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    Thursday, August 20, 2015

    Who’s indigenous here? (Vic Rosenthal)






    Vic Rosenthal's weekly column:





    Take up the White Man's burden, The savage wars of peace—
    Fill full the mouth of Famine And bid the sickness cease;
    And when your goal is nearest The end for others sought,
    Watch sloth and heathen Folly Bring all your hopes to nought.
    Rudyard Kipling, 1899

    The other day I was talking with friends and the discussion turned to the unique situation of Israel as a nation-state that constantly has to justify its existence. Other countries may be engaged in struggles over who will be the dictator, president or ruling party, but I can’t think of another one whose very being is controversial.


    For example, last year Iranian ‘Supreme Leader’ Ali Khamenei called for the destruction of the “barbaric, wolflike & infanticidal regime of Israel” and the dispersal of the Jews that had emigrated to Israel from some other place:


    All the original people of Palestine including Muslims, Christians and Jews wherever they are, in Palestine or in refugee camps in other countries or just anywhere else take part in a public and organized referendum. Naturally the Jewish immigrants who have been persuaded into emigration to Palestine do not have the right to take part in the referendum. …

    the ensuing government … will decide whether the non-Palestinian emigrants … can continue living in Palestine or should return to their home countries.


    This is illuminating, because it exposes the narrative that underlies most anti-Israel arguments. You know, when you say “Israel is completely legitimate under international law” and they say “who cares, you stole Palestinian land and colonized the indigenous inhabitants.”


    That is the line that always ends the discussion. Israel is gay-friendly? Who cares, you are just bringing that up to distract us from your crimes against the Palestinian people. Israel is a democracy? Who cares, it’s built on someone else’s property. Because Israel is said to be a “settler-colonial state,” a European interloper parasitizing an indigenous Middle Eastern people, we have no moral or legal right to be here.


    In the 19th century, colonialism was considered legitimate. “Take up the White Man’s burden,” wrote Kipling, and do the natives a favor despite their often violently-expressed ingratitude. But today, there is no greater national sin than exploitation of indigenous peoples.


    There is only one small flaw in this argument, so beloved by leftists and academics: the Jewish people are indigenous to the Land of Israel, and the so-called ‘Palestinians’ are the colonists, invaders and occupiers of other people’s land. Like so much of their rhetoric, Arabs calling themselves ‘indigenous’ to our land is a precise inversion of reality, an employment of the big lie technique.


    Here is one modern definition of ‘indigenous people’:


    Indigenous communities, peoples and nations are those which, having a historical continuity with pre-invasion and pre-colonial societies that developed on their territories, consider themselves distinct from other sectors of the societies now prevailing on those territories, or parts of them. They form at present non-dominant sectors of society and are determined to preserve, develop and transmit to future generations their ancestral territories, and their ethnic identity, as the basis of their continued existence as peoples, in accordance with their own cultural patterns, social institutions and legal system.
    This historical continuity may consist of the continuation, for an extended period reaching into the present of one or more of the following factors:

    · Occupation of ancestral lands, or at least of part of them

    · Common ancestry with the original occupants of these lands

    · Culture in general, or in specific manifestations (such as religion, living under a tribal system, membership of an indigenous community, dress, means of livelihood, lifestyle, etc.)

    · Language (whether used as the only language, as mother-tongue, as the habitual means of communication at home or in the family, or as the main, preferred, habitual, general or normal language)

    · Residence in certain parts of the country, or in certain regions of the world

    · Other relevant factors.

    The Jewish people in Israel are occupying their ancestral lands, and they have a common ancestry with the only ‘original inhabitants’ that still exist as a people. There are no more Philistines, Jebusites, Hivites, etc. (despite the fantasies of the Arabs). There are still Jews, with a religion, culture and language whose connection to the original inhabitants is well-documented.


    It is true that the Jewish population of Israel and Judea fluctuated throughout the centuries, as the land was invaded and colonized by Romans, Arabs, Ottomans, British, etc. But the continuity was unbroken while the Jewish people suffered the vicissitudes of an indigenous people oppressed by colonial powers. Some Jews remained in the land and others went into exile throughout the world, but our peoplehood persisted.


    The Arabs consider Western support for the establishment of a Jewish state a colonialist usurpation of their indigenous rights. But in fact it was the recognition, by Balfour and others, of the truly indigenous status of the Jewish people that justified the formalization of the Jewish people’s right to the land, from the river to the sea, which was ultimately expressed by the Mandate for Palestine.


    The Mandate for the first time concretized our moral right to the land as its historical owners into a legal right under international law. It is ironic that Israel, whose right to exist is seen as controversial, actually has a stronger moral and legal justification for its sovereignty than others – like Jordan, truly created by colonial fiat, or Saudi Arabia, the product of violent conquest.


    On the other hand, the so-called ‘Palestinians’ – although they make wild claims to be descended from ‘original’ inhabitants like Canaanites or Philistines – are primarily descendents of people who migrated into the land, a few going back as far as the Arab conquest in the 7th century. Most of them, however, arrived after Muhammad Ali’s expedition from Egypt into Syria around 1830; and the migration accelerated after the Zionists began to improve and develop the land in the 1880s.


    Jewish nationalism has existed for thousands of years. But a strictly ‘Palestinian’ consciousness did not develop among the Arabs in the region until they began to confront what they saw as the threat of Jewish sovereignty in the early 20th century; and even then, much of the opposition to a Jewish state was based on a more diffuse Arab nationalism. A distinct Palestinian people didn’t emerge until the mid-1960s with the advent of the PLO. And the central tenet of ‘Palestinian’ culture is its violent hatred for and struggle against Jewish sovereignty.


    Yasser Arafat and others have done their best to deny Jewish provenance in the land of Israel, claiming that there was no Jewish Temple in Jerusalem, and so forth. But thearchaeological evidence – which continues to be discovered – is overwhelming, despite pseudo-academic attempts to refute it.


    Unfortunately, it’s not only our enemies who have adopted the upside-down narrative of indigenous Arabs and colonizing Jews. When our own government rests its argument for our continued presence in Judea and Samaria on security considerations rather than our moral and legal right to the land, it is as if someone has stolen your car and then asks to keep it because he needs a car to drive to work.


    When our own government agrees to limit construction in certain parts of the land of Israel or agrees that any ‘settlements’ we keep after a peace agreement must be swapped for other bits of land, the implication is that we do not truly own the land even though we control it. But while we certainly may decide that we want to waive the right to some of our land in the interest of peace – assuming that this is possible – we are not morally obligated to do so.


    The Europeans, with a history of being colonial oppressors, smugly insist that we are morally obligated to give away part (or all) of our country. But we are not them. Although some of our ancestors were exiled to Europe and other places, we did not give up our peoplehood in exile. We belong to the land of Israel and it belongs to us.


    The Zionists did not arrive as colonists from Europe after 1945 and dispossess the long-rooted Palestinian people, as their narrative tells us. The true story is that Jews were here all along, an oppressed and colonized indigenous people like many others. One of our distinctions, though, is that we succeeded in throwing out the European colonialists and achieving the self-determination that is the highest political goal of an indigenous people.
    Now it’s up to us to keep it against those, like Khamenei, who wish to end it.
    “Real peace cannot ever happen while the world allows itself to be taken hostage by lies.” — Elder of Ziyon

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon2 View Post
    Sure sounds like you're blaming all Jews (or at least the majority of them) for this and ignoring how roundly this crime has been condemned by Jews world-wide - and so you stand, naked and exposed to the world, as a racist antisemite. Are you proud?
    No different to the way you blame the acts of a few terrorists to all Muslims. You are the racist imo
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabeel View Post
    No different to the way you blame the acts of a few terrorists to all Muslims. You are the racist imo
    We discussed the difference between standing on a lie and standing for the truth and the difference between a community that rejects murderous racism and one that rejects it.

    It might behoove you to remember that in the past Muslims - or at least their leaders - rejected this kind of thinking by their subjects:




    "...we cannot permit the Jewish nation, whose innocence for the crime alleged against them is evident, to be worried and tormented as a consequence of accusations which have not the least foundation in truth."


    - Sultan Abdülmecid I
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabeel View Post
    No different to the way you blame the acts of a few terrorists to all Muslims. You are the racist imo
    We know what he is. A man who shows no respect for a toddler burnt to death is a poor character ? No?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hope View Post
    We know what he is. A man who shows no respect for a toddler burnt to death is a poor character ? No?
    Shoot the messenger!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon2 View Post
    Shoot the messenger!
    ye I agree especially when the messenger has a biased agenda and portrays just 1 side all the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jameel View Post
    ye I agree especially when the messenger has a biased agenda and portrays just 1 side all the time.
    ...Uproar over a booth showcasing Israeli culture as part of a university Model United Nations event in Pakistan has prompted the country's higher education authority to warn universities not to challenge “the perspective of the government.”

    ...The Higher Education Commission (HEC) further fueled the controversy when it issued a letter to all the universities in response to the incident, asking them to:

    remain very vigilant and forestall any activity that in any manner challenge(s) the ideology and principles of Pakistan, and/or perspective of the government of Pakistan.

    Do you now advocate shooting Pakistani professors?
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    Chomsky Accuses the US of Aiding Israeli Atrocities in Gaza


    The United States is a violent nation that exports violence to other parts of the world, said Noam Chomsky.
    U.S. political commentator and analyst Noam Chomsky Tuesday accused the United States of providing the decisive ongoing support for the Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians.

    The internationally renowned intellectual, writer and linguist said Israel last year used U.S.-made warplanes to indiscriminately bomb Gaza for 51 days.

    RELATED: Chomsky Among 500 Intellectuals to Demand Action from Mexico Government over Journalist Deaths​

    “When what is called Israeli jet planes bomb defenceless targets in Gaza, that is U.S. jet planes with Israeli pilots,” he said, according to Mint Press. “And the same with the high-tech munition and so on and so forth. So this is, again, sadism masked as compassion. Those are the actions.”

    Recently, Chomsky told Democracy Now that the United States is a violent state and is it exporting violence to other parts of the world like the Israeli occupation.

    Chomsky also harshly criticized what Israel is doing in the Occupied Territories, saying it is much worse than apartheid.

    “To call it apartheid is a gift to Israel, at least if by ‘apartheid’ you mean South African-style apartheid,” he said. “What is happening in the Occupied Territories is much worse. There is a crucial difference. The South African Nationalists needed the black population. That was their workforce.”

    But, in the case of the relationship of Israel with the Palestinians in the Occupied Territories is completely different, he said.

    “They just do not want them. They want them out, or at least in prison,” he said.

    He accused the United States' mainstream media, such as CBS, of being subservient to Israeli propaganda agencies.

    “It is a shameful moment for U.S. media when it insists on being subservient to the grotesque propaganda agencies of a violent, aggressive state,” he said, in reference to Israel.

    RELATED: Chomsky Predicts Sanders Will Lose in 2016 US Elections, Bernie Disagrees

    ​According to a United Nations report, Israel killed 2,139 Palestinians in 51 days last Summer. Of those, 490 were children. More than 11,000 Palestinians were injured in the attacks. Three thousand of them were children. Over 20,000 homes were destroyed and at least 500,000 Palestinians were displaced. Damages were estimated at over US$5 billion.

    http://www.telesurtv.net/english/new...0826-0002.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ironman View Post
    Chomsky Accuses the US of Aiding Israeli Atrocities in Gaza


    The United States is a violent nation that exports violence to other parts of the world, said Noam Chomsky.
    U.S. political commentator and analyst Noam Chomsky Tuesday accused the United States of providing the decisive ongoing support for the Israeli atrocities against the Palestinians.

    The internationally renowned intellectual, writer and linguist said Israel last year used U.S.-made warplanes to indiscriminately bomb Gaza for 51 days -
    When you're reduced to quoting a professor who dishonestly quotes others then you're really digging yourself into a sewer pit. And yes, I've caught him at it myself and he doesn't apologize for lying, saying it's "part of the game."
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    Mother of Palestinian baby killed in West Bank arson attack dies



    The mother of Palestinian toddler Ali Saad Dawabsha, who was killed when suspected Jewish extremists firebombed his house, has died from injuries sustained in the attack.

    Several suspects have been arrested after the family’s home in the West Bank village of Duma was firebombed with Molotov cocktails on 31 July, sparking anger among the Palestinian community.

    “Riham Dawabsha died in the night,” said a spokeswoman for the Tel Hashomer Hospital in Tel Aviv, where the 26-year-old teacher was admitted with third-degree burns covering 80% of her body.

    Anwar Dawabsha, a family member, confirmed to AFP he had been informed of her death and said the funeral would be held on Monday in Duma.

    Riham Dawabsha’s death comes after 18-month-old Ali died on the day of the attack and his father Saad eight days later. Ali’s four-year-old brother Ahmed is still in hospital.

    The Israelis are expected to return Riham’s body to the Palestinian authorities to a checkpoint at the entrance to the occupied West Bank, from where it will be taken to her village.

    The family’s small brick and cement home was gutted by the fire and a Jewish Star of David spray-painted on a wall along with the words “revenge” and “long live the Messiah”.

    The bombing came only hours after a stabbing attack at a Jerusalem Gay Pride march that killed a 16-year-old girl and wounded five other people.

    While the attacks were not related, both have led to criticism of Israel’s government and security forces, who have been accused of failing to tackle Jewish extremism.

    Thousands of mourners, many waving Palestinian flags, turned out to lay Saad Dawabsha to rest last month in an emotional ceremony that later erupted into clashes with Israeli border police.

    The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has pledged to tackle the issue and labelled the firebombing “terrorism” – a word usually reserved by Israelis for violence by Palestinians.

    The Palestinian foreign ministry in the West Bank city of Ramallah said it had submitted a request to the international criminal court to investigate the firebombing and “settler terrorism”.

    There has been a series of nationalist hate crimes, known as “price-tag” attacks, by suspected Jewish extremists.

    Such groups have warned in the past there would be a price to pay for any action by Israeli authorities they regard as hostile to the Jewish settlement movement or to far-right religious beliefs.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...on-attack-dies
    RIP

    Sad end to the episode. Solmon glossed over this post and couldn't possibly comment

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wattan View Post
    RIP

    Sad end to the episode. Solmon glossed over this post and couldn't possibly comment
    Why change a habit of a life time?

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    Tuesday, September 22, 2015

    Latest Palestinian poll shows little desire for peace and lots of believing anti-Israel propaganda


    The Palestine Center for Policy and Survey Research released the results of a new survey, and it shows that Palestinian Arabs have very little desire to live in peace with Israel.

    The finding that received some press attention is that 48% support and 51% oppose a two-state solution. But there are more interesting results that explain why.

    The constant barrage of insane anti-Israel propaganda in the media and schools is part of the reason. For example, an overwhelming majority of 85% believe that "Israel’s long term aspiration is to annex the lands occupied in 1967 and expel their population or deny them their rights" while only 15% believe that Israel’s long term aspiration is to insure its security and withdraw from all or most of the territories.

    Another overwhelming majority believe that "al Haram al Sharif is in grave danger:" 50% believe that Israel intends to destroy al Aqsa Mosque and the Dome of the Rock and replace them with a Jewish temple; 21% believe that it intends to divide the plateau on which the two mosques sit so that Jews would have a synagogue alongside the Muslim holy places; and 10% believe that Israel intends to simply allow Jews to pray there. 81% say they are worried that Israel would demolish or confiscate their homes even though, another reflection of how their media coverage is out of whack with a reality where some 97% live under PA rule.

    Even more bizarrely, 59% believe that Hamas won the Gaza war last year.

    When a population is fed nothing but incitement and lies, how can anyone expect them to act rationally?

    So we then see that a large plurality support terror against Israel. 42% think that armed terrorism is the most effective to get a state, 29% think negotiations is the most effective way, and 24% think "non-violent resistance" (which includes stone throwing and firebombs, in their worldview) is the most effective way.

    Even though a majority now opposes a two-state solution, 69% oppose a one-state solution in which Arabs and Jews enjoy equal rights. Which means that the solution a plurality or majority support is one where Jews are second class citizens, or expelled.

    Then there was this curious result:

    When asked about the long term aspiration of the PA and the PLO, 64% said that it is to recover all or parts of the land occupied in 1967 while 26% said it was to conquer the state of Israel or conquer the state of Israel and kill most of the Jews.

    Isn't it interesting so many Palestinians don't think of the PA as wanting a peaceful two-state solution?


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    How can they show a desire for peace whilst their kids are being murdered and set on fire? Its not difficult to be anto israeli when you see their barbaric acts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wattan View Post
    How can they show a desire for peace whilst their kids are being murdered and set on fire? Its not difficult to be anto israeli when you see their barbaric acts
    The parties that threaten to murder kids unless parents comply are Hamas, the P.A., and Islamic Jihad, not Israel. But you knew that already, didn't you? You were just out to blacken Israel's name, yes?
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    Egypt's foremost pro-Israel intellectual dies

    Playwright and satirist Ali Salem's stance that Israel was not Egypt's enemy aroused much protest; auhtorities prevented him from traveling to Israel to receive honorary doctorate in 2005.
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    Published: 09.24.15, 14:11 / Israel News




    Ali Salem, the Egyptian writer, playwright and satirist who aroused much controversy due to his sympathetic stance towards Israel, died of cancer at 79 on Tuesday.



    "The first of the normalizers with Israel passed away," was how many Egyptian papers reported his death.

    Even after his death, he remains controversial in Egypt. Some preferred to remember him for his famous comic play "The School of Troublemakers," while others concentrated on his views on Israel.

    Salem's last interview was given to Egyptian media personality, Jaber al-Karmuti, during which he repeated his stance on Israel.

    Ali Salem (AP)

    "Israel is not an enemy state and its interest is that Egypt be strong and not like other countries like Syria which are controlled by gangs", Salem explained in that interview.

    "Israel does not pose any threat to Egypt's national security," he added. "I hope Egypt's political leadership will not be ashamed of the peace the late Egyptian President Anwar Sadat established with Israel."

    Salem, unlike many other intellectuals in Egypt, had already expressed his support for Sadat's peace initiative in the 1970s, despite the fact that his brother was killed in the 1948 war. His first controversial visit to Israel was in 1994, 17 years after the signing of the Camp David agreement. Following that visit, which he went on without telling his three daughters, he wrote the book "My Drive to Israel" which was translated, among other languages, into Hebrew and English, and described his impressions and his meetings with Israelis.

    Since that visit, which aroused great protest in Egypt and the Arab world - especially among the cultural elite - Salem faced serious criticism and attempts to expel him to the Egyptian Writers' Syndicate and the Egyptian Association of Writers.

    But Salem stuck to his guns and did not change his stance toward Israel. In 2005, he was to receive an honorary PhD degree from Ben-Gurion University in Be'er Sheva for his work, but Egyptian authorities did not give him permission to go out and accept the prize. Two months earlier he had visited Israel and met, among others, students at the Hebrew University.

    Naguib Sawiris, an Egyptian Coptic businessman, eulogized Salem on his Twitter account and hinted at his disappointment that Salem did not get enough respect: "Ali Salem, may Allah have mercy on him. In my last meeting with him he told me that they needed to make a prize for a writer who did not get any prize throughout his life ".

    Other tweets were less endearing. "I'm not happy when someone dies, but I am happy at the passing of a soldier who fought for Israel on Egyptian land," tweeted Egyptian journalist Wael al-Kandil, known for his fierce criticism of the current Egyptian regime.

    The poet Ahmed Abdel Muti Hijazi commented: "I do not doubt for a moment that when he decided to visit Israel Salem was honest with himself. I would have preferred if he had discussed it with Egyptian intellectuals before taking his trip to Israel." According to him, Salem expressed his desire for peace theatrically: "I do not blame him, but I disagree with him; Israel is still an enemy and this will last because it can't stay within the Arab homeland."

    Salem, born in 1936 in Damietta province northeast of Cairo, was famous for his comic plays and his humor which is so characteristic of the Egyptian people. In 1963 he wrote his first play, "The People in the Eighth Heaven," but he became famous in 1971 with "The School of Troublemakers" which starred one of the great Egyptian actors, Adel Imam. The play chronicles how a philosophy teacher comes to class of unruly children to restore order in his own unique way. Overall Salem wrote 15 books and 27 plays.

    While Salem is considered unusual in Egypt he is not a lone voice. Only a year ago a similar voice was silenced, with the death of journalist Hussein Sarraj, deputy editor of the weekly "October," who visited Israel many times and held similar views to that of Salem. "You're a nation like every other nation," said Sarraj to Ynet on the occasion of the 40th anniversary of the Yom Kippur War.
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    Op-Ed: Only The Jews Are Supposed To Make The Arabs Happy

    They produce nothing, invent nothing, but the world wants only to make them happy.

    Published: Wednesday, October 21, 2015 4:19 PM




    Jack Engelhard



    John Kerry justifies Palestinian Arab rage on the “settlements” -- forgetting, I suppose, that Arabs are in a rage everywhere, about everything.


    Only a few hours ago the Secretary of State also announced that Israeli civilians ought to be sitting ducks. They should quit defending themselves when faced with any Palestinian knife, gun or car attack, events now becoming “the new normal” throughout the Jewish State. The Jews ought to keep taking it as they used to in the good old days.


    In fact both Kerry and the UN’s Ban Ki-moon are rushing to Israel to quell the violence that they blame on “both sides” – like blaming Pearl Harbor and 9/11 on both sides and blaming the woman for getting raped. She asked for it just as Israel keeps asking for Palestinian discontent, frustration, rage and plain unhappiness


    If you distill all the headlines this is what they amount to – The Arabs Are Not Happy!


    That is all the world cares about, making these people comfy and content and it is up to Israel to gratify and satisfy these insatiable darlings.


    How about that for baloney! Need more? Moments ago UNESCO passed a resolution citing Rachel’s Tomb and Cave of the Patriarchs as Muslim shrines.


    Because nowhere are the Arabs happy. They are not happy in Iraq, Lebanon, nor in Jordan, or Yemen, Libya, Egypt, Syria, nearly everywhere, and mind, these are Arabs versus Arabs, also of course Afghanistan – places where America spent tons of blood and billions of dollars, all for nothing.


    Nothing works. They continue to be miserable. Everywhere.


    They keep killing each other by the thousands, tribe against tribe, but as long as they keep doing it to themselves nobody is to blame.


    When they bring their “frustrations” and their “rage” and their “unhappiness” to the Jewish State, presto, the Jews are to blame.


    This didn’t start yesterday. When Israel finally put Arafat to the chase, he and his band of PLO thugs couldn’t get along with anybody, even and especially with their own brothers in Jordan, Lebanon and Tunis. After a murderous spree in all those places they finally got booted out.


    To the everlasting shame of the Israeli Left, the brutes were welcomed back into Israel, and here we go again, only this time it’s the Jews.


    Not happy with the Arabs, these people, not happy with the Jews. Time for the annual tantrum because Mommy won’t give up more candy.


    Crybaby want a lollipop. This time the Temple Mount.

    Always something.

    Plus this time it’s Abbas who is so miserable because he wants what the Jews have (“I’ll have what she’s having,” if you remember the movie) except that he and his people have no skills to make the desert bloom, in fact they have no skills to make anything.


    They invent nothing. They cure nothing. They produce nothing. They contribute nothing for themselves or for anybody else.


    For all that, leave it to the Jews.


    Not all Arabs are alike, plenty (I have met them) are honest and good, but this backstabbing generation is a blot upon civilization and a stain upon their own people. It is a wasted generation. My Australian correspondent Elaine Black shares this:


    Kuwaiti journalist Abdallah Al-Hadlaq published an unusual article in the official Kuwaiti daily Al-Watan harshly condemning the "Palestinian knife terrorism" and the "incitement" by Palestinian Authority President Mahmoud Abbas. Israel, he stated, has the right to defend itself and also to kill the Palestinian assailants, even if they are women and children.


    Al-Hadlaq also attacked the international community for not taking Israel's side and Al-Watan was forced to remove the article from its website.


    Or as Jay Garfield tells it daringly and un-muzzled throughout the news media thriller “The Bathsheba Deadline,” a book that spills all the beans – expecting peace with the Palestinians is like watching the same movie a hundred times and expecting the ending to change.



    New York-based author and bestselling novelist Jack Engelhard writes a regular column for Arutz Sheva. His novel “Indecent Proposal” was translated into more than 22 languages and turned into a Paramount motion picture starring Robert Redford and Demi Moore. His latest thriller, largely about media bias and deception, is “The Bathsheba Deadline.” Website:www.jackengelhard.com

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    Kerry renews push to ease Israel-Palestine tensions

    AMMAN: United States (US) Secretary of State John Kerry is in Jordan renewing his push to ease violence and tension between Israel and the Palestinians.

    Kerry was meeting with Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas and Jordan's King Abdullah II on Saturday in Amman.

    They are exploring ideas, first raised during a Thursday meeting in Berlin between Kerry and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, on how to defuse the situation.

    Over the past five weeks, 10 Israelis have been killed in Palestinian attacks and 48 Palestinians killed by Israeli fire, including 27 said by Israel to be attackers.

    Related: Israel says will not accept international presence in east Jerusalem

    After meeting Netanyahu, Kerry said he was cautiously optimistic about calming the situation.

    Kerry has said he would like to see clarity in the rules governing access to the Jerusalem holy site at the center of the tensions.

    Both Kerry and Abbas expressed hope that a solution could be found in brief comments to reporters as they began their meeting.

    "All this time we had hope," Abbas said. "We did not lose the hope."

    Kerry added: "I am hopeful."

    After seeing Abbas, Kerry will meet the Jordanian monarch and then fly to Saudi Arabia for talks with Saudi King Salman.

    Also Read: Israeli soldiers kill Jewish man after mistaking him for Palestinian

    Palestinians are fuming at what they see as excessive use of force by Israeli police and soldiers, with many attackers shot dead at the scene when they might have been detained.

    One Israeli was killed by soldiers who mistook him for an attacker, and an Eritrean migrant was beaten and shot dead by a crowd of Israelis who thought he had taken part in a shooting.

    Israeli rights group B'tselem on Friday distributed security camera footage that appeared to show Israeli soldiers kicking a Palestinian man and using a rifle to beat him while he was lying on a storage room floor, before dragging him outside.

    The Israeli military said in response that the event was being examined and a preliminary inquiry showed the soldiers had acted in accordance to the army's expected standards.

    B'tselem said it occurred on Oct 6 in the West Bank, near where clashes between Palestinians and Israeli troops were taking place, and that the soldiers then arrested the man. The military described the clashes as a "violent riot".

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    Information Warfare: The UN War Against Hate


    November 2, 2015: The UNRWA (United Nations Relief and Works Agency) is running short of money, which is donated by member nations; (over 90 percent from the U.S. and European states. One reason for the lack of money is the usual donor nations refuse to give more because UNRWA is seen as supporting Islamic terrorism, especially against Israel. The UN does not like to admit this, even when they were recently shown very visible of anti-Semitic and pro-terrorist support on social media
    by dozens of UNRWA staff running UNRWA schools for Palestinian children. The UN very quietly apologized and said it would discipline or fire the offending employees.

    About two percent of the UNRWA budget comes from Arab states. The wealthy Arab oil states refuse to give more (or much at all) to UNRWA because that would, technically, be supporting an organization that is, officially at least, not supposed to be supporting Islamic terrorists or anti-Semitism. This situation gets more and more bizarre the closer you look at it. The Arab oil states are also mad at Palestinian refusal to make some kind of peace deal with Israel. The Arab oil states are also mad at the Palestinians for supporting Saddam Hussein’s plans to conquer all of Arabia (starting with Kuwait in 1990). Then there is the common attitude in the Arab world that the Palestinian mess is all the fault of the West and they should pay for it.

    UNRWA was established in 1949 because Arab nations refused to accept and absorb Moslems who fled (mostly) from what is now Israel on the promise of the Arab nations that they would soon mobilize sufficient military strength to destroy Israel, drive the Jews out and allow the refugees to return home. That never happened and the UN quickly recognized that there was a serious refugee problem. Not only was UNRWA established to take care of these refugees but in a very unusual move the 750,000 original Palestinian refugees were allowed to pass on their refugee status to their children. No other refugee group was allowed to do that by the UN. About the same number of Jews were driven out of Moslem countries after 1948 and they were all accepted and absorbed by other nations, mainly Israel and the U.S. Since 1947 the number of “Palestinian refugees” has grown to five million and Arab states continue to refuse to absorb them.

    This situation was all about Arabs believing they had the right to decide who can live in “Moslem territories” and for them Israel was a major offense. This is nothing new. Moslems had been driving infidels out of Islamic nations for a long time. That’s why most Arab-Americans are Arab Christians. Despite having been there before Islam came along, Arab Christians (and Arabs professing other religions) were always under pressure to either convert, or leave. Many of those who left over the past two centuries, came to America, and prospered in a much more tolerant society.

    When Jews began migrating to Palestine in the 19th century (to join the few who had always been there since the Romans ran most Jews out of the area 1800 years earlier), the Turks (who ran the area), were glad to have them. The Jews were mostly from Europe, and they brought with them money, technology and education. The Moslem Turks had long accepted Jewish refugees from religious oppression in Europe, but not many of those had come along since the 17th century. The Jews settled in and prospered, as did their Moslem neighbors. The word got around, and more Arabs moved to Palestine, to take advantage of the economic boom the Jews had created.

    Then the Turkish Empire disappeared in 1918 and the British took over. The Arabs didn’t like this, as it was one imperial master replacing another. And at least the Turks were Moslem. Arabs increased their use of terror against Jews and Christians in Palestine. The Jews fought back. After World War II, many more Jews arrived. In many parts of Palestine Jews were now the majority. The
    Jews joined the Arabs in demanding that the British leave. In 1947 the British agreed, and tried to get the Arabs and Jews to agree on how to divide between them political control of the area they both lived in. The Arabs would agree to nothing and other Arab nations in the region vowed to exterminate the Jews. They tried in 1948 and failed. They tried again in 1956, ’67 and 73. And failed again.

    Each failure was more humiliating than the last. Rather than accept blame for a dumb policy, inept diplomacy and military incompetence, the Arabs blamed outsiders, especially the United States. For decades, Arab propaganda, including stuff included in schoolbooks for kids, insisted that the Israelis were illegally occupying Arab land, were not capable to doing so without the assistance of other nations (especially the United States), committed the most outrageous (and non-existent) atrocities, and that there could be no compromise on this issue of Palestinian control. The message was clear; Israel must be destroyed, and Arabs were not at fault in creating the situation. Thus a growing number of Moslem (especially Palestinian) UNRWA employees feel they are being oppressed by the UN leadership for simply expressing what most Moslems agree with.
    “Real peace cannot ever happen while the world allows itself to be taken hostage by lies.” — Elder of Ziyon

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    Mother of Palestinian baby killed in West Bank arson attack dies



    The mother of Palestinian toddler Ali Saad Dawabsha, who was killed when suspected Jewish extremists firebombed his house, has died from injuries sustained in the attack.

    Several suspects have been arrested after the family’s home in the West Bank village of Duma was firebombed with Molotov cocktails on 31 July, sparking anger among the Palestinian community.

    “Riham Dawabsha died in the night,” said a spokeswoman for the Tel Hashomer Hospital in Tel Aviv, where the 26-year-old teacher was admitted with third-degree burns covering 80% of her body.

    Anwar Dawabsha, a family member, confirmed to AFP he had been informed of her death and said the funeral would be held on Monday in Duma.

    Riham Dawabsha’s death comes after 18-month-old Ali died on the day of the attack and his father Saad eight days later. Ali’s four-year-old brother Ahmed is still in hospital.

    The Israelis are expected to return Riham’s body to the Palestinian authorities to a checkpoint at the entrance to the occupied West Bank, from where it will be taken to her village.

    The family’s small brick and cement home was gutted by the fire and a Jewish Star of David spray-painted on a wall along with the words “revenge” and “long live the Messiah”.

    The bombing came only hours after a stabbing attack at a Jerusalem Gay Pride march that killed a 16-year-old girl and wounded five other people.

    While the attacks were not related, both have led to criticism of Israel’s government and security forces, who have been accused of failing to tackle Jewish extremism.

    Thousands of mourners, many waving Palestinian flags, turned out to lay Saad Dawabsha to rest last month in an emotional ceremony that later erupted into clashes with Israeli border police.

    The Israeli prime minister, Benjamin Netanyahu, has pledged to tackle the issue and labelled the firebombing “terrorism” – a word usually reserved by Israelis for violence by Palestinians.

    The Palestinian foreign ministry in the West Bank city of Ramallah said it had submitted a request to the international criminal court to investigate the firebombing and “settler terrorism”.

    There has been a series of nationalist hate crimes, known as “price-tag” attacks, by suspected Jewish extremists.

    Such groups have warned in the past there would be a price to pay for any action by Israeli authorities they regard as hostile to the Jewish settlement movement or to far-right religious beliefs.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...on-attack-dies
    Wonder if Jews were always bloodthirsty maybe that's why they are hated the world over

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabeel View Post
    Wonder if Jews were always bloodthirsty maybe that's why they are hated the world over
    Pehaps seeking to take revenge for what allegedly happened to them in World War 2?

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