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    Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    A female Indian diplomat told how she broke down in tears after being arrested, stripped and cavity-searched in New York, as the US embassy became the focus Wednesday of outrage at her treatment.

    Devyani Khobragade, the deputy consul general in New York, described how she endured "repeated handcuffing, stripping and cavity searches" after her arrest which has sparked a series of diplomatic reprisals from India.

    Nationalist protestors were due to gather at the American embassy in New Delhi to vent their anger, the day after mechanical diggers and tow-trucks removed security barricades from outside the mission.

    Rattled by the scale of the anger in India, the US State Department sought to calm tensions and said the arrest last Thursday should not be allowed to damage bilateral relations.

    The Indian media meanwhile hailed the government for its strong line as Khobragade's case dominated television news bulletins, in the build-up to national elections.

    In an email to colleagues published by the media, Khobragade said she stressed to arresting authorities that she had diplomatic immunity only to suffer repeated searches and jailed with "common criminals".

    "I must admit that I broke down many times as the indignities of repeated handcuffing, stripping and cavity searches, swabbing, in a hold-up with common criminals and drug addicts were all being imposed upon me despite my incessant assertions of immunity," she said in the email published in the Times of India.

    "I got the strength to regain composure and remain dignified thinking that I must represent all of my colleagues and my country with confidence and pride," she added.

    Khobragade was arrested as she dropped her children at school for allegedly underpaying her Indian domestic helper, and for lying on the helper's visa application form.

    The arrest touches a number of hot buttons in India, where fear of public humiliation, particularly among the middle and upper classes, resonates deeply, and pay and conditions for servants is kept mostly private.

    In New York in 2011, an Indian diplomat was accused of treating his domestic helper as a "slave" by forcing her to work long hours for $300 a month, confiscating her passport and making her sleep in a closet. India backed the diplomat and expressed disappointment over his treatment.

    Protesters from the hardline nationalist outfit the Rashtriya Swayamsevak Sangh (RSS) have organised a rally outside the embassy later Wednesday.

    State Department deputy spokeswoman Marie Harf admitted it was a "sensitive issue" but insisted it was a "separate and isolated incident" which should not "be tied together" and allowed to affect broader US-Indian ties.

    Harf added that as a consular official, Khobragade does not have full diplomatic immunity, but has consular immunity applicable only to her professional duties.

    The diplomat's treatment has been widely condemned by the Indian media, with front-page headlines reflecting the sense of outrage.

    As well as removing the barricades around the embassy, authorities in Delhi have also demanded that US consular officials return identity cards that speed up travel into and through India and halted import clearances for the embassy, including for alcohol.

    With the elections just months away in India, both the ruling Congress party and the main opposition are keen to be seen as standing up to the United States over the issue.

    "India takes on Uncle Sam," read the front-page headline of The Hindustan Times, while the Mail Today splashed with "Bulldozer Diplomacy" on top of a picture of a digger outside the US embassy.

    The Times of India said that Khobragade's arrest had been "downright humiliating" and said the United States was guilty of hypocrisy.

    "There are double standards at play here, as US authorities would not have flouted protocol similarly if the accused had been Chinese or British," it said in an editorial.

    "For that matter, what would US reaction have been if their diplomats had been subjected to similar treatment abroad for alleged minor transgressions of local legislation?"

    http://www.globalpost.com/dispatch/n...-us-body-probe

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    Serves her right. It gives me great satisfaction that she was humiliated this way.

    Editorial is right, though: had it been a Chinese, Brit, or German, she/he would not be treated this way. Indians are still treated and thought of as untermensch.
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    Their country their law. Don't know what all the fuss is. She is a law breaker. India (like the rest of the sub continent) must face reality. You break the law then expect to get smacked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Serves her right. It gives me great satisfaction that she was humiliated this way.

    Editorial is right, though: had it been a Chinese, Brit, or German, she/he would not be treated this way. Indians are still treated and thought of as untermensch.
    you mean the way she was treated was right ?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    you mean the way she was treated was right ?
    The hell she wasn't. She was humiliated. Indians like Pakistanis must face the facts and reality. The west try on all occasions to put down our nations and of course our patrons never let them down by constantly breaking the law.
    They are racist. They hate our region and Indian diplomat should have known better and let this incident be a lesson to those that should really know better about employment law in third party countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    you mean the way she was treated was right ?
    She belongs to a privileged class (in both India and Pakistan) I've always been excluded from when I lived there. These are members of a class who can't be touched by law in their own countries. These types mercilessly abuse their domestic servants back home, go through red lights, and flout the law in numerous other ways. They expect similar treatment in the First World for their transgressions, then become tearful when subjected to cavity searches. Serves her right. These scum are at the same time compradors -- enablers of white imperialism and neo-colonialism in the Third World, spouting horsesh!t about women's rights and other such garbage. Hypocrites, liars, cheats, scumbags. I've absolutely no sympathy for her. At the same time, had this been a German or Chinese, the treatment would have been different, deferential, a slap on the wrist at most. The West doesn't have much respect for its brown-skinned compradors, and treats these compradors the same way these compardors treat their domestic servants in India (and Pakistan).
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Breaking the law in a nation where you are on diplomatic activity is out of order. This woman needed to behave properly. She unfortunately didn't. Behaved like an arrogant fool, hence got treated accordingly.

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    She's not the only one, by the way:

    http://www.firstpost.com/world/devya...y-1291527.html

    In 2012 Neena Malhotra, India’s cultural and press counselor in New York was ordered to pay out nearly $1.5 million for forcing an underaged Indian girl to work with little to no pay in their plush 43rd Street Manhattan apartment. She had been told she would be raped, beaten and sent to India as “cargo” if she left the home without their permission.

    In 2011 Prabhu Dayal, the consul general in New York was accused of treating his domestic help as a “slave”. Santosh Bhardwaj, the maid in question, said in her lawsuit that she was forced to work long hours for $300 a month, her passport was confiscated and she had to sleep in a storage closet. She also alleged sexual overtures which Dayal vehemently denied.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Seems like she has a history:

    http://news.oneindia.in/feature/who-...e-1361314.html

    It is not that she was marred with controversies for the first time. She is alleged to have been involved in Mumbai's Adarsh Housing society scam, 2 years ago. As per media reports, despite owning a house in Mumbai, which was allotted to her under the state government's 10 per cent quota, she got another apartment at the Adarsh in 2005-2006.
    And while these f***ing Indian middle and upper classes are involved full throttle in all kinds of gapleybazi, chori, and badmashi, they also like to pose in this manner:

    A passionate traveller, reader, a yoga enthusiast, musician and dancer, she is also an ardent social worker. Just a few months ago, she twitted about her involvement in social service, saying "I am helping to change the way the world sees arts education. Join me in supporting Project Art." In New York, she is handling the women's rights department.
    What the US should do is flog her behind with a cat 'o nine tails, send a stern message to the Indian government that this kind of crooked behavior might be par for the course in India -- but not the USA, and then deport Khobragade in handcuffs.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Diplomatic immunity?.................

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    She's not the only one, by the way:

    http://www.firstpost.com/world/devya...y-1291527.html
    For the love of god why does India bring rape into everything?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    She belongs to a privileged class (in both India and Pakistan) I've always been excluded from when I lived there. These are members of a class who can't be touched by law in their own countries. These types mercilessly abuse their domestic servants back home, go through red lights, and flout the law in numerous other ways. They expect similar treatment in the First World for their transgressions, then become tearful when subjected to cavity searches. Serves her right. These scum are at the same time compradors -- enablers of white imperialism and neo-colonialism in the Third World, spouting horsesh!t about women's rights and other such garbage. Hypocrites, liars, cheats, scumbags. I've absolutely no sympathy for her. At the same time, had this been a German or Chinese, the treatment would have been different, deferential, a slap on the wrist at most. The West doesn't have much respect for its brown-skinned compradors, and treats these compradors the same way these compardors treat their domestic servants in India (and Pakistan).
    only Indian and Pakistani diplomats are privilege class ? Not the American one's ?And you are arguing, because she belongs to a privileged class any ill treatment on her by anybody especially when it is from another country *is welcome and acceptable and you will cheer up for such *actions ? what if she was from your country ? will your stand be the same as you mentioned ? By this stand are you implying that the privileged class of people from every country politicians, diplomats, etc can be abused because you allege *that they often get away special treatment and immunity which are un due ? regardless of what your answer is I, like every other Indian sees her as a representative of India in United states, and we would not allow them to abuse our representatives we wouldn't cheer about such *treatment of our diplomats with a revenge mentality against their supposed over privileged states..because it's not about a person or a class of people but about the prestige of our nation. Btw what mis treatment of domestic help are you accusing ? if *you look at it logically then the there is no mistreatment, the problem here is a wrong law applied on wrong place and it needs to be amended or exemptions are to be allowed to Indian and diplomats from other countries as per currency value. devayani was paying *3 $ per hours except from housing,travel, and medical expenses.The dollar rupee difference makes it impossible for Indian diplomat to pay huge amounts to her servants..Thirsty thousand rupee P/M in India is more than three times the salary of a similar worker..So there is no slavery or underpaying if you apply logic..so US needs to look at the blind blanket application of law and make necessary adjustments instead of throwing the law book at India, if they do so then we would be forced to respond in the same manner and use some Indian laws against American diplomats in India.ie. same sex partners of American diplomats can be arrested because it's a crime in India..so what I am saying is existence of a law doesn't always mean that the law or it's application is always right..when it's observed that something is wrong with the law then people should work around the law, change or amend the law..because ultimate aim of every law is to serve justice ..and in this case devayani has done no wrong and she deserves justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    only Indian and Pakistani diplomats are privilege class ? Not the American one's ?And you are arguing, because she belongs to a privileged class any ill treatment on her by anybody especially when it is from another country *is welcome and acceptable and you will cheer up for such *actions ? what if she was from your country ? will your stand be the same as you mentioned ? By this stand are you implying that the privileged class of people from every country politicians, diplomats, etc can be abused because you allege *that they often get away special treatment and immunity which are un due ? regardless of what your answer is I, like every other Indian sees her as a representative of India in United states, and we would not allow them to abuse our representatives we wouldn't cheer about such *treatment of our diplomats with a revenge mentality against their supposed over privileged states..because it's not about a person or a class of people but about the prestige of our nation. Btw what mis treatment of domestic help are you accusing ? if *you look at it logically then the there is no mistreatment, the problem here is a wrong law applied on wrong place and it needs to be amended or exemptions are to be allowed to Indian and diplomats from other countries as per currency value. devayani was paying *3 $ per hours except from housing,travel, and medical expenses.The dollar rupee difference makes it impossible for Indian diplomat to pay huge amounts to her servants..Thirsty thousand rupee P/M in India is more than three times the salary of a similar worker..So there is no slavery or underpaying if you apply logic..so US needs to look at the blind blanket application of law and make necessary adjustments instead of throwing the law book at India, if they do so then we would be forced to respond in the same manner and use some Indian laws against American diplomats in India.ie. same sex partners of American diplomats can be arrested because it's a crime in India..so what I am saying is existence of a law doesn't always mean that the law or it's application is always right..when it's observed that something is wrong with the law then people should work around the law, change or amend the law..because ultimate aim of every law is to serve justice ..and in this case devayani has done no wrong and she deserves justice.
    but Agno you cant pay her Indian rates if she is living in the USA. You have to understand bro they look for an excuse and find it. She must have known the law and has had previous. Difficult to sympathise and these Amreekans like to rub it in, although Kerry is trying to smooth the matter over today.

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    but Agno you cant pay her Indian rates if she is living in the USA. You have to understand bro they look for an excuse and find it. She must have known the law and has had previous. Difficult to sympathise and these Amreekans like to rub it in, although Kerry is trying to smooth the matter over today.
    Indian diplomats salary is $ 4120
    if she has to pay her maid as per US standards then the amount will be $ 4500 dollars..that is more than what the diplomat earns herself.
    let us see why is this minimum wages law is in place ? it is to ensure that people are getting paid enough to live comfortably and support their family also.

    Now case in point is a Indian diplomat who is paid by Indian govt by Indian standards, the maid is a Indian, she is provided with food, stay, medical and travel expenses and being paid by 30000 rupee per month..so you can see the amount she receives is a saving since all her other expenses are being taken care off. this set up ensures natural justice to both employer and employee. application of existing American law on Indian diplomats will tilt this balance , it denies natural justice to the Indian diplomat.. or diplomats from any other third world, low currency rate countries..so what good is a law if it's application will violate the natural justice ? so when you recognise a anomaly in the application of law you should make exceptions and amendments in the law so that nobody's rights are harmed..and both parties are provided with a environment where both can survive..


    technically you can say it's against the rules but logically Indian and other countries diplomats should be allowed to pay their helpers from home country to pay as per their standards.

    It's easy to throw the law book and say you are guilty..but that's not what civilized and rational people do, especially at diplomatic levels...US has to give exceptions to Indian diplomats on this wage issue considering different salary and currency rate standards..otherwise we in India can find enough laws which they are in violation of..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    Indian diplomats salary is $ 4120
    How can she possibly survive on this in the USA yaar?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    Indian diplomats salary is $ 4120
    if she has to pay her maid as per US standards then the amount will be $ 4500 dollars..that is more than what the diplomat earns herself.
    Err... the minimum wage is 10$ an hour a/c to another article. Is she getting 450 hours of work out of her maid in a month? That's like 15 hours a day!

    And wow, she can't afford it so let's underpay the poor woman and break laws. For your kind information, she could do what the rest of us who can't afford domestic help overseas do. Not hire them

    And also, she has no diplomatic immunity. The Indians have tried transferring her to get her that immunity!

    Any source for her salary? And if she's paid 4120$, isn't her minimum wage also being violated by India?
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    Quote Originally Posted by truthseer View Post
    Err... the minimum wage is 10$ an hour a/c to another article. Is she getting 450 hours of work out of her maid in a month? That's like 15 hours a day!

    And wow, she can't afford it so let's underpay the poor woman and break laws. For your kind information, she could do what the rest of us who can't afford domestic help overseas do. Not hire them

    And also, she has no diplomatic immunity. The Indians have tried transferring her to get her that immunity!

    Any source for her salary? And if she's paid 4120$, isn't her minimum wage also being violated by India?
    Am struggling with the maths here too. As [MENTION=2235]Wolf[/MENTION] as already explained its not her first brush with the law. Perhaps India made a mistake appointing her?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Serves her right. It gives me great satisfaction that she was humiliated this way.

    Editorial is right, though: had it been a Chinese, Brit, or German, she/he would not be treated this way. Indians are still treated and thought of as untermensch.
    The editorial is technically incorrect in labeling Devyani a 'diplomat' - apparently her diplomatic credentials had not been accepted at the timer of her arrest, and the US Marshall service verified her diplomatic status with the State Department before proceeding with her arrest and detention. Once the State Department made it clear that Devyani did not have diplomatic status, SOP of the US Marshall Service kicked in, and Devyani was arrested and treated like any non-diplomat facing similar charges would be treated.

    The Indian government and media are doing what they do best (as we often see in the case of Pakistan) drumming up public hysteria, hate and anger by exaggerating the situation and covering up their own faults. The Indian Foreign Affairs Ministry must have known that Devyani was applying for a visa for domestic help, and they should have flagged the issue, met with Devyani to explain US labor laws, and obtained assurances that Devyani could afford to pay the maid accordingly.

    So, either the Indian Foreign Affairs Ministry was incompetent in not realizing what was happening, complicit in lying to the US government about the actual compensation being given to the maid, or Devyani outright lied to her employers as well as the US government. If the latter, the Indian government should in fact be looking into conducting disciplinary action against Devyani for lying about her financial means to afford a maid in the US rather than attacking the US for implementing her laws.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superkaif View Post
    How can she possibly survive on this in the USA yaar?
    I knew a German diplomat in NYC (in charge of visas and passports) who was making a bit more ($5,000 a month). She had a rent-subsidised apartment paid for by the German government (rent was $4,000, out of which she paid $1,000). It can be done. The difference was she was cleaning and maintaining her apartment herself -- no underpaid and exploited maids. That's one big difference between Europeans and privileged South Asians.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgNoStIc MuSliM View Post
    The editorial is technically incorrect in labeling Devyani a 'diplomat' - apparently her diplomatic credentials had not been accepted at the timer of her arrest, and the US Marshall service verified her diplomatic status with the State Department before proceeding with her arrest and detention. Once the State Department made it clear that Devyani did not have diplomatic status, SOP of the US Marshall Service kicked in, and Devyani was arrested and treated like any non-diplomat facing similar charges would be treated.

    The Indian government and media are doing what they do best (as we often see in the case of Pakistan) drumming up public hysteria, hate and anger by exaggerating the situation and covering up their own faults. The Indian Foreign Affairs Ministry must have known that Devyani was applying for a visa for domestic help, and they should have flagged the issue, met with Devyani to explain US labor laws, and obtained assurances that Devyani could afford to pay the maid accordingly.

    So, either the Indian Foreign Affairs Ministry was incompetent in not realizing what was happening, complicit in lying to the US government about the actual compensation being given to the maid, or Devyani outright lied to her employers as well as the US government. If the latter, the Indian government should in fact be looking into conducting disciplinary action against Devyani for lying about her financial means to afford a maid in the US rather than attacking the US for implementing her laws.
    I agree. I can't argue with anything you're saying here. The Pakistanis would probably have been a but more careful but the underlying attitude -- which they bring from the Indian subcontinent -- is "Sub chaltha hey, yaar." They don't obey the laws in their own country (almost no-one does), then they're amazed when they get done for flouting the laws of another country.
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