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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    Notwithstanding that why do our diplomats feel the need to defend the Saudis record on women's rights when its clearly garbage. when we have something of value to say people will be less inclined to listen to us or our diplomats should i say
    I guess we can agree to disagree. Saudis don't treat their women like prostitutes.

    In Republic of India and USA women are treated like commodities which can be bought and sold in the local bazaar.

    Our diplomats defend Saudi Arabia, because we are close allies with Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia defends us too.
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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Durrani View Post
    I guess we can agree to disagree. Saudis don't treat their women like prostitutes.

    In Republic of India and USA women are treated commodities which can be bought and sold in the local bazaar.

    Our diplomats defend Saudi Arabia, because we are close allies with Saudi Arabia and Saudi Arabia defends us too.
    The point I was making was that if we should be able to back up what we say with facts
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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    The point I was making was that if we should be able to back up what we say with facts
    Please don't confuse the issue with facts.

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    The point I was making was that if we should be able to back up what we say with facts
    I also heard that Pakistan backed Saudi Arabia in reforming the UNSC. I believe it was the right decision.

    Saudi Arabia also rejected the UNSC seat. Good planning on our part.

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

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    I also heard that Pakistan backed Saudi Arabia in reforming the UNSC. I believe it was the right decision.

    Saudi Arabia also rejected the UNSC seat. Good planning on our part.
    What planning and why is it "good"?

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

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    What planning and why is it "good"?
    Because obviously the current UNSC system is unjust, wrong and outdated.

    It based on the victors of World War 2.

    Whoever won World War 2 are in the UNSC.

    To be quite frank UK and France wouldn't be in UNSC if they weren't USA's friend's during WW2.
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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Since when have Saudi and Pakistan cared about injustice to any party?
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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Hope View Post
    Since when have Saudi and Pakistan cared about injustice to any party?
    To be quite frank, I guess you are right.

    In this day and age you have to work for your own survival.

    But we can atleast get our point across that we are for justice.
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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Durrani View Post
    To be quite frank, I guess you are right.

    In this day and age you have to work for your own survival.

    But we can atleast get our point across that we are for justice.
    By supporting Saudi Human rights record?

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    [MENTION=2409]Durrani[/MENTION] what do you think of the Saudi academics who are claiming that if women drive it will effect their ability to have children?

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

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    [MENTION=2409]Durrani[/MENTION] what do you think of the Saudi academics who are claiming that if women drive it will effect their ability to have children?
    I have yet to see a Saudi say that.

    Women not driving is something to do with local traditions, not with Islam.

    Saudi Arabia should start employing women in the police force.

    Saudi Arabia is working on it.

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Amjad Hussain View Post
    [MENTION=2409]Durrani[/MENTION] what do you think of the Saudi academics who are claiming that if women drive it will effect their ability to have children?
    Saudi are animalistic with their behaviour of any other nation Muslims and women. If you are white they like you.

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    The point I was making was that if we should be able to back up what we say with facts
    This doesn't exist in the Muslim world. Close attention to facts, careful measurement, care in speaking and writing -- there are North European traits. Your years in Britain have had an effect.
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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Wolf View Post
    This doesn't exist in the Muslim world. Close attention to facts, careful measurement, care in speaking and writing -- there are North European traits. Your years in Britain have had an effect.
    you are probably right. Facts seem a dispensable option to be disregarded at will in some places

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    you are probably right. Facts seem a dispensable option to be disregarded at will in some places
    It's more complex. Facts don't exist in the Muslim world -- not in the way they do in Europe. It's a deep-seated cultural thing. That's why, for example, science can't flourish in the Muslim world -- the cultural soil isn't there for science to take root. Equivocation, ambiguity, exaggeration are the rule -- not only in communication but in an individual's thought. With these traits people literally cannot think, cannot understand the factual basis or logical structure of an argument or case, cannot present a counterargument based on facts and logic.

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

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    It's more complex. Facts don't exist in the Muslim world -- not in the way they do in Europe. It's a deep-seated cultural thing. That's why, for example, science can't flourish in the Muslim world -- the cultural soil isn't there for science to take root. Equivocation, ambiguity, exaggeration are the rule -- not only in communication but in an individual's thought. With these traits people literally cannot think, cannot understand the factual basis or logical structure of an argument or case, cannot present a counterargument based on facts and logic.
    It would appear that for progress in science and what not seems directly related to the separation between state and religion

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

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    It would appear that for progress in science and what not seems directly related to the separation between state and religion
    I don't even think religion is the culprit. For instance, Newton was religious, and his primary interest was alchemy rather than physics. The scientific revolution took place in a religious Europe. It's possible that the separation of state and religion was prompted by cultural and philosophical changes rather than the intrusion or demands of science.

    My opinion is it's deep-seated cultural and race genetic differences. Or alternatively, the Muslim world cannot hope to emulate Europe.

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

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    I don't even think religion is the culprit. For instance, Newton was religious, and his primary interest was alchemy rather than physics. The scientific revolution took place in a religious Europe. It's possible that the separation of state and religion was prompted by cultural and philosophical changes rather than the intrusion or demands of science.

    My opinion is it's deep-seated cultural and race genetic differences. Or alternatively, the Muslim world cannot hope to emulate Europe.
    Do forgive me I didn't make myself clear. No issue people being religious on a personal level. what I am suggesting is that when the state starts getting involved in religion it seems to impede progress. If you look at the times when Muslims country were at the forefront of science it was when religion was more or less relegated to civil servants to administrate

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

    Gotta be a joke.. Ganja trying to please his relatives ?

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    Re: At UN, Pakistan Praises Saudi Arabia for Protecting Womens Rights

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    Gotta be a joke.. Ganja trying to please his relatives ?

    hehehe Well they did send bullet proof vehicles for the election
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