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    Bast ards wont even allow humanitarian aid to go through.

    The ‘humanitarian aid’ aboard a recent flotilla to Gaza fit in two cardboard boxes

    By William Booth July 1

    Pro-Palestinian activists aboard a Swedish vessel tried and failed to punch through Israel’s maritime blockade of Gaza this week. Israeli commandos boarded the vessel, searched the ship and brought it to an Israeli port.

    The Israeli military called the operation “uneventful.” According to a report, Israel’s Channel 2, one of the activists was zapped with a taser. The foreign activists were detained and are being deported.


    In the scope of Middle East confrontations, it was a minor, though publicized, affair.

    Afterwards, Israel’s defense minister Moshe Yaalon said, “there was no aid on board” the activist ship.

    Not necessarily so -- but pretty close. We checked. You decide.

    Members of the Gaza flotilla organization -- which sent four boats, three of which turned around before arriving in the vicinity of Israel -- have repeatedly said the vessel that was stopped, Marianne, was carrying humanitarian aid for Palestinians in the Gaza Strip.

    Asked to provide some evidence of the humanitarian aid, Ann Ighe, a member of the Freedom Flotilla Coalition sent this photograph:



    A solar panel and nebulizer aboard the vessel Marianne.(photo provided by Freedom Flotilla Coalition)

    The Gaza activitists said the larger cardboard box contains a solar panel, donated by a Swedish magazine, ETC, which also runs an “environmentally-friendly electricity company.” The panel was bound for Al-Shifa hospital in Gaza City.

    Ighe said the Swedish Association of Midwives also donated a nebulizer, a machine used to inhale medicines, often used to calm asthma attacks. That is the small cardboard box.


    “Last but not least,” Ighe said, “the boat is cargo in herself, bound to be donated to a fishermen’s organization in Gaza.”


    “We bring means of production, not means of destruction,” she added.

    Israel points out that these days more than 500 trucks a day are entering Gaza through its Kerem Shalom crossing, and that Israel provides Gaza with water and electricity.

    Israel maintains a complete maritime and aerial blockade against the coastal enclave and controls who and what comes in and out of Gaza through two land crossings. Egypt also maintains a land crossing, which has been closed most of last year. Israel restricts movement and trade because it says that Hamas, the Islamist militant movement that controls the strip, smuggles contraband to construct attack tunnels and build rockets to fire at Israeli civilians.

    Palestinians call the partial blockage collective punishment.

    Gaza has been struggling to rebuild after the devastating war last summer between Hamas and Israel.

    Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu’s office wrote a letter to the activists, suggesting they would have been better off going to Syria and not Gaza.

    “There is no blockade on the Gaza Strip,” the letter read.

    “There is no humanitarian crisis in Gaza,” Yaalon told Israeli diplomatic reporters.


    The situation in Gaza "isn't pleasant," Yaalon conceded, but added that "if they were to decide to export strawberries from Gaza instead of rockets, the situation would be entirely different.”
    “Real peace cannot ever happen while the world allows itself to be taken hostage by lies.” — Elder of Ziyon

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    So [MENTION=1871]Solomon2[/MENTION] or should I say @goebells would Israelis like to Join Palestinians

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    So [MENTION=1871]Solomon2[/MENTION] or should I say @goebells would Israelis like to Join Palestinians
    Do you fully understand what this question, in context, tells us about you? Think it over, carefully.
    “Real peace cannot ever happen while the world allows itself to be taken hostage by lies.” — Elder of Ziyon

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    So [MENTION=1871]Solomon2[/MENTION] or should I say @goebells would Israelis like to Join Palestinians
    That's impossible. The aim is to remove Palestine off the map

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    Israel, Palestinians mark one year since Gaza war

    GAZA CITY: Israel and Palestinians mark one year since last summer's devastating war in the Gaza Strip on Wednesday, with a ceasefire still largely holding but few of the issues that led to the conflict resolved.

    The war took a heavy toll on Gaza, killing 2,251 Palestinians, including more than 500 children. Seventy-three people were killed on the Israeli side, including 67 soldiers.

    A United Nations report released last month said both sides may have committed war crimes during the 50-day conflict, which has left more than 100,000 Gazans homeless in the impoverished enclave of nearly two million people.

    It was the third war in Gaza in six years, and by far the deadliest and most destructive of the three, leaving families wondering when the suffering will end.

    “You have to remember, if you are even just a seven-year-old child ... you have been through three wars,” said Robert Turner, Gaza operations director for UN relief agency UNRWA.

    Hamas, the Islamist movement that runs the Gaza Strip, has planned commemorations on Wednesday.

    Israel held a memorial on Monday for its 73 victims killed in the war, where Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu defended the military offensive.

    “I say to all enemies of Israel ─ Hamas, Hezbollah, Iran and IS (Islamic State) ─ that those who attempt to attack our people will pay with their blood,” he said.

    The circumstances surrounding Gaza have led to fears that another war could eventually break out, with rockets still occasionally fired into Israel and the Jewish state responding with air strikes.

    Indirect talks on shoring up the ceasefire that ended last year's war and easing Israel's strict blockade on the territory have taken place, but there have been no signs that a deal could be reached any time soon.

    The blockade, as well as a lack of financing from international donors, have been blamed for the slow pace of reconstruction in Gaza, where around 18,000 homes were destroyed or severely damaged.

    A split between Hamas and the Palestinian Authority led by president Mahmoud Abbas, which runs the Israeli occupied West Bank, has worsened the situation. Reconciliation attempts have failed to heal the rift.

    Meanwhile, Hamas has been challenged by extremists in Gaza claiming links to the self-styled Islamic State jihadist group, and who have taken credit for recent rocket fire.

    Read more: Israel snubs UN rights body over Gaza war report
    'Resetting the clock'

    Last year's war was sparked in part by the abduction and murder of three young Israelis near a Jewish settlement in the West Bank.

    The kidnapping triggered a massive manhunt in which hundreds of Palestinians were arrested and at least five killed.

    It also led to the grisly revenge slaying of a 16-year-old Palestinian, who was snatched in east Jerusalem and burned alive by Israelis.

    A surge in rocket fire from Gaza into Israel followed, and Israel in response launched its offensive on July 8, giving it the name “Operation Protective Edge”. A ground offensive began on July 17.

    Air and naval bombardments on the coastal strip continued until an Egyptian-brokered truce was reached in Cairo on August 26.

    Israel's aims in the war were to stop the rocket fire and destroy tunnels used by Palestinian militants to carry out attacks.

    But rocket fire has started up again ─ although sporadically and not claimed by Hamas ─ and militants in Gaza have rebuilt tunnels.

    Hamas claimed victory after the war, but that has been scoffed at by Gazans who have seen family members killed and who now live among the ruins of their former homes.

    Mohammed Zaza, a 19-year-old nursing student, pointed to a vacant lot where his family's house once stood and said they now live in an overpriced, rented flat.

    “All that comes out of our pocket because we are receiving absolutely no help,” he said.

    Instead of houses, frustration has built in Gaza, where 39 per cent of the population lives below the poverty line.

    “If we don't address the underlying causes of these ongoing conflicts, we're simply resetting the clock for the next cycle of violence,” said the UN's Turner.

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    An Israeli drone has crashed on the Lebanese soil for the second time in three weeks, Lebanon’s army says.

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    Jimmy Carter unveils truth about Israel

    Jimmy Carter unveils truth about Israel







    Pity He didn't say any of this while in office.

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    Everyone knows that this Jew state has gone too far in their tyrannical behaviour

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    ‘I wish they’re birds in heaven’: Families of kids killed on Gaza beach grieve 1 year on
    Published time: 19 Jul, 2015 12:41




    The funeral of the four Palestinian children killed in Gaza City July 16, 2014. © Finbarr O'Reilly / Reuters
    The families of four Palestinian children killed last year on a Gaza beach by Israeli rockets while playing football believe they will never recover from the tragedy, which “stole their happiness.”

    A football game between eight boys, all relatives, was terminated by three Israeli missiles on July 16, 2014. Four of the children, Ahed Atef Baker and Zakaria Ahed Baker, both aged 10, Mohamed Ramez Baker, 11, and Ismael Mohamed Baker, 9, lost their lives. International journalists witnessed the tragedy from beachfront hotels and rushed to the scene, from where they broadcast pictures of the slain boys which shook the world.

    Journalists later said that when the first shell hit the ground the children ran away, but another shell hit them all, adding that the incident looked as if the shells were chasing them.

    The Israeli military closed an investigation into the incident last month, saying the children had been mistaken for Hamas naval forces.

    The parents of some of the killed boys told RT’s Lizzie Phelan there’s not a day they don’t think of their lost loved ones.

    “I wish they went to heaven and became birds. All my life has turned to crying, as you see my heart is burning. My kids that are still alive are still suffering, every day they suffer,” mother Im Ataf Baker said.



    Father Ahed Baker believes that Israeli troops didn’t only kill four children, they “killed seven families and destroyed everything nice in the family.”

    “They stole happiness and a good life. We are simple people, we just need to see our children in front of our eyes like children all over the world, playing and jumping. This is what the Israelis did against our people,” he added emotionally.

    RT spoke to Palestinian paramedics who have accused Israeli military of specifically targeting ambulance vehicles, as if they wanted medical workers ”to stop giving any service to our [Palestinian] people.”

    “We are paramedics, Israel were attacking our ambulances every day, by tanks and airplanes, opening fire, as well as on the press, nobody was safe. My ambulance was hit, my colleagues were killed and my other colleagues were injured,” Hatem Shaheen, a paramedic with the Palestinian Red Crescent, told RT.

    “All the ambulances are used to carry injured people, civilians, without weapons. We don’t carry militants or weapons. We are just a medical group dealing with civilians.”

    The 2014 war in Gaza killed more Palestinians than any other year since the Israeli occupation began in 1967. According to UN figures, 2,314 Palestinians were killed in 2014 and 17,125 were wounded.

    According to a report released earlier in July by global children's charity Save the Children, around 100,000 people in Gaza are still homeless.

    The report added that, according to the latest estimates, some 551 children were killed during Israel’s offensive, while 3,436 were injured and an estimated 1,500 lost their parents.

    http://www.rt.com/news/310208-gaza-c...otball-attack/

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    Anti-Hamas jihadists vow to fire rockets at Israelis

    GAZA CITY - Agence Frence-Presse



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    Jihadists in the Gaza Strip have threatened to fire rockets at Israel in response to a Hamas crackdown on extremists in the Palestinian territory.

    The threat came in reaction to the arrest of militants suspected of targeting members of Hamas’s armed wing on July 19 with a series of bombings.

    “The Salafists have decided to respond to these crimes and these blows dealt by Hamas by pointing rockets towards the occupation [Israel] and carrying out reprisals,” said a statement released online late on July 20.
    Hamas police arrested a dozen “mujahedeen” after the explosions on July 19, which destroyed five cars.

    The jihadist statement accused Gaza’s rulers of staging the blasts as an excuse to crack down on Salafist extremists.

    “The results will be catastrophic, will benefit no one, and it will be Hamas who shoulders the responsibility,” it said.

    Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu holds Hamas responsible for any rocket fire at the Jewish state from the coastal enclave.

    The military struck Hamas facilities in Gaza last week after militants fired a rocket into southern Israel.

    Hamas is engaged in a power struggle with smaller extremist groups, including Salafists in Gaza, which is home to 1.8 million people and has been ravaged by three wars with Israel in six years.

    On July 19, five near-simultaneous explosions targeted members of the armed branches of Hamas and Islamic Jihad, another Islamist group.

    There was no immediate claim of responsibility for the blasts that rocked an area in Gaza City.

    A series of such attacks in recent months is suspected to have been carried out by Salafists, some of whom claim links with Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant, although experts have expressed doubts over whether there are any true ties between them.

    Gazans who have gone to fight with ISIL in Syria recently released a video calling for Hamas to be toppled.
    Salafist groups have claimed in recent weeks that around 100 of their members or supporters were behind bars.

    They also criticize Hamas for what they see as its lack of zeal in enforcing Islamic law as well as for its truce with Israel since last year’s war in Gaza.July/21/2015
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mazea View Post
    ‘I wish they’re birds in heaven’: Families of kids killed on Gaza beach grieve 1 year on
    Published time: 19 Jul, 2015 12:41




    The funeral of the four Palestinian children killed in Gaza City July 16, 2014. © Finbarr O'Reilly / Reuters
    The families of four Palestinian children killed last year on a Gaza beach by Israeli rockets while playing football believe they will never recover from the tragedy, which “stole their happiness.”

    A football game between eight boys, all relatives, was terminated by three Israeli missiles on July 16, 2014. Four of the children, Ahed Atef Baker and Zakaria Ahed Baker, both aged 10, Mohamed Ramez Baker, 11, and Ismael Mohamed Baker, 9, lost their lives. International journalists witnessed the tragedy from beachfront hotels and rushed to the scene, from where they broadcast pictures of the slain boys which shook the world.

    Journalists later said that when the first shell hit the ground the children ran away, but another shell hit them all, adding that the incident looked as if the shells were chasing them.

    The Israeli military closed an investigation into the incident last month, saying the children had been mistaken for Hamas naval forces.

    The parents of some of the killed boys told RT’s Lizzie Phelan there’s not a day they don’t think of their lost loved ones.

    “I wish they went to heaven and became birds. All my life has turned to crying, as you see my heart is burning. My kids that are still alive are still suffering, every day they suffer,” mother Im Ataf Baker said.



    Father Ahed Baker believes that Israeli troops didn’t only kill four children, they “killed seven families and destroyed everything nice in the family.”

    “They stole happiness and a good life. We are simple people, we just need to see our children in front of our eyes like children all over the world, playing and jumping. This is what the Israelis did against our people,” he added emotionally.

    RT spoke to Palestinian paramedics who have accused Israeli military of specifically targeting ambulance vehicles, as if they wanted medical workers ”to stop giving any service to our [Palestinian] people.”

    “We are paramedics, Israel were attacking our ambulances every day, by tanks and airplanes, opening fire, as well as on the press, nobody was safe. My ambulance was hit, my colleagues were killed and my other colleagues were injured,” Hatem Shaheen, a paramedic with the Palestinian Red Crescent, told RT.

    “All the ambulances are used to carry injured people, civilians, without weapons. We don’t carry militants or weapons. We are just a medical group dealing with civilians.”

    The 2014 war in Gaza killed more Palestinians than any other year since the Israeli occupation began in 1967. According to UN figures, 2,314 Palestinians were killed in 2014 and 17,125 were wounded.

    According to a report released earlier in July by global children's charity Save the Children, around 100,000 people in Gaza are still homeless.

    The report added that, according to the latest estimates, some 551 children were killed during Israel’s offensive, while 3,436 were injured and an estimated 1,500 lost their parents.

    http://www.rt.com/news/310208-gaza-c...otball-attack/
    Very sad. Note heartless @solomon will not comment on this outrage

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nabeel View Post
    Very sad. Note heartless @solomon will not comment on this outrage
    Are you so sure I didn't comment on it a year ago?
    If people are truly interested in determining facts and context rather than grasping at convenient straws then they must consider evidence both pro- and con-, yes? However, in the case of Israel that's forbidden to Pakistanis by Pakistan's HEC. Nevertheless, people who do want to know more might want to start here: link.

    Thousands of Muslims dying every week at the hands of ISIS and others, yet so often only Israel's conduct is singled out as reprehensible, and so often on phony grounds! Nabeel, your head and many others are really messed up. Doubtless a conspiracy - are you a victim of it or a perpetrator or both?
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    [MENTION=8610]Falcon29[/MENTION] why don't you come on and rebut solomon2

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    Information Warfare: ISIL And The Palestinian Paradox

    July 28, 2015: The Palestinians are hostile to ISIL (Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant) and have recently been showing it by publishing numerous cartoons mocking ISIL suicide bombers. At the same time Fatah (the ruling group in the West Bank) regularly praises Palestinian suicide bombers who have killed Israelis. How can this be? In part it is because ISIL considers Fatah a corrupt and ineffective leader of the Palestinians and wants to replace Fatah leaders with more militant ones (more like Hamas in Gaza). Fatah has also been criticizing ISIL for enslaving non-Moslems, something Palestinians don’t do. And for enforcing strict lifestyle rules, something most Palestinians don’t like at all. So Palestinians see nothing odd about Fatah’s mocking attitude towards ISIL suicide bombers.


    Welcome to the media madness of the Middle East. Fatah has been openly praising and publicizing Palestinian suicide bombers for over a decade. Nearly all this inflammatory stuff is published (or said on radio and TV) in Arabic, because the Palestinian officials know that this sort of thing is very popular with Arabs but hard to explain (or sell) to Westerners. In any event the main purpose of the pro-suicide bomber propaganda is to raise generations of Palestinians who are enthusiastic supports of this sort of thing. It is believed that idea came from the Cold War era when the Soviet Union were famously patrons of all manner of terrorists, especially Palestinian ones. The Soviets urged the PLO (Palestinian Liberation Organization, which Fatah now dominates) to reform their educational system so that after a few decades all the children going through it would be adults with a very different view of suicide bombings, Israel and the world. That worked and the result is that, in this fantasy world employed by most Palestinians, Israel does not exist and any Palestinian that kills Israelis via suicide attacks is a hero. Israel is obviously there for all to see, but in Palestinian schools the maps of Israel are not labeled Israel. What is Israel is labeled as Palestinian, with perhaps a footnote to mention that Zionist oppressors temporarily occupy a lot of Palestinian territory. The Israelis are depicted as bad people, who steal from the virtuous Palestinians and are assisted by other evil people, like the Americans. Everything bad that happens, including the rampant corruption of Palestinian politicians, is blamed on Israel. Even ISIL is considered an Israeli creation. At the same time, Palestinian terrorists who have killed Israeli women and children are hailed as heroes and children are encouraged to be terrorists, especially suicidal ones. It’s not just the terrorists who get this treatment. Yasser Arafat, who led the effort to create the Palestine people and the fantasy Palestine taught in schools, died of apparent natural causes in 2010. Soon Palestinian children were being taught that Arafat was poisoned by Israelis.


    The basic problem is that, for the last two generations, it has been Palestinian policy to teach their children, and anyone that will listen to these Arab language screeds that Israel has no right to exist. The kids get indoctrinated with anti-Semitic propaganda at a young age and as adults they continue to be bombarded by anti-Semitic rants. Thus most Palestinians (unless they were educated outside of the Middle East) take it for granted that any peace deal with Israel is just a tactical move in the effort to eventually destroy Israel and drive all Jews from the Middle East. People outside the Middle East have a hard time comprehending this attitude. But it is very real, and can be seen on Palestinian web sites (not so much on the non-Arabic language ones, although even there the anti-Semitic line is leaking through more and more). Israel goes through the motions of negotiating, to keep its Western allies and trading partners happy, but few Jews in Israel see any chance of real peace with the Palestinians, given the current attitudes within the Palestinian community.
    “Real peace cannot ever happen while the world allows itself to be taken hostage by lies.” — Elder of Ziyon

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    The biggest beneficiary of the barbarity of the ISIL are the blood sucking israelis whose time will come

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    Israel president threatened over 'Jewish terrorism' comment

    JERUSALEM: Israeli police have opened an investigation into threats on social media against president Reuven Rivlin following his condemnation of "Jewish terrorism" after a firebombing killed a Palestinian child, a presidential spokesman said today.

    Rivlin had written a Facebook post following Friday's arson attack on a Palestinian family's home in the West Bank village of Duma by suspected Jewish extremists.

    The attack killed 18-month-old Ali Saad Dawabsha and left his parents and four-year-old brother critically wounded.

    "More than shame, I feel pain," Rivlin wrote in Arabic and Hebrew. "The pain over the murder of a little baby. The pain over my people choosing the path of terrorism and losing their humanity.

    "Their path is not the path of the State of Israel and is not the path of the Jewish people. Unfortunately, it seems that so far we've dealt with the phenomenon of Jewish terrorism limply," he wrote, calling for concrete measures against such extremists.

    Rivlin's post evoked a wave of more than 2,000 comments, some positive but others attacking him and recalling Israelis killed by Palestinians.

    "Dirty traitor. Your end will be worse than (Ariel) Sharon's," said one comment quoted by the Maariv newspaper, referring to the late former Israeli premier who spent eight years in a coma.

    Another said: "In Russia you would have been found by this point cut up inside a shoe box."

    Police said they had received material from the president's security team and had ordered an investigation to "examine offensive publications against the president on social media."

    Israeli legal officials could not say whether incitement to violence was among the suspected crimes under investigation.

    In 1995, then prime minister Yitzhak Rabin was gunned down at a peace rally in Tel Aviv by a Jewish extremist after a campaign of right-wing incitement against a peace deal with the Palestinians.

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    It shows that terrorists are terrorists whatever religion they claim to represent

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    Who’s to blame for Jewish extremists’ attacks?
    Published time: 3 Aug, 2015

    The recent spate of violence in Israel committed by Jewish extremists has met with strong condemnation from throughout the world, and strong denunciation from prominent Israeli politicians. But can the stabbing and arson attacks be written off as just rare and random acts of terror committed by a radical fringe of the Jewish population?

    Alvaro De Soto, a Senior Fellow at the Ralph Bunche Institute in New York and former Special Coordinator for the Middle East Peace Process, believes the recent assaults have deeper roots, stemming from Israel’s general approach to its long conflict with the Palestinians, and its policies regarding settlement in the occupied territories specifically.

    In an interview with RT, De Soto said that although the recent deadly arson attack may have been carried out by “certain youthful populators of the settlements… with a high degree of passion and hate,” the perpetrators had likely been encouraged by the Israeli government’s intransigence in coming to terms with the Palestinians to find a peaceful resolution to their differences.

    He stressed that it was very important for Israel to deal with the present outbreak of violent Jewish extremism effectively “because it’s doing a lot of harm, not just to the Palestinian victims, but also to the interests of Israel.”


    “If Israel cannot control this, it only tends to confirm the impression that many Palestinians have, and many in the outside world have, that Israel has no desire to give up the occupied territory,” De Soto said.

    “The continued policy of growing the settlements seems to also nourish this impression that has been generally created, especially in the last few years,” he said. “Any Palestinian in the West Bank can see, as the time goes by, that gradually Israel is nibbling away, eating up, occupied Palestinian territory.”

    The analyst also said that although the Palestinian authorities are often blamed for inciting violence among Palestinians toward Israel, this isn’t necessarily the case.

    “They don’t need to incite their people to commit acts of violence against occupying Israeli settlers. The actions of the Israeli government are enough to cause that incitement,” De Soto said, adding that “to encourage the continued settlement and give support to settlements by providing unilateral settlers, without authorization, with government services and protection such as electricity, and water, and army protection: that is a form of incitement.”

    De Soto believes that Israeli President Reuven Rivlin could play a key role in helping to quell current tensions. Although the presidency in Israel does not wield executive authority, the president does possess considerable moral authority, “especially this one,” he said, referring to Rivlin.

    Due to Rivlin’s position in the political spectrum, his position “is not necessarily always in tune with what the government, as such, says,” De Soto said.

    He added that Rivlin’s recent call for restraint and peaceful coexistence with the Palestinians, for which he received death threats, “is something that should be heard with great respect.”

    http://www.rt.com/op-edge/311432-att...ael-palestine/

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    Can Jewish refugees claim billions from Arab states?

    More than 700,000 Jews fled from Arab countries by the mid 1960s, most of them immigrating to Israel. The property they left behind is estimated at billions of dollars, but the disintegration process most of these countries are going through doesn’t leave Mizrahi Jews much hope for compensation.
    Dr. Adam Reuter
    Published: 08.03.15, 10:17 / Israel Business

    Mizrahi Jews lived in the Arab domain for many generations, in Iraq from the days of Babylon and in North African countries since the Roman era.

    Throughout certain periods of history, the majority of the world's Jews lived in districts which are now controlled by Arab countries, but as a result of demographic changes and the immigration to Europe in the Middle Ages, only five percent of the world's Jews remained in the area at the beginning of World War II – mainly in Morocco, Iraq, Egypt and Tunisia.

    The standard of living of the Jews in Cairo and in Baghdad on the eve of World War I was higher than the standard of living of Eastern European Jews, who lived in small and mostly remote towns. Their main occupations were in commerce, textile, customs, dressmaking, gold crafting, banking and finances.

    Jewish Refugees
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    In countries under Ottoman rule, Jews could also get into the governmental sector and become high-ranking government workers, tax collectors and even judges. Quite a few Jewish families gained a lot of capital over the generations.

    At the same time, the Zionist movement evoked antagonism among the Arab residents, which increased amid the revival of nationalism. The establishment of Israel increased and intensified the anti-Semitism, leading to a rise in cases of harassment, plunder and even massacres.


    Jewish refugees. Quite a few Jewish families gained a lot of capital over the generations (archive family photo)

    The government of Iraq (which became an independent state in the 1950s) even nationalized Jewish businesses and much Jewish property, allegedly as "compensation" for the Palestinian refugees – but this money mainly reached the hands of senior government members.

    In the early 1960s, Egyptian President Gamal Abdel Nasser nationalized Jewish property in Egypt, and the same happened to Libya's Jews. In Syria, Tunisia and Algeria, most Jews fled with only the clothes they were wearing after the declarations of independence, leaving all their property behind.

    The Jews of Morocco were treated much better, and were perhaps the only ones who could leave in a relatively organized manner with their money, but in many other cases they left their homes and businesses behind.

    By the mid 1960s, more than 700,000 Jews had left the Arab states, most of them immigrating to Israel.

    How much Jewish property was left behind?

    The estimates regarding the property left by Jews in Arab states vary from one source to another and are very difficult to verify, especially as there is a need to conduct a general evaluation of the real estate left behind in today's prices.

    A large portion of nationalized Jewish real estate was left, for example, in the most posh neighborhoods of Cairo, Alexandria and Baghdad. The communal property of Egypt's Jews covered huge areas, including about half of the district of Maadi (a city of villas and gardens located about 20 kilometers from Cairo, where all the luxurious houses have turned into the residences of ambassadors from various countries).
    In addition, there is a need to assess the flow of income from the factories, stores and businesses that the Arab regimes (or Arab neighbors) gained control of after the Jews fled, and which remained operational for many years (in rare cases, some are still operating today). Even the most conservative assessments point to compensation of billions of dollars, which according to some estimates reaches $15-20 billion, and much more.

    What is are the chances of financial compensation?

    One of those trying to collect as much information and possible and raise an interest among members of the veteran generation and among the children of the Israeli refugees is Dr. Edy Cohen, an expert in Middle Eastern affairs and a senior researcher at Bar-Ilan University's Department of Middle Eastern Studies.

    Dr. Cohen, the son of Jewish refugees who fled Lebanon in the 1980s, managed to collect information about this aspect of the "nakba" of the Arab state's Jews as part of his studies. Through the Kedem Forum for Arabic Studies and the conferences he holds, he is trying to create a buzz regarding the need to try to get Mizrahi Jews this huge financial debt back.
    But the Arab states' current disintegration process is not helping the chances of actually receiving compensation. Syria no longer exists as a state, as only 25 percent of the territory is controlled by the Assad regime and the rest is divided between the Islamic State, Jabhat al-Nusra, the national rebels and the Kurds.

    The situation is similar in Iraq, where almost one-third of the territory is already controlled by ISIS. Libya has essentially been divided between a number of large tribes, and the situation in Algeria and Tunisia isn't promising either.

    Of all the countries mentioned so far, the only relevant ones are Egypt and Morocco, which can allegedly afford to pay compensation. Morocco, which has a relatively stable economy, may be capable of paying damages if it has to, but Egypt – which is relying on external donations right now – won't be able to do so.

    An amusing anecdote is the fact that huge Egyptian bank Misr, which has about 500 branches in Egypt and in other countries and which is owned by the Egyptian government, is now claiming ownership of the King David Hotel in Jerusalem. The bank is demanding compensation for the hotel's shares, which it says were expropriated by the Israeli Administrator General in as early as 1948. The Egyptians must have forgotten that the Israeli Administrator General can claim all the assets of Jewish families in Egypt – and that even after deducting the value of the King David Hotel, it could be quite a good deal for the State of Israel.


    Deduction agreement with the Palestinian property?

    In February 2010, the Knesset approved a law safeguarding Jewish refugees' right for compensation. The law states that "as part of negotiations for peace in the Middle East, the government will include the issue of compensating Jewish refugees from Arab states and Iran for the property they lost, including property which was owned by a Jewish community in those countries."

    According to one estimate, the lost property of Palestinians who became refugees following the War of Independence amounts to about 60 percent of the property lost by Jews expelled from Arab states. In the past decades, ideas have been raised about different deduction agreements.

    It's possible that following an international agreement, the United States or other international elements will assume responsibility to financially compensate both sides as part of a final agreement settling this dispute, but in light of the shaky economic situation the entire developed world has been facing since the 2008 crisis, this possibility seems far-fetched at the moment.

    Dr. Adam Reuter is the chairman of the Reuter Meydan Investment House and CEO of Financial Immunities Ltd.
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