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    Am struggling with the maths here too. As [MENTION=2235]Wolf[/MENTION] as already explained its not her first brush with the law. Perhaps India made a mistake appointing her?
    No, her appointment is par for the course: there would have been a fair bit of sifarish and influence-peddling to get her job in very desirable New York. Indian diplomats want to be posted to North America and Western Europe. These are prized assignments and quite a bit of skullduggery goes into snagging them. A cousin of mine was appointed commercial attache to the Indian embassy in London (decades ago) and he told me of the politics and treachery that go into getting these assignments. It's the same with Pakistan, incidentally.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AgNoStIc MuSliM View Post
    The editorial is technically incorrect in labeling Devyani a 'diplomat' - apparently her diplomatic credentials had not been accepted at the timer of her arrest, and the US Marshall service verified her diplomatic status with the State Department before proceeding with her arrest and detention. Once the State Department made it clear that Devyani did not have diplomatic status, SOP of the US Marshall Service kicked in, and Devyani was arrested and treated like any non-diplomat facing similar charges would be treated.

    The Indian government and media are doing what they do best (as we often see in the case of Pakistan) drumming up public hysteria, hate and anger by exaggerating the situation and covering up their own faults. The Indian Foreign Affairs Ministry must have known that Devyani was applying for a visa for domestic help, and they should have flagged the issue, met with Devyani to explain US labor laws, and obtained assurances that Devyani could afford to pay the maid accordingly.

    So, either the Indian Foreign Affairs Ministry was incompetent in not realizing what was happening, complicit in lying to the US government about the actual compensation being given to the maid, or Devyani outright lied to her employers as well as the US government. If the latter, the Indian government should in fact be looking into conducting disciplinary action against Devyani for lying about her financial means to afford a maid in the US rather than attacking the US for implementing her laws.
    Indians have really gone to town about it. I think they sometimes start believing their own self generated crap.

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    http://www.wsws.org/en/articles/2013.../indi-d19.html


    The arrest and New Delhi’s aggressive diplomatic push-back have exposed significant tensions between the US and a country it views as pivotal to its drive to encircle, strategically isolate, and if necessary militarily confront China.

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    But this week, as further details of the harsh and humiliating treatment meted out to Khobragade by US authorities emerged, there was a growing clamour from the Indian political establishment for a stronger response. And the government quickly delivered—“its unusually muscular retaliation…suddenly jolting,” to use the words of the Indian Express, the “friendly ties between New Delhi and Washington.”

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    India’s political elite and diplomatic corps appear to be genuinely shocked and outraged by the encounter of one of their own with the brutal practices that are the daily fare of the US criminal justice system.

    But they are also acutely aware that Khobragade’s treatment accords with Washington’s standard practice of violating international law at will—whether to spy on the world’s electronic communications, including those of ostensibly friendly foreign governments; carry out summary executions through drone strikes; or invade and occupy countries.

    In pursuit of a strategic partnership with the US that India’s elite sees as pivotal to its ambitions to transform into India into a great power, India’s Congress Party-led government has maintained a complicit silence about Washington’s rampant criminality.

    The current protests over the treatment of Khobragade come, however, after growing complaints within the Indian political establishment and corporate media over the Indian government’s failure to voice any protest over the illegal operations of the US National Security Agency (NSA), arguing that this silence makes India look weak.

    Documents leaked by NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden have revealed not only that India is one of the most important targets of NSA spying, but that the US spy agency has systematically spied on the Indian government and on its diplomatic missions in the US, including its mission at UN headquarters in New York and its Washington embassy.

    Indian Prime Minster Manmohan Singh, who has hitherto been conspicuous for his sycophantic pandering to US Presidents George W. Bush and Barack Obama, has called Khobragade’s treatment “deplorable” and given his assent to a raft of retaliatory measures.

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    India’s opposition, from the Stalinist-led Left Front through the Hindu supremacist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), have strongly condemned the US, with many noting that India is frequently bullied by Washington. “If we conduct foreign policy in a manner that we’re taken for granted,” said the parliamentary leader of the Official Opposition BJP, Arun Jaitely, “then these incidents will be repeated.” Declared Trinamool Congress legislator Derek O’Brien, “We live in a global village but we don’t need a self-appointed global village headman.”

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    The US has defended Khobragade’s arrest and strip-searching, arguing that under the Vienna Convention consular officials, unlike those attached to a country’s embassy, do not enjoy diplomatic immunity for serious crimes.

    However, when the shoe was on the other foot, the Obama administration argued the opposite. It insisted that Raymond Davis, a CIA contractor who was attached to the US’s Lahore consulate under a bogus cover, should enjoy diplomatic immunity and placed enormous pressure on the Pakistan government to let him go scot free after he had murdered two Pakistanis in cold blood.

    Moreover, when exactly did the US government decide that violations of minimum wage laws by diplomats constitute a serious crime?

    At this point it is impossible to say precisely why US authorities chose to pursue Khobragade with such zeal, nor what message they were seeking to convey to New Delhi.

    But when Foreign Minister Khurshid told India’s parliament that the spat over Khobragade had “not happened out of blue,” there is a “history” to it, he was, if anything, understating matters.

    US officials had been building their case against the Indian diplomat for half a year and ignored and rebuffed Indians attempts to resolve the issue. Just two days before Khobragade was arrested, the family of the maid whose rights she allegedly violated left India for the US where they have been granted immigration papers—an action clearly taken to ensure that they couldn’t be subjected to Indian government pressure and reprisal.

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    However, there is an undercurrent of opinion in Washington that India is not compliant enough—an undercurrent which finds expression in complaints that New Delhi’s geopolitical thinking is mired in outdated Cold War concepts like “nonalignment,” and that its national-security establishment lacks a “comprehensive vision”. While mouthing “support” and “understanding” for India’s concept of “strategic autonomy,” Washington’s aim is to bully and entice New Delhi into the position of a satrap, who will be the southwestern pillar of an Indo-Pacific US-led triad of Japan, Australia and India.

    Whatever the outcome of the Khobragade affair, it has brought to the surface some of the tremendous tensions between Washington and New Delhi generated by Washington’s aggressive and reckless drive to maintain US strategic dominance over Eurasia under conditions where its relative economic power has been enormously undermined.
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    I have to admit that I didn't try to do the math earlier and now I am struggling to get an idea. * at the time of contract dollar rate were INR 52. news says she was to pay *minimum wage *4500 dollar, *$ 9.75 per hour *for 40 hrs work a week so per month it will be 160 hrs. 160*9.75= *$ 1560( INR 81,120). if the monthly salary is *$ 4500 then * 4500/160= *$ 28 per hour. two figures doesn't add up *either it's $ 4500 or it's $ 1560.. I am confused about this part of the story although I stand by the other other aspect of this case which is mistreatment of Indian diplomat by the newYork police.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    I have to admit that I didn't try to do the math earlier and now I am struggling to get an idea. * at the time of contract dollar rate were INR 52. news says she was to pay *minimum wage *4500 dollar, *$ 9.75 per hour *for 40 hrs work a week so per month it will be 160 hrs. 160*9.75= *$ 1560( INR 81,120). if the monthly salary is *$ 4500 then * 4500/160= *$ 28 per hour. two figures doesn't add up *either it's $ 4500 or it's $ 1560.. I am confused about this part of the story although I stand by the other other aspect of this case which is mistreatment of Indian diplomat by the newYork police.
    Not sure but I think to sponsor someone for a work visa as a domestic, you have to pay a higher rate than the official minimum wage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    Not sure but I think to sponsor someone for a work visa as a domestic, you have to pay a higher rate than the official minimum wage.
    devayani's father is saying that the 4500 figure mentioned in visa application column is actually her employer's salary not the maid's salary..He said they were paying around $ 500 in cash and when rest of the expenses are included the figure will exceed $ 1600 which is minimum wages in US.

    * I still believe that exception should be made to diplomats from third world countries who are receiving salaries as per the standards of their home county, expecting them to pay their domestic staff from home country a minimum wage as per US standard is illogical and against natural justice..Concerned countries should come to a comfortable amount for both parties.




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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Quote Originally Posted by AgNoStIc MuSliM View Post
    The editorial is technically incorrect in labeling Devyani a 'diplomat' - apparently her diplomatic credentials had not been accepted at the timer of her arrest, and the US Marshall service verified her diplomatic status with the State Department before proceeding with her arrest and detention. Once the State Department made it clear that Devyani did not have diplomatic status, SOP of the US Marshall Service kicked in, and Devyani was arrested and treated like any non-diplomat facing similar charges would be treated.

    The Indian government and media are doing what they do best (as we often see in the case of Pakistan) drumming up public hysteria, hate and anger by exaggerating the situation and covering up their own faults. The Indian Foreign Affairs Ministry must have known that Devyani was applying for a visa for domestic help, and they should have flagged the issue, met with Devyani to explain US labor laws, and obtained assurances that Devyani could afford to pay the maid accordingly.

    So, either the Indian Foreign Affairs Ministry was incompetent in not realizing what was happening, complicit in lying to the US government about the actual compensation being given to the maid, or Devyani outright lied to her employers as well as the US government. If the latter, the Indian government should in fact be looking into conducting disciplinary action against Devyani for lying about her financial means to afford a maid in the US rather than attacking the US for implementing her laws.
    devayani is entitled to consular protection as per Vienna convention, she is not subjected to arrest unless a grave crime is committed or there is a court order.
    And also There are 4 grades of SOP in while arresting people..only people who are involved in smuggling, other dangerous acts, suicidal tendencies etc are given cavity search, this case doesn't even call for a body search..this was a wage dispute.most of the American counterparts on tv debates admitted to the fact the treatment she received was wrong and unnecessary.
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    devayani's father is saying that the 4500 figure mentioned in visa application column is actually her employer's salary not the maid's salary..He said they were paying around $ 500 in cash and when rest of the expenses are included the figure will exceed $ 1600 which is minimum wages in US.

    * I still believe that exception should be made to diplomats from third world countries who are receiving salaries as per the standards of their home county, expecting them to pay their domestic staff from home country a minimum wage as per US standard is illogical and against natural justice..Concerned countries should come to a comfortable amount for both parties.
    It's not "illogical and against natural justice." He's being stupid and dishonest. Why should the laws of the land be suspended for a diplomat? Indians and Pakistanis go through red lights in their countries all the time -- should this also be allowed for them in the US? Or they beat and malnourish their domestic servants over there -- should this be allowed in the West? Maybe some African diplomat will soon claim they eat their enemies in Africa and should be allowed the same privileges in the USA.
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    https://www.assembla.com/code/mobite.../7.txt?rev=115

    Sop of newyork police..and conditions of strip search.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    It's not "illogical and against natural justice." He's being stupid and dishonest. Why should the laws of the land be suspended for a diplomat? Indians and Pakistanis go through red lights in their countries all the time -- should this also be allowed for them in the US? Or they beat and malnourish their domestic servants over there -- should this be allowed in the West? Maybe some African diplomat will soon claim they eat their enemies in Africa and should be allowed the same privileges in the USA.
    foreign embassies are considered as quasi foreign territory..there are numerous exemptions from domestic laws are made.diplomats are representatives of their respected nations who are paid according to their standards, so to ask a Indian diplomat to spend most of his salary on his domestic help from his own country is against every logic and natural justice..I don't see any reason why a diplomat shouldn't be allowed to pay his help from home country as per his capacity and standards of payment. the purpose of minimum wages is to ensure that a person living in America is payed enough to be able to support himself and family and live comfortably..a Indian domestic help receiving payment of $ 500 per month on hand and being provided with every facility and expenses is living much better than a American worker living in America because he get everything much cheaper in India where his grounds and assets are and his living expenses at America also is taken care of.if the diplomat was to pay half of his salary on domestic help alone then it's injustice on him..asking third world countries to pay their diplomats as per American salary rates also is not a practical thing..so only reasonable solution is to let third world countries maintain their salary structure on their diplomats and domestic helps from home country..laws are made for man not the other way around..application of law can't defeat the natural justice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    devayani is entitled to consular protection as per Vienna convention, she is not subjected to arrest unless a grave crime is committed or there is a court order.
    And also There are 4 grades of SOP in while arresting people..only people who are involved in smuggling, other dangerous acts, suicidal tendencies etc are given cavity search, this case doesn't even call for a body search..this was a wage dispute.most of the American counterparts on tv debates admitted to the fact the treatment she received was wrong and unnecessary.
    AI,

    Even under the Vienna Convention Devyani's immunity from prosecution is suspect:
    "The Vienna Convention on Diplomatic Relations grants immunity to consular officers, but only for “acts performed in the exercise of consular functions.”
    The use of a maid/servant at Devyani's personal residence does not qualify as an 'act performed in the exercise of consular functions'. A secretary, personal assistant or chauffeur would probably qualify, as would a maid/servant hired primarily for use at the Indian Consulate, but that is not the case here.

    I also have to correct an error on my part in my previous post - Devyani was apparently arrested by the NYPD (not the US Marshal Service), while her detention and search was done by the USMS:
    "As for the type of search, I can only confirm that she was subject to the same search procedures as other USMS arrestees held within the general prisoner population in the Southern District of New York, which in this case was a strip search," USMS spokesperson Nikki Credic-Barrett said.
    She insisted that standard intake procedures were followed, saying, "While in USMS custody, standard arrestee intake procedures were followed."

    In response to a question on putting the diplomat with drug addicts in the same cell, she said, "The arrestee was placed in a cell with other female defendants awaiting court proceedings."

    The spokesperson, however, refused to take any position on the diplomat's arrest, saying USMS was not the arresting agency and takes no position regarding the appropriateness of her arrest.

    "The USMS has reviewed its own detention of arrestee Devyani Khobragade and has determined that the USMS, Southern District of New York handled Khobragade's intake and detention in accordance with USMS Policy Directives and Protocols," she said.

    Khobragade was arrested on December 12 by the Department of State, Bureau of Diplomatic Security, and transferred to the USMS pending her initial appearance before a United States Federal Magistrate Judge.

    http://www.indianexpress.com/news/us...edure/1209035/
    This was not out of the blue, with the Indian Government being informed in writing about the situation:
    "The State Department advised the Embassy of the Republic of India in writing in September of allegations of abuse made by an Indian national against the deputy consul general of India in New York," said Marie Harf, US state department deputy spokesperson, during a briefing while discussing the procedure US authorities went through when US human trafficking department came up with the case against Khobragade.
    http://www.ibtimes.co.in/articles/53...t-security.htm
    In addition, this does not appear to be the first case of abuse by the diplomatic mission in question (and it is not just the Indian mission that has had these issues):
    This isn’t the first time Indian diplomats have faced charges of mistreating domestic workers on American soil. In 2012, a New York judge directed an Indian diplomat to pay her former domestic worker $1.5 million in damages due to “barbaric treatment” (here’s a pdf of the findings). In 2011, India’s consul general in New York was charged with forced labor of his domestic helper. (That incident prompted India’s foreign ministry to launch a review of domestic-worker treatment among diplomats.)
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    But Indian diplomats are far from being the only offenders. Often shielded by immunity, diplomats the world over are notorious for domestic-worker abuse. From 2000 to 2008, the US government found 42 case of abused domestic workers of foreign diplomats—and there are likely many more that it didn’t find. A recent report on diplomats in Europe by the German Institute for Human Rights found nearly 140 instances (pdf, p.4) of alleged rights violations among domestic workers of diplomats since 2007.
    http://qz.com/158861/new-yorks-arres...tion-in-india/
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    Re: Tearful Indian diplomat tells of invasive US body probe

    Quote Originally Posted by AgNoStIc MuSliM View Post
    AI,

    Even under the Vienna Convention Devyani's immunity from prosecution us suspect:

    The use of a maid/servant at Devyani's personal residence does not qualify as an 'act performed in the exercise of consular functions'. A secretary, personal assistant or chauffeur would probably qualify, as would a maid/servant hired primarily for use at the Indian Consulate, but that is not the case here.

    I also have to correct an error on my part in my previous post - Devyani was apparently arrested by the NYPD (not the US Marshal Service), while her detention and search was done by the USMS:

    This was not out of the blue, with the Indian Government being informed in writing about the situation:

    In addition, this does not appear to be the first case of abuse by the diplomatic mission in question (and it is not just the Indian mission that has had these issues):
    I don't see any abuse or injustice done to the maid..
    regarding immunity, look at their stand on raymond davis case

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12461425

    even if she had no immunity the way which she was arrested, handled, cavity searched etc are all unlawful and violation of Vienna convention and American police Sop.


    please read my reply to wolf regarding the other aspect of the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Agnostic_Indian View Post
    I don't see any reason why a diplomat shouldn't be allowed to pay his help from home country as per his capacity and standards of payment.
    It's importing the Third World into the First. And while we're on the topic, why not pay Indian diplomats the same as what they would earn if they remained posted in India? I'm sure US and German diplomats are paid at the scales of a domestic posting in their own country. After all, if you're arguing that a domestic servant brought to NYC should be paid by Indian standards, why not apply the same principle to the consular staff as well?
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    I don't see any abuse or injustice done to the maid..
    regarding immunity, look at their stand on raymond davis case

    http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/world-south-asia-12461425
    That is going to be a matter for the courts to decide, and the case brings up multiple issues which, if it goes to trial, will be raised as separate 'counts' - two issues that are obvious are:

    1. Does Devyani qualify for Consular Immunity under the Vienna Conventions? If yes, then she is free to go, if not, read below ...
    2. False/incorrect information submitted to the US Government while applying for a visa for the maid
    3. Violation of US/NY labor laws
    COROLLARY: The court will have to determine whether or not US/NY labor laws apply in the case of Devyani's maid, which will require questions over the interpretation of the Vienna Convention to be addressed first.

    even if she had no immunity the way which she was arrested, handled, cavity searched etc are all unlawful and violation of Vienna convention and American police Sop.
    You are raising multiple issues with that comment:

    1. At the moment it does not appear that Devyani was covered under Consular immunity granted by the Vienna Convention since her employment of the maid was not in any way primarily for "acts performed in the exercise of consular functions", but as I said above, the courts will address the issue of Consular Immunity first and foremost if the case ever goes to trial.

    2. Devyani's treatment post arrest - again, the US position is that the arrest was in line with the Vienna Conventions given that the maid was not employed primarily for 'acts performed in the exercise of consular functions' - the USMS was responsible for her detention and treatment during the detention process, and they have clearly stated that their actions were consistent with how they would have approached any such case.

    As @Wolf pointed out, there is a cultural disconnect here between South Asians and American Law Enforcement - US LEA's don't put much truck in 'cultural sensitivities' and 'status', nor can you expect a 'regular' USMS employee in charge of the detainee intake process to be aware of 'diplomatic sensitivities' and based on that 'awareness' extend 'special treatment'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    It's importing the Third World into the First. And while we're on the topic, why not pay Indian diplomats the same as what they would earn if they remained posted in India? I'm sure US and German diplomats are paid at the scales of a domestic posting in their own country. After all, if you're arguing that a domestic servant brought to NYC should be paid by Indian standards, why not apply the same principle to the consular staff as well?
    US and other countries maintain same salary rate because their currency value is on the higher side, and also because they have their families and expenses to be taken care off at home country at home country standards.


    Indian diplomats are given a moderate hike in their salaries (if it's so ) is probably because they have to meet the expense of living there and performing their various duties..instead of putting huge burden on third world countries more practical solution is to allow the respective countries to pay their diplomats as per their standards and capacity and also let them maintain their domestic staff wages as per the same standards..by this set up everybody is getting payed and made to pay a reasonable salary to maintain the standards of living and expenses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgNoStIc MuSliM View Post
    That is going to be a matter for the courts to decide, and the case brings up multiple issues which, if it goes to trial, will be raised as separate 'counts' - two issues that are obvious are:

    1. Does Devyani qualify for Consular Immunity under the Vienna Conventions? If yes, then she is free to go, if not, read below ...
    2. False/incorrect information submitted to the US Government while applying for a visa for the maid
    3. Violation of US/NY labor laws
    COROLLARY: The court will have to determine whether or not US/NY labor laws apply in the case of Devyani's maid, which will require questions over the interpretation of the Vienna Convention to be addressed first.


    You are raising multiple issues with that comment:

    1. At the moment it does not appear that Devyani was covered under Consular immunity granted by the Vienna Convention since her employment of the maid was not in any way primarily for "acts performed in the exercise of consular functions", but as I said above, the courts will address the issue of Consular Immunity first and foremost if the case ever goes to trial.

    2. Devyani's treatment post arrest - again, the US position is that the arrest was in line with the Vienna Conventions given that the maid was not employed primarily for 'acts performed in the exercise of consular functions' - the USMS was responsible for her detention and treatment during the detention process, and they have clearly stated that their actions were consistent with how they would have approached any such case.

    As @Wolf pointed out, there is a cultural disconnect here between South Asians and American Law Enforcement - US LEA's don't put much truck in 'cultural sensitivities' and 'status', nor can you expect a 'regular' USMS employee in charge of the detainee intake process to be aware of 'diplomatic sensitivities' and based on that 'awareness' extend 'special treatment'.
    let's say she had no diplomat immunity then also she is entitled to special treatments as per Vienna convention..she can only be arrested in case of a grave crime or a court order.. so even if she is not immune to arrest, the arrest is conditional..And I already posted a link on sop of newyork police, the nature of her crime and her diplomatic states which rules out the requirement of any body search or cavity search.
    If America wants to give give legal excuses of violation of American laws then all those gay American diplomats are violating current Indian law..my point is existence of a law doesn't matter if we realise that the law is bad or it's application is wrong or irrational..next logical step should be to work around the law to solve the current issue..and make necessary adjustments in the application of law itself to avoid repetition of the same.
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    Indian diplomats are given a moderate hike in their salaries (if it's so ) is probably because they have to meet the expense of living there ...
    So why not the same standard for the maid? The $500 she was due to be paid (if indeed she would be paid even that much ...) would have put her virtually under house arrest -- she wouldn't have money to do anything. Oh wait, sorry -- she's not really human is she? Just an Indian domestic maid who can be treated like a slave while her Indian employer poses as a Western liberal, interested in "yoga, reading, travel, and women's rights." The hypocrisy of westernised Third World elites makes me puke -- on the one hand they pose as enlightened Western liberals; on the other, they're part of the system of vicious exploitation of their own people. It's as much a Pakistani thing as an Indian one. BB is a classic example -- posing in the West as a liberal Oxford-educated woman, but part of the same corrupt feudal system back home. This hypocrisy and split personality is endemic throughout the Indian subcontinent with the upper-middle and upper classes.
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    Devyani Khobragade row: US refuses to drop charges

    The US will not drop charges against Indian diplomat Devyani Khobragade, the state department has said after her arrest last week led to a huge diplomatic row.

    Ms Khobragade was arrested in New York on suspicion of visa fraud and making false statements, after being accused of underpaying her Indian maid.

    She has denied all the charges and was later released on bail.

    India has demanded an apology from the US over her alleged "humiliation".

    Ms Khobragade was handcuffed and strip-searched last Thursday after a complaint from her maid, Sangeeta Richard. She has in turn accused Ms Richard of theft and attempting to blackmail her.

    US Secretary of State John Kerry has expressed his "regret" over the incident, but a government minister on Thursday said that was not enough and that the US must apologise and admit it had made a mistake.

    Delhi has ordered a series of reprisals against the US. Security barricades around the US embassy in the city were removed and a visiting US delegation was snubbed by senior Indian politicians and officials.
    'Playing games'

    State Department spokesperson Marie Harf answered in the negative when asked if Ms Khobragade would go "scot free" and the US courts would be asked to drop the charges against her.

    "We take these allegations very seriously. We're not in any way walking back from those allegations or the charges," she said adding that this was "really a law enforcement issue".

    Ms Harf said the US informed every country annually about "obligations they have for their staffs when they bring them to the US".

    "We make those obligations very clear and we take any allegations that they haven't done so very seriously," she added.

    On Friday morning, India again insisted that the US must apologise as the action taken against Ms Khobragade was "unacceptable".

    "The US is playing games with India. But America must understand that the world has changed, times have changed and India has changed," Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kamal Nath told reporters.

    On Wednesday, angry MPs from several Indian parties called on the government to take tough action against the US and Prime Minister Manmohan Singh described Ms Khobragade's treatment as "deplorable".

    But US prosecutor Preet Bharara said in a statement that Ms Khobragade "was accorded courtesies well beyond what other defendants... are accorded".

    According to documents filed in a New York court, Ms Khobragade wrote on a visa application that the maid would be paid $4,500 (£2,746) a month.

    But investigators said she instead paid only $573 per month - less than the New York state minimum wage.

    If found guilty, Ms Khobragade faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements.

    Reuters

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amjad Hussain View Post
    Ms Khobragade was arrested in New York on suspicion of visa fraud and making false statements, after being accused of underpaying her Indian maid.
    Nothing new there.

    She has denied all the charges and was later released on bail.
    What do you expect? She'll 'fess up?

    India has demanded an apology from the US over her alleged "humiliation".
    India doesn't deserve it and the USA doesn't know how to apologise (except for reluctantly "expressing regret").

    Ms Khobragade was handcuffed and strip-searched last Thursday after a complaint from her maid, Sangeeta Richard. She has in turn accused Ms Richard of theft and attempting to blackmail her.
    More bull and characteristic of the Indian subcontinent: accuse someone and they start counter-accusations. No wonder the damn place never goes anywhere. No-one ever takes responsibility or confesses to anything.

    US Secretary of State John Kerry has expressed his "regret" over the incident, but a government minister on Thursday said that was not enough and that the US must apologise and admit it had made a mistake.
    The f***ing idiot. The USA doesn't do apologies.

    Delhi has ordered a series of reprisals against the US. Security barricades around the US embassy in the city were removed and a visiting US delegation was snubbed by senior Indian politicians and officials.
    Go ahead. India will come back whining and cringing, with its tail between its legs.

    "The US is playing games with India. But America must understand that the world has changed, times have changed and India has changed," Parliamentary Affairs Minister Kamal Nath told reporters.
    India hasn't changed. And India doesn't have the clout China does. A bitter pill to swallow, but there it is.

    If found guilty, Ms Khobragade faces a maximum sentence of 10 years for visa fraud and five years for making false statements.
    Make sure she doesn't serve them concurrently. She can practice her yoga in prison.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    So why not the same standard for the maid? The $500 she was due to be paid (if indeed she would be paid even that much ...) would have put her virtually under house arrest -- she wouldn't have money to do anything. Oh wait, sorry -- she's not really human is she? Just an Indian domestic maid who can be treated like a slave while her Indian employer poses as a Western liberal, interested in "yoga, reading, travel, and women's rights." The hypocrisy of westernised Third World elites makes me puke -- on the one hand they pose as enlightened Western liberals; on the other, they're part of the system of vicious exploitation of their own people. It's as much a Pakistani thing as an Indian one. BB is a classic example -- posing in the West as a liberal Oxford-educated woman, but part of the same corrupt feudal system back home. This hypocrisy and split personality is endemic throughout the Indian subcontinent with the upper-middle and upper classes.
    * Unlike the diplomat the maid didn't have to entertain high profile guests, make various trips, employ staffs to take care of various duties..Yet the Indian diplomat is not payed enough to maintain a staff as per American salary standards..because his country couldn't afford to hike his salary so much that he could Pay his domestic staff according to the standards of a wealthy nation he is working in .just imagine a diplomat is getting *$ 4500 *and out of which he has to pay $ 1600 for his domestic help *alone.. in Indian rupee the diplomat earns *2,34000 one of her staff will take away one third of her salary 83,200 rupee. how practical is that ? The situation will be even worse in case of lower level diplomats. * as far as the maid is concerned her *food, accommodation, medical insurance, travel expenses are also provided from the diplomat's pocket..don't you think if we include all those expenses then the total spending on her will reach more or less up to the level of *$ 1000 ? she is getting payed three times the salary she will get in India, unlike American citizens who live permanently in America,buy their land,home, etc in America, take care of *a family in America,take care of their own and their families food and accommodation in America, pay the heavy property taxes and other things in America,..this maid has everything in India where cost of living is lesser, currency rate is much much lower, so with what ever she earns in America she could provide many times better living for her family, purchase assets or what ever.. let's assume she spends $ 250 on fun stuff and shopping in America even then $ 250 is left with her which equals INR 15000/- and that is more than what a typical nani earns in India..so the description of she being a slave is exaggerated and untrue. * BTW America is in violation of Vienna convention article 47 which says councilar staffs and their foreign labour are exempted from host countries labour laws..you should take a look at that also.
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