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    Re: Roketsan LALAMIS first firing test.

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    It would be great to believe that our countries do collude and assist each other is all I can say about these rumours. Anyway congrats to Turkish brothers for this achievement
    The next collaboration will be on Turkey's 2000+ Km ballistic missile. which is under way as we speak...
    Turkey has technical abilities to make the misile. Pakistan has practical experience of firing a few and logging the data,and of course building many types.
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    Re: Roketsan LALAMIS first firing test.

    Superb project, I notice a bit slow response by Roketsan LALAMIS, we wouldn't have much time to have a quick response on foreign jets. I have strong believe on Turkey's Roketsan which will upgrade more better.
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    Re: Roketsan LALAMIS first firing test.

    Its a far shot,but both countries should join hands in a rather Hollywood weapon research,but very much feasible. Tungsten Carbide Area decimation warhead for ballistic missiles.
    The concept was shown in the movie G.I.Joe. Mounted on a Ballistic missile on Lofted trajectory,a warhead can hit speeds of many mach numbers.
    In Pakistan's case and in upcoming Turkish Ballistic missile of 2500 Km range. The missile warhead will enter atmosphere at speeds on Mach 14+ when fired at minimum energy trajectory. The warhead can reach speeds of mach 20 if fired on lofted trajectory .
    If at that speed small pallets of Tungsten carbide are released.....a whole area can be obliterated without the use of nuclear weapons oe any explosives...Just by the kinetic energy of dense metal pallets hitting the ground.
    same as USAF Project Thor
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    Re: Roketsan LALAMIS first firing test.

    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    Its a far shot,but both countries should join hands in a rather Hollywood weapon research,but very much feasible. Tungsten Carbide Area decimation warhead for ballistic missiles.
    The concept was shown in the movie G.I.Joe. Mounted on a Ballistic missile on Lofted trajectory,a warhead can hit speeds of many mach numbers.
    In Pakistan's case and in upcoming Turkish Ballistic missile of 2500 Km range. The missile warhead will enter atmosphere at speeds on Mach 14+ when fired at minimum energy trajectory. The warhead can reach speeds of mach 20 if fired on lofted trajectory .
    If at that speed small pallets of Tungsten carbide are released.....a whole area can be obliterated without the use of nuclear weapons oe any explosives...Just by the kinetic energy of dense metal pallets hitting the ground.
    same as USAF Project Thor
    I'm no expert on defence industry. But i know that Tungsten Carbide (as i remember the second hard material in the world after diamond) is very hard to produce. I don't think Turkey have much tech on it. But maybe we can go for Boron-Carbide, Turkey has a advanced metallurgy about Boron. (Boron-Carbide comes after Tungsten-Carbide on the hardness scale).
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    Turkish Military Developments

    Please post news views,Pictures and videos about Turkish military in this thread.

    [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] [MENTION=3902]Neptune[/MENTION] [MENTION=3918]Olcayto[/MENTION] and all members,please contribute.
    The thread is sticky.

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    My fav picture.

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    TULPAR IFV



    COBRA Armoured Vehicle

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    Re: Turkish Military Developments

    Did Turkey Just Let a Chinese Trojan Horse into NATO?
    Barın Kayaoğlu
    October 17, 2013



    The Turkish government’s recent decision to award its high-altitude missile defense contract to China conjured images of the residents of Troy rejoicing the large, Greek-made wooden horse near the end of the Trojan Wars. That story did not have a pleasant end for the Trojans. It is not clear how this one will play out for Ankara and their NATO allies.

    Turkey’s decision to choose the Chinese-made FD-2000 over the U.S.-made Patriot PAC-3, the Russian-made S-400, and the French-Italian EUROSAM SAMP/T may seem odd for a country that has been a member of NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization) since 1952. 22 years after the collapse of the Soviet Union, commitment to NATO and good relations with Washington remain the cornerstones of Ankara’s foreign policy calculus. That calculation seems irreconcilable with the fact that the manufacturer of the FD-2000, CPMIEC (China Precision Machinery Import-Export Corporation), is under U.S. sanctions for doing business with Iran, Syria, and North Korea.

    In fact, Turkey had signaled its intent to choose the Chinese system over the Western and Russian alternatives in July. At the time, many Western officials, including NATO defense attachés in Ankara, had expressed “shock” by the possibility that a U.S. ally would buy its missile shield from America’s next top rival.

    But if we accept that military procurement, just like war, is a continuation of politics by other means, then Ankara’s decision makes sense.

    When allegations emerged last August that the military forces of President Bashar al-Assad carried out chemical attacks outside Damascus, Turkish Prime Recep Tayyip Erdoğan and Foreign Minister Ahmet Davutoğlu urged Washington to attack the Syrian regime. Instead, the United States and Russia agreed to dismantle Assad’s chemical weapons program, which infuriated Erdoğan and Davutoğlu. Then came the signs of a rapprochement between the United States and Iran, despite the latter’s continuing support for the Assad regime. Looking at that picture, the decision to purchase the FD-2000 can be read as a Turkish warning to its U.S. ally.

    Rather than a kneejerk reaction to disappointment in the United States, Turkey’s decision may have been the result of its long-standing need for an independent missile-defense capability. Two years ago, Ankara went to great lengths to borrow Patriot batteries from NATO allies to defend its southern borders against Syria’s ballistic missiles. Just as it was the case on the eve of the Iraq War in 2002-3, NATO allies were reluctant to transfer Patriot batteries to Turkey.

    But rather than boosting Turkish security, the Patriots seem to have undermined it. Even before the U.S., German, and Dutch-operated batteries were deployed in southern Turkey in early 2012, Iran criticized Ankara for hosting a missile defense “managed by America and the Zionists.” Some overzealous Iranian officials even threatened to attack Turkey. Looking at that picture, it would be wise of Turkey to obtain an independent missile-defense capability.

    For Ankara, the FD-2000 comes with other bonuses. Together with Pakistan, China has been helping Turkey’s ballistic-missile program for over a decade. In the recent missile-defense tender, Beijing bent over backwards to accommodate Ankara’s requests for technology transfer and a price discount. According to Turkish press reports, the Chinese agreed to share know-how and to decrease the price of the FD-2000 from $4 billion to $3 billion. (Whether a 25 percent discount will mean a decrease in the quality of the final product is a different matter.)

    But not everything about the Turkish decision makes sense. A missile-defense shield is essentially trying to shoot a bullet with another bullet. It is not clear whether the Chinese system could provide those things as effectively as America’s battle-tested Patriot or Russia’s well-reviewed S-400. The Istanbul-based legal scholar and defense expert Bleda Kurtdarcan agrees: “The ‘Made in China’ label, still associated with cheap but low-quality products in Turkish minds, works against the FD-2000.” “Add to that the rumors that the FD-2000 was reverse-engineered from the Russian S-300,” Kurtdarcan adds, “the Chinese system seems less appealing.”

    Even more important is the question of whether a Chinese-made missile defense system can achieve interoperability with Turkey’s existing network of air-defense radars, a problem that could negate the FD-2000’s advantages. Turkish radars are part of NATO’s Integrated Air Defense System, which operate the “Identify Friend or Foe” (IFF) software. The IFF data is top secret and it is highly unlikely that Turkey’s NATO allies would upload that information on to a Chinese-made weapons platform, lest Beijing were to acquire them.

    So why would Ankara buy a missile shield which won’t contribute to their existing air defense assets? And why would China even sell such a sophisticated weapon to Turkey and risk handing over its military secrets to a U.S. ally (and, by extension, the United States)?

    The answers are not clear. Kurtdarcan suggests that the FD-2000, rather than acting as a Chinese Trojan horse in NATO, could be a “double Trojan horse” that works for both sides. The Turkish acquisition of the FD-2000 would give the U.S. military insight into China’s more advanced antimissile systems. Conversely, by selling Ankara the FD-2000, which is the export variant of its more advanced HQ-9 system, Beijing may be trying to fool the United States about its true capabilities. “During the Cold War,” Kurtdarcan reminds us, “the Soviet Union often modified its different weapon systems, especially the ones it exported to Third World allies such as Egypt and Syria, to confuse the United States.” “The Chinese may be doing the same thing today.”

    Sun Tzu would have been proud that his descendants would use a scheme similar to the Trojan horse against their adversaries. However, there is always the possibility that Turkey could yield to its NATO allies’ pressures and cancel the tender or, after purchasing the FD-2000, it could let its NATO allies (read: the United States) have a close look at the new missile-defense system. At any rate, whether Beijing will gain much by selling the FD-2000 to Ankara and whether Turkey’s decision marks a clear shift in its foreign policy are not clear. At this time, it is too soon to tell if the story of the Trojan horse will repeat itself.


    Barın Kayaoğlu is finishing his doctorate in history at the University of Virginia. He was recently a Smith Richardson Foundation fellow in International Security Studies at Yale University
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    Re: Turkish Military Developments

    underlying tones of radicalization of Turkish leadership on Saudi model. Turkey used to be a country of Muslims but secular outlook but it seems they are not behind Saudis who want Syria/ Iran attacked and destroyed by Americans and Israelis.
    if this Chinese missile defense deal is as troublesome as suggested then Turkey might be relegated in NATO ranking or might get the boot altogether.

    but more likely possibility is that Turks will cancel the deal because if the system is bought it wont be allowed to interface with NATO defense systems.

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    Turkish aIr defence Radar coverage


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    Quote Originally Posted by Irfan Baloch View Post
    underlying tones of radicalization of Turkish leadership on Saudi model. Turkey used to be a country of Muslims but secular outlook but it seems they are not behind Saudis who want Syria/ Iran attacked and destroyed by Americans and Israelis.
    if this Chinese missile defense deal is as troublesome as suggested then Turkey might be relegated in NATO ranking or might get the boot altogether.

    but more likely possibility is that Turks will cancel the deal because if the system is bought it wont be allowed to interface with NATO defense systems.
    Just wow... So much bias , who died and made you think-tank. You must be Safriz's apprentice.
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    Just wow... So much bias , who died and made you think-tank. You must be Safriz's apprentice.




    you make me feel honoured...

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    Quote Originally Posted by safriz View Post
    [/B]you make me feel honoured...
    Good for you to became happy with small things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    Just wow... So much bias , who died and made you think-tank. You must be Safriz's apprentice.
    its all a matter of opinion and I dont claim to have knowledge of heart and soul of the turkish leadership but their actions simply facilitate the Saudi and Israeli designs against the Syria and seeing Turkey being a tool in all this is disheartening. we been there and done that and seeing Turkey following our foot steps of the 80s is worrying

    some commentators are calling Turkey a Pakistan in making in next 10 or 20 years. FSA will be Turkish version of Taliban. I wish this is all proven to be wrong and the Saudi funded FSA doesnt poison the Turkish population but there is always a blow back.

    so much that has been achieved over the decades will be lost and will only make those happy who despite having the same faith despise every non-Arab specially Turks who used to rule them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Irfan Baloch View Post
    its all a matter of opinion and I dont claim to have knowledge of heart and soul of the turkish leadership but their actions simply facilitate the Saudi and Israeli designs against the Syria and seeing Turkey being a tool in all this is disheartening.
    Turkey acts in according to it's interests. You may want to expend "their actions" sentence here for further understanding.


    Quote Originally Posted by Irfan Baloch View Post
    we been there and done that and seeing Turkey following our foot steps of the 80s is worrying
    I don't know your 80s, you can expend this sentence too.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irfan Baloch View Post
    some commentators are calling Turkey a Pakistan in making in next 10 or 20 years.
    They all say different stuff.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irfan Baloch View Post
    FSA will be Turkish version of Taliban.
    I don't think you can decide for this by yourself.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irfan Baloch View Post
    I wish this is all proven to be wrong and the Saudi funded FSA doesnt poison the Turkish population but there is always a blow back.
    With Turkish experience with 30 years of Terrorism, an open flat region, no local supporters. Taking on the greatest military power in MiddleEast. If they want to commit a mass suicide they will be their choose.

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    so much that has been achieved over the decades will be lost
    No, it won't. See, an argument good as yours.

    Quote Originally Posted by Irfan Baloch View Post
    and will only make those happy who despite having the same faith despise every non-Arab specially Turks who used to rule them.
    He have good relations with GCC countries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinan View Post
    Turkey acts in according to it's interests. You may want to expend "their actions" sentence here for further understanding.




    I don't know your 80s, you can expend this sentence too.



    They all say different stuff.



    I don't think you can decide for this by yourself.



    With Turkish experience with 30 years of Terrorism, an open flat region, no local supporters. Taking on the greatest military power in MiddleEast. If they want to commit a mass suicide they will be their choose.



    No, it won't. See, an argument good as yours.



    Couldn't understand this part of the post.
    He means the Arabs.
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    Re: Turkish Military Developments

    [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] & [MENTION=4322]T-123456[/MENTION]
    lets take the political talk re Syria on a different thread and lets celebrate your military achievements. share with us your air skirmishes with Greeks over Cyprus. add some more information than is available on the youtube.
    thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irfan Baloch View Post
    [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] & [MENTION=4322]T-123456[/MENTION]
    lets take the political talk re Syria on a different thread and lets celebrate your military achievements. share with us your air skirmishes with Greeks over Cyprus. add some more information than is available on the youtube.
    thanks
    How,they are broke?
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    Turkey should enhance and also put their troops through a drill and take over Greece. They should bomb the sh1t out of Greece and take over it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fassi View Post
    Turkey should enhance and also put their troops through a drill and take over Greece. They should bomb the sh1t out of Greece and take over it.
    To do what feed them?
    Some Islands near the Turkish coast would be good.

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