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    Libya Sufi shrines attacked 'by Islamist hardliners'

    A shrine in the Libyan capital Tripoli venerating a Sufi Muslim saint has been partly destroyed - the latest in a series of attacks blamed on ultra-conservative Salafi Islamists.

    Tripoli residents said men with bulldozers attacked the shrine of al-Shaab al-Dahmani, unimpeded by police.

    The attack came a day after hardliners were accused of damaging the tomb of a Sufi scholar in the city of Zlitan.

    Hardline Salafists regard the shrines as idolatrous.

    On Friday, a group attacked the tomb of 15th-Century scholar Abdel Salam al-Asmar in Zlitan, about 160km (100 miles) south-east of Tripoli. The Reuters news agency said its dome had collapsed.

    Video footage showed chunks of masonry littering the floor, bullet holes pockmarking the walls and ornate Islamic tiling destroyed.

    People in Tripoli say they saw bulldozers destroy part of the al-Shaab al-Dahmani mosque and Sufi shrine.

    One, a student named Abdurrahman, told the BBC: "There's a large group of Salafists - they are the one with the bulldozers, and some military police are also present.

    "They seem to be overseeing the process, rather than preventing it... There are some bystanders who seem to approve".

    He said the Salafists were also handing out pamphlets issued by a Saudi Arabian mufti from the hardline Wahhabi school of Islam.

    'A crime'

    The destruction in Zlitan follows two days of clashes between rival local tribes which left at least three people dead.

    Omar Ali, an official from the Zlitan military council, told Reuters: "The extremist Salafis took advantage [of the fact] that security officials were busy calming down the clashes and they desecrated the shrine."

    Libya's Deputy Prime Minister Mustafa Abushagur tweeted: "The destruction of shrines and mosques is a crime. Those who commit these crimes will be held responsible."

    In November last year, the bodies of two Muslim clerics were removed from the Sidi Nasr shrine and mosque in Tripoli and reburied according to the principles of the hardline Wahabi school of Islam.

    There has recently been an international outcry over the destruction of centuries-old shrines in Timbuktu, Mali.

    The Sufi sites were attacked by the al-Qaeda-linked Ansar Dine group which seized the city in April.


    BBC News - Libya Sufi shrines attacked 'by Islamist hardliners'

    Well done Qatar France and other friends of Libya for introducing democracy to Libya
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    Such a shame another Muslim whose resources are being stolen and its people living in fire.
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    Libya militants bulldoze Sufi mosque


    Libyan Islamic militant use a bulldozer to raze the mausoleum in Tripoli.




    Armed men have bulldozed a mosque containing Sufi Muslim graves in the centre of the capital, Tripoli, in broad daylight, in what appeared to be Libya's most blatant sectarian attack since the overthrow of Muammar Gaddafi.

    Government officials condemned the demolition of the large mosque and blamed an armed group who, they said, viewed its graves and shrines to Sufi figures as unIslamic.

    It was the second razing of a Sufi site in two days. Ultra-conservative Islamists wrecked Sufi shrines with bombs and another bulldozer and set fire to a mosque library in the city of Zlitan early on Friday, an official said.

    Libya's rulers have struggled to control armed groups competing for power a year after Gaddafi's fall.

    The president of Libya's newly elected National Congress, Mohamed al-Magariaf, called the prime minister to an emergency meeting on Sunday.

    "What is truly regrettable and suspicious is that some of those who took part in these destructive activities are supposed to be of the security forces and from the revolutionaries," Magariaf told reporters.

    He did not elaborate on how security forces took part.

    A Reuters reporter witnessed the bulldozer level the Sha'ab mosque as police surrounded the site and prevented people from approaching. They did not stop the demolition.

    Inside the mosque, empty graves lay gaping in the rubble.

    "A large number of armed militias carrying medium and heavy weapons arrived at the al-Sha'ab mosque with the intention to destroy the mosque because of their belief that the graves are anti-Islamic," said one official who declined to be named.

    He told Reuters that authorities tried to stop them but, after a small clash, decided to seal off the area while the demolition took place to prevent any violence spreading.

    "The [Libya's supreme security council] joins the … condemnation," said council spokesman Abdel Moneim al-Hurr.

    A man who appeared to be overseeing the demolition told Reuters the interior ministry had authorised the operation after discovering people had been worshipping the graves and practicing "black magic". The ministry was not available for comment.

    One of Libya's highest-profile cultural clashes since the toppling of Gaddafi has been between followers of the mystical Sufi tradition and ultra-conservative Salafis, who say Islam should return to the simple ways followed by its prophet.

    Salafis have formed a number of armed brigades in Libya. They reject as idolatrous many Sufi devotions, which include dancing and the building of shrines to venerated figures.

    Conservative Muslims across the region have targeted Sufi sites in Egypt, Mali and other parts of Libya over the past year.

    The assaults recalled the 2001 dynamiting by the Taliban of two 6th-century statues of Buddha carved into a cliff in Bamiyan in central Afghanistan.

    The Sha'ab mosque housed close to 50 Sufi graves inside and, outside, the tombs of Libyan Sufi scholar Abdullah al-Sha'ab and a martyr who fought Spanish colonialists.

    Libya militants bulldoze Sufi mosque | World news | guardian.co.uk

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    people everywhere need to be more tolerant of differences
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    people everywhere need to be more tolerant of differences
    Its not just tolerance of differences. This really is unacceptable. There is no reason to knock the mosque down and disturb the dead. Apparently it sounds like its the government installed asked for it to be knocked down. Shame on the new superstars that have been installed by Natos help. At least under Gaddaffi they could all pray.
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    I hope they are watching at the destruction they have left behind. They are like international pirates. They come and they take and they leave the place empty no oil and no money and no hope
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope View Post
    I hope they are watching at the destruction they have left behind. They are like international pirates. They come and they take and they leave the place empty no oil and no money and no hope
    No they have moved on to their next target that is Syria
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    International pirates is a nice choice of words. To disturb graves is a callous act.

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    I think a lot of this is "induced" & "triggered", just like the Arab Spring was, the situation in Syria is.

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    There is an agenda behind these actions.the next level after removing power and now creatung civil war cause the west does not agree with muslim getting into the seat...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Munir View Post
    There is an agenda behind these actions.the next level after removing power and now creatung civil war cause the west does not agree with muslim getting into the seat...
    Simply the west wanted a more amenable regime in Libya not one that looks after its peoples aspirations but one that looks after the western geo strategic interests

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    Libya news

    BENGHAZI: The deadly attack on the US consulate in the Libyan city of Benghazi was planned and “meticulously executed,” the country’s assembly chief told AFP on Saturday.

    “I don’t want to talk about what happened in other countries but as for Libya, the operation was meticulously executed,” Mohammed al-Megaryef said of the wave of protests across the world over a US-produced film mocking the Holy Prophet (PBUH).

    “There was planning. It was not a peaceful protest which degenerated into an armed attack or aggression. That’s how it was planned,” he said.

    US ambassador Chris Stevens and three other Americans were killed on Tuesday when suspected militants fired on the consulate in the eastern Libyan city with rocket-propelled grenades and set it ablaze.

    “The attack itself and the manner in which the attack occurred …confirms that this was planned and programmed to achieve a purpose,” Megaryef said.

    The attack “was prepared, especially since it coincided with the date of September 11,” he said in reference to the Sept 11, 2011 attacks in the United States claimed by al Qaeda.

    “I do not exclude discovering things that will link al Qaeda and the US consulate attack,” said Megaryef but added that it was “very early to talk about the investigation.”

    US consulate attack was planned: Libya assembly head | DAWN.COM

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    TRIPOLI: Gunmen surrounded Libya’s foreign ministry on Sunday demanding it be “cleansed of agents” and ambassadors of ousted dictator Muammar Qadhafi, an official said.

    The group prevented staff from entering the building in Tripoli, said the ministry official who spoke to AFP on condition of anonymity.

    Around 30 vehicles, some mounted with anti-aircraft guns, and dozens of armed men surrounded the office, an AFP photographer at the scene reported.

    The official criticised the group’s “extremely offensive” behaviour, even if their demands were “legitimate”, saying this did not justify “paralysing the whole work of a ministry”.

    The General National Congress, Libya’s highest political authority, is studying proposals for a law to exclude former Qadhafi regime officials from top government and political posts.

    The proposed law could affect several senior figures in the government, and has caused waves in the country’s political class.

    In March, demonstrators encircled the assembly, trapping members in the building for several hours as they called for the adoption of the law.

    After the siege was lifted, gunmen targeted Congress chief Mohammed Megaryef’s motorcade without causing any casualties.

    Libya’s government is struggling to assert its influence across the country, where Megaryef’s militias who fought Kadhafi in the 2011 uprising still countrol much territory.
    Gunmen surround foreign ministry in Libya capital | World | DAWN.COM

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    Re: Gunmen surround foreign ministry in Libya capital

    Qatar and the west have made a joke and are responsible for unnecessary Arab deaths in Libya

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    Libya: Still Gaddafi's fault?

    By Dieter Neumann



    We blithely continue to blame the long-departed former Libyan dictator Muammar Gaddafi for the complete mess that the Nations of Virtue created when they so boldly engineered his demise with "Operation Odyssey Dawn".

    Last Thursday, the esteemed international human-rights careerist Ian Martin had an opinion piece in The Guardian decrying the dearth of support for Libya's imaginary nascent democracy. While imploring us to see "Libya's travails in its own terms", Martin (former special representative of the United Nations secretary-general in East Timor, Nepal and Libya and secretary-general of Amnesty International from 1986 to 1992) also reminds us that those travails stem from the fact that the country was "left by Gaddafi devoid of almost every institution of modern governance".

    Yup, it's all Gaddafi's fault!

    Martin gives us a few paragraphs singing the praises of democracy in Libya, and then offers us this;
    What should be the response of those whose concern is for Libya itself? A group of American experts has just written to John Kerry, the US secretary of state, advising him to increase Washington's engagement in the country. International actors should indeed stay engaged, as the UK has consistently sought to do. But any over-assertive Western approach will provoke a backlash in Libya, signs of which can already be seen.
    Ah!... let's have a look at those disinterested altruists whose concern is only for Libya itself.

    Here is the letter those American experts have just written to John Kerry,

    If you cast a glance at the list of signatories and spend a few minutes with your favorite search engine you'll soon realize that this group of disinterested altruists represents a cross-section of folks who lobbied hard for the intervention and have spend the intervening time bemoaning the fact that the anticipated rebuilding bonanza has failed to materialize.

    Oh look, there's Jakob Wichmann, founder of JMW consulting. JMW is so proud of its client list, it is more than happy to share a few names with you on its website. BP, ExxonMobil, Chevron, ConocoPhillips, Shell ... those are just a few of the names that practically leap from the page.

    And then you have Stephen Hollingshead, founder, Friends of Libya Foundation. Stephen is given to uttering such imbecilities as "Libya is destined to become the United States of the Arab World". As in a shining beacon on a hill, etc.

    Here is a small insight into the quality of analysis that Hollingshead serves up: "When the state crumbled in Iraq and Afghanistan, citizens stood around, hands in pockets, and wondered when the Americans would turn the lights and water back on. In Libya, people just made things work themselves. There is a very strong American-style spirit of individual initiative."

    That's from that "plucky" Libyan newspaper financed by American money, The Libya Herald.

    Seems that Libyans have that Yankee can-do spirit that the Afghans and the Iraqis are lacking. Those states mysteriously "just crumbled", and then the lazy populations just stood around waiting for the Americans to make it better. By contrast, the Libyans rolled up their sleeves and got it done.

    Except that they didn't.

    That nascent democracy is more nascent today than it was a year ago. The country is a shambles. It will take a generation or more to restore the standard of living it had before the US/North Atlantic Treaty Organization "liberation".

    Isn't it time to stop blaming Gaddafi?


    Dieter Neumann writes the blog The view from Falling Downs, a unique conglomeration of political analysis, satire, investment tips, and more.

    http://www.atimes.com/atimes/World/WOR-01-260913.html
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    Libya is no more......


    The region of Fezzan announced autonomy from the central government of Tripoli. (Photo credit: http://www.libyan-stamps.com)

    Al Arabiya

    Libya’s south-western region of Fezzan declared itself on Thursday an autonomous federal province, Al Arabiya correspondent reported.
    Nouri Mohammad al-Qouizi was named as the president of the province, according to Libyan media reports. Local tribal leaders said military chief would later be appointed to protect the region’s borders and its natural resources.
    The tribal leaders also said they took the decision because of the “weak performance of the General National Congress and the lack of response to the demands of the Libyan people in Fezzan.”
    The move came a month after Cyrenai, in eastern Libya, took a similar step declaring itself also an autonomous federal province.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...-autonomy.html

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    Re: Libya is no more......

    They will still remain Libya but have Autonomous Province Status, Like a federation and with separate governments and powers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonom...omous_province

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    Re: Libya is no more......

    Quote Originally Posted by ReoSpeedWagon View Post
    They will still remain Libya but have Autonomous Province Status, Like a federation and with separate governments and powers.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Autonom...omous_province


    Wont be the same sir

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    East Libya declares self-government

    Province leaders announce a regional government to challenge weak central authority that failed to unite the country.

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    Leaders of an autonomy movement met in the small town of Ajdabiya to launch the government [File: Al Jazeera]

    Eastern Libya has declared an autonomous regional government with an official ceremony, challenging the country's weak central government that failed to assume unifying power over rebels and various tribes since the 2011 war toppled Muammar Gaddafi.

    Leaders of an autonomy movement met on Sunday in the small town of Ajdabiya to launch the government under the name of Barqa, or Cyrenaica as it is also known, supporters said.

    A pro-federalist television station showed more than 20 ministers taking the oath at a podium decorated with a Cyrenaica flag.

    They were joined by the tribal leader Ibrahim Jathran, the former head of Libya's Petroleum Protection Force in charge of guarding oil facilities, who defected in the summer and seized the biggest ports Ras Lanuf and Es-Sider with his troops.

    Jathran was standing next to the self-declared Prime Minister Abd-Rabbo al-Barassi, a defected air force commander.

    Symbolic blow

    The announcement is a symbolic blow to efforts by the Tripoli government to reopen eastern oil ports and fields blocked since summer by rebels and tribes demanding a greater share of power and oil wealth.

    It has no practical meaning, but is sure to worsen ties between the east and Tripoli, which has rejected the self-rule notion.

    Officials were not immediately available for comment.

    Lawlessness has blighted large areas of the OPEC producer since ousting Gaddafi in 2011. The government has been unable to rein in rebel groups and armed tribes.

    Prime Minister Ali Zeidan had been seeking contact with the east in the past few days trying to reopen blocked oil ports in an area home to 60 percent of the country's oil production.

    The protesters and strikes at ports and oil fields have knocked down crude production to some 10 percent of Libya's capacity of 1.25 million barrels a day.

    The North African country used to pump 1.4 million bpd until the strikes started.

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/africa...259621122.html

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    The extremists will truck no dissent or difference of opinion. Their answer to to different opinions is violence.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ighis-benghazi

    Libya in shock after murder of human rights activist Salwa Bugaighis
    Gunmen broke into Benghazi home on day of general election, killing lawyer, wounding security guard and abducting husband


    Chris Stephen in Tripoli
    The Guardian, Thursday 26 June 2014 16.42 BST


    Many Libyans are in shock following the murder of one of Libya's most prominent human rights activists, killed at her home on the day of country's general election.

    Salwa Bugaighis was stabbed and shot through the head by gunmen who broke into her house in the eastern city of Benghazi, wounding a security guard and abducting her husband, Essam al-Ghariani, who remains missing.

    The couple had just returned from voting in Wednesday's election, the attack reminding Libyans of the growing power of extremists in a country wracked by violence.

    Earlier in the day, she had been speaking by phone from her home on a Libyan TV channel about fighting that was raging near her neighbourhood, sparked when militants attacked army troops that had been deployed polling station.

    "These are people who want to foil elections," she told al-Nabaa network as gunfire interrupted her call. "Benghazi has been always defiant, and always will be despite the pain and fear. It will succeed."

    A family friend said relatives who gathering for the funeral on Thursday were too upset to speak to the media: "Everyone is in deep shock, you can imagine, they do not want to talk now."

    The UN and EU condemned the killing, with the British ambassador Michael Aron tweeting "devastated about horrific murder" and calling Bugaighis a "leading light of the 17 February revolution and human rights champion".

    Her killing triggered outrage on social media, with one supporter tweeting: "Salwa Bugaighis was hope. Shocked and saddened."

    Bugaighis, a lawyer from a prominent Benghazi family, was among the first to the barricades in Libya's 2011 Arab spring revolution, and later resigned from the first rebel administration, the National Transitional Council, accusing it of freezing-out female members.

    She was identified as perhaps the most charismatic figure in Libya's women's movement, supporting a successful campaign to establish minimum quotas for female lawmakers in parliament. She also opposed moves to make the wearing of the hijab compulsory, and her views brought her into conflict with the Muslim Brotherhood and Islamist extremists.

    "The killing seems intended to silence critics and muzzle dissent," said Hanan Salah of Human Rights Watch. "Her conviction that dialogue is the only way out for Libya is now forever silent."

    This year Bugaighis and her husband left Libya with their three young children after one child was threatened by gunmen. But the couple returned recently, vowing to continue campaigning.

    Hassan Morajea, a student from Tripoli, said the lawyer was respected by men and women alike for her zeal. "Not only did she have something to say, but she knew how to say it, she was able to articulate what we all thought," said Morajea.

    Most recently Bugaighis had been a prominent member of a commission trying to bridge Libya's growing factional divide. That divide appeared as wide as ever on Thursday, with rival militias deployed on the streets of Tripoli and the supreme court suspending sessions amid fears of violence.

    A car bomb wounded two people outside the assembly designing Libya's constitution in the eastern city of al-Baida and security officials said three soldiers deployed to guard ballot boxes were killed by Islamist militias in Benghazi.

    A national mood of apathy towards democracy seemed confirmed by figures showing only 630,000 people voted in Wednesday's election, about one fifth of the eligible population, and officials are unclear when full results will be published.
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