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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hariz View Post
    Both.................


    NATO(US) is already involved against ISIS,i dont know if we need help dealing with the PKK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    NATO(US) is already involved against ISIS,i dont know if we need help dealing with the PKK.
    Take all the help you can imo
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hariz View Post
    Take all the help you can imo
    Tbh,we dont trust the help from our NATO allies against PKK,so its better to do it ourselves.
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

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    Tbh,we dont trust the help from our NATO allies against PKK,so its better to do it ourselves.
    Surely under these circumstances they would not do anything to annoy Turkey
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Turkey calls Nato talks on IS and PKK

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33668230
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    Tbh,we dont trust the help from our NATO allies against PKK,so its better to do it ourselves.
    I don't understand bro. Why is their a limited trust here?
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Looks like confirmation of no ground troops into Syria.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33671436
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Felix View Post
    I don't understand bro. Why is their a limited trust here?
    Well,some NATO countries supported the PKK in the past and im sure some of them still do.

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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Superkaif View Post
    Looks like confirmation of no ground troops into Syria.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-33671436
    From your link,

    ''Mr Davutoglu said Turkey was prepared to work with the Syrian Kurdish PYD group - which has links to the PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) - provided it did not pose a threat to Turkey and severed relations with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.''

    See our PM,how are we supposed to trust this guy?
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    From your link,

    ''Mr Davutoglu said Turkey was prepared to work with the Syrian Kurdish PYD group - which has links to the PKK (Kurdistan Workers' Party) - provided it did not pose a threat to Turkey and severed relations with Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.''

    See our PM,how are we supposed to trust this guy?
    More over;

    "However, the raids against the PKK in northern Iraq effectively ended a two-year ceasefire."

    PKK killed 8 officers and wounded many..and raids begin. Ceasefire broken by PKK not Turkey....and they will pay the consequence for it.

    Western media is unbelievably biased against Turkey.
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    Mover over;

    "However, the raids against the PKK in northern Iraq effectively ended a two-year ceasefire."

    PKK killed 8 officers and wounded many..and raids begin. Ceasefire broken by PKK not Turkey....and they will pay the consequence for it.

    Western media is unbelievably biased against Turkey.
    I see it everyday. Turkey is literally talked about as if its guilty of conspiring and the fault is at Turkeys side. Its frustrating to decipher and disregard the propaganda. Its imperative we try to promote a "whats really happening" situation on here to counter balance the crap.
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Superkaif View Post
    I see it everyday. Turkey is literally talked about as if its guilty of conspiring and the fault is at Turkeys side. Its frustrating to decipher and disregard the propaganda. Its imperative we try to promote a "whats really happening" situation on here to counter balance the crap.
    French media is not better. Blatantly insinuating Turkey is in bed with ISIS. Well the last weeks response clearly shows this is not the case.
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Hariz View Post
    Surely under these circumstances they would not do anything to annoy Turkey
    You should check out the comment section of US based news sites, they are crying like babies that Turkey is killing their BFF Kurdies (PKK) . Some of them are even calling Turkey a terrorist nation.

    If the politicians are anything like the citizens I'm sure they will find a way to annoy Turkey.
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by XenoEnsi-14 View Post
    You should check out the comment section of US based news sites, they are crying like babies that Turkey is killing their BFF Kurdies (PKK) . Some of them are even calling Turkey a terrorist nation.

    If the politicians are anything like the citizens I'm sure they will find a way to annoy Turkey.
    that's why i never read comments in western news sites. after reading several comments, i end up cursing left and right. those comment sections are full of ignorant people unaware of regional realities and history, who are spoon-fed anti-turkey news both in tv and social media.
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    More information about the 5th Wave operation has revealed.

    This morning, 4 F-16s from Diyarbakır airbase conducted the mission inside Turkey. Terrorist elements in Hakkari and Şırnak mountains has been targeted.

    http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/29656942.asp
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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Superkaif View Post
    I see it everyday. Turkey is literally talked about as if its guilty of conspiring and the fault is at Turkeys side. Its frustrating to decipher and disregard the propaganda. Its imperative we try to promote a "whats really happening" situation on here to counter balance the crap.
    Jews run most of the media outlets like SKY. Turkey is portrayed as the dark knight and never given the benefit of the doubt. I always take what they report with a pinch of salt.

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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by XenoEnsi-14 View Post
    You should check out the comment section of US based news sites, they are crying like babies that Turkey is killing their BFF Kurdies (PKK) . Some of them are even calling Turkey a terrorist nation.

    If the politicians are anything like the citizens I'm sure they will find a way to annoy Turkey.
    Take it on the chin mate. At least we are not blinded by it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    Jews run most of the media outlets like SKY. Turkey is portrayed as the dark knight and never given the benefit of the doubt. I always take what they report with a pinch of salt.
    Who cares what they say

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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Obama’s Faustian deal with Turkey’s Erdogan

    On the face of it, the Turkish air strikes in Syria that began last week against the Islamic State [IS] would appear to be a shift in the stance on Ankara’s part towards the terrorist group. The Turkish military has codenamed the operation as “Yalcin Nane,” after a Turkish non-commissioned officer who got killed in a cross-border fight with the IS last Thursday (which in turn followed a suspected suicide bombing by the IS in a Turkish border town on Monday killing 32 people.)

    Quite obviously, Ankara finds it expedient to project “Yalcin Nane” as a tough response to the alleged IS attacks on Turkey. Cynics may argue that the image of a “toughie” may even advance President Recep Erdogan’s game plan to ride a wave of nationalism and seek a snap poll to improve upon the lackluster results of the last election in early June, which had denied his Justice & Democratic Party a simply majority in the parliament.

    However, the big question remains: Has Turkish policy on Syria fundamentally changed? Has Erdogan jettisoned its clandestine support for the extremist Islamist groups and decided, finally, to go for the IS’ jugular veins?

    The point is, doublespeak is second nature to Turkish diplomacy and it is difficult to believe that Ankara is snapping its links with the IS. The Guardian newspaper carried an exclusive report in the weekend to the effect that Erdogan may merely be wrestling with a new posture.

    According to the Guardian, Washington may have actually blackmailed Erdogan and forced him against his will to move against the IS. It appears that Washington is in possession of highly damaging evidence, including “hundreds of flash drives and documents”, which expose the “undeclared alliance” between Ankara and the IS, establishing that “direct dealings between Turkish officials and ranking ISIS members” is “undeniable”.

    The Guardian quoted a European official as saying, “This isn’t an overhaul of their [Turkish] thinking. It’s more a reaction to what they’ve been confronted with by the Americans and others.”

    What lends credence to the Guardian report is that Erdogan for some inexplicable reason has suddenly had a change of heart and decided to accede to the American request to allow US army warplanes to launch attacks against the IS in Syria from the Incirlik air base in eastern Turkey.

    Clearly, Erdogan climbed down after refusing access to Incirlik for the past year. But what is even more interesting is that President Barack Obama too has made a u-turn and in a policy reversal has agreed to Erdogan’s longstanding demand for imposing a limited “no-fly zone” in northern Syria near the Turkish border, which the Americans had rejected until now.

    The proposed “no-fly zone” in Syria is relatively small in comparison with a similar zone imposed in northern Iraq after the Gulf War in 1991 – just about 100 kms long and between 30-50 kms deep. But then, a precedence has been established, committing the US and Turkish air forces to act jointly in Syrian territory with neither country having secured a UN mandate to do so. Indeed, neither the US nor Turkey has cared to take the approval of the internationally recognized government in Damascus.

    Evidently, the “no-fly zone” imposes restrictions on the Syrian government’s war planes. But the Turkish objective is primarily that no independent Kurdish entity takes shape in northern Syria.

    Plainly put, the 4-way Fustian deal between Obama and Erdogan works like this:

    Erdogan ensures that Obama does not expose his covert links with the IS and buys the latter’s silence by allowing US war planes to operate out of the Incirlik base;
    As quid pro quo, Obama accommodates Erdogan’s insistence on creating a “no-fly zone” in northern Syria as the first step toward creating an operational base within Syrian territory straddling the Turkish border, which can be used by rebel elements (supported by Turkey, Saudi Arabia and Qatar) to push the agenda to overthrow the regime headed by President Bashar al-Assad;
    Neither Erdogan nor Obama cares two hoots that their “no-fly zone” inside Syria is being established under a UN Security Council mandate.
    Erdogan gets a free hand to crush the Kurdish rebels while reciprocating by facilitating the US war planes to freely operate inside Iraq and Syria.
    Prima facie, it’s a “win-win” formula. Obama will draw comfort that the US is not committing itself any further significantly toward backing the Turkish-Saudi-Qatari enterprise in Syria, but nonetheless is placating Ankara and Riyadh in the downstream of the Iran nuclear deal.

    From the Turkish viewpoint, the American involvement with the “no-fly zone” means that it won’t be mounting a unilateral incursion into Syria, something which it wants to avoid.

    On the other hand, Ankara is also pinning down the Americans, since the use of Incirlik base is extremely important for the US military – if the US aircraft had to traverse 1000 miles to target IS in Syria previously, it will be much less now from Incirlik, which is located just across the border from Syria — making Obama’s air campaign against the IS far more intense and, hopefully, more effective as well.

    In Erdogan’s complicated mind, a thought might also have occurred that following the Iran nuclear deal, if Washington and Tehran begin working together in the fight against the IS, that would lessen Turkey’s strategic importance to the West. In sum, Erdogan decided that it made sense for Turkey to open up the southern air bases to the US aircraft, presenting itself as a frontline state in Obama’s fight against the IS.

    Ironically, what is unfolding is not very different from what Erdogan’s Pakistani friends once did by offering their country as a “frontline state” for the US’ war on terror in lieu of American aid. Of course, Pakistan never looked back and extracted billions of dollars worth American aid – that is, until the blowback began and transformed the country as a battleground for terrorists. Time will show whether Erdogan’s Faustian deal with Obama would have any different outcome.

    On the other hand, what emerges out of this Faustian deal as the balance sheet for Obama also remains uncertain. No doubt, Turkey’s second front against Kurds can not only complicate Obama’s war in Iraq but also signals an end to Erdogan’s peace process and dialogue with the Kurds and the two-year old ceasefire. Is that a good thing to happen for the US’ regional strategies if one of its key NATO allies gets trapped in a quagmire?

    Interestingly, the only party to applaud the Turkish air strikes inside Syria is the discredited Syrian opposition alliance, which is of course backed by Ankara.

    The White House has stuck to its standard mantra whenever the Turkish military undertook punitive missions against Kurdish separatists — namely, Ankara has a right to defend itself. What else can Obama say under the circumstances? Paradoxically, the Kurdish militia also happen to be the US’ allies in Obama’s fight against the IS.


    By M K Bhadrakumar – July 26, 2015

    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakuma...rediffmailcom/

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    Re: Turkish Foreign Internal Defense/Counter-terrorism Operations | News&Discussions

    Quote Originally Posted by Wattan View Post
    Obama’s Faustian deal with Turkey’s Erdogan


    By M K Bhadrakumar – July 26, 2015

    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakuma...rediffmailcom/
    Sometimes the former Indian Ambassador talks rubbish imo
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