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    China involved in six nuclear projects in Pakistan, reveals official

    A Chinese official has confirmed that China is involved in as many as six nuclear power projects in Pakistan and is likely to export more reactors to the country, indicating that the much debated civilian nuclear cooperation between the two countries will go ahead despite concerns voiced that it is in contravention of Nuclear Suppliers' Group (NSG) guidelines.

    While China has in the past declined to confirm or share details regarding the extent of its on-going civilian nuclear cooperation with Pakistan, a top official of the National Development and Reform Commission (NDRC), the planning body, was quoted as saying on Saturday that Beijing has been involved in the construction of six reactors in Pakistan.

    Wang Xiaotao, vice-minister of the NDRC, was quoted as saying by State media that the NDRC was keen to support further exports to Pakistan and other countries. To this end, the NDRC is drawing up new guidelines to announce supportive financial policies for exports in the nuclear sector. Railways exports would also be supported under the new guidelines, Wang said.

    Announcing the guidelines at a Beijing press conference, Wang said that China "has assisted in building six nuclear reactors in Pakistan with a total installed capacity of 3.4 million kilowatts". China was also exporting nuclear technology to Argentina, with the two countries on Wednesday signing a deal for exporting heavy-water reactors.

    China's recent projects with Pakistan have come under scrutiny as the NSG does not allow members to supply nuclear technology to countries that have not signed the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT). India had to seek a waiver from the NSG for its civilian nuclear cooperation with the US, and obtained one only after undertaking a range of commitments.

    China only declared the first two reactors it had constructed for Pakistan, Chashma-1 and Chashma-2, at the time of joining the NSG, according to Indian and American officials.

    In 2009, the China National Nuclear Corporation signed agreements for two new reactors, Chashma-3 and Chashma-4. The deals became a matter of controversy and were debated at the NSG, with China arguing that the reactors were "grandfathered" as part of its earlier Chashma agreement and were not new projects per se. China also argued that the deals were under International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) safeguards and were legitimate.

    The two countries last year announced they would undertake a new project in Karachi, with Pakistani media reports saying China would provide $ 6.5 billion to finance two reactors there. At the time, Beijing declined to confirm those reports.

    While the Chinese Foreign Ministry has, in the past, argued that China's cooperation with Pakistan "did not violate norms of the NSG", Beijing's main argument was that the Chashma reactors were part of an earlier deal. With China going ahead with building two new reactors in Karachi, it remains to be seen how Beijing will explain the deals' validity under NSG guidelines.

    http://indiatoday.intoday.in/story/c.../1/417661.html

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    Re: China involved in six nuclear projects in Pakistan, reveals official

    The US or any other nation should have no objections with China or anyone else collaborating with Pakistan on nuclear projects. Pakistan has been at the forefront in the war on terror. If the US makes agreements with India but not with Pakistan, it is their loss. Pakistan has full right to pursue peaceful nuclear energy.
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    Re: China involved in six nuclear projects in Pakistan, reveals official

    Quote Originally Posted by kashifraza View Post
    The US or any other nation should have no objections with China or anyone else collaborating with Pakistan on nuclear projects. Pakistan has been at the forefront in the war on terror. If the US makes agreements with India but not with Pakistan, it is their loss. Pakistan has full right to pursue peaceful nuclear energy.
    NSG has lost its credibility with the waiver to India, how can they object to China when India is getting more and more favors. Gone are the days of nuclear apartheid and embargoes and no one can stop China from selling civil reactors to Pakistan.as long as they are safeguarded by IAEA.

    Chasma was launched in early seventies with the assistence of France but it was abandined in 1978 under US pressure. China took over in late 80's and started building a 4 reactor (2x300mw, 2x350mw) complex which will be completed next year. The NSG could not stop her.

    Pakistan built the indigenous Khushab heavy watet plant which will have five reactor, three have been completd sofar. China is supplying fuel and the NSG can't stop her.

    Pakistan is close to mastering the technology to build nuclear reactors and devlop its own designs. NSG will soon realise that it would be much better and safer to embrace Pakistan and welcime her into the elite group.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Pakistan is close to mastering the technology to build nuclear reactors and devlop its own designs. NSG will soon realise that it would be much better and safer to embrace Pakistan and welcime her into the elite group.


    How close is "close to" ? It seems to me that we do not have public information that Pakistan are close to developing their own designs, and that those designs are safe and efficient ---- Though if it true that Pakistan are genuinely close to mastering the technology then certainly NSG may have to reconsider, although I will point out that this will still not allow Pakistan to be considered for NSG membership, instead China will be find a nuclear Vietnam and ROK will have US sponsorship into NSG.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muse View Post
    How close is "close to" ? It seems to me that we do not have public information that Pakistan are close to developing their own designs, and that those designs are safe and efficient ---- Though if it true that Pakistan are genuinely close to mastering the technology then certainly NSG may have to reconsider, although I will point out that this will still not allow Pakistan to be considered for NSG membership, instead China will be find a nuclear Vietnam and ROK will have US sponsorship into NSG.
    Sir, the 50mw Khushab-1 is an indigenous design developed with Chinese assistance. It was initially dubbed the Khushab 'Experimental' Reactor and kept secret till the a US spy sat picked it up and made it public in mid nineties. The second reactor was twice as big as the first one, we assume its a 100mw Reactor. After a long gap new pics bacame available, the third reactor with a dome twice the size as the second one was completed. Western experts believe its a 200mw heavy water reactor. Now the fourth one is almost ready and the fifth reactor is under construction. Thats almost twenty five years of evolution of an indigenous design and apparently it's doing fine since there are no reported incidents and we have been able to expand it in design as well as capacity.

    I do believe that we depend on China and some other countries for core machinery and materials since they are not being produced locally, but there's no export ban and despite being picked up by US sats, the Khushab Military complex was not sabotaged by the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Sir, the 50mw Khushab-1 is an indigenous design developed with Chinese assistance. It was initially dubbed the Khushab 'Experimental' Reactor and kept secret till the a US spy sat picked it up and made it public in mid nineties. The second reactor was twice as big as the first one, we assume its a 100mw Reactor. After a long gap new pics bacame available, the third reactor with a dome twice the size as the second one was completed. Western experts believe its a 200mw heavy water reactor. Now the fourth one is almost ready and the fifth reactor is under construction. Thats almost twenty five years of evolution of an indigenous design and apparently it's doing fine since there've been reported incidents and we have been able to expand it in design as well as capacity.

    I do believe that we depend on China and some other countries for core machinery and materials since they are not being produced locally, but there's no export ban and despite being picked up by US sats, the Khushab Military complex was not sabotaged by the US.
    Thank you for the post, I think it's fair to say we do not have a conclusive answer to what How close is "close to" -- And I would really want to know why this is the case, because it seems to me that the US is irreconcilable with the idea of a nuclear Pakistan, I don't mean to suggest that the US will physically attack Pakistan, any time soon, but rather that the level of discomfort the US experiences with regard to this issue seems related to the level of technology and competence that countries such as Pakistan have. The articulation of the "India specific" nature of the program seems related to the discomfort with the level of technology and competence.

    Having said that I can't help but feel a sense of regret at what I think is a waste of resources pursuing a technology that ultimately will not be a credible solution to the problems of Pakistani society.

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