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    Model Town vandalism: ATC rejects Gullu Butt's plea for bail

    LAHORE: An anti-terrorism court (ATC) in Lahore Tuesday rejected the bail application of Gullu Butt, the main accused in the Model Town vandalism incident, DawnNews reported.

    During the hearing, Butt’s counsel presented the stance that his client was being accused to implicate him in false cases.

    He said Butt should be granted bail so that he could respond to the allegations against him.

    Lawyers, others thrash Gullu Butt

    Justice Haroon said that such an individual — who spread fear amongst people — should not be released in any case.

    Unleash your inner vandal: Gullu Butt fever inspires mobile app

    Butt, also known as Sher-i-Lahore, came into the limelight after he was caught on cameras brazenly damaging several vehicles in the presence of police, during the clash between Pakistan Awami Tehreek workers and police in Lahore's Model Town on June 17.

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1120283/mod...udicial-remand

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    Containers removal if Qadri takes responsibility for losses: court

    LAHORE: The Lahore High Court on Friday offered lawyers of the Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) to have the containers/hurdles placed in and around Model Town removed if party chief Dr Tahirul Qadri took responsibility for any loss of life or property during his Youm-i-Shuhada.

    Justice Khalid Mahmood Khan gave this option to PAT lawyers when they opposed ‘security measures’ adopted by police and placement of containers on all entry and exit points of Model Town, the area where Dr Qadri resided.

    Justice Khan was hearing two petitions -- against suffering of citizens due to blocking of thoroughfares and arrest of PAT workers and not allowing people to reach Model Town.

    Also read: Police resort to detentions, block roads to Model Town

    The first petition was filed by Hasan Awais, a resident of Model Town, while the other by Manzoor Husain, a PAT worker.

    Advocate Ahmad Awais argued on behalf of the first petitioner that police had blocked all roads leading to Model Town and compelled the residents to stay indoors. He said the government was using all official machinery, force, personnel and equipment to stop PAT from observing Youm-i-Shuhada.

    He said residents of Model Town, Model Town Extension, Faisal Town, Garden Town and Muslim Town were facing massive problems due to the containers placed on almost all roads in the areas.

    Advocate Awais argued the government had no right to disturb lives of citizens due to an individual.

    Punjab Inspector General Mushtaq Sukhera appeared before the court and said containers were placed to protect citizens.

    Punjab Advocate General Hanif Khatana said Dr Qadri had death threats and police adopted strict measures for his protection.

    Justice Khalid Mahmood Khan also summoned the capital city police officer (CCPO) along with the security plan under which a large police force had been deployed and containers placed on roads. The officer presented the plan, however, the judge directed him to submit a revised version on the next hearing.

    Advocate Rafaqat Ali Kahlon argued on behalf of the PAT and said the police took “extraordinary security measures” only to restrict citizens’ participation in the Youm-i-Shuhada gathering.

    Justice Khan sought an affidavit from the lawyer on behalf of Dr Qadri that he would be responsible for any loss of life or damage to property, and the court would order removal of all containers and barricades. However, the judge restrained the police from arresting Pakistan Awami Tehreek lawyers without the permission of the court.

    The judge will resume hearing on Saturday (today).

    Legal notice

    Former secretary of the Lahore High Court Bar Association Rana Asadullah Khan has sent a legal notice to Pakistan Awami Tehreek chief Dr Tahirul Qadri for levelling a false allegation against him.

    Advocate Khan is the younger brother of Punjab Law Minister Rana Mashhood.

    Advocate Khan, in his notice, said he had never been a legal adviser to the Parks and Horticulture Authority (PHA). He also denied an allegation of Dr Qadri that he had been serving the government as legal adviser against a monthly salary of Rs1 million.

    He stated he had been working for TDCP as a legal adviser against a salary of Rs40,000.

    He warned Dr Qadri of legal proceedings if he did not tender an apology.

    The notice further warns that a court of law will be moved for damages of Rs1 billion if Dr Tahirul Qadri fails to apologise for levelling false allegations.

    Published in Dawn, Aug 9th, 2014

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    Re: Pakistan: Eight die as Lahore police clash with Qadri supporters

    Model Town has been transformed into Gaza: Qadri

    LAHORE: Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) chief Dr Tahirul Qadri on Friday labelled the PML-N government “state terrorists” for sealing off roads to his residence in Model Town, Lahore.
    “Model Town has been transformed into Gaza,” said Qadri, referring to the barricade around the Minhajul Quran secretariat and deployment of heavy contingents of police in Model Town.

    “The government has assumed the role of Israel in Gaza,” Qadri alleged, while claiming that thousands of his workers, who have gathered at his house ahead of the planned Youm-e-Shuhada rally, are now running low on food and water supplies due to the government seal off.
    Urging the public to bring food and water for his workers, Qadri insisted that his supporters overcome all obstacles and continue gathering at his residence to transform the future of the country and fight for their rights.

    Qadri said the police has been raiding the houses of PAT workers and arresting them, including women.
    “Innocent PAT workers are being arrested,” he said, adding that present rulers will be held accountable for their actions.
    “The Punjab government and police have made the situation worse in Model Town,” the PAT chief added.

    Refuting police claims that Model Town had been sealed off to ensure his security, Qadri said that the government has not provided him with any security. “If anything, the government has been arresting members of my personal security staff,” he added.
    When asked about whether the Pakistan Tehreek-e-Insaf’s (PTI) chief or he would negotiate with the government on August 14, Qadri said the supporters of PTI and PAT should abandon their leaders if they negotiate with the government or don’t proceed with their planned marches.

    “I request PTI and PAT workers to bring a revolution and support the long march,” said Qadri, reiterating that he would announce the date for his revolution march after Youm-e-Shuhuda.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/745978/m...to-gaza-qadri/

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    Re: Pakistan: Eight die as Lahore police clash with Qadri supporters

    Ji saahbji, damnocracy Khatrey main ....

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    Re: Pakistan: Eight die as Lahore police clash with Qadri supporters

    If Qadri is to be believed, then this is just the start. I fear August will be bloody.

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    [Azadi] march madness: 5 days to go

    With the date for Pakistan Tehreek-i-Insaf’s Azadi march drawing near, each day is bringing with it a new set of moves on the political chessboard.

    But the questions are becoming more pressing with each controversial move and with every passing day.

    Will the government be able to manage the crisis? Is imposing Section 144 in the capital the best possible approach? Will the art of the possible finally yield some results?

    Below is a round-up of the day’s political happenings and statements which will be updated in the build-up to August 14.

    'Qadri is destroying peace'
    Punjab Law Minister Rana Mashood on Saturday said that the government made every effort to speak to Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) chief Tahirul Qadri but that he was determined to destroy the peace in the country.

    “Qadri is inciting violence. He is asking workers to bring wooden sticks with nails fixed at the end — does this happen in any country? The closest comparison to this is the situation in Syria and Libya,” said Mashood, adding that calls for revolution in these volatile countries resulted in civil war and chaos.

    He was speaking at a press conference in Lahore, amidst of the current political crises in the country where Qadri and the Pakistan Muslim League Nawaz (PML-N) have locked horns ahead of Imran Khan’s ‘Azadi’ march.

    55 policemen injured in Gujranwala clash
    At least 55 policemen were injured in clashes with PAT workers in Gujranwala and were being provided medical treatment in the district headquarters hospital.

    Eight out of the 55 injured were in a critical condition. The injured policemen include high-ranking police officials.

    After the clash, the Awami Tehrik workers set off for Lahore for the August 10 Youm-i-Shuhada. The workers also left a trail of vehicles set ablaze.

    PTI denies Imran agreed to call off march for recount on 10 seats
    PTI’s Shireen Mazari has denied that the party had agreed to call off the long march in exchange for vote recount on 10 seats.

    She added that the party’s demands would be announced by Imran on August 14.

    Imran said long march to be called off if recount done on 10 seats: PM
    Addressing the country's civilian and military leadership on Saturday, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif said that after meeting with Imran Khan, Jamaat-i-Islami (JI) chief Sirajul Haq had approached him and had also conveyed PTI’s concerns.

    Nawaz said that Siraj had told him of Imran agreeing to call off the march if recounting was carried out on 10 seats.

    The premier said he was open to discussion on the subject, adding that Imran was welcome for negotiations.

    PAT worker injured in Bhakkar clash dies
    At least one worker of the Pakistan Awami Tehrik (PAT) died in Punjab's Multan district after succumbing to his injuries sustained during a clash in Bhakkar with members of law enforcement agencies.

    The PAT worker was injured in Bhakkar and was shifted to Multan's Nishtar Hospital where he died.

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1124303/aza...s-5-days-to-go

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    Clashes continue: One PAT worker killed, 6 female workers injured in Punjab

    KAMOKE: A day before the party’s ‘Martyrs’ Day’ rally, a worker of the Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) was killed and six female party workers were injured as they clashed with the police in Kamoke, a city in Gujranwala district in Punjab, Express News reported on Saturday.
    Three policemen were reportedly injured in the clashes while three vehicles of the police were damaged as well.



    Supporters of Dr Tahirul Qadri push aside a shipping container blocking access to the leader’s residence in Lahore. PHOTO: EXPRESS/SHAFIQ MALIK

    On August 8, scores of stick-wielding activists of PAT clashed with policemen in Lahore’s Model Town neighbourhood after the city and the province of Punjab were virtually sealed off by the authorities.
    The clashes had broken out when PAT activists attempted to remove large shipping containers that blocked roads and alleyways leading to the Secretariat of Minhajul Quran International. At least seven policemen and at least four PAT activists were wounded in the melee.

    Pitched battles were also fought in other cities of Punjab when policemen tried to stop PAT workers from travelling to Lahore to attend the ‘Martyrs’ Day’ rally.

    PAT workers had set alight the Quaidabad police station in Khushab district Friday night. Official records and furniture were burnt to ashes, while PAT workers had allegedly freed 11 accused from the lockup. They had overpowered eight police officials, beat them up and kept them hostage for over two hours.

    According to officials, 50 buses carrying PAT activists from Mianwali, Joharabad, Quaidabad and other adjourning areas were en route to Lahore to participate in the Martyrs Day when the Quaidabad police had intercepted the convoy on Bhakkar-Mianwali Road.

    The police had plucked the drivers from the buses and thrashed them up. Angered by the police action, PAT workers on board the buses had attacked the police, forcing them to run for safety. However, the enraged PAT activists had chased them into the police station.

    While throwing stones, some PAT workers had forced their way into the police station where they looted the Maal Khana and released 11 accused from the lockup. Before fleeing, they had set fire to the police station and damaged elite force vehicles, seven motorcycles and three cars standing outside the police station.

    In Bhakkar, a police contingent had conducted a raid in the Daggar Olakh area to detain PAT workers but local residents overpowered the policemen. They were freed after successful negotiations between senior police officials and residents. One PAT worker, who was wounded in the clash, had reportedly succumbed to his injuries later in the night.

    PAT activists had also clashed with the police in several parts of Faisalabad division, including Chiniot City, Chenab Nagar and City Gojra.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/746368/c...red-in-punjab/

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    Govt has crossed limits of tyranny: Tahirul Qadri

    LAHORE: Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) chief Dr Tahirul Qadri on Saturday announced that his party and supporters would be observing Youm-i-Shuhada on August 10 and would be holding sit-ins across the country.

    Speaking to media representatives in Lahore, Qadri said the rulers were willing to harm the country to any degree in order to safeguard their own government.

    Qadri claimed that seven of his supporters had been killed in "straight firing" from the police. However, his claims could not be confirmed.

    He said the government had crossed the limits of tyranny and the people were on the receiving end.


    Qadri said the government was so cruel that it was not letting PAT workers carry those wounded in clashes with law enforcement personnel to hospitals for treatment.

    The PAT chief said the government had closed the borders linking Punjab to Sindh and Balochistan and was taking all measures at its disposal against his party.

    Qadri advised his supporters travelling from different towns and villages to stay put and hold sit-ins and demonstrations at their current venues instead of marching towards Lahore and endangering their security.


    He also accused the government of cutting of "food and water supplies from Model Town", which he claimed was being done to "starve the workers" of his party.


    Earlier today, At least one PAT worker died in Punjab's Multan district after succumbing to his injuries sustained during a clash in Bhakkar with members of law enforcement agencies.

    Two companies of Rangers arrive in Lahore

    Two companies of Rangers have been stationed in Lahore to maintain law and order in the city and its outer areas in the backdrop of PAT's Youm-i-Shuhada.

    The Rangers have been mandated to assist the police and district administration in maintaining law and order.

    The paramilitary force was sent to the district following a request from the administration — one company has been designated security duties for Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's Jati Umra residence and the second is currently stationed at Qadhafi stadium and is on standby.

    The remaining two companies slated to be posted in the district will be brought in any time.

    The government had initially recommended that 10 companies be posted in Lahore. However, eventually the administration and the Rangers authorities had agreed that four companies would be brought in.

    PAT worker injured in Bhakkar clash dies
    At least one PAT worker died in Punjab's Multan district after succumbing to his injuries sustained during a clash in Bhakkar with members of law enforcement agencies.

    The PAT worker was injured in Bhakkar and was shifted to Multan's Nishtar Hospital where he died.

    A number of policemen were reportedly injured in clashes with Awami Tehrik workers across Punjab.

    55 policemen injured in Gujranwala clash
    At least 55 policemen were injured in clashes with PAT workers in Gujranwala and were being provided medical treatment in the district headquarters hospital.

    Eight out of the 55 injured were in a critical condition.

    The injured policemen include high-ranking police officials.

    After the clash, the Awami Tehrik workers set off for Lahore for the August 10 Youm-i-Shuhada. The workers also left a trail of vehicles set ablaze.

    A PAT official also claimed that at least one female worker died and 16 other party members were injured due to firing.

    The clashes started when workers faced obstacles on their way on Qila Chand Bypass, Toll plaza, Aimenabad turn and Sadhuki where police personnel had placed containers to block the way.

    During the movement, a clash erupted between policemen and PAT workers with policemen firing tear gas shells and baton-charging Qadri’s supporters.

    Protestors broke windows and damaged vehicles of police and set motorcycles on fire.

    Three policemen briefly taken hostage by PAT workers in Lahore
    Three policemen were briefly taken hostage by PAT workers in Lahore on Saturday.

    At the time, the Awami Tehrik workers had said that they will take more policemen hostage if “provoked” and demanded the release of their arrested colleagues in exchange for the policemen. .

    The personnel who were in custody of PAT members said they were going to their duty points when Awami Tehrik workers ambushed them, snatching away their arms as well as other possessions.

    The policemen were released in a couple of hours.

    15 policemen taken hostage in Jhelum
    Moreover, in Jhelum's Pind Dadan Khan town, PAT workers were holding 15 police personnel hostage following a clash.

    The policemen were taken hostage after the workers thwarted the barriers fixed to restrict their movement in the area.

    — Hasnain Zaidi from Multan, Iqbal Mirza from Gujranwala and Arif Malik and Umair Rana from Lahore contributed to reporting

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    This is really tragic. I saw on Pakistani TV on how this "Army of women" were training themselves physically, it was quite a shocking sight, I think they were getting prepared for things to get violent. Compared to this, the PTI supporters seem much more peaceful and mainstream.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Express View Post
    Govt has crossed limits of tyranny: Tahirul Qadri

    LAHORE: Pakistan Awami Tehreek (PAT) chief Dr Tahirul Qadri on Saturday announced that his party and supporters would be observing Youm-i-Shuhada on August 10 and would be holding sit-ins across the country.

    Speaking to media representatives in Lahore, Qadri said the rulers were willing to harm the country to any degree in order to safeguard their own government.

    Qadri claimed that seven of his supporters had been killed in "straight firing" from the police. However, his claims could not be confirmed.

    He said the government had crossed the limits of tyranny and the people were on the receiving end.


    Qadri said the government was so cruel that it was not letting PAT workers carry those wounded in clashes with law enforcement personnel to hospitals for treatment.

    The PAT chief said the government had closed the borders linking Punjab to Sindh and Balochistan and was taking all measures at its disposal against his party.

    Qadri advised his supporters travelling from different towns and villages to stay put and hold sit-ins and demonstrations at their current venues instead of marching towards Lahore and endangering their security.


    He also accused the government of cutting of "food and water supplies from Model Town", which he claimed was being done to "starve the workers" of his party.


    Earlier today, At least one PAT worker died in Punjab's Multan district after succumbing to his injuries sustained during a clash in Bhakkar with members of law enforcement agencies.

    Two companies of Rangers arrive in Lahore

    Two companies of Rangers have been stationed in Lahore to maintain law and order in the city and its outer areas in the backdrop of PAT's Youm-i-Shuhada.

    The Rangers have been mandated to assist the police and district administration in maintaining law and order.

    The paramilitary force was sent to the district following a request from the administration — one company has been designated security duties for Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif's Jati Umra residence and the second is currently stationed at Qadhafi stadium and is on standby.

    The remaining two companies slated to be posted in the district will be brought in any time.

    The government had initially recommended that 10 companies be posted in Lahore. However, eventually the administration and the Rangers authorities had agreed that four companies would be brought in.

    PAT worker injured in Bhakkar clash dies
    At least one PAT worker died in Punjab's Multan district after succumbing to his injuries sustained during a clash in Bhakkar with members of law enforcement agencies.

    The PAT worker was injured in Bhakkar and was shifted to Multan's Nishtar Hospital where he died.

    A number of policemen were reportedly injured in clashes with Awami Tehrik workers across Punjab.

    55 policemen injured in Gujranwala clash
    At least 55 policemen were injured in clashes with PAT workers in Gujranwala and were being provided medical treatment in the district headquarters hospital.

    Eight out of the 55 injured were in a critical condition.

    The injured policemen include high-ranking police officials.

    After the clash, the Awami Tehrik workers set off for Lahore for the August 10 Youm-i-Shuhada. The workers also left a trail of vehicles set ablaze.

    A PAT official also claimed that at least one female worker died and 16 other party members were injured due to firing.

    The clashes started when workers faced obstacles on their way on Qila Chand Bypass, Toll plaza, Aimenabad turn and Sadhuki where police personnel had placed containers to block the way.

    During the movement, a clash erupted between policemen and PAT workers with policemen firing tear gas shells and baton-charging Qadri’s supporters.

    Protestors broke windows and damaged vehicles of police and set motorcycles on fire.

    Three policemen briefly taken hostage by PAT workers in Lahore
    Three policemen were briefly taken hostage by PAT workers in Lahore on Saturday.

    At the time, the Awami Tehrik workers had said that they will take more policemen hostage if “provoked” and demanded the release of their arrested colleagues in exchange for the policemen. .

    The personnel who were in custody of PAT members said they were going to their duty points when Awami Tehrik workers ambushed them, snatching away their arms as well as other possessions.

    The policemen were released in a couple of hours.

    15 policemen taken hostage in Jhelum
    Moreover, in Jhelum's Pind Dadan Khan town, PAT workers were holding 15 police personnel hostage following a clash.

    The policemen were taken hostage after the workers thwarted the barriers fixed to restrict their movement in the area.

    — Hasnain Zaidi from Multan, Iqbal Mirza from Gujranwala and Arif Malik and Umair Rana from Lahore contributed to reporting
    Qadri is hell bent on creating maximum destruction. I believe he is beginning to entice and show his supporters the path to create a situation where it is inevitable that violence and confrontation will be the result.
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    Quote Originally Posted by manuu View Post
    Qadri is hell bent on creating maximum destruction. I believe he is beginning to entice and show his supporters the path to create a situation where it is inevitable that violence and confrontation will be the result.
    He is adamant that he will oust Shareef in the next 3 weeks.

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    Re: Pakistan: Eight die as Lahore police clash with Qadri supporters

    The country is on the edge of civil war and this nut job Qadri is really creating havoc.

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    Re: Pakistan: Eight die as Lahore police clash with Qadri supporters

    Government is taking undemocratic steps and they are making records of violence and killing of civilians. It was chaliswan, only Youm e shuhada on 10 august for Quran khawani event, but government ordered the police to directly shoot the PAT workers to teach Imran khan a lesson.

    Quote Originally Posted by alihamza View Post
    Compared to this, the PTI supporters seem much more peaceful and mainstream.
    Just tell me,



    If gullu police burst their tyres, and heavily shells them, They will remain Quiet....?
    Simply Stated.

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    No this is not Gaza. This is (Bhera) Pakistan .... And then people blame the government ... Are we really living in a "banana republic" .. ?? Is there no one who can stop Mullah Qadri from spreading anarchy and Mobocracy ??
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    Re: Pakistan: Eight die as Lahore police clash with Qadri supporters

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    No this is not Gaza. This is (Bhera) Pakistan ....
    Not a pretty site. Nawaz has offered talks to resolve outstanding issues. Whilst I am not a fan of Nawaz, Taliban Khan and Qadri would be bigger if they tried at least to negotiate before causing unrest in this manner. Whats up with Taliban Khan he is prepared to talk to TTP at the drop of a hat but wont talk to the elected govt. Even if he is right he would not have won enough seats to command a majority in the NA
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    PAT`s Gullu Butt(s) ... !!

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    The problem is, this is all PML-N and Sharif family's doing. As [MENTION=1244]Muse[/MENTION] said, "damnocracy Khatrey main"; it's actually badshahat khatre mein. The badshahat Nawaz Sharif got inspired from Saudi Arabia, although he was always a badshah. This is not democracy.

    About 4-5 months ago, the Nawaz Sharif government had very little opposition. But the tide changed recently with the Model Town incident. The government resorted to violent means to quell the protesting, which resulted in innocent people getting killed. That was a recipe for disaster.

    The Army has been a major player in the uprising of Tahir ul Qadri. Tahir ul Qadri is promoting the interests of the Army. Tahir ul Qadri doesn't accept the constitution, and hence the way the Sharif party got into power. Right now, the Sharif government is in power, and none of the stakeholders (i.e. mainly the Army) has much say in the affairs of Pakistan. They (the Army) are very unhappy with this. However, with the constitution in place, the Armed Forces just overthrow the government or the judiciary, that would be unconstitutional. That is why Tahir ul Qadri is doing their work. The demand is an interim (national coalition) government which will protect the interests of the Armed Forces more, do electoral reforms, and we shall see when the elections take place with those changes. The main point is to protect the interests of the Armed Forces.

    Nawaz Sharif put himself in a bad place with the Armed Forces with the Musharraf trial, the talks with the Taliban; and he can only blame himself. He can only blame himself for what happened in Model Town. If they had been flexible before, and not done things with iron fist, dictatorship style; things would have never reached this point. I think the Nawaz Sharif government is in huge trouble now, it seems cornered.

    And calling a meeting on Zarb-e-Azb with the Armed Forces, and talking about Tahir ul Qadri was pathetic. Nawaz Sharif hardly ever attending the Parliamentary sessions: all his making. All the stakeholders in the country have lost faith in him and his government, and the next stage of governance in Pakistan is being set.
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    Re: Pakistan: Eight die as Lahore police clash with Qadri supporters

    How long have we at PAF been hammering at this :


    Reforming Pakistani politics

    By Shahzad Chaudhry
    Published: August 9, 2014


    The writer is a defence analyst who retired as air-vice marshal in the Pakistan Air Force

    Politics in Pakistan is at a crossroads, yet again. Every few years that it gets an opportunity to resurrect, it begins its journey anew seeking an undisturbed run. Yet, at every such opportunity, it has stumbled: engendering a period of tenuousness in the political climate, making way for another order — mostly military. This alternation between politics and military is instructive in Pakistan’s historical experience.

    On every rebound of the political system, it has always been the same set of political beliefs, structures, personalities and ethos (vile mostly, in common perception) that have reemerged, taking over from where the process had discontinued. What has been absent is the need to revamp and review the political structure itself to stem repeated failure, adding greater efficiency and resilience to it in the face of contemporary challenges. To the larger Pakistani mind, politics in its existing shape has not performed; and that remains a disturbing trend.

    Traditionally, the need for such critical introspection is lost to an almost cliched characterisation of political fallibility as a battle between democracy and dictatorship. This has been politics’ most hurtful bane, since it obviates the need for it to examine itself from within. The PML-N, today, faces the consequence of a similar trend. Steeped in archaic political mindsets and methodologies, the performance of an entity as experienced as the PML-N, finds its performance grossly inadequate. This is when alternative forces begin to rear their heads.

    Imran Khan (IK)’s and Dr Tahirul Qadri’s (TuQ) challenge to the system in place is a reflection of the malady that afflicts our politics. The remedy that each professes is another indicator of the misconception that stems from a less than adequate effort to seek wholesome resolution instead of immediate political returns. There is a need for some altruism if indeed the long-term interest of the people is the real intent. At the moment, both TuQ and IK betray something far short of that.

    IK wants to ascend the throne. His lament on electoral malpractices is spot on, but is far short of the complete list of possibilities that must be included to update the political system to its current-day needs. He should instead work towards gaining a broad-spectrum treatment of our political ills, not merely fight to gain power. Such an approach will get him popular acceptability. His approach in the present effort must retain flexibility to negotiate for optimum advantage, not necessarily maximum advantage.

    This, in short order then, is the malady: elections are historically rigged in various degrees and historically accepted as such, subsuming all associated ills — those who lose pledge to do better the next time in terms of their power and prowess and how they should manipulate the process more effectively in their favour. There is never a thought on how to eliminate fraud that renders the whole process non-credible.

    Those who make it to the assemblies use the opportunity to extract their returns rather than spend effort towards achieving the common good. That appropriates corruption, giving it the informal acceptability of how the wheels of government are greased. Handouts to members, under the popular ruse of development, is the biggest ruckus that runs the town. The lack of debate in parliament on issues of national importance, too, smacks of incapacity of the chosen members and of their dubious antecedence. Articles 62 and 63 of the Constitution stipulate the spiritual and moral qualifications of a prospective member, but fail hopelessly to address his/her professional or qualitative capacity to address and call to accountability, matters that relate to governance and policy formulation. As a consequence, the police, the judiciary and the bureaucracy, that administer day-to-day matters for the common people, remain unbridled and unaccountable
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    Governments are judged on two basic criteria: governance and policy formulation. To most political set-ups, these remain the farthest in dispensation. When in positions of power, chosen legislators tend to work on policies, which perpetuate their hold over power and enrich their coffers. The Eighteenth, Nineteenth and Twentieth Amendments, ostensibly meant to democratise a tampered Constitution, have only strengthened the political establishment as an exclusive club. The culture of SROs is a known avenue of political governments to reward crony capitalism. The social contract in such political dispensations then becomes tenuous. It is under such conditions that sitting governments become vulnerable to disruptions from unrepresentative quarters; TuQ finds relevance under such existential inadequacies.

    Political parties are the main stakeholders of any democracy, but in an ironic travesty, they are also the least democratic from the inside. Any election held within them is a sham and is meant to perpetuate the hold of a dynasty. Servility and henchmanship serves the route to success in such a political culture. These, then, are the people who will make legislators. Shorn of wider representation from an expanded base, which could ensure inclusion of specialists in policy areas, the output of these political parties in power remains hopelessly feeble and of a very poor quality. Democracy suffers when it is unable to give a good account of itself. There is a need to democratise political parties with wider representation through lateral inclusions of policy experts, who bring along intellect, experience and wisdom in the areas of policy and governance.

    So then, what should IK do? He will not get the prime minister to resign, nor will he be able to dislodge the government. He should instead crown his valiant effort of organising mass agitation by seeking concessions and a formalised agreement through consensus from all political players of a new blueprint for a political system that should include remedial measures for known ills. A new political culture must include an unimpeachable electoral process, beginning with a full census at the national level. It must seek to legislate democratic principles within political parties and bind representation on a wider scale, going deep down to the local bodies level. A culture of good governance should be mandated with stricter retributions for deviations that render the democratic system a sham and self-serving. Structural changes, where needed, including increase of numbers of legislators in both houses, may also be considered. Downsizing provinces into smaller units is not only an administrative need, it is as much a democratic imperative; it should be a part of a larger understanding. Each of these should be timelined to ensure strict compliance. This fracas can only be resolved through negotiation; it is time to add value to it.
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    Re: Pakistan: Eight die as Lahore police clash with Qadri supporters

    The violent way the police dealt the protesters last night was ferocious. It looks like more violence today.

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    Maybe some good can come out of this is that those that rig will be less likely to do so in the future.

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