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    Why the Palestinians Keep Killing


    JONATHAN S. TOBIN / NOV. 19, 2015

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    What if the supposed cause of terrorism against Israel were based on a lie? That’s the awful fact that was exposed yesterday by none other than Palestinian Authority leader Mahmoud Abbas. In an interview with Israel’s Channel 10,Abbas admitted that in 2008 he flatly rejected an offer of statehood from Israel that would have given him control of almost all the West Bank and a share of Jerusalem as well as Gaza. While fascinating, the revelation — this is the first time he has owned up to the truth about what happened during the negotiations that took place during the last months of the Bush administration — is of more than historical interest. It also undermines the premise of the case against Israel used by critics that claim its policies are the obstacle to peace in the Middle East...
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    because cockroaches keep stealing land.

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    Israeli forces kill another Palestinian in occupied Quds



    Another Palestinian has been killed by Israeli forces in a fresh round of violence in the occupied city of al-Quds (Jerusalem).

    In a statement on Monday, the Israeli military said that its forces had shot two Palestinian women in a marketplace in the occupied city, killing one and injuring the other.

    The statement said the incident happened on Jaffa Street. It said the women reportedly attacked Israelis with scissors.

    More than 90 Palestinians have been killed over the past weeks as protests continue across the occupied territories over increasing attacks by the Israeli settlers and a plan by the Tel Aviv regime to change the status quo of the al-Aqsa Mosque compound, a highly revered site for the Muslims across the world.

    The latest spate of Israeli violence against Palestinians began in Quds but later expanded into the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip.

    Israelis said late on Sunday they had shot dead a Palestinian man in a similar case near the illegal Israeli settlement bloc of Gush Etzion, north of Bethlehem. Palestine’s Ma'an agency said the 34-year-old Issa Thawabta was shot at the scene when he attacked an Israeli settler in the area.

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    Israeli forces kill another Palestinian in occupied Quds

    Another Palestinian has been killed by Israeli forces in a fresh round of violence in the occupied city of al-Quds (Jerusalem)...

    Girls commit Jerusalem stabbing attack

    Terror returns to Jerusalem as Palestinians, 14 and 16, attack passersby with scissors near the city's market, before being neutralized by police. Forces checking possibility of vehicular attack near Homesh.
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    Published: 11.23.15, 11:19 / Israel News




    [COLOR=#000000][FONT=Arial]Two female terrorists aged 14 and 16 wielding scissors stabbed an elderly Palestinian in Jerusalem's Mahane Yehuda market on Monday morning.

    One terrorist was shot dead by security forces and the other was moderately wounded. Two people were lightly wounded in the attack, an 80-year-old who suffered head wounds, and a 27-year-old wounded in his hand. The 80-year-old victim of the attack was later reported to be a Palestinian resident of Betlehem. The 27-year-old may have been wounded by a ricochet from a bullet.



    The terrorist who was killed was later identified by Palestinian sources as 14-year-old Hadil Wajiya Awad from the Qalandyia refugee camp. The reports mentioned that Awad's brother had been wounded in clashes with Israeli troops in 2013 and later succumbed to his wounds at an area hospital.

    The other terrorist, who was seriously wounded, was identified as Norhin Awad, Hadil's cousin.

    Soon after the attack, an apparent vehicular attack occurred near Shavei Shomron in the West Bank, wounding one. Security forces were investigating whether the incident was an accident or a deliberate attack.

    The last attack to take place in the city was two weeks ago, when two Palestinians aged 11 and 14 stabbed a security guard on Jerusalem's light rail in the Pisgat Ze'ev neighborhood. In accordance with legal precendents, the younger of the two won't be prosecuted due to his age.




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    Quote Originally Posted by manuu View Post
    because cockroaches keep stealing land.
    One of the hardest things for a Muslim to do is to admit when, in a dispute between Muslim and Jew, the Jew is right and the Muslim is wrong. Yet failing to do so is failing to uphold morals, warping the mind and en masse bringing about the political and social decay of society.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon2 View Post
    One of the hardest things for a Muslim to do is to admit when, in a dispute between Muslim and Jew, the Jew is right and the Muslim is wrong. Yet failing to do so is failing to uphold morals, warping the mind and en masse bringing about the political and social decay of society.
    but you fail to comprehend it takes 2 to tango. Netanyahu and Zionists are no angels. Their mindset and objectives have pushed Palestinians to the brink and they have resorted to lowering to the Israeli levels. Do you want me to put up dozens of atrocities committed by Israelis? Or do you want to continue seeing things from your Jewish tinted sunglasses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstar View Post
    but you fail to comprehend it takes 2 to tango. Netanyahu and Zionists are no angels. Their mindset and objectives have pushed Palestinians to the brink -
    Angels or not, it's been the Arabs own mindset that has pushed them to the brink. You know what their education is like.


    Do you want me to put up dozens of atrocities committed by Israelis?
    I think you're perfectly aware that the Arabs encourage the commission of genuine atrocities whereas 99.99% of claims of Israeli atrocities are just fluff, while the remainder are acknowledged, rejected, and prosecuted by the Jews themselves.

    ...do you want to continue seeing things from your Jewish tinted sunglasses.
    "People are entitled to their own opinion but not their own facts." - late Senator and former U.N. ambassador Daniel Patrick Moynihan.

    And facts, sir, are things as they really are, not necessarily what a Muslim claims them to be.
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    US anthropologists back Israel boycott in landslide vote

    Members of the American Anthropological Association (AAA) have overwhelmingly endorsed a resolution backing the Palestinian call for the boycott of Israeli academic institutions.

    The measure passed at the association’s annual meeting in Denver on Friday by 1,040 votes in favor to 136 against.

    It must now be ratified in a referendum of the association’s entire membership of 10,000 in April.

    A second resolution condemning the Palestinian-led movement for boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) on Israel was crushed 1,173 to 196.

    “The resolution to be placed on the spring ballot calls for the AAA to refrain from formal collaborations with Israeli academic institutions only and not individual scholars,” the association said in a statement.

    The resolution says the association “endorses and will honor [the] call from Palestinian civil society to boycott Israeli academic institutions until such time as these institutions end their complicity in violating Palestinian rights as stipulated in international law.”

    It cites Israeli universities’ provision of “planning, policy and technological expertise for furthering Palestinian dispossession,” as well as Israel’s systematic violation of academic freedom for Palestinians, including its military attacks on schools and universities.
    “Stand for justice”

    “As heirs to a long tradition of scholarship on colonialism, anthropologists affirm, through this resolution, that the core problem is Israel’s maintenance of a settler colonial regime based on Jewish supremacy and Palestinian dispossession,” Anthropologists for the Boycott of Israeli Academic Institutions said.

    “By supporting the boycott, anthropologists are taking a stand for justice through action in solidarity with Palestinians,” the group of scholars who supported the initiative added.

    They note that Friday’s vote was the result of more than three years of organizing.

    It also marks a significant blow to Israel lobby groups that have stepped up their efforts to combat BDS following the decision of the American Studies Association to adopt the academic boycott in 2013.

    The vote will likely encourage similar efforts in other academic organizations. A discussion on the academic boycott of Israel is, for example, currently taking place within the Modern Language Association.

    Anti-Palestinian activists have been quick to express their dismay. The American Jewish Committee deplored the vote and said the anthropologists had “mistakenly succumbed to the whims of the BDS movement leaders.”
    Palestinian welcome

    Lisa Taraki, a Palestinian sociologist at Birzeit University in the occupied West Bank and a co-founder of the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI), said the anthropology association’s vote “sent a clear message of international solidarity with Palestinians and upheld some of the best values of the profession.”

    “We are certain that this outstanding expression of support for the Palestinian-led BDS movement will further galvanize academics to pursue the institutional boycott of Israel,” said Haidar Eid, a Gaza-based comparative literature professor and PACBI steering committee member.

    “As in the South African anti-apartheid struggle, the boycott of complicit institutions will significantly contribute to the long march towards Palestinian liberation and self-determination,” Eid added.

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    US anthropologists back Israel boycott in landslide vote
    How could anthropologists do their work if locals banned or murdered them for being suspected Zionists? This vote is meant to buy protection.
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    US anthropologists back Israel boycott in landslide vote

    Members of the American Anthropological Association (AAA) have overwhelmingly endorsed a resolution backing the Palestinian call for the boycott of Israeli academic institutions.

    The measure passed at the association’s annual meeting in Denver on Friday by 1,040 votes in favor to 136 against.

    It must now be ratified in a referendum of the association’s entire membership of 10,000 in April.

    A second resolution condemning the Palestinian-led movement for boycott, divestment and sanctions (BDS) on Israel was crushed 1,173 to 196.

    “The resolution to be placed on the spring ballot calls for the AAA to refrain from formal collaborations with Israeli academic institutions only and not individual scholars,” the association said in a statement.

    The resolution says the association “endorses and will honor [the] call from Palestinian civil society to boycott Israeli academic institutions until such time as these institutions end their complicity in violating Palestinian rights as stipulated in international law.”

    It cites Israeli universities’ provision of “planning, policy and technological expertise for furthering Palestinian dispossession,” as well as Israel’s systematic violation of academic freedom for Palestinians, including its military attacks on schools and universities.
    “Stand for justice”

    “As heirs to a long tradition of scholarship on colonialism, anthropologists affirm, through this resolution, that the core problem is Israel’s maintenance of a settler colonial regime based on Jewish supremacy and Palestinian dispossession,” Anthropologists for the Boycott of Israeli Academic Institutions said.

    “By supporting the boycott, anthropologists are taking a stand for justice through action in solidarity with Palestinians,” the group of scholars who supported the initiative added.

    They note that Friday’s vote was the result of more than three years of organizing.

    It also marks a significant blow to Israel lobby groups that have stepped up their efforts to combat BDS following the decision of the American Studies Association to adopt the academic boycott in 2013.

    The vote will likely encourage similar efforts in other academic organizations. A discussion on the academic boycott of Israel is, for example, currently taking place within the Modern Language Association.

    Anti-Palestinian activists have been quick to express their dismay. The American Jewish Committee deplored the vote and said the anthropologists had “mistakenly succumbed to the whims of the BDS movement leaders.”
    Palestinian welcome

    Lisa Taraki, a Palestinian sociologist at Birzeit University in the occupied West Bank and a co-founder of the Palestinian Campaign for the Academic and Cultural Boycott of Israel (PACBI), said the anthropology association’s vote “sent a clear message of international solidarity with Palestinians and upheld some of the best values of the profession.”

    “We are certain that this outstanding expression of support for the Palestinian-led BDS movement will further galvanize academics to pursue the institutional boycott of Israel,” said Haidar Eid, a Gaza-based comparative literature professor and PACBI steering committee member.

    “As in the South African anti-apartheid struggle, the boycott of complicit institutions will significantly contribute to the long march towards Palestinian liberation and self-determination,” Eid added.

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    Israeli Self-inflicted Hate: Hate Crimes Further MANIFESTATE ISRAEL’S CULTURE OF HATE




    Haftom Zarhum, a 29-year-old Eritrean, was lynched by Jewish Israelis simply because he looked different. After being shot in the legs, a mob circled him like hyenas over a bleeding prey throwing a bench over his head and chanting the unofficial Zionist’s anthem of hate: “Death to Arabs, Arabs out!” and “Am Israel Hai”.

    Disowning culpability and playing the traditional victim, Israeli foreign ministry spokesman Emmanuel Nashon blamed the incident on the “terrible situation we are in.”

    At a similar scene, a week earlier, a video showed a despondent Palestinian child lying in a pool of blood. A puzzled appearance engulfed the child’s face as he gazed at a Jewish racist who was screaming “Die, you son of a whore, die.”

    Had Mr Zarhum been an innocent Palestinian bystander, it would have been a different story. Of the approximately 50 Palestinians, who were murdered by the Israeli army, police or Jewish vigilante in the last three weeks, at least 20 were allegedly threatening Israeli life.

    Resisting occupation, by all means, is a right guaranteed by international conventions. Hence, there were instances when desperate Palestinians using basic home tools confronted occupying Israeli soldiers or armed Jewish settlers. But certainly, it wasn’t in all 20 cases.

    It was definitely not in the case of the slain Jew that Israeli soldiers suspected for a Palestinian. Emergency response organisation chairman Yehuda Meshi-Zahav Zaka said, “At first it appeared he was like all others. When I was asked to deal with the body, I realised that he was a Jew, and that he was mistaken for a terrorist (Palestinian).”

    That is why Mr Zarhum’s life had no value. The murderers rightly assumed their actions “like all others,” had no consequences. It was proven more than 20 times in the preceding three weeks when Jewish killers walked free as heroes.

    Israel has two systems of justice. It demolishes homes and revokes “Israeli” citizenship of Palestinians accused of violence. But Jewish terrorists, arrested for burning alive a Palestinian child last year, are celebrated as heroes and continue to own government subsidised homes in Jewish colonies.

    It was discovered that Mr Zarhum – who looked more African than a typical Palestinian – was from Eritrea when someone found his Israeli-issued visa and shouted “he’s Eritrean, he is not a terrorist (Palestinian).” It was already too late to stop the hyenas’ insatiable thirst for blood.

    hate crimes

    Life in Israel is either Jewish or goyim. It’s been established that taking a non-Jewish life is inconsequential. Israel newspaper Yedioth Ahronoth reported in 2013 that Economy and Trade Minister Naftali Bennett boasted, “I have killed lots of Arabs (Palestinians) in my life – and there is no problem with that.”

    As for immigrants, two years ago Israeli Culture Minister Miri Regev called Africans a “cancer in Israel’s body.” She was not alone.

    Following a wave of anti-African demonstrations in Tel Aviv, a poll conducted by the Israel Democracy Institute in 2013 found that 52 per cent of Jews agree with Regev that blacks living in Israel are “a cancer”.

    As to excuse something like Zarhum’s murder, one third of Israelis in that poll agreed, “that unlawful, vigilante violence against non-Jewish African Immigrants is fine with them.” A whopping majority of Jewish Israelis, 83pc, supported anti-African protests.

    Screaming at an injured Palestinian child soaked in blood, a racist mob lynching Zarhum, or killing a Jew who was mistaken for a Palestinian were further manifestations of Israel’s culture of hate. It was espoused by no less than Israeli minister of culture, and supported by the majority of Israelis.

    Hate crimes against the African immigrant by a Jewish mob or the Jew, who was thought to be a Palestinian, were not an exception. The only exception is that they were not just numbers to be added to the more than 50 murdered Palestinians.

    Mr Jamal Kanj (www.jamalkanj.com) writes regualr newspaper column and publishes on several websites on Arab world issues. He is the author of “Children of Catastrophe,” Journey from a Palestinian Refugee Camp to America. A version of this article was first published by the Gulf Daily News newspaper.

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    Israeli Self-inflicted Hate: Hate Crimes Further MANIFESTATE ISRAEL’S CULTURE OF HATE -
    A case of mistaken identity and people's imminent existential fears blown up out of proportion to charge Israelis, rather than Palestinian Arabs, with a "culture of hate".
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    Israel Discusses Collapse of Palestinian Authority

    The Security Cabinet is divided over whether the disappearance of the Abbas regime is good or bad for Israel.

    By: Tzvi Ben-Gedalyahu
    Published: November 27th, 2015



    Abbas has good reason to be worried.
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    The Security Cabinet this week discussed at length the prospect of the collapse of the Palestinian Authority, and ministers are divided over the consequences for Israel, Haaretz reported.

    The discussions lasted for several hours over a period of two days and followed the visit by U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry, who finally has admitted he has “run out of ideas” to achieve his dream-nightmare of a peace agreement between Israel and the Palestinian Authority.

    Mahmoud Abbas reportedly is going to continue with his diplomatic suicide mission of seeking help from the United Nations to censure Israel and to promote the PA becoming a country within Israel’s current borders.

    Abbas apparently is not concerned that Russian presence in Syria and the panic in Western Europe over the Islamic State (ISIS) have pushed his agenda to the bottom of the list of real concerns. He also is not aware that the blatant lies and incitement by his regime have dampened Western enthusiasm for his campaign.

    His increasing loss of legitimacy in the West makes him even more illegitimate among Palestinian Authority Arabs.

    Abbas has thrown broad hints that the PLO might revoke its 1993 de facto recognition of Israel in 1993, and Palestinian Authority media have published several articles that he is thinking of asking the United Nations to protect Arabs from the “occupation.”

    The collapse of the Palestinian Authority is in the cards, either through the resignation of Abbas or through his regime’s impotence.

    However, the Security Cabinet has no need to worry because there really is an alternative to the Palestinian Authority. It is called the “eight-state solution” as suggested for several years by Bar-Ilan University lecturer Dr. Mordechai Kedar.

    It is unfolding at the same rate that the Palestinian Authority is disintegrating. The collapse of the Palestinian Authority would be met by dire warnings from the Obama administration and the European Union that Israel is facing an all-out and United Nations-winnable war, but facts on the ground have shown that there is no political or social groundswell among Palestinian Authority Arabs to launch an Arab Spring-type rebellion.

    Palestinian Authority terrorists are popping up left and right every day. They murder Jews and cause several physical and psychological damage, but their numbers are far out of proportion to the mainstream population.

    The reasons that Abbas has not been able to incite an Arab Spring rebellion against Israel are the same ones that Kedar states for the “eight-state solution.”
    He has written:

    There is no reason to assume that a Palestinian state will not become another failing Arab state, due to the fragmented society in the West Bank and Gaza, tribalism and the lack of awareness of nationhood….


    The proposed plan is the creation of eight independent and separate city-states within the West Bank, having a limited rural periphery, that will enable future expansion and the establishment of industrial zones. The towns that will receive independence are under this plan are Hebron (the Arab part), Jericho, Ramallah, Nablus, Jenin, Tulkarm and Kalkilya. Bethlehem will require further consideration….

    Such a de facto division, sustained over time, will foster the development of local rule and facilitate the establishment of political entities based on each separate city-state.


    About the Author: Tzvi Ben Gedalyahu is a graduate in journalism and economics from The George Washington University. He has worked as a cub reporter in rural Virginia and as senior copy editor for major Canadian metropolitan dailies. Tzvi wrote for Arutz Sheva for several years before joining the Jewish Press.
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    Daoud Nasser’s Tent of Fabrications

    NOVEMBER 30, 2015, 12:06 PM

    There is a disturbing phenomenon afoot, and it is the growing number of Christians who believe the often times vitriolic anti-Israel propaganda which has become so common in our day.

    That is not to say that Israel is never at fault. Israel is in many ways a nation like any other: a patriotic official in the Ministry of Foreign Affairs once told me “I think we get it right 70 percent of the time.”

    Nor is it to say that believing such propaganda makes one anti-Semitic by default.

    But it does mean that, very sadly, more and more Christians are partaking of what I have called the Israeli/Palestinian conflict syndrome, a syndrome characterized by people feeling entitled to have very strong opinions and feelings on a conflict they know exceptionally little about, and for which historical context and complexities are so crucial to understand. The result is too often taking headlines and ginned up stories far more seriously than they deserve, and the unjust de-legitimization of the one and only Jewish state.

    There is perhaps no better recent example of this phenomenon rearing its ugly head in Christian circles than in the case of the Palestinian Christian farmer, Daoud Nasser. Daoud owns a parcel of land in the West Bank, south of Bethlehem, that Israel declared state land in the early 1990’s. The land has been in his family since the days of World War I. He has been in litigation ever since then in order to keep it, and has dubbed the parcel the “Tent of Nations,” a place where “people build bridges.” It has since become a regular tourist attraction for a number of Christian groups, particularly those funded by George Soros and other left-wing interest groups.

    By way of preliminaries, it is important to note that, on the surface, Daoud is doing some good things: he runs children’s camps, and in many ways exhibits an outwardly congenial and benevolent personality, all of which I saw with my own eyes.
    However, based on the research I have done, including visiting the land and interviewing Daoud himself, his claims are simply untenable, and the way in which the “Tent of Nations” has been used to delegitimize Israel is entirely unjustified.

    Not all deeds are the same

    First, Daoud claims that the land is his because he has a “deed” to it. This is true, he does have a deed. But there is an extremely important caveat: not all deeds are the same. Just because someone has a deed does not mean they own a piece of property outright. In American law, there are many types of estates that can be transferred by a deed, and only one of them vests full and absolute ownership in the person to whom the deed is conveyed.

    Daoud’s family obtained a deed to the land in the early 20th century under the Ottoman Empire. The details of all the legalities can be reduced to this: Ottoman law had five categories of land ownership. Those that are of relevance to this case are mulk and miri. Mulk land was full private ownership (full title), what in American law is called a “fee simple absolute.” Miri land, on the other hand, was only partial title. Under a miri deed, title remained with the Sultan/state, who had the right to reclaim the land if it was not cultivated for any three-year period. The idea behind miri land was that the government wanted it to remain cultivated and productive, and thereby provide tax revenue. If it wasn’t used accordingly, the government would reclaim the land, and auction it off to someone else who would make it productive.

    So what kind of deed did Daoud’s family obtain? According to a very pro-Daoud BBC article, he obtained a miri deed. The article never stated this, but they included a picture of one of the original deeds, and sure enough, it was classified not as mulk (full private ownership), but as miri, which is only partial (and revocable) ownership.


    Thus, under their miri deed, Daoud’s family never had full title to the land, and the government had every right to reclaim it if it was not cultivated for any three year period. As it turns out, Daoud’s land was not cultivated for a number of years (far more than three), which is proven by numerous satellite photos taken in the 1980’s, 1990’s, and 2000’s.

    Therefore, Israel, as the state in effective control of the West Bank after the Six Day War of 1967, and applying the law under which the deed was originally conveyed and was applied by both the British and Jordanian occupiers of the West Bank prior to 1967, had the right under the terms of the deed and according to the legal property interests it conveyed to reclaim the land as “state land.”

    Near Daoud’s land, there is a famous Israeli “settlement” named Efrat. I visited with one of its residents, who showed me a sizeable piece of land that divided two portions of the settlement. It was beautiful, and contained a gorgeous and fruitful vineyard. Sure enough, this land belonged to a Palestinian, and though it would be ideal for the further expansion of Efrat, the Israeli government, and the residents of Efrat themselves, do not touch it. In fact, relations between the Palestinian and his Israeli neighbors are good. The reason for this is simple: the Palestinian farmer has proven that he in fact does own the land, a fact which, as happens frequently in a part of the world that has been slow to adopt a uniform and written form of land registration, can be quite difficult to prove.


    Who is Daoud calling ‘evil occupier’?


    Second, Daoud claims that he is being oppressed by the evil occupier Israel, and that he simply wants Israel to see him as a human being. He frequently appeals to Evangelical Christians, claiming that despite being oppressed, he loves his enemy anyway. This all sounds quite noble until one actually digs into the facts.

    Does an evil occupier go through nearly 25 years of litigation in order to get a piece of land, or do they simply take it? Does an evil occupier allow a case by those they occupy to go to their nation’s Supreme Court? Does an evil occupier allow the occupied, against the greater weight of the evidence, to re-register their land under Israeli law (as Israel has now done for Daoud), and thus better secure the rights of a Palestinian farmer to that land? Such was the conduct of the “evil occupier” in this case.

    Since the land has not been surveyed in more than five years, Daoud has to have one done in order to re-register it, a process that will cost him approximately $10,000. But land surveys are expensive everywhere, including the United States. So Daoud can hardly claim that the expense of the land survey, or the fact that it is required, is unique to Israel, or the result of the “occupation.” This is a normal feature of property law in every civilized portion of the globe.

    Daoud frequently points to the fact that the Israeli Army bulldozed approximately 1,500 trees on “his” land a few years ago. Again, the problem with this claim is not that it is false, but that it has been disingenuously de-contextualized: this land was in dispute, and it was going through litigation. Israel declared it state land, and the matter was being resolved, and as it turns out, it was never Daoud’s land to do with as he wished from the very beginning (per his deed). Daoud planted on it anyway. Israel has engaged in the exact same actions when it came to illegally built Jewish settlements, outposts, and other buildings in the West Bank which lacked the proper permits. An example is the Migron settlement in 2012, in which Israel expelled hundreds of “settlers” who had illegally built on private Palestinian land.

    At the same time, if Daoud were to sell his land to Israel, or give it up in any way, he would likely be in the crosshairs of the Palestinian Authority, which has made it illegal, under penalty of death, to sell or transfer “Palestinian land” to Israel, or to any Jew whatsoever.

    Which, for both Daoud himself, and those Christians who naively and without any critical eye whatsoever accept such anti-Israel propaganda at face value, begs the question: who is it that actuallysees Daoud as less than a human being — Israel, or his own fellow Palestinians?


    Joshua Charles is the co-author of the No. 1 New York Times best-selling book The Original Argument. Joshua led the“Rediscovery Project” at the Public Policy Institute of William Jessup University, and is now heading up a project at the Museum of the Bible which opens in Washington, D.C. in the Fall of 2017. His latest book, Liberty’s Secrets: The Lost Wisdom of America’s Founders, was recently one of the bestselling new releases on Amazon. While he studied Piano Performance in his undergraduate, he also has a Masters in Government, and is currently earning his law degree at the Regent University School of Law. Joshua has taken numerous research trips to the Middle East, and is currently working on another book about the Israeli/Palestinian conflict
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    Excessive Hamas Taxes Cause Gaza Farmers to Boycott Goods

    Hamas is taxing goods so heavily the Gazans are boycotting the goods being brought through the crossings.
    By: Lori Lowenthal Marcus
    Published: December 2nd, 2015




    A Gazan man buys goats and sheep at a local cattle market in the southern Gaza Strip. October 01, 2014. Photo Credit: Abed Rahim Khatib / Flash90


    Okay, how do we wrap our minds around this one?

    The Palestinian Arab Ma’an news outlet reported on Tuesday, Dec. 1, that several Gazan wholesalers refused to import fruits and livestock coming from Israel.

    Why? Is it because of the so-called Israeli “Occupation?” No. Is it because Israel cranks up the charges so that the Gazans cannot afford to purchase the goods coming from Israel? No.

    The Gazans are refusing to make the purchases because of new and excessive taxes imposed by Hamas. That’s right. The murderous terrorist group Gazans voted into office are starving their own people by pricing goods beyond the financial ability of their people.

    Hamas is imposing a hunger strike on their own citizens in Gaza.

    In addition to the already existing 100 shekel import tax already imposed by Hamas’s Ministry of Finance, there was a new extra importation tax of 200 shekels to import calves, and 100 shekels to import sheep, according to a Gazan wholesaler interviewed by Ma’an.

    The wholesaler, Abu Samra, said Gazan wholesalers would refuse to import the goods until the newly-levied taxes are rescinded.

    These latest taxes follow an increase in taxes imposed in April, which were called a “Joint Responsibility” tax.

    About the Author: Lori Lowenthal Marcus is the U.S. correspondent for The Jewish Press. A graduate of Harvard Law School, she previously practiced First Amendment law and taught in Philadelphia-area graduate and law schools. You can reach her by email: [email protected]
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    Sweden slams Israel's 'extrajudicial' killing of Palestinians

    Sweden has strongly criticized the Israeli regime for conducting extrajudicial executions against the Palestinians implicated in alleged stabbing attacks.

    On Friday, Swedish Foreign Minister Margot Wallstrom said Israeli military forces exercise "extrajudicial executions" or employ disproportionate force in clashes with Palestinian protesters, citing as “ostensible” proof the higher number of Palestinian casualties compared to those of Israel.

    “Israel’s response involved extrajudicial executions, and was disproportionate, so the number of the dead on the other side is greater than the original death toll by several factors,” she said.

    Wallstrom’s remarks outraged Israeli authorities, with the Israeli Foreign Ministry releasing a statement to denounce them.

    More than 110 Palestinians and nearly 20 Israelis have been killed in the recent wave of clashes between Palestinians and Israelis since the start of October.

    Tensions between Palestinian protesters and Israeli forces in the occupied West Bank and the Gaza Strip continue unabated. The wave of unrest was triggered by Israel’s imposition in August of restrictions on the entry of Palestinian worshipers into the al-Aqsa Mosque compound in East al-Quds.

    Meanwhile, the European Union (EU) missions in the occupied West Bank city of Ramallah as well as al-Quds (Jerusalem) denounced the recent demolition of Palestinian houses and expropriation of Palestinian lands in so-called Area C of the West bank.

    The missions made reference to the repeated demolition of houses and animal shelters in the city of Tubas, located 21 kilometers (13 miles) northeast of Nablus, in late November and the dismantlement and confiscation of tents there on December 3. They said all of the affected Palestinian families mainly depend on livestock, and are particularly vulnerable as winter draws near.

    The missions also urged Israel to return confiscated EU humanitarian assistance to displaced Palestinian families in Tubas.

    The Israeli regime recently approved the construction of 1,500 new illegal settler units in East al-Quds, despite widespread international criticism of the settlements in the occupied Palestinian territories.

    The international community regards all Israeli settlements built on the occupied Palestinian lands as illegal. More than half a million Israelis live in over 120 illegal settlements built since Israel’s occupation of the Palestinian territories in 1967.

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    Wednesday, December 16, 2015

    How do English Arab/Muslim newspapers report on two car rammings?

    AFP reports:
    Clashes erupted on Wednesday after Israeli soldiers raided a refugee camp near Ramallah and shot dead two Palestinians who sought to ram their cars into troops.
    Headlines about the incident from the Arab and Muslim world in English:

    Ma'an:


    Al Ahram (Egypt):

    Albawaba (pan-Arab):

    Shahernama (Muslim news site based in India):


    Of course, the Arabic headlines are worse, referring to the dead terrorists as martyrs.

    So it is not a surprise when polls show that Palestinians support the wave of stabbings. Their media not only makes the stabbers and rammers into heroes but it simultaneously describes them as victims.

    Because to them, "human rights" means the rights to murder Jews with impunity.


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    Gaza journalist says he was tortured in Hamas jail

    Ayman al-Aloul, a rare voice in Gaza willing to criticize Hamas, spends nine days in jail and says he was beaten; now plans to focus on non-political topics.
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    Published: 01.14.16, 16:18 / Israel News
    Palestinian journalist Ayman al-Aloul frequently writes about the hardships of life in the Gaza Strip, and is one of the few voices willing to publicly criticize the rule of the Islamic Hamas movement.

    But after nine days in jail, al-Aloul says he won't be writing about politics anymore. He said a painful experience that included beatings and being forced to sit uncomfortably in a tiny chair has made him a "new man" and that he will now focus on less controversial topics like sports, food, literature and fashion.

    Palestinian journalist Ayman al-Aloul

    "I've decided not to talk about the general situation anymore," al-Aloul said in an interview at his home Tuesday, a day after he was released. "The experience I went through was very difficult."

    Al-Aloul's experience is part of a crackdown by Hamas at a time when the continuing miseries of life in Gaza appear to be driving its population toward more open dissent. Critics have grown bolder on social media sites, and attempts by Hamas to impose new taxes have triggered rare public protests.

    Al-Aloul said his new reticence would not affect his work as a reporter for an Iraqi TV station, which he described as straight news reporting and not "opinion-making."

    It was his personal social media activity that drew attention. In recent months, he wrote under a popular hashtag urging Hamas to withdraw from the Rafah crossing point between Gaza and Egypt. Like many Palestinians, he believes that Egypt has shuttered Rafah because it doesn't want to deal with Hamas, and proposes letting the Western-backed Palestinian Authority manage the crossing.

    Al-Aloul

    He also published pictures of people looking for leftover food in garbage containers, quoted business owners angry over increased taxes and blamed Gaza authorities for prolonged power blackouts.

    On Jan. 3, Hamas forces arrested him and another outspoken critic, Ramzi Herzallah, in their homes in Gaza City. During his detention, al-Aloul said he was repeatedly slapped on the face by his interrogators and twice sent to a room known euphemistically as "the bus." He described it as a room equipped with children's chairs, where detainees are blindfolded and forced to sit for an entire day.

    "They think that my posts on Facebook harm the Gaza government," he said. "They considered criticizing the government to be criticism of 'the resistance' and they accused me of harming the revolutionary unity," al-Aloul said.

    Herzallah, also released Monday, said he too experienced "the bus," but declined to comment further. Hamas' Interior Ministry declined comment.

    While Hamas seems still firmly in power, it has raised taxes recently to shore up shaky finances that have left it unable to pay its 40,000 employees. This has pushed up the price of cigarettes by about 10 percent, and brought a $1,000 annual licensing fee upon cafes, restaurants and hotels.

    The taxes have triggered unusual public anger.

    Last month, fruit and vegetable importers briefly suspended deliveries. Last week, dozens of residents of the Jabaliya refugee camp took to the streets to protest a lengthy power cut. And on Tuesday, dozens of merchants closed their shops and held a rare public demonstration in the Nusseirat refugee camp to protest a new 16 percent sales tax.

    "We tell the government and decision makers ... Feel the people who hardly live," said clothing store owner Mohammed Jahjouh, who predicts the protests will grow.

    A poll published last month found that 41 percent of Gazans want to emigrate, compared to 24 percent of Palestinians in the West Bank. The survey, conducted by the Palestinian Center for Policy and Survey Research, questioned 1,270 people and had a margin of error of 3 percentage points.

    Hamas officials brush off the criticism and accuse Israel, Egypt and the Palestinian Authority of conspiring to punish it.

    Ziad al-Zaza, a senior Hamas leader, said the turmoil shaking the Middle East will help his movement in the long run.

    "We are able to ... clear the way through our piercing vision and reading of the incidents," he said in a recent interview.

    Human rights groups have accused Hamas of intimidating or torturing critics and opponents in the past, a charge it denies. Akram Sourani, a local satirist, said the latest arrests might succeed in dampening the criticism.
    "Unfortunately, this right has become an issue of debate among the writers. 'Shall I write or not? Shall I express or not?'" said Sourani, who was himself summoned in December by Hamas police. "I think we must continue to speak out."

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    Funny Solomon picks up on this story and disregards the stories where the Jewish beat children and women up dismissing such news stories as nonsense. Double standards as always

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wattan View Post
    Funny Solomon picks up on this story and disregards the stories where the Jewish beat -
    Hiding your complicity at your co-religionists' crimes by accusing the person who informs you of them of doing the same? I think you know Israel better than that, Wattan, but you're unwilling to admit your shame.
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