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    Funny Solomon picks up on this story and disregards the stories where the Jewish beat children and women up dismissing such news stories as nonsense. Double standards as always
    This selective reporting by him has lost him respect. He avoids, on occasion bad news that in turn makes Israel look like the aggressor land grabbing slut it is, making his target audience go even more anti Israel.
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    This selective reporting by him has lost him respect. He avoids, on occasion bad news that in turn makes Israel look like the aggressor land grabbing slut it is, making his target audience go even more anti Israel.
    I think I understand now why Turkey was able to do a U-turn in its Israel policy and Pakistan has not.

    The Turks always knew that the Jews of Israel were in the right, both legally and morally. The establishment of "Palestine" as the Jewish National Home had, after all, been explicitly endorsed by the Ottoman Sultan. So the Turks always knew that Erdogan's anti-Israel stance was a luxury or political pose.

    Pakistanis, on the other hand, have a negative view of Israel that's forced upon them by their Establishment. You guys actually believe all the anti-Israel stuff, or if you don't believe in it you won't stick your necks out to do the right thing and correct your countrymen.
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    This selective reporting by him has lost him respect. He avoids, on occasion bad news that in turn makes Israel look like the aggressor land grabbing slut it is, making his target audience go even more anti Israel.
    He will be depressed today. His posts of persuasion don't work and that must hurt him

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    this is really bad news for every muslims

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    Palestinians: Western Media's Ignorance and Bias
    by Khaled Abu Toameh
    January 21, 2016 at 5:00 am

    http://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/72...-western-media



    • Foreign journalists based in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv have for years refused to report on the financial corruption and human rights violations that are rife under the Palestinian Authority (PA) and Hamas regimes. Palestinian "suffering" and the "evil" of the Israeli "occupation" are the only admissible topics.


    • Another Ramallah-based colleague shared that a few years ago he received a request from a cub correspondent to help arrange an interview with Yasser Arafat. Except at that point, Arafat had been dead for several years. Fresh out of journalism school and unknowledgeable about the Middle East, the journalist was apparently considered by his editors a fine candidate for covering the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


    • Western reporters would do well to remember that journalism in this region is not about being pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian. Rather, it is about being "pro" the truth, even when the truth runs straight up against what they would prefer to believe.



    Two Western journalists recently asked to be accompanied to the Gaza Strip to interview Jewish settlers living there.


    No, this is not the opening line of a joke. These journalists were in Israel at the end of 2015, and they were deadly serious.


    Imagine their embarrassment when it was pointed out to them that Israel had completely pulled out of the Gaza Strip ten years ago.


    You have to have some pity for them. These foreign colleagues were rookies who aimed to make an impression by traveling to a "dangerous" place such as the Gaza Strip to report on the "settlers" living there. Their request, however, did not take anyone, even my local colleagues, by surprise.


    These "parachute journalists," as they are occasionally called, are catapulted into the region without being briefed on the basic facts of the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. Sadly, correspondents such as these are more the rule than the exception. A particular clueless British reporter springs to mind:


    When Israel assassinated Hamas's founder and spiritual leader, Ahmed Yassin, in 2004, a British newspaper dispatched its crime reporter to Jerusalem to cover the event. To this reporter, the region, as well as Hamas, were virgin territory. His editors had sent him to the Middle East, he said, because no one else was willing to go.


    Well, our hero reported on the assassination of Ahmed Yassin from the bar of the American Colony Hotel. His byline claimed that he was in the Gaza Strip and had interviewed relatives of the slain leader of Hamas.


    Sometimes one feels as if one is some sort of a lightning rod for these tales. Another Ramallah-based colleague shared that a few years ago he received a request from a cub correspondent to help arrange an interview with Yasser Arafat. Except at that point, Arafat had been dead for several years. Fresh out of journalism school and unknowledgeable about the Middle East, the journalist was apparently considered by his editors a fine candidate for covering the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


    In the three decades of covering this beat, journalists of this type have become quite familiar to me. They board a plane, read an article or two in the Times and feel ready to be experts on the Israeli-Palestinian conflict.


    Some of them have even assured me that before 1948 there was a Palestinian state here with East Jerusalem as its capital. Like the ill-informed young colleagues who wished to interview the nonexistent Jewish settlers in the Gaza Strip of 2015, they were somewhat taken aback to learn that prior to 1967, the West Bank had been under the control of Jordan, while the Gaza Strip had been ruled by Egypt.


    Is there some difference between an Arab citizen of Israel and a Palestinian from the West Bank or Gaza Strip? My foreign colleagues may well not be able to say. Does the Hamas charter really state that the Islamist movement seeks to replace Israel with an Islamic empire? If so, my international co-workers may not be able to tell you.


    One memorable journalist, several years ago, asked to visit the "destroyed" city of Jenin, where "thousands of Palestinians had been massacred by Israel in 2002." She was referring to the IDF operation in the Jenin refugee camp where nearly 60 Palestinians, many of them gunmen, and 23 IDF soldiers were killed in a battle.


    Pity aside, this degree of incomprehension -- and professional laziness -- is difficult to imagine in the Internet age.


    But when it comes to covering the Israeli-Palestinian conflict, ignorance apparently is bliss. Misconceptions about what goes on here plague the international media. The binary good guy/bad guy designation tops the list. Someone has to be the good guy (the Palestinians are assigned that job) and someone has to be the bad guy (the Israelis get that one). And everything gets refracted through that prism.


    Yet the problem is deeper still. Many Western journalists covering the Middle East do not feel the need to conceal their hatred for Israel and for Jews. But when it comes to the Palestinians, these journalists see no evil. Foreign journalists based in Jerusalem and Tel Aviv have for years refused to report on the financial corruption and human rights violations that are rife under the Palestinian Authority (PA) and Hamas regimes. They possibly fear being considered "Zionist agents" or "propagandists" for Israel.


    Finally, there are the local journalists hired by Western reporters and media outlets to help the cover the conflict. These journalists may refuse to cooperate on any story that is deemed "anti-Palestinian." Palestinian "suffering" and the "evil" of the Israeli "occupation" are the only admissible topics. Western journalists, for their part, are keen not to anger their Palestinian colleagues: they do not wish to be denied access to Palestinian sources.


    Thus, the international media's indifference in the face of the current wave of stabbings and car-rammings against Israelis should come as no surprise. One would be hard-pressed to find a Western journalist or a media organization referring to Palestinian assailants as "terrorists." In fact, international headlines often show more sympathy toward Palestinian attackers who are killed in the line of aggression than toward the Israelis who were attacked in the first place.


    Of course, the above tales hardly apply to all foreign journalists. Some correspondents from the US, Canada, Australia and Europe are both very knowledgeable and very fair. Unfortunately, however, these represent but a small group among mainstream media in the West.


    Western reporters, especially those who are "parachuted" into the Middle East, would do well to remember that journalism in this region is not about being pro-Israel or pro-Palestinian. Rather, it is about being "pro" the truth, even when the truth runs straight up against what they would prefer to believe.
    Khaled Abu Toameh is an award-winning journalist based in Jerusalem.
    “Real peace cannot ever happen while the world allows itself to be taken hostage by lies.” — Elder of Ziyon

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    Re: Israeli Palestininian conflict



    Thursday, February 04, 2016

    Two Arabs tried to burn a bunch of Jews to death today. Good luck finding the news story.



    Arab media is all over the story of a Molotov cocktail being thrown at a small bus of Jews and igniting it.

    I couldn't find the Hebrew website that these photos were taken from. (UPDATE: Here's one that reported the story, h/t Dorith.)

    This attempted mass murder is no big deal to Israelis, and therefore the English language Israeli media ignore these daily terror attacks - and the international reporters aren't even aware.

    Here are photos of the burned bus:







    Apparently, Israeli forces arrested two men, a 25 and a 23 year old. Again, this is in Arab media which are very proud of every attack on every Jew.

    But the world never hears about it.


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    Israeli troops kill Palestinian stone-thrower in WB

    Israeli forces have killed a Palestinian teenager during clashes in the southern part of the occupied West Bank, Palestinian health officials say.

    According to medical sources, the 16-year-old youth, identified as Omar Madi, was shot in the chest on Wednesday in al-Arroub refugee camp located north of al-Khalil (Hebron), Palestinian Ma’an news agency reported.

    The clashes erupted after Israeli soldiers "spotted a number of boys throwing stones at Israeli vehicles at route 60 near al-Arroub refugee camp," the agency quoted an Israeli army spokesman as saying.

    “The soldiers responded with riot dispersal means and shot one of the demonstrators with live fire,” the spokesman added.

    Locals said Israeli forces used tear gas, rubber-coated steel bullets and live fire during clashes in the camp.

    The teen was taken to hospital where he succumbed to his wounds.

    Al-Arroub refugee camp lies along Route 60, a major West Bank road that illegal Israeli settlers regularly use to get access to a number of illegal settlements in al-Khalil. The site has seen frequent clashes between Palestinians and Israeli forces over the past several months.

    On February 5, Israeli soldiers killed a 14-year-old Palestinian and detained another along the route, accusing the pair of trying to hurl Molotov cocktails at passing cars.

    Al-Khalil along with the towns and villages in its vicinity has been a frequent scene of skirmishes since a fresh wave of unrest began in the occupied Palestinian territories early October 2015. The clashes broke out after Palestinians protested plans by Israelis to change the status quo of the al-Aqsa Mosque and its surrounding compound, a highly revered place for the Muslims across the world.

    More than 170 Palestinians have been killed and hundreds more injured in the clashes across the West Bank, Gaza and East al-Quds (Jerusalem).

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    Wednesday, February 10, 2016

    UNRWA offices torched by grateful Palestinians



    Dafaa News reports that an UNRWA office in Shuafat was torched on Monday night.






    No details on why the Palestinians are so grateful to the agency that has given them billions of dollars for free.

    This news of Arabs torching a UN agency has been silenced. UNRWA of course doesn't mention it (I emailed them for comment, no response.) I could not find this story anywhere else in Arab media.

    How many other similar stories just disappear because no one has any interest in publicizing them?

    (h/t Yenta)



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    Shunning Israeli goods to become criminal offence for public bodies and student union

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    Israel boycott ban: Shunning Israeli goods to become criminal offence for public bodies and student unions

    Critics say move amounts to a 'gross attack on democratic freedoms'


    Local councils, public bodies and even some university student unions are to be banned by law from boycotting “unethical” companies, as part of a controversial crackdown being announced by the Government.

    Under the plan all publicly funded institutions will lose the freedom to refuse to buy goods and services from companies involved in the arms trade, fossil fuels, tobacco products or Israeli settlements in the occupied West Bank.

    Any public bodies that continue to pursue boycotts will face “severe penalties”, ministers said.

    Senior government sources said they were cracking down on town-hall boycotts because they “undermined good community relations, poisoned and polarised debate and fuelled anti-Semitism”.

    But critics said the move amounted to a “gross attack on democratic freedoms”.

    A spokesman for the Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn said: “The Government’s decision to ban councils and other public bodies from divesting from trade or investments they regard as unethical is an attack on local democracy.

    “People have the right to elect local representatives able to make decisions free of central government political control. That includes withdrawal of investments or procurement on ethical and human rights grounds.

    “This Government’s ban would have outlawed council action against apartheid South Africa. Ministers talk about devolution, but in practice they’re imposing Conservative Party policies on elected local councils across the board.”

    Significantly, and underlining the main target of the ban, the formal announcement will be made by the Cabinet Office minister Matt Hancock when he visits Israel this week.

    Israeli companies, along with other firms which have investments in the occupied West Bank, have been among those targeted by unofficial boycotts in the past.

    In 2014 Leicester City Council passed a policy to boycott goods produced in Israeli settlements in the West Bank while the Scottish Government published a procurement notice to Scottish councils which “strongly discourages trade and investment from illegal settlements”.

    Under the new rules all contracting authorities including local councils, quangos and universities which receive the majority of their funding from the Government will lose the freedom to take ethical decisions about whom they purchase goods and services from. The only exemption will be UK-wide sanctions decided by the Government in Westminster. Government sources said the ban could also apply to student union boycotts but added this was a “grey area”.

    A spokeswoman for the National Union of Students said they were “concerned by any external pressure that could prevent student unions taking decisions on any issue that affects the students they represent.”

    Mr Hancock said the current position where local authorities had autonomy to make ethical purchasing decisions was “undermining” Britain’s national security.

    “We need to challenge and prevent these divisive town-hall boycotts,” he said.

    “The new guidance on procurement combined with changes we are making to how pension pots can be invested will help prevent damaging and counter-productive local foreign policies undermining our national security.”

    But Amnesty International’s UK economic relations programme director Peter Frankental condemned the move, warning it could encourage human rights violations. The Conservatives have been accused of turning a blind eye to Israeli human rights abuses in the past.

    “All public bodies should assess the social and environment impacts of any company with whom they choose to enter into business relationships,” he said.

    “Where’s the incentive for companies to ensure there are no human rights violations such as slavery in their supply chains, when public bodies cannot hold them to account by refusing to award them contracts?

    “Not only would it be a bad reflection on public bodies to contract with rogue companies, but it would also be bad for responsible businesses that are at risk of being undercut by those that have poor practices.”

    Hugh Lanning, chair of the Palestine Solidarity Campaign, condemned this move as “a gross attack on our democratic freedoms and the independence of public bodies from Government interference”. “As if it is not enough that the UK Government has failed to act when the Israeli government has bombed and killed thousands of Palestinian civilians and stolen their homes and land, the Government is now trying to impose its inaction on all other public bodies,” he said.

    “This makes it clear where this Government stands on international law and human rights. Despite the Government admitting that Israel’s occupation and denial of Palestinian rights is plain wrong and illegal, when it comes to it they will insulate Israel from the consequences of its own actions. It seems that for this UK Government, whatever crimes against international law Israel commits, having a military ally trumps the rights of their own citizens and institutions in this country to support human rights.”

    Boycott background: Unofficial sanctions

    Last April the French-owned multinational water, energy and waste management company Veolia – which collects rubbish for a wide range of British local authorities – announced that it was closing down its operations in Israel.

    The decision followed a concerted campaign to persuade it to halt its work in West Bank settlements, during which the Labour-controlled Birmingham council became at least the third to warn Veolia that it might not renew its £35m-a-year waste disposal contract when it ran out in 2019, if the company continued to operate in the occupied West Bank.

    In November 2014, Leicester City Council passed a policy to boycott goods produced in Israeli settlements in the West Bank. Jewish groups have recently launched a judicial review of the council’s decision, claiming that it “amounts to a get-of-out-town order to Leicester Jews”.

    In August 2014, the Scottish Government published a procurement notice to Scottish councils which “strongly discourages trade and investment from illegal settlements”, though conceding that decisions needed to be taken on a case by case basis. Four Scottish councils have resolved to boycott Israeli goods: Clackmannanshire, Midlothian, Stirling and West Dunbartonshire.

    Last December two Welsh councils performed a U-turn on their decision to boycott Israeli goods after court proceedings were issued by Jewish Human Rights Watch. Gwynedd County Council and Swansea City Council said the motions had been non-binding and had now otherwise been superseded.

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    Re: Israeli Palestininian conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon2 View Post

    Wednesday, February 10, 2016

    UNRWA offices torched by grateful Palestinians



    Dafaa News reports that an UNRWA office in Shuafat was torched on Monday night.






    No details on why the Palestinians are so grateful to the agency that has given them billions of dollars for free.

    This news of Arabs torching a UN agency has been silenced. UNRWA of course doesn't mention it (I emailed them for comment, no response.) I could not find this story anywhere else in Arab media.

    How many other similar stories just disappear because no one has any interest in publicizing them?

    (h/t Yenta)



    Nice bloggy source Solly. Seems weird that they torched it. Maybe its a false flagger and a Jewish conspiracy heaven forbid!!

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