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    Re: Libya in shock after murder of human rights activist Salwa Bugaighis

    Tripoli is today unsafe, parts have no running water or electricity. There are gangs of thugs taking the law into their own hands so this doesn't surprise me. Another nation blessed with the introduction of the American version of democracy.

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    Re: Libya in shock after murder of human rights activist Salwa Bugaighis

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    The problem is not democracy - American variety or otherwise. The fundamentalists do not believe in democracy. Even Maulana Modoodi (who provided the theology for Zia-ul-Haq's rule in Pakistan) did not belive all Muslims were entitled to vote! The Taliban are no great supporters of democracy either. In Iran we have the Grand Ayatollah having the final say despite what the Iranian people might want. The Egyptians had a democratically elected leader, who was deposed undemocratically and replaced with the military rule that the revolution was against i.e. back to square one for Egypt.

    Some Muslims seem inherently incapable of running a democracy!
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    Re: Libya in shock after murder of human rights activist Salwa Bugaighis

    Quote Originally Posted by SHAMAS View Post
    [MENTION=4047]Fassi[/MENTION]

    The problem is not democracy - American variety or otherwise. The fundamentalists do not believe in democracy. Even Maulana Modoodi (who provided the theology for Zia-ul-Haq's rule in Pakistan) did not belive all Muslims were entitled to vote! The Taliban are no great supporters of democracy either. In Iran we have the Grand Ayatollah having the final say despite what the Iranian people might want. The Egyptians had a democratically elected leader, who was deposed undemocratically and replaced with the military rule that the revolution was against i.e. back to square one for Egypt.

    Some Muslims seem inherently incapable of running a democracy!
    Sadly one has to agree with you.

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    Libya news

    The US embassy has shut in the Libyan capital Tripoli due to security concerns, the state department says.

    Embassy staff were evacuated to neighbouring Tunisia "due to the ongoing violence resulting from clashes between Libyan militias," it adds.

    The state department has also issued a travel warning urging US nationals not to go to Libya.

    It comes amid fierce clashes between rival militias in the capital, with recent fighting at Tripoli airport.

    Libya has been gripped by instability since the 2011 uprising, with swathes of the country controlled by militias.

    State department spokeswoman Marie Harf said the withdrawal "underscored the Obama administration's concern about the heightened risk to American diplomats abroad".

    US ambassador Christopher Stevens and three other Americans were killed in an attack on the US consulate in Benghazi in September 2012.

    The US embassy in Tripoli was already operating on limited staffing. All remaining personnel were driven overland to Tunisia in the early hours of Saturday, Ms Harf said.

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    Re: US shuts embassy in Libya due to militia clashes

    It is because of the US's policies in the Middle East that the region has become a hotbed for sectarian militancy.

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    Indian nurses trapped in Libya want to return

    A group of 65 Indian nurses trapped in the fighting engulfing parts of Libya want to return home, officials say.

    The nurses are stranded in the capital, Tripoli, where a week of fighting has left 97 people dead and 404 injured.

    More than 1,000 Indians work in Tripoli and Benghazi, where troops loyal to the Libyan government and Islamist fighters have clashed.

    Earlier this month, 46 Indian nurses trapped in fighting in parts of Iraq returned home after being freed.

    Many of the nurses trapped in Libya are from the southern Indian state of Kerala.

    P Sudeep, a senior official of Kerala's Non-Resident Keralites' Affairs department, told the BBC Hindi's Imran Qureshi that 120 nurses "and other [Indian] workers" from Libya had called their department, and sought to return home.

    "Of these, 65 nurses have said they want to return immediately."

    Kerala Chief Minister Oomen Chandy said he had spoken to the federal Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj and "requested her to [arrange the] evacuation of all those who want to return".

    "The main problem is the Tripoli airport is closed. The closest airport, Mitiga, is 15km (9.3 miles) away. Our request is to send a special flight to Mitiga airport and get all Indians back,'' Mr Chandy said.

    Mr Chandy said more than 350 Indian nurses and other staff were working at a medical centre in Tripoli.

    In 2011, the Indian government carried out a "mammoth operation" involving planes and ships to evacuate thousands of nationals from conflict-hit Libya.

    Militias controlling large parts of the country are behind Libya's worst violence since the 2011 uprising that toppled Col Muammar Gaddafi.

    On Sunday, France and Germany joined the US and UK in advising their nationals in Libya to leave immediately.

    On Saturday, the US evacuated its embassy in Tripoli, citing a "real risk" because of the fighting. Earlier this week, the UN also announced it was withdrawing all its staff from Libya.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-28519940

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    Re: Indian nurses trapped in Libya want to return

    Quote Originally Posted by ManojKumar View Post
    A group of 65 Indian nurses trapped in the fighting engulfing parts of Libya want to return home, officials say.

    The nurses are stranded in the capital, Tripoli, where a week of fighting has left 97 people dead and 404 injured.

    More than 1,000 Indians work in Tripoli and Benghazi, where troops loyal to the Libyan government and Islamist fighters have clashed.

    Earlier this month, 46 Indian nurses trapped in fighting in parts of Iraq returned home after being freed.

    Many of the nurses trapped in Libya are from the southern Indian state of Kerala.

    P Sudeep, a senior official of Kerala's Non-Resident Keralites' Affairs department, told the BBC Hindi's Imran Qureshi that 120 nurses "and other [Indian] workers" from Libya had called their department, and sought to return home.

    "Of these, 65 nurses have said they want to return immediately."

    Kerala Chief Minister Oomen Chandy said he had spoken to the federal Foreign Minister Sushma Swaraj and "requested her to [arrange the] evacuation of all those who want to return".

    "The main problem is the Tripoli airport is closed. The closest airport, Mitiga, is 15km (9.3 miles) away. Our request is to send a special flight to Mitiga airport and get all Indians back,'' Mr Chandy said.

    Mr Chandy said more than 350 Indian nurses and other staff were working at a medical centre in Tripoli.

    In 2011, the Indian government carried out a "mammoth operation" involving planes and ships to evacuate thousands of nationals from conflict-hit Libya.

    Militias controlling large parts of the country are behind Libya's worst violence since the 2011 uprising that toppled Col Muammar Gaddafi.

    On Sunday, France and Germany joined the US and UK in advising their nationals in Libya to leave immediately.

    On Saturday, the US evacuated its embassy in Tripoli, citing a "real risk" because of the fighting. Earlier this week, the UN also announced it was withdrawing all its staff from Libya.

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-india-28519940
    All these Middle East countries (Iraq, Libya, Egypt etc) are screwed up right now, I would not advise any Indian, ESP non-Muslim Indian to go there.

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    Amr Moussa hints at Egypt incursion into Libya‏



    At least 35 bodies have been recovered from a Libyan military base that was overrun by Islamist-led militias, the Libyan Red Crescent says.

    The special forces base in Benghazi was captured on Tuesday, after two days of intense fighting.

    Libya has been gripped by a wave of violence involving the militias that spearheaded the 2011 uprising against Muammar Gaddafi.

    The new parliament is reportedly going to hold an emergency meeting this week.

    The parliament, elected late last month, was due to have met in Benghazi on 4 August.

    However it will now meet on Saturday in the city of Tobruk, some 200 km (125 miles) east of Benghazi, the AFP new agency reports.

    Abu Badr Biira, an MP quoted by the agency, said the venue for the meeting had been changed "in light of the dangerous situation".

    Many Western governments - including the UK, France, Germany and the US - have already asked their citizens to leave the country. Several have also evacuated their embassies.



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    An officer from the special forces unit in Benghazi told reporters on Tuesday that the base was abandoned after heavy shelling.

    On Wednesday, Red Crescent spokesman Mohamed al-Misrati told the AFP news agency that 35 bodies had been recovered at the base.

    "But there are more," he is quoted as saying.

    Reuters news agency reports that 75 bodies have been found since the fall of the Benghazi base, most of them soldiers.

    At least 97 people have also been killed in fighting between militias battling for control of Tripoli's main airport in the past week.

    The government has blamed clashes between the armed groups for starting a fire at a Tripoli fuel depot, and for preventing firefighters from putting out the blaze.

    The militias reportedly agreed a ceasefire on Wednesday to allow the blaze to be brought under control.

    Separately on Wednesday, a Filipino nurse was kidnapped and raped in Tripoli, the AFP news agency reports, quoting medical and security officials.

    A Libyan health ministry spokesman, quoted by the agency, said Filipino staff working at hospitals in Tripoli were preparing to leave following the incident.
    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-28569698

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    Re: 'Dozens of bodies' at captured base in Benghazi, Libya

    Looks like Iraq number 2 all over again. I must say, Libya was in much conditions when Gaddafi was in power, just like Iraq was when under Saddam; even though both were brutal dictators, but the situation in Iraq and Libya is unfathomable right now.

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    Re: 'Dozens of bodies' at captured base in Benghazi, Libya

    Ansar al Sharia, allies seize Libyan special forces base in Benghazi


    After days of intense fighting against Libyan government forces, Ansar al Sharia and its allies have seized an important special forces base in Benghazi.

    Ansar al Sharia, which is notorious for its role in the Sept. 11, 2012 terrorist attack on the US Mission and Annex, is fighting under the umbrella of the "Benghazi Revolutionaries Shura Council." The council, an alliance of multiple groups, released a statement today saying that the base, known as Camp Thunderbolt, had fallen to its forces. The news was confirmed by a Libyan army official, according to Agence France Presse (AFP).

    On its official Twitter feed, Ansar al Sharia has posted a video of its leader in Benghazi, Mohammad Ali al Zahawi, discussing his group's "victory." (The video can be viewed at the beginning of this article.) The group also posted photos of the weapons, or "booty," it has taken into possession, as well as scenes from the assault on the base.

    Ansar al Sharia says the capture of the base is a defeat for General Khalifa Hiftar, who launched a campaign, named "Operation Dignity," against Islamist and jihadist militants in Benghazi in May. AFP notes that the Libyan special forces that operated the camp "are one of the units of Libya's regular armed forces that support" Hiftar, "but have not placed themselves under his command."

    In the video posted by Ansar al Sharia, Zahawi portrays the clash as a struggle against Hiftar's forces, while also offering to welcome defectors from the Libyan army.

    "Naturally, first and foremost, we are here specifically in the city of Benghazi and in Libya generally for this conquest and victory to eliminate the biggest den of what is called Operation Dignity," Zahawi says.

    Zahawi portrays Hiftar's campaign as enabling the West to operate in Libya, but claims that the Libyan people are rejecting this effort. The "people of Benghazi and the youth of Benghazi, due to their keenness and protection of this city, all answered the call and the journey continues," Zahawi says.

    Zahawi says that "whoever returns" to Ansar al Sharia's ideology will be forgiven for opposing the group and for previously adhering to a version of Islam the group disapproves of. "Even the members of the Special Forces and even Abu Khamada, whoever returns and renounces his misguidance, we have no problem with him," Zahawi claims. Abu Khamada is the special forces colonel who withdrew his forces from the base after coming under heavy fire and sustaining casualties.

    The photos below were posted on Ansar al Sharia's official Twitter feed and show the weapons seized at the base, as well as scenes from the assault on the compound.




    http://www.longwarjournal.org/archiv...haria_alli.php

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    Amr Moussa hints at Egypt incursion into Libya‏

    The Egyptian government should consider a military solution for the unrest in Libya, Amr Moussa said in a statement issued Sunday.

    The former Egyptian foreign minister raised speculation that Egypt is considering an armed incursion into Libya, where fierce fighting continues between rebel groups and security forces.

    The current unrest in Libya, Egypt’s neigbour to the west, poses threats to Egyptian national security, the statement added.

    "The situation in Libya is a major concern for Egypt, Libya's neighboring countries, and the Arab world at large," Moussa said.

    "Statelets, sects and extremist factions in Libya directly threaten Egypt's national security. I call for a broad public debate to sensitize public opinion to the risks, and to build the necessary support in case we have to exercise our right to self-defence."

    Egypt's foreign affairs spokesman declined to comment on Moussa's statement.

    These remarks are given great weight considering Moussa’s high profile in Egyptian politics, in addition to his close ties with President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi. His statements are an indicator that an Egyptian military operation in Libya is on the table.

    "Libya burns, and Egypt approaches a military solution", al-Masry al-Youm, one of Egypt’s largest private newspapers, printed as a headline.

    Security analyst and former army officer Khaled Okasha is one critic of the intervention. "A seasoned politician should know the limits of state intervention in other countries, even if they represent a threat to us," he told al-Watan newspaper in comment to Moussa’s remarks.

    Moussa's statement is in-conjunction with Egypt’s concern over fighting in Libya, which has been exacerbated by the killing of 21 Egyptian soldiers last month in a checkpoint on the Egyptian-Libyan border.

    Egyptian concerns have deepened after 13,000 Egyptian migrant workers fled to Libya's Tunisian border in recent days, many with frightening stories of their treatment by Libyan militias.

    The unrest has solidified Sisi’s position in Egypt as his supporters believe stern leadership is the only alternative to the chaos seen in states like Libya and Syria, even if it comes at the cost of everyday freedoms.

    Another government source said they knew of no immediate plans to intervene in Libya.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...-in-Libya.html

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    Re: Amr Moussa hints at Egypt incursion into Libya‏

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    The Egyptian government should consider a military solution for the unrest in Libya, Amr Moussa said in a statement issued Sunday.

    The former Egyptian foreign minister raised speculation that Egypt is considering an armed incursion into Libya, where fierce fighting continues between rebel groups and security forces.

    The current unrest in Libya, Egypt’s neigbour to the west, poses threats to Egyptian national security, the statement added.

    "The situation in Libya is a major concern for Egypt, Libya's neighboring countries, and the Arab world at large," Moussa said.

    "Statelets, sects and extremist factions in Libya directly threaten Egypt's national security. I call for a broad public debate to sensitize public opinion to the risks, and to build the necessary support in case we have to exercise our right to self-defence."

    Egypt's foreign affairs spokesman declined to comment on Moussa's statement.

    These remarks are given great weight considering Moussa’s high profile in Egyptian politics, in addition to his close ties with President Abdel Fatah al-Sisi. His statements are an indicator that an Egyptian military operation in Libya is on the table.

    "Libya burns, and Egypt approaches a military solution", al-Masry al-Youm, one of Egypt’s largest private newspapers, printed as a headline.

    Security analyst and former army officer Khaled Okasha is one critic of the intervention. "A seasoned politician should know the limits of state intervention in other countries, even if they represent a threat to us," he told al-Watan newspaper in comment to Moussa’s remarks.

    Moussa's statement is in-conjunction with Egypt’s concern over fighting in Libya, which has been exacerbated by the killing of 21 Egyptian soldiers last month in a checkpoint on the Egyptian-Libyan border.

    Egyptian concerns have deepened after 13,000 Egyptian migrant workers fled to Libya's Tunisian border in recent days, many with frightening stories of their treatment by Libyan militias.

    The unrest has solidified Sisi’s position in Egypt as his supporters believe stern leadership is the only alternative to the chaos seen in states like Libya and Syria, even if it comes at the cost of everyday freedoms.

    Another government source said they knew of no immediate plans to intervene in Libya.

    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/News...-in-Libya.html
    Libya is getting very unstable again, even Pakistan is taking out all of its people out of the country, I think something bad is about to happen in Libya, along the lines of Syria/Iraq.

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    Officials: Egypt Warplanes Bombing Libyan Militias

    Egyptian warplanes are bombing positions held by Islamist militias in the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi as part of a large-scale operation to rid the city of militants who have held sway there for months, two Egyptian government officials said on Wednesday.

    The officials, who have firsthand knowledge of the operation, said the use of the aircraft was part of an Egyptian-led operation against the militiamen that would at a later stage involve Libyan ground troops recently trained by Egyptian forces.

    The operation, they said, had been requested by the internationally recognized Libyan administration based in the eastern city of Tobruk. That elected administration was thrown out of the capital, Tripoli, by rival militias allied with Islamic political factions.

    The officials said the operation also involves the use of an Egyptian navy vessel as a command center off the Mediterranean shore of Tobruk. Renegade Libyan general, Khalifa Hiftar, is not leading the operation, with Egypt dealing directly with a newly appointed Libyan chief of staff, who has visited Egypt several times in recent weeks.

    The operation was expected to last three to six months, said the officials, who spoke to The Associated Press on condition of anonymity because they were not authorized to speak to the media.

    Libyan lawmaker Tareq al-Jorushi confirmed to the AP that Egyptian warplanes were taking part in the ongoing operation in Benghazi, but said that they were being flown by Libyan pilots. He says the planes were "rented" by the Libyan administration from Egypt. Al-Jorushi is also a member of the national security committee in the Tobruk-based parliament.

    Libya has been mired in turmoil since the ouster of longtime ruler Moammar Gadhafi's regime in 2011, with militias operating with impunity and the government unable to rein them in. In recent months, the militias in Tripoli and Benghazi swept through the two coastal cities, defeating anti-Islamist forces, setting up their own government and reviving an old parliament.

    Egypt, which has publicly stated its support of the elected administration based in Tobruk, views the presence of hard-line extremists near its western border as a direct national security threat. It had made no secret of its willingness to offer military support to the Tobruk-based government, saying it would train and arm its forces.

    Egypt's direct military involvement, however, reinforces the notion that Libya has become a proxy battleground for larger regional struggles, with Turkey and Qatar backing the Islamist militias while Egypt, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab emirates are supporting their opponents.

    Earlier on Wednesday, a top Islamic militia commander based in Benghazi accused the Egyptian government of sending warplanes to hit his group's positions.

    "We have photographs of the Egyptian warplanes and Egyptian naval forces stationed in eastern cities," he told the AP. He said the planes were taking off from an airport in Libya's eastern city of Bayda.

    "The Egyptians are bombing us day and night and only want to seed divisions among us here so people point guns at each other," he said, speaking on condition of anonymity for fear of retribution.

    U.S. officials confirmed in the summer that Egyptian and UAE warplanes bombed militias' position in and near Tripoli. Egypt denied involvement, while the UAE said nothing publicly.
    http://abcnews.go.com/International/...-kill-26208479

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    Turkey and Qatar backing them?

    So whenever these idiots start a conflict(UAE/Egypt plus Hafter started the current conflict in 2013) the media twists the whole reality around and tries to portray it as a Qatar/Turkey scheme.

    This is unreal, anyone who opposes their hegemony of collaborator rule is a dangerous 'Turkey/Qatar' proxy.

    Egypt is getting itself involved in a mess. It's unfortunate the Egyptian army/people continue to suffer at behest of wealthy elite making these decisions which might get Egypt/Libya into a skirmish.
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    Re: Officials: Egypt Warplanes Bombing Libyan Militias

    Who cares,remember i told you MB is not finished with Sisi yet,i could even say;they have just started.
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    Re: Officials: Egypt Warplanes Bombing Libyan Militias

    Quote Originally Posted by T-123456 View Post
    Who cares,remember i told you MB is not finished with Sisi yet,i could even say;they have just started.
    They are a long way before they are finished
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    Conflict in Libya

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    Looks like there are clashes in Benghazi now and some rumors that Egyptian armed forces on ground plus US special forces fighting opposition fighters after extended coup campaign led by America worshippers/Arab secularist dictators.

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    Re: Conflict in Libya

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...officials.html

    Egyptian warplanes are flying bombing raids over the eastern Libyan city of Benghazi, targeting positions held by Islamist militants, two unnamed Egyptian officials said on Wednesday.

    They said the raids were part of an Egyptian-led operation that would later involve Libyan ground troops recently trained by Egyptian forces.

    However, the Egyptian government later denied that its planes were being used for such a purpose.

    The bombing raids were reportedly part of a large-scale operation to rid the city of militants who have established a foothold there.

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    Re: Conflict in Libya

    http://www.aljazeera.com/news/middle...237264895.html

    Forces loyal to Khalifa Haftar, a former Libyan general, have relaunched a bid to reclaim Libya’s second city Benghazi from Islamist fighters, amid reports of assistance from Egypt and support from Libya’s recognised government.

    Sources told Al Jazeera that gunfire and explosions were heard early on Wednesday and that aircraft belonging to Haftar's forces were striking targets around the eastern city.

    Witnesses said tanks and jets had targeted the February 17 Martyrs Brigade, a rival to Haftar's forces which operates in parts of Benghazi.

    The group is part of the Shura Council of Benghazi Revolutionaries, a military coalition allied with the al-Qaeda-linked armed group Ansar al-Sharia and control most of the city.

    Egypt accused

    The fighting came amid unconfirmed reports that Egypt had put its weight behind Haftar's troops in its bid to "liberate" Benghazi.

    This clearly shows a direct and blatant interference by the governments of Egypt and the UAE. We hope that the brothers in the UAE and Egypt learn from the previous mistakes and stop meddling in our affairs.

    Abdul Rahman Sweihli, Libyan politician

    The Associated Press news agency quoted two Egyptian government officials as saying that Egyptian fighter jets were bombing positions of Islamist militias in Benghazi.

    The officials, who have firsthand knowledge of the operation, said the use of the aircraft was part of an Egyptian-led operation against the fighters that would at a later stage involve Libyan ground troops recently trained by Egyptian forces, AP said.

    Libyan politician Abdul Rahman Sweihli backed the accusations against Egypt, saying that the Libyan air force was not capable of the attacks that Benghazi was witnessing.

    "We know very well the limited power of the Libyan air force and we know it is quite impossible for the Libyan air force to shell the city of Benghazi and another areas on a daily basis," Sweihli told Al Jazeera from Tripoli.

    "This is way above what they are capable of. This clearly shows a direct and blatant interference by the governments of Egypt and the UAE.

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    Re: Libya conflict

    [MENTION=8610]Falcon29[/MENTION]

    All Libya news merged into a single thread.
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    Re: Libya conflict

    After the military/intelligence support to Haftar and his militias by Egypt/UAE/US/EU/Israel failed and back fired now they urge a political solution.

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    http://www.bbc.com/news/world-africa-29679488

    The US and four European allies - Britain, France, Germany and Italy - have called for an immediate end to the fighting in Libya.

    In a statement, they said there was "no military solution" to the crisis.

    Dozens of people have recently been killed in the eastern city of Benghazi in fighting between Islamist rebels and government forces.

    Libya has been in a state of flux since Colonel Muammar Gaddafi was overthrown in 2011.

    The statement said that Libya's hard-fought freedom was at risk if country continued to be a safe haven for Libyan and international 'terrorist' groups.

    It continued, saying that the country's security challenges could only be addressed by regular armed forces accountable to a democratic government.

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    Listen you Romanian Barbarians, this is our country and we choose Islam as our constitution. Mind your own business back home, there is no going back to your colonialist status quo. No matter what you do, Islamists will increase, and your intervention just accelerates that process. You must understand that we will not expect a colonialist hegemony over our region that is intended to rape/pillage our people/resources and protect Israel so it can commit atrociious abuses against international law. Pack your bags and go back to your original homes there is no place for you terrorists in our land.

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