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    Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    Turkey is stepping up its role in the fight against Islamic State (ISIS) extremists after realizing the threats to its own security from jihadists and responding to pressure from its Western partners, analysts say.

    Turkish security forces have over the last week arrested dozens of ISIS terrorists and sympathizers, in its most significant raids since the group began to seize swathes of neighboring Iraq and Syria in 2014.

    Turkey has faced bitter accusations it was not doing enough to halt the rise of ISIS and even secretly colluding with the group - allegations Ankara vehemently denies, but which were strengthened by video showing how Turkish intelligence bungled an arms shipment to Syrian jihadists.

    But analysts say the Turkish authorities have now clearly understood the domestic threat posed by ISIS, which rules its territory under strict Islamic law exceptional for its brutality.

    Ankara will also get nowhere in trying to prevent the Kurds, who have been battling ISIS in northern Syria, from establishing their own autonomous region there unless it supports the Western coalition against the jihadists. The US has likewise said it won't support an autonomous region for the Kurds.

    Turkey sees the main Syrian Kurdish political group the Democratic Union Party (PYD) and its military wing, the People's Protection Units (YPG), as offshoots of the Kurdistan Workers' Party (PKK), which has fought a decades-long insurgency in its southeast.

    "Turkey has realized that it would not receive any support from its allies...to prevent the creation of an autonomous Kurdish area on its border if it failed to respond to their harsh criticism on the fight against ISIS," said Sinan Ulgen, chairman of the Istanbul-based think-tank EDAM.

    Ankara in the past used ISIS as a tool to achieve its goals in the region, from battling the regime of President Bashar al-Assad in Syria to containing Kurdish influence, the former Turkish diplomat told AFP.

    But Turks now see that "they are in the frontline, risking retaliation from the jihadists themselves," said Ulgen, adding: "They still cannot control their borders and fear ISIS members may slip through its soil among refugees."

    "Upgraded the threat"

    Turkish authorities have always pointed to the challenge of controlling a 911 kilometer (566 mile) border with Syria while remaining open to the refugees fleeing the fighting, as well as 38 million tourists a year.

    But its failure to halt many ISIS recruits traveling to Syria through Turkish soil - including Hayat Boumeddiene, the partner of one of the gunmen in January Paris shootings - has piled pressure on Ankara.

    In recent weeks, Turkey launched a series of raids against ISIS suspects in cities across the country, from Izmir on the Aegean to Gaziantep close to the Syrian border.

    A Turkish official told AFP the raids targeted the group's sleeper cells and networks inside the country.

    Last Friday, police arrested 29 suspected ISIS members in Istanbul and other cities for "directing citizens of European countries seeking to join Daesh operations to Syria and Iraq," said the official, using another name for ISIS.

    The raids came just after a senior US delegation visited Turkey, NATO's only majority Muslim member, to demand more cooperation from Ankara in its campaign against ISIS.

    "It's now obvious that the Turkish government has upgraded the threat posed by ISIS to among the top ones it is facing, roughly at the same level as the PYD/YPG one," a senior Western diplomat told AFP.

    "It's a reassessment we've been expecting for a long time."

    But the Turkish official denied any policy change, saying that Ankara "has successfully curbed the influx of foreign terrorist fighters into the region" as a result of army measures to secure the border and by sharing more intelligence with allies.

    Turkey has deported more than 1,500 ISIS suspects and banned nearly 15,000 individuals from 98 countries from entering the country, according to the official, who added that Ankara had categorized ISIS as a terrorist group since October 2013.

    "Too little, too late"

    Some sources, however, cast doubt over the significance of the latest steps.

    Turkey has still not given the United States the green light to use the Incirlik air base in the south of the country as a launchpad for bombings against ISIS targets.

    "This is not a fundamental policy shift, it is mainly circumstantial," another Western source familiar with the matter told AFP.

    The source argued the raids "targeted only very low-profile ISIS members" and came at a time when "the US is putting a lot of pressure" on Turkey to cooperate more.

    Max Abrahms, professor of political science at Northeastern University and a member at the US Council on Foreign Relations think-tank, said Turkey's latest steps were "welcome" but also "way too little, way too late."

    "From the US perspective, Turkey has been a massive disappointment in helping to combat Islamic State," he said in emailed comments.

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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    No ISIS and no Kurdish state on Syrian territory,that is our objective.
    If its to little to late,we will see in the coming months.
    We have more urgent worries,the PKK took arms again which makes combatting it the first priority.
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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    No ISIS and no Kurdish state on Syrian territory,that is our objective.
    If its to little to late,we will see in the coming months.
    We have more urgent worries,the PKK took arms again which makes combatting it the first priority.
    No kurd state you will get a good ally in Iran for that
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameel View Post
    No kurd state you will get a good ally in Iran for that
    It all depends on whats going to happen in Syria and Iraq after ISIS.

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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    No ISIS and no Kurdish state on Syrian territory,that is our objective.
    If its to little to late,we will see in the coming months.
    We have more urgent worries,the PKK took arms again which makes combatting it the first priority.
    Turkey are in a very sensitive situation. They are hoarding millions of Syrians which must have a strain on the economy. They are being accused by the west as being responsible for being the "supply corridor" for ISIS and to top it off having to keep a close eye on the Kurdish situation who have been getting the sympathy vote. The next 3 months Turkeys stance is going to be a crucial one.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope View Post
    Turkey are in a very sensitive situation. They are hoarding millions of Syrians which must have a strain on the economy. They are being accused by the west as being responsible for being the "supply corridor" for ISIS and to top it off having to keep a close eye on the Kurdish situation who have been getting the sympathy vote. The next 3 months Turkeys stance is going to be a crucial one.

    Does this situation remind of any other in the recent past??? This is a political problem, Mr. Erdogan needs to think clearly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muse View Post
    Does this situation remind of any other in the recent past??? This is a political problem, Mr. Erdogan needs to think clearly.
    He needs to increase his personal aura and appeal to the masses as he is in danger of having to rely upon coalition.
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    He needs to increase his personal aura and appeal to the masses as he is in danger of having to rely upon coalition.
    And what is to be the substance of this "appeal to the masses"? Mr. Erdogan and some who share his ideology are the ones who have prevented the Turkish state from acting against Jihadis and allowing Turkiye to become a transit venue to Syria --- He is now supposed to do a U turn? most unlikely, Turkiye can crush ISIL in a week, but guess who is buying the oil ISIL is selling, Whose trucks are transporting that oil - Project Bashar is a work in progress, my guess is that Russia, Iran and to a lesser extent, China are decided that project Bashar needs to end as does the Saudi US project in Yemen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameel View Post
    No kurd state you will get a good ally in Iran for that
    Thats true......
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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstar View Post
    but which were strengthened by video showing how Turkish intelligence bungled an arms shipment to Syrian jihadists.
    Government said those shipments were for "Bayırbucak Turkmens" in Syria.
    Personally i think those were for FSA which are working closely with Turkey.

    I don't know, based on which proof, certain people are accusing those shipments were intend for Jihadist groups....
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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    I don't know, based on which proof, certain people are accusing those shipments were intend for Jihadist groups....
    People believe what they want to believe mate nothing can change this all they have to see some trucks with military equipments in...
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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    Its a ******* shame we have to pretend to fight ISIS in order to fight PYD if only Tayyip Erdoğan had some backbone to defy White House.They are coming from other side of the world giving air support and arms delivery to PYD and we are simply watching instead we could be the ones giving air support and arms delivery to ISIS againts PYD.We don't need 5. generation warplane or bunch of frigates what we need it strong political will to defy White House.
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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by revojam View Post
    Its a ******* shame we have to pretend to fight ISIS in order to fight PYD if only Tayyip Erdoğan had some backbone to defy White House.They are coming from other side of the world giving air support and arms delivery to PYD and we are simply watching instead we could be the ones giving air support and arms delivery to ISIS againts PYD.We don't need 5. generation warplane or bunch of frigates what we need it strong political will to defy White House.
    The Turkish army would need literally days to wipe the area clean. I understand your frustration
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    Quote Originally Posted by Muse View Post
    And what is to be the substance of this "appeal to the masses"? Mr. Erdogan and some who share his ideology are the ones who have prevented the Turkish state from acting against Jihadis and allowing Turkiye to become a transit venue to Syria --- He is now supposed to do a U turn? most unlikely, Turkiye can crush ISIL in a week, but guess who is buying the oil ISIL is selling, Whose trucks are transporting that oil - Project Bashar is a work in progress, my guess is that Russia, Iran and to a lesser extent, China are decided that project Bashar needs to end as does the Saudi US project in Yemen.
    If they had decided that,wouldnt the wars have ended by now?

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    I don't see why the fukc the Turks are being diplomatic about the whole affair. They are the ones making the sacrifices and putting up with all the refugees. Go in their and batter them. May the force be with you!!!!
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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    If they had decided that,wouldnt the wars have ended by now?
    No, none of these countries is strong enough to counter the US and it's allies - they can out maneuver it, but to impose their will against the US outright, no way!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muse View Post
    No, none of these countries is strong enough to counter the US and it's allies - they can out maneuver it, but to impose their will against the US outright, no way!

    If these countries(Russia,Iran) end their miltary support to Assad,is he not finished?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muse View Post
    No, none of these countries is strong enough to counter the US and it's allies - they can out maneuver it, but to impose their will against the US outright, no way!
    Then why hasn't Syria fallen then?

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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by revojam View Post
    Its a ******* shame we have to pretend to fight ISIS in order to fight PYD if only Tayyip Erdoğan had some backbone to defy White House.They are coming from other side of the world giving air support and arms delivery to PYD and we are simply watching instead we could be the ones giving air support and arms delivery to ISIS againts PYD.We don't need 5. generation warplane or bunch of frigates what we need it strong political will to defy White House.
    Bro do you want him to fall out with the USA?

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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    If these countries(Russia,Iran) end their miltary support to Assad,is he not finished?
    Why would any of these countries want to do that? Why would they want Ikhwani Mofos or ISIL running Syria??

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