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    * Unlike the diplomat the maid didn't have to entertain high profile guests, ...
    Absolutely. Boy, all those cocktails, all that partying, all that socialising -- diplomacy is hard work. Compared to that, cleaning the toilet is a joke.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

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    Absolutely. Boy, all those cocktails, all that partying, all that socialising -- diplomacy is hard work. Compared to that, cleaning the toilet is a joke.
    fortunately that's how the world works..and that's how it should be..if you are a nani you will not get the salary or comforts of a diplomat..all she can expect is respect for her profession and a basic minimum salary..and she as a Indian citizen working under a Indian diplomat who is getting payed as per Indian salary grades is getting a handsome salary package as per Indian standards.
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    I have a feeling this could get even more embarrassing for india if they make a bigger issue out of this, clearly, their pressurization tactics are not working on the US, and the US is refusing to budge. There is no doubt in my mind that this woman is guilty of "misdeeds"

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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

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    I have a feeling this could get even more embarrassing for india if they make a bigger issue out of this, clearly, their pressurization tactics are not working on the US, and the US is refusing to budge. There is no doubt in my mind that this woman is guilty of "misdeeds"
    American justice is selective. She is guilty but there's a political agenda behind USA's decision to prosecute her. Senior figures in the State Department would have given the nod and go-ahead for this. The intent is to humiliate India and put it in its place. The USA will call India's bluff and India will probably back off and submit passively to these bullying and intimidating tactics. I think the Americans have calculated correctly.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    * Unlike the diplomat the maid didn't have to entertain high profile guests, make various trips, employ staffs to take care of various duties..Yet the Indian diplomat is not payed enough to maintain a staff as per American salary standards..because his country couldn't afford to hike his salary so much that he could Pay his domestic staff according to the standards of a wealthy nation he is working in .just imagine a diplomat is getting *$ 4500 *and out of which he has to pay $ 1600 for his domestic help *alone.. in Indian rupee the diplomat earns *2,34000 one of her staff will take away one third of her salary 83,200 rupee. how practical is that ? The situation will be even worse in case of lower level diplomats. * as far as the maid is concerned her *food, accommodation, medical insurance, travel expenses are also provided from the diplomat's pocket..don't you think if we include all those expenses then the total spending on her will reach more or less up to the level of *$ 1000 ? she is getting payed three times the salary she will get in India, unlike American citizens who live permanently in America,buy their land,home, etc in America, take care of *a family in America,take care of their own and their families food and accommodation in America, pay the heavy property taxes and other things in America,..this maid has everything in India where cost of living is lesser, currency rate is much much lower, so with what ever she earns in America she could provide many times better living for her family, purchase assets or what ever.. let's assume she spends $ 250 on fun stuff and shopping in America even then $ 250 is left with her which equals INR 15000/- and that is more than what a typical nani earns in India..so the description of she being a slave is exaggerated and untrue. * BTW America is in violation of Vienna convention article 47 which says councilar staffs and their foreign labour are exempted from host countries labour laws..you should take a look at that also.
    She's working in US. Should all NRI's be paid according to what they'd receive in India? And so what if she was providing food? What if the maid wants to eat from outside? Go out and watch a movie when she's free? Why should she not be able to do so? And again, why shouldn't the diplomat's salary be compared? 2,34,000 is a lot for a government employee.

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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

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    She's working in US. Should all NRI's be paid according to what they'd receive in India? And so what if she was providing food? What if the maid wants to eat from outside? Go out and watch a movie when she's free? Why should she not be able to do so? And again, why shouldn't the diplomat's salary be compared? 2,34,000 is a lot for a government employee.
    she is employed under a Indian diplomat who is getting payed as per Indian Salary scale from govt of India..so you can't force someone who is Payed under Indian Salary scale to pay his maid as per American salary scale..I have already addressed eat out and *shopping things in the post quoted by you..you just need to read it again.2,3400 is a salary of top level councilar staff..different job profile different salary scale..for m a many 30000/- after all the expenses is not a bad amount either.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    she is employed under a Indian diplomat who is getting payed as per Indian Salary scale from govt of India..so you can't force someone who is Payed under Indian Salary scale to pay his maid as per American salary scale..I have already addressed eat out and *shopping things in the post quoted by you..you just need to read it again.2,3400 is a salary of top level councilar staff..different job profile different salary scale..for m a many 30000/- after all the expenses is not a bad amount either.
    Lols. So what if she's getting paid by Indian standards? The maid lives in US. What about Ambani? He earns his money through his Indian companies, so technically he's also earning in India. Will you defend him if he pays his maid by Indian standards in US?

    And she broke the law, and was jailed. Only reason people are offended is because how dare a maid get her employer jailed. She's a sub-human cretin.

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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    she is employed under a Indian diplomat who is getting payed as per Indian Salary scale from govt of India..so you can't force someone who is Payed under Indian Salary scale to pay his maid as per American salary scale..I have already addressed eat out and *shopping things in the post quoted by you..you just need to read it again.2,3400 is a salary of top level councilar staff..different job profile different salary scale..for m a many 30000/- after all the expenses is not a bad amount either.
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    Have to yet again admire your resilience. Bottom line is she has broken and abused the law AND she knew what she was doing. She has had previous experiences that should have highlighted what she was doing was against the law. Now the Indians, in particular the press are behaving like piranhas and wanting blood. The government are demanding an apology because 1 of their diplomats broke the law.
    Well its not going to happen. Indians need to wake up and smell the coffee.
    What they did as regards to the internal search is not on and certainly over the top. The thing is we are not privy to the full circumstances hence cant comment.
    The USA have done a lot worse to other nations and not flinched. India are not important enough to demand an apology. Its the plain facts, which I don't agree with.

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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

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    Lols. So what if she's getting paid by Indian standards? The maid lives in US. What about Ambani? He earns his money through his Indian companies, so technically he's also earning in India. Will you defend him if he pays his maid by Indian standards in US? * And she broke the law, and was jailed. Only reason people are offended is because how dare a maid get her employer jailed. She's a sub-human cretin.
    * foreign embassy is a quasi sovereign territory and the diplomat is a Indian govt staff..why do you think diplomats and embassies are exempted from most of the laws of host country and are put under the laws of their respective countries ? under Vienna convention article 47 host country labour laws are not applicable to councilar staffs and their domestic workers from home country..please read that first.America is just showing their arrogance and hypocrisy..they interpret the international laws as per their convenience with out any consistency.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

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    Have to yet again admire your resilience. Bottom line is she has broken and abused the law AND she knew what she was doing. She has had previous experiences that should have highlighted what she was doing was against the law. Now the Indians, in particular the press are behaving like piranhas and wanting blood. The government are demanding an apology because 1 of their diplomats broke the law.
    Well its not going to happen. Indians need to wake up and smell the coffee.
    What they did as regards to the internal search is not on and certainly over the top. The thing is we are not privy to the full circumstances hence cant comment.
    The USA have done a lot worse to other nations and not flinched. India are not important enough to demand an apology. Its the plain facts, which I don't agree with.
    she has not broken any law, read Vienna convention article 47 in which America also is a signatory..it's just that most of the times, most of the countries are not able to resist American bullying..this time India is resisting hopefully we will rescue our diplomat if not we will give the taste of Indian laws to some of the America counselors..at the very least we will make their life harder in India.

    at a brighter side I am happy that India will be skeptical about entering into CISMOA And other agreements with America and will also reduce American weapon purchases on critical areas.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    * foreign embassy is a quasi sovereign territory and the diplomat is a Indian govt staff..why do you think diplomats and embassies are exempted from most of the laws of host country and are put under the laws of their respective countries ? under Vienna convention article 47 host country labour laws are not applicable to councilar staffs and their domestic workers from home country..please read that first.America is just showing their arrogance and hypocrisy..they interpret the international laws as per their convenience with out any consistency.
    The diplomat's staff who works at her home does not live on the embassy and thus, that is not valid. What you are quoting is valid for the diplomat herself, no one can sue India for underpaying the diplomat. They can arrest that woman for abusing her labour outside of the embassy

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    The diplomat's staff who works at her home does not live on the embassy and thus, that is not valid. What you are quoting is valid for the diplomat herself, no one can sue India for underpaying the diplomat. They can arrest that woman for abusing her labour outside of the embassy
    NO, it applies to private staff also and it's clearly mentioned.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

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    NO, it applies to private staff also and it's clearly mentioned.
    Where, may I ask?

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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

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    Where, may I ask?
    it's available for download.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    it's available for download.
    Again, diplomats and their foreign staff means diplomats and foreign staff employees that work on campus. Not some servant.

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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

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    Where, may I ask?
    The Vienna Convention doesn't matter because the USA will pay no heed to it. It's like the Pakistanis citing international law and international resolutions with regard to Kashmir: a complete waste of time. This woman is probably going to serve some time -- maybe six months or a year. Enough for the USA to make a point, let the Indians know who's boss. The USA will not back off.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

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    Again, diplomats and their foreign staff means diplomats and foreign staff employees that work on campus. Not some servant.


    it's from Vienna convention 1963 and I have heard senior diplomat g.parugasaradhi with decades of experience explaining it in times now news hour debate.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

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    it's from Vienna convention 1963 and I have heard senior diplomat g.parugasaradhi with decades of experience explaining it in times now news hour debate.
    Key phrase, with respect to services rendered for the sending State

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    No doubt she will have time in prison. Question will be how ling?

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    Key phrase, with respect to services rendered for the sending State
    That's for the councilars..it's the second para which talks about private staff of councilars..further more, sangeetha Richard was issued a official gray passport by govt of India that means she is a official staff of govt of India provided to assist the councilar.
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