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    Re: Hundreds protest LAPD shooting of unarmed black man

    Blacks are still treated like untouchables by certain parts of the USA. Clear for all to see here. Under the first black president you would expect things to be better than this

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    29 people arrested, at least a dozen buildings burned down, guns seized and at least 2 police cars set on fire.

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    Is it really that bad? I haven't been following local news for a long time. I only follow up on current events in the Middle East.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Falcon29 View Post
    Is it really that bad? I haven't been following local news for a long time. I only follow up on current events in the Middle East.
    Ye its really bad. The blacks and others are going mad. Today there is guaranteed to be more riots. Thing is this is also an excuse for people to let out the rage. Unemployment high, no prospects, poverty all rolled into one and now a sense of no justice has boiled it over
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    Ye its really bad. The blacks and others are going mad. Today there is guaranteed to be more riots. Thing is this is also an excuse for people to let out the rage. Unemployment high, no prospects, poverty all rolled into one and now a sense of no justice has boiled it over
    I blame media for turning it into a race issue in order to get views. Will be interesting to see what will follow.

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    Russia says Ferguson violence highlights 'massive' US problems





    MOSCOW: Russia said on Tuesday that the racial unrest in the US town of Ferguson highlighted “massive” domestic problems in America that stemmed from Washington's failure to respect human rights.

    “The latest events in Ferguson are another and very worrying signal to the American authorities indicating that it is finally time for them to focus on massive domestic problems in the field of ensuring human rights,” the Russian foreign ministry said in a statement.

    The comments were Moscow's first on rioting that hit the central US city after a grand jury's decision not to indict a white police officer who shot dead an unarmed black teen during an altercation in August.

    Relations between Moscow and Washington are at a post-Cold War low over a series of disputes, the major one of which is the future of ex-Soviet Ukraine.

    Moscow has fired almost daily diplomatic barbs at Washington and its European allies since a difficult summit in Australia saw Russian President Vladimir Putin effectively ostracised by other world leaders two weeks ago.

    Russia's statement said the Ferguson violence showed that the United States should focus more on its own shortcomings instead of “getting involved in the fruitless mentoring of other nations, and teaching them morals with the help of propaganda”.
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    The cop was only doing his duty, and used justified lethal force in this case. Michael Brown, the black teenager attacked him, and Officer Wilson had full right to defend himself. Looks like blacks don't want to address their problems of hooliganism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Robert View Post
    The cop was only doing his duty, and used justified lethal force in this case. Michael Brown, the black teenager attacked him, and Officer Wilson had full right to defend himself. Looks like blacks don't want to address their problems of hooliganism.
    That's the cops version. People who were witness said the 6 foot 4 inch cop was pointing a gun at the kid and shot him point blank. Amazingly all video evidence seems to have disappeared?
    From CNN and Fox news reports there are a majority of whites protesting.

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    That's the cops version. People who were witness said -
    That's what grand juries are for. Professional law enforcement and prosecutors know that forensics are far more reliable than witnesses, several of whom in this case admitted to the G.J. that they hadn't "witnessed" anything at all.

    From CNN and Fox news reports there are a majority of whites protesting.
    I'm a bit familiar with the local situation. People are fed up with a police dept. that isn't particularly accountable to the public. There have been some strange events over the past few decades with insufficient explanations. It's been building up, you see. The grand jury investigation was a step forward and I see things improving in the medium term.
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    Russia's statement said the Ferguson violence showed that the United States should focus more on its own shortcomings instead of “getting involved in the fruitless mentoring of other nations, and teaching them morals with the help of propaganda”.
    It's nice to read Russia's acknowledgment that America's moral credibility, even under Obama, is so much higher than their own.
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    No fan of America but cant see why a cop would kill a teenager for no reason. If that had been the case I have no doubt Americans would have punished the police officer
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    ‘Racial animosity in US not over’


    With the US having a black president many thought the big racial divide was over, but that is not the case as many underlying issues are still bubbling under the surface, Josh Pasek from the University of Michigan told RT.

    RT: What is it about this particular case that has caused so much public anger?

    Josh Pasek: I think this is really a case where you have seen something come to the fore where a lot of people were having some real experiences with different interactions with the police and such overtime, and an event really happened that catalyzed that experience and made people say something, and take it into their own hands to say: “We need to act up!” That is really what happened in Ferguson that made it such a national and I guess international issue.

    RT: A nationwide survey in September found that 91 percent of blacks said Wilson should be charged, while only 42 percent of whites believed that. Why is this difference so great?

    JP: I think the difference is great because when people look at the incident their views are colored by their own experience. That is the underlying story here. If you are black in America right now, the experience that you live in, in terms of your interactions with the police. I don’t think it is because of anything that is done on a purposeful level, or anybody is doing it because they are trying to be malicious. But that little tiny incident built up into a sense that the police in your area might not be as trustworthy as the kind of generally positive experience that most white Americans have with the police. In that context you can end up with the sense that there really is somebody out to get you even if there isn’t.

    RT: Do you think the criminal justice system treats different races equally?

    JP: I think we see in practice that it doesn't. I think a lot of this isn't on purpose. If you look at the way the criminal justice ends up happening, you end up having typically a jury of people that are designated to go and make a decision around what should happen in a particular case. That jury of people can look at the particular incidents and may find certain pieces of evidence more or less credible. That is really where if anything the racial injustice ends up sometimes happening in the US.

    RT: There have been multiple shootings of innocent black civilians by police in recent months. Is this a tragic coincidence, a trend, or is it just something that we are now noticing?

    JP: It is something we are noticing more now. A lot of what we are seeing here is that in the environment where we now are, having a black president of the US a lot of people had this sense that big stark divide that the racial animosity in America was over. And that is not the case. The fact is that a lot of the underlying issues that were there are still bubbling under the hood and being able to deal with them, being able to deal with people’s perceptual issues, and the extent to which people have both expressed and probably more frequent implicit biases can end up really shaping the way that we interpret events that happen, the way that we interact with one another and the way that history takes its course. In an environment where you don’t expect that to happen when it does happen it is particularly stark.

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    Michael Brown: The workings of the grand jury explained



    The grand jury has decided not to indict Darren Wilson, the white police office who shot and killed the black teenager, Michael Brown, in Ferguson, Missouri on 9 August.

    The shooting led to days of clashes between protesters and police in Ferguson, and there was further unrest following the decision.

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    What is a grand jury?
    In many countries, the decision to indict someone for a crime comes down to the opinion of a single judge who reviews the evidence and decides whether or not it is sufficient.

    But in the United States, a grand jury of ordinary citizens who represent the community is often used to decide whether there is enough evidence to pursue a prosecution.



    While all states have provisions to allow for grand juries, only around half use them, with other states preferring to rely on a preliminary hearing to determine whether or not to indict a defendant.

    Grand jury members may be called for duty for months at a time, but need only appear in court for a few days out of every month.

    Usually the only lawyer present in grand jury hearings is the prosecutor, who will present evidence. The jury has the power to request to see and hear any evidence it wants.

    Grand jury proceedings are conducted behind closed doors to encourage witnesses to speak freely and to protect the defendant's reputation in case the jury does not indict.

    Even though a grand jury may decide not to indict, a prosecutor could still bring the defendant to trial if they think they have a strong enough case.

    Ferguson braces for grand jury decision

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    Who is the grand jury in this case?

    There are 12 randomly picked citizens in this Missouri grand jury - six white men, three white women, one black man and two black women.

    The grand jury was based in the justice centre in Clayton, Missouri.

    This jury had been hearing evidence in this case since 20 August.



    It was given until 7 January to complete proceedings.

    Normally a grand jury would meet just once a week, but in this case the jury had been meeting more frequently.

    This was because instead of considering an overview of the case as presented by the prosecutor, jurors were asked to act as co-investigators and consider all evidence available.

    Analysts say this approach is allowed under law and it is often used in high-profile indictments.

    What we know about Michael Brown's last minutes

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    What charges did the grand jury consider?
    The grand jury was deciding whether Officer Wilson should be charged with any one of four possible crimes: first-degree murder, second-degree murder, voluntary manslaughter or involuntary manslaughter.

    It also had the option of charging the policeman with armed criminal action, if it could prove he was carrying a loaded firearm with the intent to commit a felony.

    Nine out of the 12 members of this jury would have had to vote yes to indict Officer Wilson.



    Analysts said if Officer Wilson could establish he had a "reasonable" fear for his own safety or the safety of others when he shot Brown, then he would be able to argue successfully that he was acting in self-defence under Missouri law.

    Timeline of events in Ferguson

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    Why is this grand jury controversial?
    Brown's family and his supporters complained about the secrecy surrounding the grand jury's proceedings.

    However, grand juries typically meet behind closed doors to assess evidence.



    The prosecutor, Robert McCulloch, was criticised for being biased because his own father, a policeman, was shot and killed by a black man in 1964.

    Many protestors were concerned that Mr McCulloch was not impartial and called for the appointment of a new special prosecutor to replace him.
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    Ferguson unrest: Rev Al Sharpton vows to pursue justice

    There has been widespread unrest in Ferguson after a grand jury decided not to indict a police officer following the fatal shooting of an unarmed teenager.

    Michael Brown was killed on 9 August sparking protests.

    Civil rights leader Rev Al Sharpton, who attended a news conference with Mr Brown's family, said the jury had "broken our hearts" but he vowed to continue "to fight for a new level of accountability of policing in this country".

    "We are going to continue to pursue justice," he added.
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    The trouble with the timing of Ferguson decision



    The announcement that a St Louis County grand jury would not indict Ferguson police officer Darren Wilson for the killing of unarmed black teenager Michael Brown came a little after 20:00 local time, under the cover of darkness.

    What followed next was something protestors and law enforcement officials had assured the public they were dedicated to avoiding. Riot-gear-clad police officers and armoured vehicles cleared the streets with tear gas and smoke canisters, as looters smashed store windows and cars burned - a night of chaos and violence.

    The outcome was tragic - but did the timing of the announcement contribute to the conflagration? The grand jury reportedly had reached their decision by early afternoon.

    No official explanation has been given - Governor Jay Nixon threw up his hands when asked in a press conference, as if to say it was out of his hands. One official in St Louis mentioned to reporters that rush-hour played a part in the delay, the implication being that it would give people time to get home safely from work or from school.

    But on the streets of Ferguson, some residents were concerned that the verdict was coming after nightfall - they would have preferred a morning announcement.

    According to the Washington Post's Wesley Lowery, when the announcement was made wouldn't make a difference.

    "Protesters were going to protest, day or night," he tweeted.

    As dawn broke on a shattered town the morning after, many didn't see it that way.

    Activist Al Sharpton called the timing of the decision irresponsible and "unnecessarily provocative".

    Legal analyst Jeffery Toobin said it was "foolish and dangerous".

    "Here's the thing about that time of night: it's dark," he writes for CNN.com. "Anyone - anyone! - should have known that the decision in the Brown case would have been controversial. A decision not to indict, which was always possible, even likely, would have been sure to attract protests, even violence. Crowd control is always more difficult in the dark."

    The decision on when to reveal the non-indictment was "inscrutable" and only likely to increase the possibility of violence, says New Yorker's Jelani Cobb.

    But, he adds, that it was all part of a larger lack of preparation on the part of law enforcement.

    "Despite the sizable police presence, few officers were positioned on the stretch of W Florissant Road where Brown was killed," he writes. "The result was that damage to the area around the police station was sporadic and short-lived, but Brown's neighbourhood burned. This was either bad strategy or further confirmation of the unimportance of that community in the eyes of Ferguson's authorities."

    St Louis-based freelancer Sarah Kendzior agrees.

    "Everything about the announcement - the timing, the condescending tone, the weeks of militarised vehicles patrolling the roads - seemed designed to inflame and incite the region," she writes for Politico Magazine. "And it did."

    On MSNBC's Morning Joe show, host Joe Scarborough said it was "mind-boggling" that authorities continued to mishandle public relations in the case.

    A daylight announcement would have encouraged peaceful protests, he said.

    "You would have been doing the police officers a favour, and you would have been doing the black-owned small businesses that were torched last night a favour, you would be doing the family a favour," he continued.

    Fellow panellist Eugene Robinson added that the outcome was totally foreseeable based on how the announcement was made.

    "I hate conspiracy theories," he said, "but if you knew you were going to announce that there was no indictment and you wanted to shift attention to the reaction away from the decision itself, well I guess this would be a way to do it - an awful way to do it."

    And there certainly was no shortage of theories, expressed on Twitter, as the violence in Ferguson spread - whether it was craven officials instigating a fight or police authorities seeking a boost in overtime pay.

    Hot Air's Noah Rothman counters that all the wild speculation and criticisms of the district attorney's presentation are just further examples of liberals looking to blame the unrest on anyone other than the unruly participants.

    "Point A to Point B, all due to the fact that the prosecutor spent nearly an hour laying out the facts of a criminal case and delayed that announcement long enough to allow those in Ferguson and around the country time to bunker down before the inevitable violence erupted," he writes. "What a scoundrel."

    Prior to the Ferguson revelation, there was speculation on whether the fallout from a non-indictment would equal the violent riots that erupted in Los Angeles 22 year ago after the acquittal of the white police officers accused of beating black motorist Rodney King.

    "The memory of that incident also hangs like a shroud over Ferguson, Missouri," writes the Grio's Javier E David.

    That announcement came in mid-afternoon, and some of the most violent attacks occurred in broad daylight.
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    Ferguson shooting: Michael Brown ruling denounced as 'unfair'

    Lawyers for the family of US teenager Michael Brown have denounced the process that cleared the police officer who killed the 18-year-old as "unfair".

    Attorney Benjamin Crump said the process was "broken" a day after a grand jury opted not to send white police officer Darren Wilson to trial.

    Mr Brown was killed on 9 August in Ferguson, Missouri, sparking unrest.

    State governor Jay Nixon says more than 2,200 National Guardsmen will around the St Louis suburb on Tuesday.

    There were about 700 Guardsmen on the streets on Monday night but they could not stop more than a dozen buildings being set alight.

    A police chief said the violence that followed the grand jury ruling was worse than any Ferguson had seen.

    More than 80 people were arrested amid riots across several areas of St Louis. Sixty-one of those arrests were in Ferguson, with charges including burglary and trespassing.

    Civil rights leader Al Sharpton, who attended a news conference with Mr Brown's family, criticised the prosecutor's decision to announce the verdict late at night on Monday, saying it was "irresponsible".

    Mr Sharpton said the jury had "broken our hearts" but he vowed to continue "to fight for a new level of accountability of policing in this country".

    'Michael Brown law'
    Violent protests were not in the spirit of Michael Brown, Mr Sharpton added, saying the young man would not "be remembered for the ashes of buildings burning in Ferguson".

    Instead, he said Mr Brown's family would push for new legislation to protect citizens and support a "Michael Brown law" that required all police officers to wear body video cameras.

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    At the scene: Joanna Jolly, BBC News, Ferguson
    The sun's shining this morning on South Florissant, which saw some of the most violent demonstrations outside the Ferguson Police Department last night.

    Local residents have been up since the early hours cleaning up the streets. Shopkeepers are boarding up shops. A small group of protesters is yelling at half a dozen police standing outside the department.

    A group of residents is standing outside a beauty parlour which was looted last night. Its windows have been smashed in and they're hoping to stop anyone else coming in and looting.

    "We're trying to come together and get past this", says Judy. Everyone's expecting more demonstrations tonight.

    "They let our town burn," says Anastasia Knowles. "They sacrificed us for Clayton," she says referring to the choice to deploy the state national guard there and not in Ferguson.





    Many in Ferguson's predominantly African-American community had called for Mr Wilson to be charged with murder, but a Missouri grand jury - of nine white and three black members - made no recommendation of charges.

    Lawyers for the Brown family criticised the decision to call a grand jury rather than appointing a special prosecutor and accused state prosecutor Robert McCulloch of seeking to "discredit the victim".

    "We could see what the outcome was going to be and that is what occurred last night," Mr Crump told reporters, adding: "This process is broken. This process should be indicted."

    Wrongful-death lawsuit?
    Much of the debate since August has centred on whether Michael Brown was attempting to surrender to Darren Wilson when he was shot, but Mr McCulloch said physical evidence had contradicted some of the witness statements.

    The jury was made up of 12 randomly picked citizens from the state of Missouri. At least nine votes were needed in order to issue an indictment.

    Mr Brown's family could yet file a wrongful-death lawsuit against Mr Wilson, who is currently on paid leave.


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    Fighting going on in New York City. Tense scenes in Los Angeles as well.

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    The repercussions seem enormous. Seems blacks get a poor deal from US judiciary. The cop should have been charged in some way. Incredible he walked away

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope View Post
    The repercussions seem enormous. Seems blacks get a poor deal from US judiciary. The cop should have been charged in some way. Incredible he walked away
    I would argue that it is not a black-vs-white issue when it comes to cops, but just cops-vs-everyone else. The law enforcement agencies in the US are too powerful, and the culture of the US is that as long as you follow the law, you are right; even if you don't use your common sense. The officer in this case certainly didn't use his common sense in my opinion, firing 12 shots. That is too much. He could have injured him rather than killing him. He was not level headed in his approach. However, the system is skewed tremendously in the law enforcement agencies' favor.

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    That's what grand juries are for. Professional law enforcement and prosecutors know that forensics are far more reliable than witnesses, several of whom in this case admitted to the G.J. that they hadn't "witnessed" anything at all.

    I'm a bit familiar with the local situation. People are fed up with a police dept. that isn't particularly accountable to the public. There have been some strange events over the past few decades with insufficient explanations. It's been building up, you see. The grand jury investigation was a step forward and I see things improving in the medium term.
    and this is his response.

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