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    India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    This contract will further consolidate the US position as India's second-biggest arms supplier,

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    On Monday in New Delhi, US and Indian officials signed two contracts for the purchase by the Indian Air Force (IAF) of 22 AH-64E Apache attack helicopters, and 15 CH-47F Chinook multi-mission heavy lift helicopters.

    Two of the contracts, which were signed in the afternoon between teams from Boeing headquarters in the US and Indian defence ministry officials, were for the “direct commercial sale” (DCS) part of the contracts. This includes the entire Chinook helicopter, and the flying portion of the Apache (less engines), as well as logistic support, spares and services.

    The purchase of the Apache weaponry and radar was signed separately as a “foreign military sale” (FMS) purchase by the Indian defence ministry, which signed a “letter of agreement” (LoA) to this effect with the Pentagon. The FMS portion of the sale includes munitions, training, aircraft certification, and components like engines, electro-optical sensors and the radar.

    “Contracts for purchase of 15 #Chinook and 22 #Apache Helicopters signed”, tweeted defence ministry spokesperson, Sitanshu Kar, late on Monday evening. He did not release further details.

    The value of the deal for both helicopters, including DCS and FMS portions of the sale, is approximately $3 billion.

    According to the contract signed, Boeing will start delivering the Chinook and Apache helicopters 36 months from today. The entire delivery is to be completed in 48 months from the signing of the contract.

    Both helicopters will be delivered in fly-away condition, i.e. fully-built and ready for operations. Since Boeing is committed to a 30 per cent offset liability, there may be some portions that are built in India.

    Already, Indian companies are involved in the building of the Chinook. Bangalore-based Dynamatics Technologies builds the aft pylon and cargo ramps for the Chinook’s global supply chain.

    Boeing sources say that additional Indian vendors are being scouted for building more components.

    This contract will further consolidate the US position as India’s second-biggest arms supplier, behind only Russia.

    The Apache AH-64E is the world’s most fearsome attack helicopters. It is armed with anti-tank missiles, rockets and a chain gun that fires 625 rounds per minute that can rip apart and armoured vehicles. The Apache has flown close to a million mission hours in conflicts from the First Gulf War in 1991 to Afghanistan and Iraq.

    Similarly, the Chinook, which first flew in the Vietnam War, but has continuously evolved in design, is one of the world’s most well-reputed heavy lift helicopters. It is capable of underslinging and lifting a light 155 millimetre howitzer to support troops in high altitudes of up to 15,000 feet.

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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Waste of money---India is paying billon $ for these expensive toys while Americans donate these free of cost to our western neighbor.

    Americans are treating us as fat cash cow.. Why not spend these funds on building HAL Medium Lift Helicopter.

    The LCH-TD-4 is much improved but the program is moving very slowly

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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by Mohan Tiwari View Post
    Waste of money---India is paying billon $ for these expensive toys while Americans donate these free of cost to our western neighbor.

    Americans are treating us as fat cash cow.. Why not spend these funds on building HAL Medium Lift Helicopter.
    Are you equating AH-64E with Viper gunships?

    India is just following the rationale scheme of mixing high end foreign machines and low end indigenous machines. Meanwhile keep working on closing the gap.
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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by PoKeMon View Post
    Are you equating AH-64E with Viper gunships?

    India is just following the rationale scheme of mixing high end foreign machines and low end indigenous machines. Meanwhile keep working on closing the gap.
    You forgot about the AH1 Z which is a fair analogy

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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by Mohan Tiwari View Post

    The LCH-TD-4 is much improved but the program is moving very slowly
    Is there any video of this thing flying? I could never find one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keysersoze View Post
    You forgot about the AH1 Z which is a fair analogy
    Just fair. But the avionics on Apache (AN/APG 78 Longbow radar etc) gives it clear edge on viper.

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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Apache and AH-1z are not too far off in performance..Minus the longbow radar.
    I made this infographic for our FB page but good comparison.

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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    Is there any video of this thing flying? I could never find one.

    A quick search gave me this



    LCH TD3
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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    Apache and AH-1z are not too far off in performance..Minus the longbow radar.
    I made this infographic for our FB page but good comparison.

    Longbow is going to operational on the Ah1z soon

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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by PoKeMon View Post
    A quick search gave me this



    LCH TD3

    Giving a leg up to the focus on indigenous defence production, India's Light Combat Helicopter (LCH) is now eyeing weapon-based trials with its fourth technology demonstrator, TD-4.
    "TD-4 has been planned to facilitate accelerated weapon flight trials. TD-4 is getting ready and would be available for weapon trials soon," HAL's CMD, T Suvarna Raju told Economictimes.com. According to him, the TD-4 has been built as the weight optimised prototype of the LCH, which would be "most suited" for weapon trials.
    http://economictimes.indiatimes.com/...campaign=cppst


    The body is very weak.. HAL needs to make a thicker armor on it

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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    The Americans must be thinking their Christmas has arrived.
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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Have to agree with Mohan on this one. America is treating India like cash cow not an ally

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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by sparkling View Post
    Have to agree with Mohan on this one. America is treating India like cash cow not an ally
    No they need a foothold in Asia. they know they are losing Pakistan. Plus having a cash cow is nice.
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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by keysersoze View Post
    No they need a foothold in Asia. they know they are losing Pakistan. Plus having a cash cow is nice.

    I dont't understand why is Indian govt appeasing americans with these over prices munitions.

    Americans are probably expected to help us get into MTCR club( denied to China).
    NSG entry is dependent on Chinese waiver.

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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by Mohan Tiwari View Post
    I dont't understand why is Indian govt appeasing americans with these over prices munitions.

    Americans are probably expected to help us get into MTCR club( denied to China).
    NSG entry is dependent on Chinese waiver.
    Well its because they thought they could get the best of both worlds. Unfortunately the world changed. With the Whole Russia versus the west for example.

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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Quote Originally Posted by keysersoze View Post
    No they need a foothold in Asia. they know they are losing Pakistan. Plus having a cash cow is nice.
    Bang on the money dear

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    Quote Originally Posted by keysersoze View Post
    No they need a foothold in Asia. they know they are losing Pakistan. Plus having a cash cow is nice.
    Americans contribute more than 5% to your federal budget yearly. They have donated 31-32 billion $ in last 14 years which is 15% of cumulative federal budget since 2001. On top of it, Americans have donated billions $ of free defence equipments to Pakistan. Pakistan economic growth in 2000's was in result of the amrican aid, your country received [MENTION=126]PoKeMon[/MENTION]


    Quote Originally Posted by keysersoze View Post
    Well its because they thought they could get the best of both worlds. Unfortunately the world changed. With the Whole Russia versus the west for example.

    Russians are reduced as second fiddle to China. Russians wont be able to return back to 2013 GDP in next 5-6 yrs.

    Russian Chin traded reduced by 60-70% in 12months. Russian China relation is only loss loss for Russia.
    Russia are trapped. Chinese will reverse engineer all Russian Engines and S400-500. India on the other side continues to be loyal customer of Russian weapons.

    Russia will sell Pakistan, Su35 if you can pay them hard cash.

    http://in.rbth.com/economics/coopera...t-india_443441
    would also like to respond to the idle talk and pure invention of the media by reiterating that Russia has not discussed and does not have any plans to sell Su-35 aircraft to Pakistan.
    World is bipolar now but it's China who is main opponent of US.
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    Re: India, US sign $3-bn contract for Apache, Chinook helicopters

    Make in India: Boeing in talks with Indian firms to manufacture parts of Apache helicopters
    http://www.deccanchronicle.com/15092...che-helicopter

    Defence Minister Manohar Parrikar had last week said that the contract, which will have a 30 per cent offset clause, will bring in business worth about USD one billion for the Indian Defence industry. He said at least 50 per cent of these would be direct export.
    1 billion $ worth equipment to be sourced from india

    1. Fuselage
    2. Apache parts(??) [MENTION=126]PoKeMon[/MENTION]
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