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    Re: WZ-10 Helicopter Discussions | Updates

    [MENTION=1244]Muse[/MENTION]

    we discussed in one of the thread. Chinese helicopter technological capability is still in nascent stage.

    IF you analyze chinese success in aerospace industry then you will find that Chinese received massive help in aircraft division
    1. Israel built,designed J10 for China from scratch. They sold critical F16 design & tech of avionics,control system, pods,aerodesign at throw away prices.


    2. Russia Su27 were reverse engineered into J11. Basically J11 is 90% similar to Su27 but inferior in quality.


    Chinese helicopters are junk bcoz they tried to develop it indigenously.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mohan Tiwari View Post
    [MENTION=1244]Muse[/MENTION]

    we discussed in one of the thread. Chinese helicopter technological capability is still in nascent stage.

    IF you analyze chinese success in aerospace industry then you will find that Chinese received massive help in aircraft division
    1. Israel built,designed J10 for China from scratch. They sold critical F16 design & tech of avionics,control system, pods,aerodesign at throw away prices.


    2. Russia Su27 were reverse engineered into J11. Basically J11 is 90% similar to Su27 but inferior in quality.


    Chinese helicopters are junk bcoz they tried to develop it indigenously.
    Bit rich coming from an Indian. Even if we accept what you say reverse engineering is not an easy matter often harder than building from scratch but then you the injun knows better
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    Is there any update as to whether or not the Pakistani are or have been testing this machine? Last I had read, three machines were provided ostensibly for testing - perhaps the service and pilot crews have to be trained in order to test the machine properly?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Muse View Post
    Is there any update as to whether or not the Pakistani are or have been testing this machine? Last I had read, three machines were provided ostensibly for testing - perhaps the service and pilot crews have to be trained in order to test the machine properly?
    CHINESE THUNDERBOLTS REPLACE AMERICAN COBRAS: NEW Z-10 ATTACK HELICOPTERS FOR PAKISTAN
    CHINESE MADE HELICOPTERS COULD SOON FIGHT THE TALIBAN
    By Jeffrey Lin and P.W. Singer Posted April 1, 2015

    China Pakistan Z-10 attack helicopter
    Pakistan's Z-10s

    Pakistan recently took delivery of three Z-10 attack helicopters, stored at this hangar in the Qasim Army base near Rawalphindi. The helicopters' state of disassembly suggests that Pakistani technicians are working to quickly familarize themselves with these new helicopters by installing rotor blades and other parts for flight, and then combat.

    Since a January 2015 agreement, China has transferred three Z-10 "Thunderbolt" attack helicopters to Pakistan, which has become China's staunchest ally and largest weapons buyer. These three Z-10 helicopters are currently at a Pakistani Army base in Qasim/Dhamial, undergoing testing, maintenance training and modifications for operating in the Khyber mountains.
    Z-10 attack helicopter China

    The Z-10, like other modern attack helicopters, carries a wide variety of missiles and rockets like the HJ-10 anti-tank missile, as well as its 23mm chain gun, which can spit out about 600 8oz shells a minute.
    The Z-10 is built by the Changhe Aircraft Industries Corporation, with design input from Russia's Kamov Design Bureau. It first flew in 2003, and the PLA and the PLAN currently flies around 80-100 helicopters. The 7-8 ton Z-10 is similar to other attack helicopters like the AH-64 Apache, Mi-28 Havoc and August Westland Mangusta. With its heavy armament of a 23mm cannon, and over a ton of guided weapons including HJ-10 anti-tank missiles, 57mm rockets and TY-90 air to air missiles, the Z-10 is China's frontline attack helicopter, replacing the Cold War era Z-9 (itself a French license copy).
    China Pakistan Z-10 attack helicopter
    Flight Prep

    The Z-10's primary sensor is the round turret on the bottom half of its nose,similar to sensor turrets found on UAVs like the Reaper. The sensor turret carries a variety of cameras, including night vision, electro-optical and infrared imaging.
    The Z-10 will supplement Pakistan's arsenal of 51 aging American built AH-1 "Cobra" attack helicopters. In particular, the Z-10's greater size allows it to carry more powerful thermal imaging and night vision equipment than the AH-1F, as well as "fire and forget" missiles like the HJ-10 (the AH-1's TOW missile requires that the helicopter maintain line of sight with the target, which leaves it vulnerable to anti-air fire). The Z-10 also has a laser target designator, which could allow it to provide guidance support for missiles fired by the Burraq armed drones.

    Z-10 attack helicopter China
    Z-10 Squadron

    The PLA currently has at least eight squadrons of Z-10 attack helicopters, for a total of nearly 100 helicopters. If China succeeds in exporting the Z-10 to Pakistan, it would make it a highly competitive export prospect.
    Once they enter into service, Pakistans' Z-10 attack helicopter would likely fight in Operations Khyber 1 and Zarb e Azb against Taliban fighters near the Afghan border. The Z-10 would be used, as have the AH-1s, to provide close air support for Pakistani troops, as well as to conduct search and kill mission of high value terrorist targets, and battlefield reconnaissance.
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    Try to catch this Thunderbolt

    Attack helicopters are surprisingly agile, as this aerobatic Z-10 sprays off colored smoke and fires flares. While high turn maneuvers and smoke wouldn't fool most modern surface to air missiles like handheld MANPADS, flares can still be effective.
    Future upgrades for the Z-10 could include a millimeter wave radar similar to the American Longbow system, more powerful WZ-16 turboshaft engines to increase speed and armor, improved infrared and electronic countermeasures, and the ability to network with unmanned systems such as drones. If Pakistan finds the Z-10 to be capable platforms, it would likely replace the Cobra as Pakistan's next attack helicopter. And a successful trail by combat would make the Z-10 very attractive to other foreign buyers. Just another sign that China is making waves in the international arms market, selling increasingly sophisticated systems such as warships, air defense and anti-ship missiles.

    http://www.popsci.com/chinese-thunde...pters-pakistan

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