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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

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    Ok,lets say that all the surrounding countries together defeated ISIS,then what Muse?
    I want you to tell me whats going to happen next,if you cant i will.

    A defeat of ISIL will further stabilize Iraq, it will allow Syria to transition, it will isolate Israel and allow the Wahabi to sober themselves and stop supporting terrorism through their sectarian proxies. The Iran nuclear deal, that everybody seems very thrilled by, will bring temporary relief to Iran, because the US congress will kill it, yes, the UNSC has ratified the deal, but even if Russia and China don't go along with the US congress, the fact remains that the Iranian economy is oriented towards the West, this means that the Iranian have calculated that's the way they want it.

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    A defeat of ISIL will further stabilize Iraq, it will allow Syria to transition, it will isolate Israel and allow the Wahabi to sober themselves and stop supporting terrorism through their sectarian proxies. The Iran nuclear deal, that everybody seems very thrilled by, will bring temporary relief to Iran, because the US congress will kill it, yes, the UNSC has ratified the deal, but even if Russia and China don't go along with the US congress, the fact remains that the Iranian economy is oriented towards the West, this means that the Iranian have calculated that's the way they want it.
    Bs Muse,

    ISIS gone.Iraq will be governed by Shias and Shias only backed by Iran,the Northern parts of Iraq and Syria will be Kurdish territory,Assad will govern Syria and aligned to Iran,so Iran will have two new provinces,its territory will reach to the Mediteranean Sea.
    Now,where are the Sunnis in Iraq and Syria,what will happen to them,who will care for them?
    Dont come with inclusive government bs in Iraq and Syria,that will never happen.
    The Sunni Arabs and Turkmens,the Christians and other minorities will get no say in nothing never ever.
    Every action will cause a reaction by both government(military),the minorities and the Sunnis will be fvcked.
    You didnt even solve the internal problems of both Iraq and Syria but went straight on to the isolation of Israel and the Wahabis,whats with that?
    You wrote sectarian proxies,did you mean the Sunnis,do they even exist to you?
    Why do you call them sectarian,who is te sectarian here?
    Assad=Alewi rule,a fvcking minority
    Iraq=Shia rule,not even half of the population
    Whats with the millions in between?

    Do you see why ISIS will never go until the Sunnis will be included in both governments?
    Turkiye=refugees,2 million Sunnis,some Christians and Kurds from Syria(why only Sunnis?)
    Jordan=622.000 registered refugees,90% Sunnis
    Lebanon=1,435 000 registered refugees again 90% Sunnis

    They didnt all run for ISIS,they ran before ISIS,why would they be fleeing the country?
    Stabilize Iraq and allow Syria to transition,really in whos favor will it all be?
    ISIS is the voice the military the only weapon the Sunnis have.
    To your logic,ISIS go,Iraq run by Shias supported by Iran,Syria run by Assad(transition=another close member of the Assad family).
    My logic says,forget it ISIS will stay until the Sunnis have a say in Iraq and Syria.
    Either by carving a country out of Iraq and Syria,some new Suni country or take over Syria from Assad and take a piece of Iraq.
    If you make a scenario then include all the actors,not the ones you ''favor'' or think they have the right to act.
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    You should change the title to Damned if you do damned if you don't.
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    You should change the title to Damned if you do damned if you don't.
    True. Cant win either way
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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

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    Where does ths Iranophobia come from? I really don't understand it, the Safavid and the Osmani are history - Turkiye and Iran are modern nation states, their transition to post modern is eagerly awaited -- should Iraq and Syria have inclusive governments, most surely, however, Iraq is a primarily Shia majority country - it's like saying Kurds should carry on their struggle until they get a representation equal to that of the majority Turks, how does that make sense??

    Syria is a different case, when I suggest it will allow Syria to transition, I mean over time such that the alevi minority remains protected --

    See, when I suggested that the transition to post modern is eagerly awaited, I mean ALL CITIZENS EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW, REGARDLESS OF CONFESSION OR SECT -- this kind of political reconstruction requires support by neighbors, not hostility ---- these continuation of ancient prejudices and hostilities will be the death of Muslim majority states.

    Iran is not something that just got made, it's being around as a state for more than 4000 years - a little respect goes a long way. You argue as if Iran were determined to wife out Sunnis, as if such a thing was possible, it's ridiculous -- Today there are four schools of law, why not a mutli year dialogue that may culminate in the acceptance of 5th school, that will allow an end to this idiot Shiah-Sunni BS.

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    Didn't have time to read the thread but I saw that you were debating with the Turks.

    The kurds don't want turkey in Syria because that will prevent them from taking over syria's northern border to link up with their buddies in afrin. On one side you see kurds saying why doesn't turkey do something but then on the other side they don't want turkey to do anything. This is part of their smearing campaign against Turkey to get international support for the founding of their own country, they think that if they trick enough people like yourself then they will achieve this which is true to some extent.

    Turkey is in a damned if you do damned if you don't situation with PKK supporting kurds hence their demands are ignored as they are not serious. Everyone knows that the HDP kurds in Turkey have an ultimate goal which is establishing a kurdish state in Turkey hence they get 0 sympathy. They do not even read the national anthem in the parliament, their party leader said he would build an abdullah ocalan statue, their supporters are always seen with PKK flags, their parliamentarians are seen pushing and yelling at Turkish soldiers, they oppose the building of dams, airports, and roads citing that they are for military purposes, they oppose having Turkish soldiers in south eastern Turkey yet they call for increased border security, they call for unity between Turks and kurds yet they carry out polarization policies, they threaten people who have Turkish flags in south eastern turkey, they don't appreciate that turkey took in tens of thousands of kurds from syria, they dont appreciate that turkey let the peshmerga cross into kobane, they don't appreciate Turkey for treating their wounded fighters from kobani, they fabricate news stories even claiming that Turkey sent tanks to isis, they throw molotov cock tails at police and then expect no reaction and if a rioter gets shot in reaction to that they try to show it as if he was a mere protester. Imagine if you had a crowd like this in your country? Would you do something that would benefit them? And when I say them I mean the people that want land from Turkey or who would want land from Turkey if they had the chance, im not talking about all kurds here lets be very clear. You can research all of what I said and find it to be true.

    You need to put yourself in the shoes of a turk.
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    [MENTION=1244]Muse[/MENTION]

    You need to put yourself in the shoes of a turk.
    You know that all the things you mention Pakistanis are familiar with inside Pakistan -- I think from conversations here, to me at least, it is clear that nationalist sentiment and ancient prejudices have triumphed over what to me is sense -- for more than 10 years in Pakistan, we were told taliban are our friends that we ought not act against them, even as they killed and maimed more than 50,000 Pakistani --- As Iran breaks out isolation, you watch, the incidences of sectarian violence will sky rocket, it's not coincidence it's the Wabahi making a point to the Pakistanis - it will fail, and Pakistanis won't forget -- Remember Pakistan have the second highest Shiah population, larger than Iraq, Syria Lebanon and all these - will Turkiye then side with the Wahabi against Pakistan???

    We must make peace with reality, construct new political models where religion and sect mean less than zero to the law and to the state, it will take a long time, so what, it's the right thing to do.

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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

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    You should change the title to Damned if you do damned if you don't.

    Heads you win tails you lose,
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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

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    Where does ths Iranophobia come from? I really don't understand it, the Safavid and the Osmani are history - Turkiye and Iran are modern nation states, their transition to post modern is eagerly awaited -- should Iraq and Syria have inclusive governments, most surely, however, Iraq is a primarily Shia majority country - it's like saying Kurds should carry on their struggle until they get a representation equal to that of the majority Turks, how does that make sense??

    Syria is a different case, when I suggest it will allow Syria to transition, I mean over time such that the alevi minority remains protected --

    See, when I suggested that the transition to post modern is eagerly awaited, I mean ALL CITIZENS EQUAL BEFORE THE LAW, REGARDLESS OF CONFESSION OR SECT -- this kind of political reconstruction requires support by neighbors, not hostility ---- these continuation of ancient prejudices and hostilities will be the death of Muslim majority states.

    Iran is not something that just got made, it's being around as a state for more than 4000 years - a little respect goes a long way. You argue as if Iran were determined to wife out Sunnis, as if such a thing was possible, it's ridiculous -- Today there are four schools of law, why not a mutli year dialogue that may culminate in the acceptance of 5th school, that will allow an end to this idiot Shiah-Sunni BS.
    Come on Muse,its not about me or my Iranophobia.
    You never mentioned the Sunni's,what inclusive government,when where?
    I have nothing against Iran or Iranians,my problem is with the Mullahs in charge,you talk about Wahabis but never about the Mullahs in Iran.
    I dont trust them and never will.
    You meant all citizens equal but no where you mentioned them.
    I had respect for the Shah,Riza Pahlevi,not for some ayatollah.
    This statement is reall a joke Muse,really,

    ''Iraq and Syria have inclusive governments''

    Are you ok,why did this sectarian bs start,because of inclusive governments,really wow?????
    In my country we have 30% of the population as Alewis,they dont need protection,they are equal.
    The leader of the CHP party(biggest opposition party) is Alewi,many other parties have Alewi MPs.
    That is called inclusive!
    Muse,maybe you do some research on why both Iraq and Syria are in this situation.
    Just realize that this is a sectarian war,nothing else,it started sectarian and will end sectarian.
    If you have another explanation for the reason of the Iraqi and Syrian civil wars,be my guest and tell me what its about.
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    Re: Turkey Starts Fighting ISIS - In Order to Fight Kurds

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    I like you, don't have issues with Iran, however the Mullahs and bearded crew are as bas as the Wahabis on the other side of the scale. Both are hell bent on destruction without compromisation.
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    will Turkiye then side with the Wahabi against Pakistan???
    You shouldn't ask questions like this....My cousin used to work in Roketsan and we have long conversation with him 2 weeks ago. He said Turkey has 3 brother nations: Azerbaijan, TRNC and Pakistan. No matter what happens even though the international community pressed us on certain issues. We never backed against pressure and always found alternative ways to support these countries. Turkey acting against Pakistan will never happen in this universe.

    - Also, he attended Pakistan Defence Expo some years ago and told me some many weird stuff about his journey.... maybe one day i will share with you.
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    You should ask questions like this....My cousin used to work in Roketsan and we have long conversation with him 2 weeks ago. He said Turkey has 3 brother nations: Azerbaijan, TRNC and Pakistan. No matter what happens even though the international community pressed us on certain issues. We never backed against pressure and always found alternative ways to support these countries. Turkey acting against Pakistan will never happen in this universe.
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    Come on Muse,its not about me or my Iranophobia.
    You never mentioned the Sunni's,what inclusive government,when where?
    I have nothing against Iran or Iranians,my problem is with the Mullahs in charge,you talk about Wahabis but never about the Mullahs in Iran.
    I dont trust them and never will.

    You meant all citizens equal but no where you mentioned them.
    I had respect for the Shah,Riza Pahlevi,not for some ayatollah.
    This statement is reall a joke Muse,really,

    ''Iraq and Syria have inclusive governments''

    Are you ok,why did this sectarian bs start,because of inclusive governments,really wow?????
    In my country we have 30% of the population as Alewis,they dont need protection,they are equal.
    The leader of the CHP party(biggest opposition party) is Alewi,many other parties have Alewi MPs.
    That is called inclusive!
    Muse,maybe you do some research on why both Iraq and Syria are in this situation.
    Just realize that this is a sectarian war,nothing else,it started sectarian and will end sectarian.
    If you have another explanation for the reason of the Iraqi and Syrian civil wars,be my guest and tell me what its about.

    You can't possibly believe that I of all people would find Mullahcrazy whether in Iran or elsewhere desirable --- I won't ask you to read the works we discussed earlier, but there is such a huge amount of dissent and reformist literature coming out of there, that it's discovery may surprise you.

    Anyway, about the Sunni, I am myself Sunni, and I'm not about sectarian government, I despise the very idea, on the other hand, political reconstruction takes time and there is no guarantee that it will work --- I do however, realize the consequences of it not working.

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    will Turkiye then side with the Wahabi against Pakistan???
    You dont know much about the relationship between Pakistan and Turkiye,i guess.
    This is a brotherhood,not a friendship like you have with other countries.
    We always supported you and you always supported us,no matter what.
    We have nothing to gain from this relationship but brotherhood,really nothing else.

    Here is a piece written by a Turk,

    Why do Turks Like Pakistan?


    By Sedat Laciner Assoc. Prof. Dr.
    Many statesmen believe in that the states have no friends, but interests. That's why the number of states which have special relations' is few. US-UK relations or US-Israel relations are exceptional. Even in these examples we see that the national interests are more important than the emotional dimension. In this framework Turkish-Pakistani relations have always been special. In spite of the geographical distance and the clear economic and social differences between two countries, Turks have always loved the Pakistanis. Although the Pakistanis are not Turkish origin people, they have always been called brothers' in Turkey. Brotherhood between these two countries was something emerged before the family ties between the Turkish Republics and Turkey to be bounded. Like many Turkish people I did not question Pakistan's friendship, yet one of the answers I was trying to find prior to my 8 day-trip to Pakistan was the reasons of this profound sympathy. On the Pakistan way, may be first time in my life I wondered why do Turks like Pakistan? I thought whether the Turkish-Pakistani love is delusion or not. *** I will share my Pakistan notes in the near future, but in this essay I would rather try to understand the main roots of our Pakistan sympathy: The things I saw in my 2000 km journey, including 5 cities from Karachi-southern coast- to Burban-the very north of Pakistan-, was totally devastating for me and the other members of the Turkish delegation. It is clear that Pakistan has been passing through difficult times in terms of politics, security and economics. My soul and heart were hurt by the level of difficulties these beautiful people face. Besides all that tragedy, I and other members of the Turkish delegation found out something that every visitor to Pakistan experience: Pakistan is certainly the country that likes Turkey the most in this world. *** In one of the meetings the USAK in Ankara, the Pakistani Ambassador Seyid Iftikhar H+-seyin Shah had answered very positively all our questions and declared Pakistan's support for any political problem Turkey faces: For example when we talked about Cyprus issue, terror or any other important topics, all of which he replied: "Pakistan would support you". An ambassador's response this fast and impulsive was quite shocking for USAK researchers if it was not suspicious. After seeing the shocked expressions in our faces, Ambassador Shah smiled and looked into our eyes saying "Pakistan would always support Turkey, because your country is Turkey, and you are Turkish." We simply understand that Turkey has Pakistan's political support in any issue with no hesitation. Such support and ties were naturally unexpected for Anglo-Saxon type educated people like us and it was a surprise for us when we are talking about a so alone country' in Europe, Turkey. What is more impressive was that we heard the same replies throughout Islamabad, Karachi and Lahor. All Pakistanis told us that "Pakistan would always support Turkey just because you are Turkey, and you are Turkish" *** The first thing I discovered while I was questioning the reasons of this exceptional "chum" relationship was how lonely Pakistan was. Being stuck between India, Iran, Afghanistan and China, Pakistan suffers a great loneliness. All of Pakistan's neighbors are either too problematic, like Afghanistan, or too distant from adopting a close relationship on equal terms with the country. Take India for example, after the British left, it started drawing a profile of "Big Brother" of the region. Iran, where there are still strong signs of a pursuit for the Persian Empire (or expansion of the Islamist regime?), is no different. On the contrary, Iran's intolerable' conceit and desire for ideological propagation, makes it almost impossible to create a strong relationship. Afghanistan, probably the most similar country to Pakistan in terms of geography and demography, is now like a fireball and is ready to porch. Inside all the neighbors of Pakistan, the most loved one is certainly China. Because of its support to Pakistan in their relations with India, Chinese relations are special for Pakistanis. The "real China" is, however, is the very east of the country. Besides, it is fairly hard to imagine a Chinese Pakistani closeness, compared to a one with Turkey. Moreover the relations with the West is also problematic. Although Islamabad Government has always been very helpful for the Western policies against terrorism, Pakistan cannot find a similar support and empathy in the West. Turkey is certainly the most similar country to Pakistan in the world with its special loneliness'. Although it is at the heart of the global issues and has quite strong ties with the East and the West, Turkey is not part of any world in reality. It is sui generis and Turkish people still feel aloneness in the West and in the region like Pakistan. It can be said that this shared aloneness is one of the factors in Turkish Pakistani friendship. Turks can understand the Pakistanis before the double standards of the great powers. Besides their common loneliness, the historical caliphate is believed to be another reason of the Turkish sympathy in Pakistan. The Ottoman sultans were considered the head of the all Muslims in many countries. Thanks to the Abdulhamid II's efforts the influence of the Turkish caliphates' increased dramatically in the Indian subcontinent. The Turks were considered as a balancing power against the occupying British in India. Therefore Indian Muslims felt themselves very close, even engaged, to the Anatolian Muslim Turks. More strangely, not only the Muslims, but also all other oppressed societies in India felt themselves close to the Ottoman Empire in these years. Including Gandhi, the Indians were all saddened by the declaration of secular Turkish Republic and the cassation of the caliphate chair. They were not against secularism but the evaporation of the Caliphate as they saw the Caliphate as an influential tool against imperialism in India. Despite their sadness, both Hindus and Muslim Indians respected Turkish people's decision, continued to see citizens of the Modern Turkish Republic as the sons of the Ottomans. Another factor of the sympathy was unfortunately the turmoil both Turkey and Pakistan experienced, particularly the military coups. The 12 September 1980 Coup's General President Kenan Evren for instance was not welcomed at all in the Western European countries. He could only visit or more accurately only welcomed by Bulgaria, Romania, soma Arab countries and Pakistan. The same thing was, of course, true for Pakistan. Turkish officials have always welcomed Pakistanis no matter what their political conditions were. Turkey's strong support for Pakistan in the Kashmir case has also been a major contributor to the relationship. In spite of the problems with India, Turkey kept to its support and said: "just because you are Pakistan." Although it is a debatable issue, another important point that needs to be mentioned here is the ethnic roots of Pakistan community. The country is clearly affected by the neighboring countries it stuck between. Fingerprints can be seen in its language, religion, culture and in many other areas. Its foods and music are, along with a lot other characteristics, is a synthesis. However, the Turkish signs can only be seen when looked closer. Even physical similarities can be observed. Turkish clans entering the inside of the Indian subcontinent have affected the region so deeply that its fingerprints inherited to the Pakistan of today. In other words, our ties with Pakistanis are not just mental, but we might also, with the help of modern science, observe different aspects of the ties by looking at the genes of our Pakistani brothers. Such a fact would certainly be shocking, but not very unexpected. More recently, Turkey's immediate help to Pakistan in the earthquake disaster was definitely the most major contributor to the relationship between the countries. All Pakistanis, from government officials to ordinary people, are very grateful for their brother country's aids. They said that Turkey was there with both volunteers and officials helping them rescuing their people in a disaster which 75.000 people died. Moreover, they told us that Turks also did not leave immediately, but helped rebuilding the devastated country. They were so impressed from this immense help that Imam Abdullah said in a speech he made in Eidgahah Mosque: "Pakistan is Turkey and Turkey is Pakistan." Another recent contribution of the disaster to Turkish-Pakistani relationship is the fact that Turkish Premier, Recep Tayyip Erdogan, was the first leader to visit the country after the great disaster. Showing one more time the importance of timing in diplomacy, that his visit and speech impressed Pakistanis as much as Turkish aids did. Even though he may be aware of the consequences of his visit, Mr. Erdogan certainly did something very important for closeness between Pakistan and Turkey. The last visit to Pakistan made by Turkish President Abdullah Gul was also important in this context. His visit after the devastating assassination of Benazir Bhutto, which is an incident that almost put the country into a chaos, proved Turkey's support to the country one more time. The message President Gul gave by meeting with all leaders in the country was clear: "Pakistani leaders should stop fighting each other and maintain peace and unity in the country." Thanks to the efforts of Turkish ambassador Engin Soysal and his team, Turkey has continued to play a special role in bridging the opposing Pakistani groups. It is clear that almost all Pakistani political parties trust on the Turks. That's why Turkish diplomats or politicians can organize in a very limited time so many sensitive meetings which affect Pakistani political life. *** As a conclusion, it seems that Turks have enough reasons to see Pakistan as a brother country. Besides, the heating environment of the "Great Middle East" also brings countries like Turkey and Pakistan, and other countries affected by the United States policies in the region. The wrong policies of the White House force the regional powers to make more co-cooperation and Turkish-Pakistani relations is no exception. I will continue writing on our Pakistan experiences. However, for now, I will stop here by telling people who do not believe in Turkey-Pakistan closeness that: We the Turks love Pakistanis because they are Pakistani.


    See Muse,
    During the several embargo's imposed on Pakistan we always helped out with whatever we could no matter the government in Turkiye.
    1965,1971.
    1999 Kargil war,Pervez Musharraf summoned all the ambassadors of allied countries to attend a meeting.
    The Turkish Ambassador gave him a signed blanco paper and saying the words,''we stand by Pakistan no matter what decision taken'' and left(he was sick,needed to be in bed).
    Turkiye will never go against Pakistan,no matter what situation and dont forget,there are no interests here.
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    You can't possibly believe that I of all people would find Mullahcrazy whether in Iran or elsewhere desirable --- I won't ask you to read the works we discussed earlier, but there is such a huge amount of dissent and reformist literature coming out of there, that it's discovery may surprise you.

    Anyway, about the Sunni, I am myself Sunni, and I'm not about sectarian government, I despise the very idea, on the other hand, political reconstruction takes time and there is no guarantee that it will work --- I do however, realize the consequences of it not working.
    No Muse,no doubt about that but,

    It was you who claimed that the Governments were inclusive,could you explain how you did come up with that idea?
    And while you are at it,could you also explain why both civil wars started,the reason behind both civil wars?
    As you,im not sectarian but im a realist and i dont get your perception of the situation,i really dont get it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    You should ask questions like this....My cousin used to work in Roketsan and we have long conversation with him 2 weeks ago. He said Turkey has 3 brother nations: Azerbaijan, TRNC and Pakistan. No matter what happens even though the international community pressed us on certain issues. We never backed against pressure and always found alternative ways to support these countries. Turkey acting against Pakistan will never happen in this universe.

    - Also, he attended Pakistan Defence Expo some years ago and told me some many weird stuff about his journey.... maybe one day i will share with you.

    and this line is well appreciated bro;
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    I thank you [MENTION=4322]T-123456[/MENTION] [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] for your kind comments about Pakistan. The feelings are reciprocal.
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    Re: Claim: Turkish Armored units and Mechanized Infantry enter Syria?

    4 tanks are shelling ISIS positions in Syria, Mechanized Infantry is providing fire suppression.

    Commanded of 5th Armored Brigade is leading the operation.

    Manned ISR aircraft and UAVs have been dispatched.

    F-16s from 8th ABW have been scrambled to the region with strike munitions.

    There's nothing officially conformed yet but if you know Turkish: its breaking news.

    Officially now, USAF has been cleared to station combat aircraft at Incirlik AFB.
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