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    The Wiki leaks thread

    Please post Pakistan related Wiki leaks here.

    Admin,please make the thread Sticky
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    Re: The Wiki leaks thread

    In 2004 PAF contacted czech company for VERA-E sensors.
    Here is what happened next

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    @AgNoStIcMuSlIm

    You may remember this episode?
    The sensors would have been an invaluable asset of Pakistan air defence,because they did not transmit any signal,just listened to enemy aircraft's teansmissions and from that,calculated hostile aircraft's position.
    The sensors could not be jammed and could not be detected easily.
    In case PAF's radars had been hit by anti radiation missiles, the VARA sensors still cold have guided the air defences.

    But thanks to uncle sam's pressure,the deal never went through.
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    2004 December 23, 13:26 (Thursday)



    B. PRAGUE 1064 C. STATE 172966 Classified By: Deputy Political Counselor Mark Canning for reasons 1.4 (a) (b) (c) and (g) 1. THIS IS AN ACTION REQUEST. SEE PARA 7 2. (C) As foreshadowed in Reftel A, the Czech Ministry of Foreign Affairs is, for the second time this year, soliciting US opinion on the possible sale of a Czech-produced passive radar system to Pakistan. 3. (C) As in the previous case, dealt with in Reftels B and C, this MFA request is based on a request from the Czech firm ERA to begin preliminary marketing discussions with the Air Force of Pakistan. Unlike the previous case, the proposed sale would not involve the passive system VERA-E, but an earlier, less powerful model of passive radar, the ASDD-01. 4. (C) Reftel C describes U.S. concerns over a possible reexport of the VERA-E to China as the primary reason for opposing a VERA-E sale to Pakistan. The U.S. concern played an important role in the decision by the GOCR in July to deny ERA permission to move forward with marketing the system to Pakistan. The firm has recently approached the MFA with new information about the sale of a Swedish radar system, the Erieye, to Pakistan. The Erieye is made by Ericsson Microwave Systems and is described as an active, phased-array pulse-Doppler radar that can be used for Airborne Early Warning and Control Systems. The firm provided news reports stating Pakistan will purchase seven copies of the Eireye. 5. (C) The firm argues that the ASDD-01 is based on the same technology as the Erieye. In addition the firm has offered to discuss reexport concerns. The firm made the suggestions that GPS equipment be included in the hardware to identify its location, and that unannounced spot checks of the equipment be agreed to in any potential contract. 6. (C) Comment: In presenting the formal request for USG views on the proposed sale during a meeting on Dec 22, Czech MFA staff pointed out the huge symbolic benefits of any sale, even a non VERA sale. The GOCR, and the MFA in particular, which were publicly criticized for halting earlier requests to market VERA, are now under renewed public and private pressure from the politically-influential ERA to license exports. As MFA staff did not hesitate to point out, good news on a high-profile sale like this would boost the ability of the weak Czech government to win approval for controversial policy moves, such as the further extension of Czech troops in Iraq. End Comment. 7. Please provide response in the next 90 days, if possible, to the Czech request for Washington advisory opinion. CABANISS
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    Pakistan started networking their air defence assets in 2001 with major work starting in 2003.The idea was to look for a system which is resitant to jamming,cost effective and hard to detect. VERA-E ticked all boxes. The system had a price tag of 9 Million USD.
    Plan was to keep it as a redundant system.In a scenario where Radar stations had been jammed or destroyed by an invading airforce,the VERA-E would still be able to track enemy aircrafts by tracking their transmissions and calculating their position by Triangulation. Jamming had no effect on the system's perfomance,as jamming is a form of transmission and the system relied on Radio transmissions from the aircraft. The system was pretty accurate too.It has a horizontal error of 50 meters and 400 meters in altitude.
    In 2004 both China and Pakistan ordered 6 systems each,and that sent alarm bells to US policy makers and defence officials.
    The system being Passive,had the capability of tracking even the stalth aircrafts if they are transmitting.
    Instrumental range of the system was about 450 Kilometers.PAF had ordered 6 systems and if the deal had gone through,most of the country would have been covered by a very potent ELINT and Aircraft detection and tracking system.
    It would have been even better with Pakistan's Erieye AEW&C,as the Erieye has its own ELINT sensors,and can identify and record transmissions coming from different sources.
    This information could have been stored in VERA-E data base,and that way in addition to tracking targets,it could have the ability to identify them too.
    But as the wiki leaks above indicated,the deal never went through.
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    just goes to show you why you should be careful with who you do business with and how independent your supplier is.

    whats more the TTP specifically targeted the Western AWCS systems in their attacks on Mehran & Minhas bases and purposely ignored the Chinese friendship symbols (sorry I dont have very flattering view of Chinese systems). so we were left with nothing

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    WikiLeaks cables expose Pakistan nuclear fears



    American and British diplomats fear Pakistan's nuclear weapons programme could lead to fissile material falling into the hands of terrorists or a devastating nuclear exchange with India.

    The latest cache of US embassy cables released by WikiLeaks contains warnings that Pakistan is rapidly building its nuclear stockpile despite the country's growing instability and "pending economic catastrophe".

    Mariot Leslie, a senior British Foreign Office official, told US diplomats in September 2009: "The UK has deep concerns about the safety and security of Pakistan's nuclear weapons," according to one cable classified "secret/noforn [no foreign nationals]".

    Seven months earlier the US ambassador to Islamabad, Anne Patterson, cabled to Washington: "Our major concern is not having an Islamic militant steal an entire weapon but rather the chance someone working in government of Pakistan facilities could gradually smuggle enough material out to eventually make a weapon."

    The leak of classified US diplomatic correspondence exposes in detail the deep tensions between Washington and Islamabad over a broad range of issues, including counter-terrorism, Afghanistan and finance, as well as the nuclear question. The cables also revealed that:

    • Small teams of US special forces have been operating secretly inside Pakistan's tribal areas, with Pakistani government approval, while senior ministers have privately supported US drone attacks.

    • The ambassador starkly informed Washington that "no amount of money" from the US would stop the Pakistani army backing Islamist militants and the Afghan Taliban insurgency.

    • The US concluded Pakistani troops were responsible for a spate of extrajudicial killings in the Swat Valley and tribal belt but decided not to comment publicly to allow the army to take action on its own.

    • Diplomats in Islamabad were asked by the Pentagon to survey refugee camps on the Afghan border, possibly for air strike targeting information.

    • The president, Asif Ali Zardari – whose wife, Benazir Bhutto was assassinated – has made extensive preparations in case he too is killed, and once told the US vice-president, Joe Biden, that he feared the military "might take me out".

    Pakistan's rulers are so sensitive about their much-prized nuclear weapons that in July 2009 they stalled on a previously agreed plan for the US to recover and dispose of highly enriched uranium spent fuel from a nuclear research reactor, in the interests of preventing proliferation and theft. They told the US embassy: "If the local media got word of the fuel removal, "they certainly would portray it as the US taking Pakistan's nuclear weapons".

    US fears over Pakistan were spelled out in an intelligence briefing in 2008. "Despite pending economic catastrophe, Pakistan is producing nuclear weapons at a faster rate than any other country in the world," the secret cable said.

    Leslie, director general of defence and intelligence at the Foreign Office, made clear the UK shared these anxieties when she spoke to US diplomats at a London arms control meeting in September 2009. The Pakistanis were worried the US "will drop in and take their nukes", she said, according to a US cable to Washington. Pakistan was now prepared to accept "nuclear safety help" from British technicians, but only under the auspices of the International Atomic Energy Agency.

    The cable said Leslie thought nuclear proliferation was the greater danger to the world, but it "ranks lower than terrorism on the public's list of perceived threats".

    Another senior British official at the meeting, Jon Day, the Ministry of Defence's director general for security policy, said recent intelligence indicated Pakistan was "not going in a good direction".

    The Russians shared concerns Pakistan was "highly unstable". Yuri Korolev, from the Russian foreign ministry, told US officials: "Islamists are not only seeking power in Pakistan but are also trying to get their hands on nuclear materials."

    Speaking in February in Washington, he called for the problem of Pakistani nuclear sites to be addressed in ongoing missile control talks, claiming: "Over the last few years extremists have attacked vehicles that carry staff to and from these facilities. Some were killed and a number were abducted and there has been no trace seen of them."

    Korolev said: "There are 120,000-130,000 people directly involved in Pakistan's nuclear and missile programmes … There is no way to guarantee that all are 100% loyal and reliable."

    He claimed extremists were now recruiting more easily: "Pakistan has had to hire people to protect nuclear facilities that have especially strict religious beliefs, and recently the general educational and cultural levels in Pakistan has been falling."

    These fears are expressed in the secret state department files against a backdrop of Pakistani determination to build more nuclear warheads.

    A Chinese foreign minister, He Yafei, sought to explain to the Americans why Pakistan was blocking fissile material control talks. At a London meeting in 2009, he said: "The underlying problem … is that India and Pakistan view each other as enemies. Nuclear weapons are crucial to Pakistan. Indeed, a Pakistani military leader said his army was no match for the Indian army."

    US diplomats in Islamabad were told Pakistan was working on producing smaller, tactical nuclear weapons that could be used on the battlefield against Indian troops. "The result of this trend is the need for greater stocks of fissile material … Strategic considerations point Pakistan in the direction of a larger nuclear force that requires a greater amount of fissile material, Pakistani officials argue."

    The US conducted its own secret analysis of India's military contingency plans, which are codenamed Cold Start. India has said that if sufficiently provoked, it would mount a rapid invasion of Pakistan.

    The US said in a cable that it doubted the Indian army was capable of doing so: "It is the collective judgment of the mission that India would likely encounter very mixed results. Indian forces could have significant problems consolidating initial gains due to logistical difficulties and slow reinforcement."

    But the US ambassador to India, Tim Roemer, warned in February that for India to launch Cold Start, would be to "roll the nuclear dice". It could trigger the world's first use of nuclear weapons since Hiroshima and Nagasaki.

    "Indian leaders no doubt realise that, although Cold Start is designed to punish Pakistan in a limited manner without triggering a nuclear response, they cannot be sure whether Pakistani leaders will in fact refrain from such a response."
    Pakistan 'in tatters'

    A senior US intelligence official was "unrelentingly gloomy" about Pakistan, the current safe haven for al-Qaida in the Afghanistan war, during a private briefing of Nato representatives.

    Peter Lavoy, national intelligence officer for south Asia, concluded in November 2008 that nuclear-armed Pakistan's economy was "in tatters" and the country could "completely lose control of its Pashtun territories over the next few years", according to a leaked US cable.

    More than a third of people were unemployed or underemployed, he said.

    "Pakistan's population is becoming less and less educated, the country lacks sufficient energy and clean water resources to serve its population, and there is minimal foreign investment."

    A few months later, in April 2009, Patterson was slightly less gloomy, saying Pakistan was not a "failed state".

    "We nonetheless recognise that the challenges it confronts are dire. The government is losing more and more territory every day to foreign and domestic militant groups; deteriorating law and order in turn is undermining economic recovery. The bureaucracy is settling into third-world mediocrity, as demonstrated by some corruption and a limited capacity to implement or articulate policy."

    She said: "Extremism … is no longer restricted to the border area. We are seeing young Punjabi men turn up in [the tribal areas] and Afghanistan as fighters recruited from areas of southern Punjab where poverty, illiteracy and despair create a breeding ground for extremism."

    The good news was that President Asif Ali Zardari "while far from perfect", was "pro-American and anti-extremist; we believe he is our best ally in the government", she said.

    This January, however, the US special envoy to Afghanistan and Pakistan, Richard Holbrooke, told Indian government officials in Delhi that: "the army was the key decision-maker while President Zardari was increasingly sidelined". He said the civilian government had a limited capacity to move against groups behind the Mumbai terror attacks in 2008.

    http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...-nuclear-fears
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    Re: The Wiki leaks thread

    This site will get attacked soon with a silencer!

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    Seven months earlier the US ambassador to Islamabad, Anne Patterson, cabled to Washington: "Our major concern is not having an Islamic militant steal an entire weapon but rather the chance someone working in government of Pakistan facilities could gradually smuggle enough material out to eventually make a weapon."


    the comments above show ill informed, out of touch and ignorant one can be while "advising" his/ her government from position of authority. any reactive material in its Raw form is carefully handled, preserved and contained let alone the enriched material where every single gram is weighed, and weighed and enclosed in cumbersome casings and foils and shields and whose slightest exposure . she makes it sound as if someone will put a pound of Uranium in a zinc foil and put it in his pocket or the lunch box while driving back home.

    whoever does that will die an agonizing death due to the exposure and will get shot multiple times ones the alarms go off


    smuggling of "enriched uranium" is confused with nicking a pen from office stationary or a chocolate bar from a super market.
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    Any news about the Snowden leaks? Boy I bet the USA are crapping themselves about what may be released....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Irfan Baloch View Post
    just goes to show you why you should be careful with who you do business with and how independent your supplier is.
    I believe that what happened in this case was that the Czech company (or the division of the company) manufacturing the VERA was purchased by an American firm, which then meant that the sale of the system would have to be approved by the US Government ...

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    Here is the article I remember reading a while back about the US purchase of the Czech company (no doubt at whatever price the private Czech owners wanted):

    Czech radar company sold

    23 Nov. 2006 | Frantisek Bouc / The Prague Post | The most formidable Czech military defensive tool - the Vera surveillance radar, which is the only system that can detect the "invisible" U.S. Stealth bomber - is now owned by Americans. U.S. surveillance and flight tracking developer Rannoch Corporation has taken over ERA, the Pardubice-based company that developed Vera. The deal took place in late October, but the daily Mlada fronta Dnes reported it Nov. 11.

    "The ERA facilities are truly world-class," said Rannoch President Dave Ellison in an official statement. "We realize the potential of the combined teams to offer the most comprehensive and technically advanced solutions." Defense Ministry representatives and east Bohemian regional officials were unaware of the development.

    ERA Vice Chairman Milan Bernard confirmed the transaction, adding that ERA's management first wanted to notify the company's shareholders. The terms of the deal were not disclosed, but Bernard said that they would be announced later this month. Defense Ministry spokesman Andrej Cirtek said the takeover was "a strictly private matter," and the government would not interfere in it.

    ERA's Multilateration Surveillance System (MSS) is the best-selling technology around the globe for tracking civilian airplanes, and also the most advanced and proven wide-range multi-altitude radar. The company's main asset, however, is the radar system Vera.

    Traditional radar sends a signal that bounces off a target, letting the radar operators know that something is there. Vera uses "passive location," a unique way of identifying a target without sending out that signal. The technology allows the radar system to be unidentifiable and thus unjammable. Vera can simultaneously monitor up to 200 aircraft, and it is able to precisely determine their distance and altitude.

    The ERA company has received orders for Vera from many countries, including Pakistan, China, Malaysia and Egypt. The U.S. government has repeatedly expressed concern about the Czech radar being sold to countries it deems unfriendly. As a result, ERA had to give up a planned transaction with China in 2004, after the Czech Defense Ministry banned the deal. So far, Vera radar has been sold to the United States and Estonia, and leased to Pakistan. Vera is expected to become a key tool in NATO's new air control system, according to Marshall Billingsley, NATO's investment department director.

    http://www.czechinvest.org/en/czech-radar-company-sold

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    The article indicates that the VERA system was leased to Pakistan - that is correct, it was leased to Pakistan in order for the Pakistani military to evaluate the system, and as the Wikileak documents show, Pakistan had placed an order for the system which was torpedoes by Pakistan's 'ally', the US. So much for US ranting and whining about why Pakistan does not trust the US.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sinbad View Post
    Any news about the Snowden leaks? Boy I bet the USA are crapping themselves about what may be released....
    that guy is a fake, he didnt say even a single thing which we dont already know

    -shocker 1 .. NSA is spying over us
    -shocker 2 .. civilians die in Drone strikes
    -shocker 3 .. American spies on its allies
    -shocker 4 .. American military tries to cover up blunders

    and so forth,

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    Monday, September 5, 2011
    US PMA-290 Team Inspected Pakistani P-3C Orion Maritime Aircrafts
    WikiLeaks has revealed that teams of the United States of America was allowed o inspect the P-3C Orion maritime aircrafts of the Pakistan Navy in 2009 to show that no tempering was done with the aircrafts.

    According to the cables released by the Wikileaks, United States of America was worried that Pakistan Navy has modified its P-3C Orion maritime aircrafts and Harpoon Block I missiles for ground attack role.

    Pakistani Naval Chief, Chief of Staff Admiral Noman Bashir allowed a three man US team to immediately conduct an inventory of the missiles and P-3C aircrafts. US team visited Pakistani naval base during October 12-14 for inspection.

    This PMA-290 team conducted an in depth Enhanced End-Use Monitoring (EEUM) inspection of the four aircraft, which consisted of visual and functional checks of the Weapons Replaceable Unit, Data Decoder/Encoder, Control Distribution Box, Harpoon Interconnection Box, Harpoon Missile Control Panel, Data Processing Computer, as well as the aircraft wings and weapon-mounting points and all associated wiring.

    After the inspection US PMA-290 team was satisfied that Pakistan Navy had made no modifications to the P-3C Orion maritime aircrafts and Harpoon Block I missiles.

    Recently United States has expressed similar concerns after PNS Mehran Base was attacked on May 22 which resulted in the loss of two P-3C Orion maritime aircrafts.

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    SERVICES GROUP USING PAKISTAN
    COUNTER-INSURGENCY FUNDING
    1. (U) Summary: Post supports
    the procurement of night
    vision devices (NVDs) for the
    Pakistan military at a cost of
    $300,000, using FY09 Pakistan
    Counter-Insurgency Funding
    (PCF). The purchase is for 25
    Renegade 320 Thermal Imaging
    Devices for the Special Services
    Group (SSG). End Summary.
    2. (SBU) The Pakistan Army
    Special Services Group (SSG)
    requested 25 Thermal Imaging
    Devices (Renegade 320) for its
    units at a cost of $300,000.
    This procurement, via Pakistan
    Counter-Insurgency Funding (PCF)
    from FY09 funds, will
    improve both the quantity and
    quality of Pakistan defense
    forces' night fighting
    capability. The Renegade 320s
    will be
    distributed to SSG units
    conducting counter-insurgency
    operations in the Federally
    Administered Tribal Areas
    (FATA).
    JUSTIFICATION FOR SALE
    ----------------------
    3. (SBU) Pakistan's counter-
    insurgency operations require
    the ability to conduct the full
    range of intelligence
    gathering and combat activities
    24 hours per day in order to
    deny enemy militants the cover of
    darkness. The Renegade
    320s will be fielded to critical
    observers and snipers in the
    SSG. The resulting increase in
    night fighting and night
    operations capabilities will
    improve Pakistan's ability to
    counter insurgents and terrorists
    located in Pakistan's
    border regions.
    NIGHT VISION DEVICE INFORMATION
    -------------------------------
    4. (SBU) The Renegade 320s are
    used for urban reconnaissance
    and close-quarter or long-range
    intelligence gathering.
    These NVDs are GEN III equipment
    and are mission essential
    for the special trained forces
    to which the devices will be
    issued.
    ADDITIONAL INFORMATION FOR
    PROCUREMENT
    --------------------------------------
    5. (U) This acquisition will
    not affect Pakistan's force
    structure nor does it introduce
    new technology to Pakistan or
    the region. Similar devices are
    in widespread use. NVDs
    will be used by existing units.
    END USE MONITORING
    ------------------
    6. (U) End Use Monitoring and
    compliance verification will
    be performed by the Office of
    Defense Representative Pakistan
    (ODRP) during annual inventories
    of sensitive items. The
    Pakistan military possesses a
    total of 982 NVDs which are
    subject to U.S. inventory and
    cooperates fully in planning
    and conducting inventories.
    U.S. TRAINING AND SUPPORT
    -------------------------
    7. (SBU) No U.S. training or
    in-country U.S. support is
    required other than annual
    inventories required under
    enhanced end use monitoring
    provisions noted in para 6.
    However, in country training on
    the NVDs will be provided by
    currently assigned U.S. SOC-FWD-
    PAK personnel.
    HUMAN RIGHTS CONSIDERATION
    --------------------------
    8. (U) There are no human
    rights considerations precluding
    the release of NVDs to the
    Pakistan military.
    FEIERSTEIN

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