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    Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    ANKARA: Turkey will go ahead with plans to order a $3.4-billion missile defense system from China, Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz said, despite U.S. and NATO concerns over security and compatibility of weaponry.

    Yilmaz said in a written response to a parliamentary question published Thursday that Ankara will use the long-range system without integrating it with NATO's system.

    Turkey originally awarded the tender to China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp in 2013, prompting U.S. and NATO officials to say the deal could raise questions over security.

    Turkey later said it was in talks with France on the issue, but Yilmaz said no new bids had been received.

    "The project will be financed with foreign financing. Work on assessing the bids has been completed and no new official bid was received," the minister said.

    "The system in question will be integrated with the national system for Turkey's defense and will be used without integrating with NATO," he added.

    Eurosam, which is owned by Franco-Italian missile maker MBDA and France's Thales, came second in the tender

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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    What do you think? [MENTION=4322]T-123456[/MENTION]
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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by SavingFace View Post
    What do you think? [MENTION=4322]T-123456[/MENTION]
    Looks like they made a choice at last.
    What i dont get is that the system will be ready in earliest 10 years and by that time Roketsan together with Aselsan will have developed an indigenous missile defense system,so why not wait?
    I dont see why we need to buy any High Altitude Defence System when we are in the fase of developing our own.
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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    Looks like they made a choice at last.
    What i dont get is that the system will be ready in earliest 10 years and by that time Roketsan together with Aselsan will have developed an indigenous missile defense system,so why not wait?
    I dont see why we need to buy any High Altitude Defence System when are in the fase of developing our own.
    is there any transfer of tech from Chinese?
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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Amjad Hussain View Post
    is there any transfer of tech from Chinese?
    ToT and joint production.
    The $3,4 billion is actually for the missile tech,which is more important to us then the whole system.
    The HQ-9 is a version of the S-300,Erdogan could have asked Putin(buddies) to give him the technology for cheap,but i guess he couldnt think that far.
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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    ToT and joint production.
    The $3,4 billion is actually for the missile tech,which is more important to us then the whole system.
    The HQ-9 is a version of the S-300,Erdogan could have asked Putin(buddies) to give him the technology for cheap,but i guess he couldnt think that far.
    Still not a bad deal

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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    Looks like they made a choice at last.
    What i dont get is that the system will be ready in earliest 10 years and by that time Roketsan together with Aselsan will have developed an indigenous missile defense system,so why not wait?
    I dont see why we need to buy any High Altitude Defence System when are in the fase of developing our own.
    I think Turkey is feeling threatened by Iranian and Israeli Ballistic missiles and high altitude drones. Thats why buying a ready to use system for now.
    10 years later,this system will be outdated and Turkey's home grown system can be used.. But this one will be TOt and Gap filler

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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    ToT and joint production.
    The $3,4 billion is actually for the missile tech,which is more important to us then the whole system.
    The HQ-9 is a version of the S-300,Erdogan could have asked Putin(buddies) to give him the technology for cheap,but i guess he couldnt think that far.
    King Erdo does not want to keep all his eggs in one basket.

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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    I think Turkey is feeling threatened by Iranian and Israeli Ballistic missiles and high altitude drones. Thats why buying a ready to use system for now.
    10 years later,this system will be outdated and Turkey's home grown system can be used.. But this one will be TOt and Gap filler
    Why would we feel threatened by Iran or Israel?
    Btw,could you name one Iranian or Israel HALE drone?

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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    Why would we feel threatened by Iran or Israel?
    Btw,could you name one Iranian or Israel HALE drone?
    Its a well known fact that whatever USA has got is at disposal of Isrel. So if USA got High altitude drones,so have Israel.
    About Iran,they keep making unverifiable claims.
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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    Its a well known fact that whatever USA has got is at disposal of Isrel. So if USA got High altitude drones,so have Israel.
    About Iran,they keep making unverifiable claims.
    I believe Iran DO have the drone technology.

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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Made up news.

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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    Made up news.
    Arent we buying the FD-2000?
    [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION],what do you mean by that?
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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    Made up news.

    Why is it made up?

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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    Arent we buying the FD-2000?
    [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION],what do you mean by that?
    The deal, stays as it used to be....he just explained how we are going to use it....if we buy it.. Deal is not finished.

    SO this part is entirely made up.
    "Turkey will go ahead with plans to order a $3.4-billion missile defense system from China, Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz said,"
    He never said those sentences in his speech.
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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Most deals of this proportion takes time.

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    Re: Turkey to buy non-NATO Chinese missile defense

    Missile Confusion: Turkey’s Dance with the Chinese
    Posted on February 19, 2015

    I am confused. This morning, Anadolu Agency reported that Turkey’s Defense Minster, Ismet Yilmaz, wrote in response to a parliamentary question about Turkey’s missile defense tender that Turkey’s future system will “not be integrated” with NATO’s missile defense system.

    Here is the tweet:


    "NATO'ya entegre edilmeden kullanılacak"
    Milli Savunma Bakanı İsmet Yılmaz, Hava Savunma Füze Sistemine ilişkin proje ile ilgili, "Sistem, Türkiye'nin savunması için milli sistemlere entegre edilecek ve NATO'ya entegre edilmeden kullanıla...

    Reuters picked up on the story and wrote the following:

    Turkey will go ahead with plans to order a $3.4-billion missile defense system from China, Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz said, despite U.S. and NATO concerns over security and compatibility of weaponry. Yilmaz said in a written response to a parliamentary question published on Thursday that Ankara will use the long-range system without integrating it with NATO’s system. Turkey originally awarded the tender to China Precision Machinery Import and Export Corp in 2013, prompting U.S. and NATO officials to say the deal could raise questions over security. Turkey later said it was in talks with France on the issue, but Yilmaz said no new bids had been received. “The project will be financed with foreign financing. Work on assessing the bids has been completed and no new official bid was received,” the minister said.

    As of January 2015, Turkey was reported to have decided to put-off “making a hasty ‘final-final’ decision” on the long-delayed T-LORAMIDS tender. The Turkish leadership, according to Burak Bekdil, was continuing discussions with the United States’ Lockheed Martin/Raytheon for the PATRIOT system and MBDA for the SAMP/T, but were watching how both countries’ governments handled the events surrounding the 100 year anniversary of the “Armenian Genocide.” According to Burak Bekdil’s report:

    The procurement official did not comment directly on whether Congress’ decision would be a parameter in selecting a winner in the contract, or whether the US contender would be blacklisted for political reasons. But he said: “Our procurement decisions are not free of deliberations on foreign policy.” Both the procurement and defense officials said that although all three bidders are in the picture, they admitted that talks with CPMIEC have not been productive.” I cannot say negotiations with the Chinese contender have evolved as we expected,” the procurement official said. The defense official said: “[CPMIEC is] still in the game. But they don’t stand where they stood when we selected them. We expect all bidders to improve their offers in line with four criteria: better technological know-how, local participation, quick delivery and price.”Turkish procurement officials earlier admitted that technical negotiations with CPMIEC had dragged into several problematic areas and “this option now looks much less attractive than it did [in 2013].”

    To add more fuel to the linkage between missile defense decision-making and the Armenian Genocide issue, Daily Sabah – a newspaper that, lets say, has strong ideological sympathies for the AKP – wrote the following:



    Was this a Freudian slip, or did Yilmaz gaffe? Here is where the caveats have to come in: Yilmaz is not, lets say, a very strong Defense Minister. He is not exactly a known commodity in Turkey. I suspect that these types of decisions are above his pay-grade and the buck for these political sensitive decisions stops at a rather large office inside Ak Saray.

    In any case, one can tease out three plausible explanations for Yilmaz’s comments. First, he gaffed and Reuters jumped the gun (likely). Second, he is trying to indirectly pressure the Europeans (the U.S. has little hope of winning this, unless Turkey changes its tender terms.) Third, it was a Freudian slip and Turkey has decided to purchase the HQ-9.

    Option 1 may be the most plausible.
    https://turkeywonk.wordpress.com/201...h-the-chinese/

    Looks like [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] is right,no final decision made yet.
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