antaliya and it has already started to mature where as Tejaz is yet to get a FOC.
    I am unaware of cancellation and afaik the Jf-17 will be there.
    Do you realize that first 50 aircrafts of JF-17 block 1 didn't have BVR capability.

    Block II was introduction of BVR where it have look down range of 50-60 KM. Block II radars still cant engage >60 KM target.

    India uses RD-33 in Mig29 air force versions. Jf-17's RD 93 engine is below par if compared to RD-33. Mig29K used by Indian navy have RD-33MK the best engine among RD series.

    Tejas Trainer MK1 uses GE404 which is comparable/superior to RD-33MK.
    RD 33MK,GE404 have digitally controlled FADEC which is not available in RD33 and RD93.

    By order of engine ranking:
    GE404IN(FADEC)>RD33MK(FADEC)>RD33>RD93

    On the other hand, Tejas MK1 radar is superior to JF-17 block II radar--So FOC for Trainer version is to fire >50 Km range Derby missiles which JF-17 took 6 yrs post induction to achieve in 2015

    Tejas trainer has better maneuverability that JF-17 block II---Tejas have better quality of engine, FBW flight controls--JF-17 have horizontal fail plane with conventional structure.
    Tejas with delta wing configuration which provides with larger angle of sweep for outer wing section!

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    Air Cdre Ahsan said that while Block 1 and 2 JF-17s will not differ significantly - with Block 1 JF-17's ECS likely to be upgraded when it suits the PAF, it will be a different story with the Block 3 series.
    "We are still developing the Block 3 configuration, but it will be a considerably different aircraft compared to the previous two blocks," he said. "A new AESA [active electronically scanned array] radar will be integrated, but this is still in the design stage; however, we are looking at both Western and Eastern options."
    Integrating an AESA with the SD-10A beyond-visual-range missile will provide the PAF and any other JF-17 operator with a long-range, all-aspect precision day and night engagement capability
    Note: Range of S-10 A is >=70 KM+
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    Re: India's Worst Nightmare: Pakistani F-35 Stealth Fighters?

    Yes tejaz is divine. But why are we discussing it here?
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    Re: India's Worst Nightmare: Pakistani F-35 Stealth Fighters?

    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Yes tejaz is divine. But why are we discussing it here?
    1 trick fukn pony. All subjects all topics end up with the same result.... a teja fukn product that we have never seen

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