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    Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes
    Turkish military pilots have tested the A400M military transportation planes which will be added to Turkish Military Force's inventory list in September.




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    Turkish military pilots have tested the A400M military transportation planes which will be added to Turkish Military Force's inventory list in September.
    The Airbus Military will deliver the first party of ordered ten new generation A400M cargo planes to Turkish Airforce until the end of the September 2013. The A400 cargo has passed many tests successfully and its quality has been approved by pilots who tested them in two different airbases of Turkey.

    Turkish Airforce Personals admired the technical features and maneuver ability of the plane and say that they are looking forward for the delivery of planes in September.
    The Airbus A400M Atlas is a multi-national four-engine turboprop military transport aircraft. It was designed by Airbus Military as a tactical airlifter with strategic capabilities. The aircraft's maiden flight, originally planned for 2008, took place on 11 December 2009 in Seville, Spain.

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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    Here is my own video of an A400 Landing..and my friend's son moaning about it

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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    Here is my own video of an A400 Landing..and my friend's son moaning about it

    It does look like a C-130 on steroids...but an amazing plane with a short landing and take-off distance...
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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    It does look like a C-130 on steroids...but an amazing plane with a short landing and take-off distance...
    I did my internship in TAI Aerospace in 2007 or 2006, at the orientation they showed a 5min presentation video of this plane (i did't see that video anywhere else in the internet). I wasn't into defence products at that time and didn't paid much attention. But i remember that i was impressed and i remember this plane can nullify the incoming missiles somehow. (Not by deploying chaff/flare) by some kind of beam. I don't know if they succeeded in that.

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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    The A400M features a 17.5 ft. diameter propeller system that is all-new, and
    features eight, all-composite blades. This advanced design propeller system
    is the largest all-composite propeller in production.

    Driven by an 11,000-horsepower engine, Hamilton Sundstrand's FH385/386 handles
    twice the power of any existing in-service propeller and offers a thrust
    efficiency peak close to 90 percent at high cruise speeds. Each wing features
    a pair of clockwise and counter-clockwise rotating propellers, which enhance
    overall aircraft stability and control, and further contribute to overall
    operating efficiency.
    http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?p...d=aCEKSaXr6wRU
    I think the Propellers on this aircraft are Controllable pitch.......Cant find a link to verify this....
    Saying this because it stops in a very short distance after landing...
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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    But i remember that i was impressed and i remember this plane can nullify the incoming missiles somehow. (Not by deploying chaff/flare) by some kind of beam. I don't know if they succeeded in that.
    Yes Laser DIRCM was to be integrated
    http://www.diehl.com/en/diehl-defenc...-aircraft.html

    Technical details given here

    http://www.diehl.com/fileadmin/diehl...lyer/DIRCM.pdf

    Basically its a laser pointed at an incoming Missile...
    The lase blinds the Missile's seekers..
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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] I noticed some women in the briefing, does Turkey have female pilots etc?
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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    Quote Originally Posted by sami View Post
    [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] I noticed some women in the briefing, does Turkey have female pilots etc?

    Why you want to marry her?
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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    This chick is an F-16 pilot



    and check out some female turkish police...you will want to get arrested by them
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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    Quote Originally Posted by sami View Post
    @<i><b><u><a href="http://www.pakistanaffairs.pk/member.php?u=3907" target="_blank">Sinan</a></u></b></i> I noticed some women in the briefing, does Turkey have female pilots etc?
    Mate those are most probably Spanish... but we have around 60 woman pilots 3 of them are F-16 pilots.

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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    and check out some female turkish police...you will want to get arrested by them
    So true.. I'm 1.82 tall and i have seen female cops, as tall as me and very beautiful.. mostly in "Dolphin" (Yunus) Squads.

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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    So true.. I'm 1.82 tall

    shorty....
    You must lok like umpa lumpa

    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    and i have seen female cops, as tall as me and very beautiful.. mostly in "Dolphin" (Yunus) Squads.
    You should have told me during Taksim protest..I should have gons there to get arrested by one of of them female Police..instead of trolling you lot.

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    Re: Turkish Airforce fleet grows with 10 new A400M planes

    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    You should have told me during Taksim protest..I should have gons there to get arrested by one of of them female Police..instead of trolling you lot.
    Sure they would have breaked your bones

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    Turkey chooses Chinese HQ-9


    August 26, 2013 16:08
    Turkey against the possibility of rising tension in the Middle East and chemical threats pressed the button for long-range air defense system.

    Bashar al-Assad administration's use of chemical weapons against potential attacks occur in the boundary line on Turkey 's air defense system was revived in need. Accelerated the ongoing tender process for a long time. Earn , according to the low-and medium-range air defense system after the completion of the last link in the system integration of the Long-Range Air Defense System in order to put the bids Turkey. Accordingly, the most reasonable price which is the first of China's HQ-9 system, Aster-30 took second place in the Italian-French consortium.

    The four countries are competing

    According to these two systems, and the cost is quite high in backward Russia for the third place in the S-300, which Turkey, the United States grants to be almost come to the stage for the last row, the United States does not want to put Patriotlarını PACK-3. Long-Range Weather Defense System, Ministry of National Defense for the construction of four works on offer. Accordingly, after the completion of Low and Medium Extended Air Defense System, missile systems, and in the range between 250 and 500 km from the radar system that controls it evaluates the bids for the integration of Turkey, was sorting. According to information from Russia and the U.S. system offers these two last positions in Turkey had not welcomed. Ministry of Defense (MoD) and the Air Force carried out under the coordination of long-range air defense system, which needs to be integrated by the Chinese HQ-9 system,'' the'' under the Ministry of Defence's budget proposal as well as the technology offered by the United States and Russia on a lot of quality. Therefore, the ministry has put the offer in the first place.

    The United States does not want a new system

    '' Obsolete in accordance with an agreement made ​​before Patriot Patriot Advanced Capability-3 (PAC-3) system in Turkey is trying to sell in the United States in the last bid. The reason for this in the hands of the United States and the PACK PACK-4-5 Although there are more sophisticated systems such as showing unwillingness to give them. Russia, however, has brought a new offer Turkey S-400 system. Mentioned in the proposal, which will be built by Russia missile defense systems in the country and the number 4 is trying to reduce by half. Accordingly, placed in the center of a radar in Turkey thanks to the 4-missile defense system will be checked. Russia planned to have a system that always wants to reduce the cost of downloading 4 8 missile system.

    Advanced technology commentary

    On the other hand, the process of taking missile systems, Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM) is high-tech systems for the Air Force Command received prompts. comes with a kind of feature requests for the annotation files Ministry of Defence, the General Staff and Prime Minister Erdogan presented.

    http://www.aktifhaber.com/turkiye-ki...or-843571h.htm

    Great to see two Pakistan allies cooperate [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] I used google translator is it ok
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    Re: Turkey chooses Chinese HQ-9

    Turkey didn't choose any system yet.

    This is the original article.. seems like "aktifhaber" used it as a source.

    Turkey is strongly leaning toward adopting a Chinese long-range anti-missile and air defense system, Turkish procurement officials said, even though it may be impossible to integrate the system with its existing NATO architecture.

    One senior procurement official familiar with the program said the Turkish government has concluded that the Chinese proposal was technologically satisfactory, allowed technology transfer and was much cheaper than rival proposals.

    The decision to select the Chinese contender awaits final approval from Defense Minister Ismet Yilmaz and Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan.

    The decision would be finalized and officially announced at the next meeting of the Defense Industry Executive Committee, chaired by Erdogan, which oversees major procurement decisions. No date has been set for the meeting.

    In January, Turkey restructured the $4 billion program, dubbed T-Loramids, which had originally been constructed as an off-the-shelf purchase. The contenders’ bids would remain valid, but the Undersecretariat for Defense Industries (SSM) procurement office would ask bidders to submit parallel, co-production solutions. Erdogan ordered the launch of feasibility studies on “potential co-production” of the system.

    T-Loramids consists of radar, launcher and intercept missiles.

    The same month, SSM wrote to the bidders and asked them to send letters of intent for any co-production deal. The bidders are a U.S. partnership of Raytheon and Lockheed Martin, offering the Patriot air defense system; Russia’s Rosoboronexport, marketing the S-300; the China Precision Machinery Export-Import Corp., offering its HQ-9; and the Italian-French consortium Eurosam, maker of the SAMP/T Aster 30.

    T-Loramids, has been designed to counter both enemy aircraft and missiles. Turkey has no long-range air defense systems.

    But diplomats and analysts warn that Turkey may not be allowed to integrate the Chinese-Turkish system into Turkey’s mostly NATO-owned early warning assets.

    “I cannot comment on how the [US] administration would react to that. But I can tell you that integrating a Chinese or Chinese-Turkish air defense system into NATO assets may not be a good idea,” a US diplomat here said.

    A Western industry source said that US officials have warned the Turkish bureaucrats several times about the potential difficulties in achieving interoperability if Turkey decided to go for a Chinese or a Russian architecture.

    “I see that the Turks remain defiant. But I do not think it would be practically possible to integrate either the air defense or the anti-missile components of the planned Turkish-Chinese architecture into NATO radars,” a London-based Turkey specialist said. “The Turks would have the same problem if they chose the Russian system, but I think for the Americans, China represents a more direct threat.”

    About half of Turkey’s network-based air defense picture (radars) has been paid for by NATO, said a Turkish defense official familiar with NATO work. They are part of the NATO Air Defense Ground Environment. He did not comment on potential problems if Turkey wanted to make the planned system interoperable with these assets.

    To defend against missile threats, Turkey needs satellite and dedicated ballistic missile detection and tracking radar like the NATO radar deployed last year in Kurecik.

    For the anti-aircraft component, Turkey needs an overall picture for data fusion. The Patriot system, for instance, can detect threats with its own radar. So does the Chinese system. But without integrating into a full air picture, the Chinese system could not work efficiently, officials said.

    “Turkey can always decide to build a stand-alone system. But in that case, abstracting the air defense system from NATO assets would mean that Turkey will lose half of its radar capabilities,” said one defense analyst here.

    He said Turkey would need interface data to make its own air defense architecture interoperable with NATO assets, primarily data on the identify friend or foe system.

    “This is top secret and cannot be installed into any Chinese system,” the analyst said.

    Another major question, he said, is “how would Turkey have in its possession a made-in-China IFF system, and how would that system be integrated into its fleet of F-16 aircraft?

    “There is an important degree of incompatibility here and all in all any Chinese-Turkish co-production program would look problematic,” he said.
    http://www.trdefence.com/2013/06/24/...efence-system/

    And SSIK meeting is next month, don't believe any news until than.
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