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    ISIS retreats from Turkish border, deeper into Syria’s Jarablous district

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    ISIS retreats from Turkish border, deeper into Syria’s Jarablous district
    Suffering from the recent successful operations conducted by the Turkish Armed Forces and Coalition aircrafts, the self-proclaimed Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham (ISIS) has retreated back from Turkish borderinto inner regions of Syria's Jarablous district.

    After the attack in southern province of Kilis which killed an armyofficer and wounded two soldiers, Turkey launched first sets of operations against ISIS.

    After successful airstrikes, ISIS militants started to retreat their lines of position near the Turkish-Syrian border after being hit and suffering major losses. As the bombing continued, the militants of the terrorist group stopped digging trenches and abandoned their check points along the borderline.

    ISIS militants retreated back into Syria, towards Jarablous as armored vehicles of the Turkish Armed Forces crossed through the trenched area and came to the zero point of the border.
    Also a few buildings occupied/held by ISIS including the customs building were seen to explode near the border.

    Residents of southern Karkamış district stated that about a month ago they had witnessed ISIS militants placing bombs in the buildings and that some of the militants still kept watch in the area around the buildings.

    The first wave of operations against ISIS was conducted on early Friday as a retaliatory attack for the attack that killed a Turkish officer in Kilis, while troop concentration of the militants of ISIS near Turkish border was also crippled.

    Three targets, located in Syrian territory, were 10 to 15 kilometers away from Turkish border, and were being used as headquarters and rallying zone.

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    Turkey continues to hit ISIL in Syria, strikes PKK militants in north Iraq

    The Turkish military on July 25 carried out fresh airstrikes and shelling against targets controlled by Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIL) jihadists in Syria and embarked on a new air campaign to bombard camps of the outlawed Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK) militants in northern Iraq.

    "We have approved the third wave of airstrikes in Syria [against ISIL] and the second wave in Iraq [against PKK]," Turkish Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu said in a press conference in Ankara on July 25. Both operations were completed later in the day, according to Turkish media.

    "These operations are not 'one-point operations' and will continue as long as there is a threat against Turkey," Davutoğlu said, before heading to Istanbul, where he was due to meet with President Tayyip Erdoğan and the head of the army later in the day.

    The two-pronged operation against ISIL and the PKK -- two groups who are themselves bitterly opposed -- came after a week of deadly violence in Turkey the authorities blamed on the organisations.

    The Turkish F-16 jets all returned safely to their base in the southeastern city of Diyarbakır early July 25 after the latest raids, the official Anatolia news agency reported.

    Private broadcaster NTV reported that five war planes took off from Diyarbakır later in the day, after Turkish artillery in the Kilis province launched a fresh bombing campaign targeting the ISIL positions in northern Syria on July 25.

    The raids against ISIL, which had begun before dawn July 24, marked a major shift in policy towards the group by key NATO member Turkey, which has faced severe criticism from its Western allies for not doing enough to combat the jihadists.

    But on this occasion planes also bombed positions of the PKK in neighbouring Iraq, where the outlawed group’s military forces are based.

    "Strikes were carried out on targets of the Daesh (ISIL) terror group in Syria and the PKK terror group in northern Iraq," the office of Davutoğlu said in a statement.

    It said shelters and warehouses containing PKK weapons were hit in the northern Iraq operation, listing seven locations where the strikes had been carried out including Mount Kandil, where the PKK’s military leadership is based.

    In addition to the air raids, Turkish ground forces also carried out artillery strikes against ISIL in Syria and the PKK in northern Iraq, the statement said, adding that NATO and the United Nations have been kept informed of the operations.

    PKK blames President Erdoğan

    "At around 11:00 pm (2000 GMT) tonight, Turkish warplanes started bombing our positions near the border, accompanied by heavy artillery shelling," PKK spokesman in Iraq Bakhtiar Dogan confirmed to AFP.

    "We are still committed to the directives of our leader (Abdullah) Öcalan... but it seems Erdoğan wants to drag us back into war," Dogan said. "When things reach this level and when all of our areas are bombed, I think by then the ceasefire has no meaning anymore."

    The Turkish air strikes against the PKK targets in northern Iraq raised questions about the future of the delicate peace process between Turkey and Kurdish rebels, who until now have largely observed a ceasefire since 2013.

    The PKK has for decades waged a deadly insurgency in the southeast of Turkey for self-rule that has claimed tens of thousands of lives.

    The violence in Turkey erupted after the killing of 32 people in a suicide bombing Monday in the Turkish town of Suruç on the Syrian border carried out by a 20-year old Turkish man linked to ISIL.

    That attack sparked an upsurge in violence in Turkey’s Kurdish-dominated southeast, where many accuse Turkish authorities of collaborating with ISIL.

    The PKK then outraged the government by claiming the shooting dead of two Turkish police at home while they slept.

    Turkish security forces July 25 launched new raids to arrest suspected ISIL and PKK members in Istanbul and other cities, adding to hundreds of detentions already made the day earlier.

    A total of 320 people have so far been arrested in 22 provinces across Turkey, Davutoğlu’s office said.

    Tensions run high across Turkey

    As well as ISIL and the PKK, the arrest operations also targeted suspected members of the PKK’s youth wing, The Patriotic Revolutionary Youth Movement (YDG-H), and the Marxist Revolutionary People’s Liberation Party Front (DHKP-C).

    With tensions running high across the country, Turkish police used tear gas and rubber bullets to disperse a protest in the Istanbul district of Kadıköy by hundreds of people to denounce ISIL violence.



    Turkish riot police use rubber bullets to disperse protesters as protestors fire fireworks at Kadıköy district in Istanbul on July 21, 2015. AFP PHOTO /OZAN KOSE

    In the anti-establishment district of Gazi, protesters threw Molotov cocktails and engaged in pitched battles with police, an AFP photographer said.

    Protesters in Gazi also defiantly carried the coffin of Günay Özarslan, a suspected would-be suicide bomber for the DHKP-C who was killed in clashes with police on July 24 during a raid on leftist militants.

    Thousands are expected to respond to a call from Turkey’s main pro-Kurdish party and turn out for a "march for peace" on July 26 in Istanbul which is set to be monitored by a heavy security presence.

    Green light for key air base

    Turkey has been accused of colluding with ISIL extremists in the hope they might further Ankara’s aim of toppling Syrian President Bashar al-Assad.

    Ankara has always vehemently denied the claims but the NATO member has dodged playing a full role in the US-led coalition assisting Kurds fighting ISIL militants.

    Now, however, Ankara has finally given the green light to US forces for the use of its Incirlik base for air strikes against ISIL in Syria and Iraq, according to American and Turkish officials.

    "A decision has been taken for Turkey’s own security," Davutoğlu added, declining to give details on the agreement.

    Doğan News Agency said three war planes had taken off from İncirlik to strike targets inside Syria as part of the raids overnight July 24.

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    Allah Allah..!!! I'm so hyped, i was very sad for Turkish soldiers being passive. Tear the terrorists apart my lions.

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    Good to see Turks being so assertive against these murdering terrorists that needed sending to hell

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    More information about the 3rd Wave operation has revealed.

    Turkish army hit both ISIS positions in Syria and PKK positions in Iraq, simultaneously with T-155 SPAs. Additionally, 50 F-16s from Diyarbakır, İncirlik, Batman airbases and 25 F4-2020 Terminators from Malatya airbase, destroyed 400 PKK positions.

    http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/29644345.asp
    [MENTION=3902]Neptune[/MENTION] what do you say... if the situation continues as it is, maybe we can see a ground operation against PKK in northern Iraq, like the old days ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    More information about the 3rd Wave operation has revealed.

    Turkish army hit both ISIS positions in Syria and PKK positions in Iraq, simultaneously with T-555 SPAs. Additionally, 50 F-16s from Diyarbakır, İncirlik, Batman airbases and 25 F4-2020 Terminators from Malatya airbase, destroyed 400 PKK positions.

    http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/29644345.asp
    [MENTION=3902]Neptune[/MENTION] what do you say... if the situation continues as it is, maybe we can see a ground operation against PKK in northern Iraq, like the old days ?
    I'd love to, we all would. On one hand, there's a completely messed up Northern Iraq, Syria that's like a swamp. On the other hand, there's a serious risk of retaliation against Turkey by ISIS and PKK, not only to service members but also civilian population. Remember Kumrular Bombing here in Ankara. So its so complicated for us to figure out the future of military operations at boots-on-the-ground wise IMO. It has been proven many times in the history of war and written at Gen. Başbuğ's book on terror; land operations is a must in COIN. But in a possible land incursion;

    1- It'll effect the mobility and effectiveness of coalition airstrikes at the incursion force's area of operations which means naturally, we have to allocate our own AF in that area resulting heavy logistic needs and planning. Can we do it? Of course we did it many times. But this time most passage ways will be under strict control of PYD/ISIS. US would welcome those aimed at ISIS since they've been looking for a hero that puts his boots there, but also oppose any and all ops against PYD/PKK units fighting ISIS.

    2- Looking at status of forces of ISIS and PKK in our south, it'll require a huge number of personnel, which basically means higher number of expected casualties in which I doubt any government will opt for it especially if they are onto a pre-election.

    3- There's a vast number of military personnel stationed in the region, so it also wouldn't be a surprise if we see "Operation Sun II" on the news.

    4- But also IMO, if the State wants to hit PKK hard, its the right time now since they allocated most of their resources and some men to PYD to fight ISIS.

    5- We today live in a world where people in West and the US started to support a free Kurdistan, so even if the op equally aims at both, I believe it will have diplomatic consequences in a situation where we urgently need support from West. But it's also another question whether will West risk that when we just made the job easy for them (access to air bases, strikes...etc)

    6- More PKK we kill, the more men PYD will transfer to PKK. As for ISIS I think we will try to repel them as far as we can away from our borders.

    But I think one thing we should never forget is since 1923, no matter who ruled us whether good or bad; if the sh.it really hits the fan somehow the state always did unpredictable acts to protect our national security.

    So at this point I believe we will see a land operation obviously but chances are low for cross-border incursion at present, but not impossible. But instead we can see a restart for internal security operations inside Turkish soils and reevaluation to redeploy the National Police SOF back into the mountains.

    Speaking of Ankara, its hot as hell even at 03.25 A.M
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    More information about the 3rd Wave operation has revealed.

    Turkish army hit both ISIS positions in Syria and PKK positions in Iraq, simultaneously with T-555 SPAs. Additionally, 50 F-16s from Diyarbakır, İncirlik, Batman airbases and 25 F4-2020 Terminators from Malatya airbase, destroyed 400 PKK positions.

    http://www.hurriyet.com.tr/gundem/29644345.asp
    [MENTION=3902]Neptune[/MENTION] what do you say... if the situation continues as it is, maybe we can see a ground operation against PKK in northern Iraq, like the old days ?
    Why not pound and completely bombard the region with the air power THEN go in bro? Reduce any chance of pocket resistance. Turkey has complete air power that's for sure?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neptune View Post
    I'd love to, we all would. On one hand, there's a completely messed up Northern Iraq, Syria that's like a swamp. On the other hand, there's a serious risk of retaliation against Turkey by ISIS and PKK, not only to service members but also civilian population. Remember Kumrular Bombing here in Ankara. So its so complicated for us to figure out the future of military operations at boots-on-the-ground wise IMO. It has been proven many times in the history of war and written at Gen. Başbuğ's book on terror; land operations is a must in COIN. But in a possible land incursion;

    1- It'll effect the mobility and effectiveness of coalition airstrikes at the incursion force's area of operations which means naturally, we have to allocate our own AF in that area resulting heavy logistic needs and planning. Can we do it? Of course we did it many times. But this time most passage ways will be under strict control of PYD/ISIS. US would welcome those aimed at ISIS since they've been looking for a hero that puts his boots there, but also oppose any and all ops against PYD/PKK units fighting ISIS.

    2- Looking at status of forces of ISIS and PKK in our south, it'll require a huge number of personnel, which basically means higher number of expected casualties in which I doubt any government will opt for it especially if they are onto a pre-election.

    3- There's a vast number of military personnel stationed in the region, so it also wouldn't be a surprise if we see "Operation Sun II" on the news.

    4- But also IMO, if the State wants to hit PKK hard, its the right time now since they allocated most of their resources and some men to PYD to fight ISIS.

    5- We today live in a world where people in West and the US started to support a free Kurdistan, so even if the op equally aims at both, I believe it will have diplomatic consequences in a situation where we urgently need support from West. But it's also another question whether will West risk that when we just made the job easy for them (access to air bases, strikes...etc)

    6- More PKK we kill, the more men PYD will transfer to PKK. As for ISIS I think we will try to repel them as far as we can away from our borders.

    But I think one thing we should never forget is since 1923, no matter who ruled us whether good or bad; if the sh.it really hits the fan somehow the state always did unpredictable acts to protect our national security.

    So at this point I believe we will see a land operation obviously but chances are low for cross-border incursion at present, but not impossible. But instead we can see a restart for internal security operations inside Turkish soils and reevaluation to redeploy the National Police SOF back into the mountains.

    Speaking of Ankara, its hot as hell even at 03.25 A.M
    Yeap....like you say. But i don't want a ground incursion against ISIS, it's a bottomless pit and PKK are the ones who are causing trouble in Turkey.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjad Hussain View Post
    Why not pound and completely bombard the region with the air power THEN go in bro? Reduce any chance of pocket resistance. Turkey has complete air power that's for sure?
    Region is heavily mountainous. After these airwaves, they will go into their caves, will be safe from Aerial bombardments. Only way to slay them is to do cross-border operations. Even that will be not enough....we need to invade there and establish a military presence......It's hard but not impossible i think.
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    Yeap....like you say. But i don't want a ground incursion against ISIS, it's a bottomless pit and PKK are the ones who are causing trouble in Turkey.
    Yeah. But also if they carry on attacks like this of today in Diyarbakir there'd be no option left but ground incursion, so I think day by day that possibility will increase.

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    Two Turkish soldiers were killed and four wounded in a car bomb attack on their convoy in the mainly Kurdish southeast of the country, the local governor's office said Sunday.

    The attack came after the Kurdistan Workers Party (PKK) rebel group threatened to no longer observe a truce, following Turkish air strikes on its positions in northern Iraq.

    The car bomb went off as the soldiers were travelling on a road in the Lice district of the Diyarbakir province late Saturday, the statement from the Diyarbakir governor's office said.

    "Two of our personnel were killed in the heinous attack, four were wounded," said the statement, adding that large-scale operations have been launched to find the perpetrators.

    The PKK had on Saturday said that the conditions were no longer in place to observe a fragile ceasefire that has largely held since 2013, following the heaviest Turkish air strikes on its positions in northern Iraq since 2011.

    The PKK has for decades waged a deadly insurgency in the southeast of Turkey for self-rule that has claimed tens of thousands of lives. A peace process that began in 2013 has so far failed to yield a final deal.

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    May the 2 soldiers RIP.
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    RIP to the soldiers. allah rahmet eylesin ve yakınlarına sabır versin.

    without area dominance (alan hakimiyeti), incursion into n.iraq won't do any good. while you try to destroy pkk presence in n.iraq, they'll hit you within turkey if you don't establish some kind of authority in your own rural areas. i'm not even speaking about pkk's urban structure. under the guise of "peace process" akp allowed pkk to entrench/fortify/install itself in our cities. additionally, bombing pkk positions is futile after the first hours. they're not stupid and already retreated to their underground bunkers.
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    RIP to the soldiers

    Please excuse me if I say something silly I am learning more about Turkey and the region but what I don't understand is that some Kurds are causing problems for Turkey. Some are causing problems for Iraq Syria and Iran. why doesn't Turkey join hands with Iran and crush them once and for all instead of allying with Saudis who are encouraging a Kurd state that would take space from surrounding countries
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    Turkey Calls For NATO Meeting Over Syria Crisis

    Turkey has called for an extraordinary meeting of NATO to discuss the escalating violence caused by the crisis in Syria.

    The meeting, which will be held in Brussels on Tuesday, was invoked under Article 4 of the NATO treaty.

    This allows any of the organisation's 28 members to request assistance when they consider "their territorial integrity, political independence or security is threatened".

    A statement from NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said: "Turkey requested the meeting in view of the seriousness of the situation after the heinous terrorist attacks in recent days, and also to inform Allies of the measures it is taking.

    "NATO Allies follow developments very closely and stand in solidarity with Turkey."
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    Turkey Calls For NATO Meeting Over Syria Crisis

    Turkey has called for an extraordinary meeting of NATO to discuss the escalating violence caused by the crisis in Syria.

    The meeting, which will be held in Brussels on Tuesday, was invoked under Article 4 of the NATO treaty.

    This allows any of the organisation's 28 members to request assistance when they consider "their territorial integrity, political independence or security is threatened".

    A statement from NATO Secretary General Jens Stoltenberg said: "Turkey requested the meeting in view of the seriousness of the situation after the heinous terrorist attacks in recent days, and also to inform Allies of the measures it is taking.

    "NATO Allies follow developments very closely and stand in solidarity with Turkey."
    Are they not obliged to assist Turkey under the treaty?
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    Quote Originally Posted by sparkling View Post
    Are they not obliged to assist Turkey under the treaty?
    I'm not quiete sure about how this mechanisms work. But i think if Turkey invokes Article 5, they are obliged to do so.

    Article 5
    The key section of the treaty is Article 5. Its commitment clause defines the casus foederis. It commits each member state to consider an armed attack against one member state to be an armed attack against them all.

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    4th wave strikes begin in Northern Iraq against PKK camps.
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    RIP to the soldiers

    Please excuse me if I say something silly I am learning more about Turkey and the region but what I don't understand is that some Kurds are causing problems for Turkey. Some are causing problems for Iraq Syria and Iran. why doesn't Turkey join hands with Iran and crush them once and for all instead of allying with Saudis who are encouraging a Kurd state that would take space from surrounding countries
    Ever heard of Iran acting against Kurds lately?
    Iran has a pact the Iraqi government and with Assad who has a pact with the PYD/YPG(PKK Kurds),so they are all connected.
    The Saudis,Qataris together with the rest of the GCC and Jordan have a pact with the FSA and Turkiye.
    As you can see there are two camps.
    I know it all sounds strange but it is what it is.
    Iran is good with the KRG(Kurdish government in Norther Iraq) but so is Turkiye(we sell their oil and sell Turkish products to them,build their infrastructure) and is Israel.
    Israel is connected to the Arabs and to the Kurds,they will have to decide what weighs more.
    Bro to be honest,we dont trust the Mullah regime in Iran.
    They have alter motives and we know them.
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    Are they not obliged to assist Turkey under the treaty?
    They are only obliged to assist when we are under attack.
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    They are only obliged to assist when we are under attack.
    But I think on this occasion it was terrorists who attacked first so NATO should assist?
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    But I think on this occasion it was terrorists who attacked first so NATO should assist?
    Which one do you mean,the ISIS or the PKK?
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    Which one do you mean,the ISIS or the PKK?
    Both.................

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    Ever heard of Iran acting against Kurds lately?
    Iran has a pact the Iraqi government and with Assad who has a pact with the PYD/YPG(PKK Kurds),so they are all connected.
    The Saudis,Qataris together with the rest of the GCC and Jordan have a pact with the FSA and Turkiye.
    As you can see there are two camps.
    I know it all sounds strange but it is what it is.
    Iran is good with the KRG(Kurdish government in Norther Iraq) but so is Turkiye(we sell their oil and sell Turkish products to them,build their infrastructure) and is Israel.
    Israel is connected to the Arabs and to the Kurds,they will have to decide what weighs more.
    Bro to be honest,we dont trust the Mullah regime in Iran.
    They have alter motives and we know them.
    Its a shame that Iran and Turkey dont cooperate more on this
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