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    Re: J-10 "Vigorous Dragon" Multirole Fighter Jet

    Meteor won't be in service until 2017

    I compared current weapon capabilities. I will update the Chinese J-10A and French Rafale comparison in 2017.

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    Jan 23, 2014 - According to Howyan, Meteor integration could be complete by mid-2017. French Rafales will be able to carry two Meteors, on the rear lateral ..."

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    Chinese J-10A armed with PL-12 missile is far superior to French Rafale armed with MICA missile


    PL-12 / SD-10A on display at Datangshan in 2010 (Zhenguan Studio, 2010, Air Power Australia).


    A MICA EM missile (top) and MICA IR (bottom), displayed at Farnborough in 1998 (Duncan Lennox)

    1. The Chinese PL-12 air-to-air missile has higher potential energy in combat. The Chinese J-10A has a service ceiling of 18,000m. The French Rafale has a lower service ceiling of 16,800m. For combat, the same missile launched at a higher altitude (such as 18,000m) will fly further.

    2. The Chinese PL-12 missile has higher kinetic energy in combat. A missile fired from a Mach 2.2 J-10A will fly much further than a missile fired from a much slower Mach 1.8 Rafale. The J-10A has a faster "maximum speed of Mach 2.2 at altitude" than the significantly slower "Mach 1.8+" for the French Rafale.

    3. The Chinese PL-12 missile is significantly larger in size and can carry more rocket propellant. More rocket fuel means greater range.

    Chinese PL-12 missile has a volume of 3.7m x pi x (0.1m^2) = 0.116 cubic meters

    French MICA missile has a volume of 3.1m x pi x (0.08m^2) = 0.062 cubic meters

    In conclusion, the Chinese PL-12 has almost twice the volume of the much smaller French Rafale missile.
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    PL-12 | GlobalSecurity

    "The missile is thought to correspond to the PL-12 designation, which is also associated with the SD-10 designation, possibly for export purposes. Like the basic R-77, Project 129 appears to have a body diameter of 200 mm., with a length of around 3.7 meters (12.1 ft.)."
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    Mica RF - Deagel

    "Mica RF
    IOC: 1996
    Also Known As: Mica EM
    Origin: France
    Contractor/s: MBDA

    Dimensions

    Diameter: 160 millimeter
    Length: 3.10 meter"
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    China's J-10A Vigorous Dragon is superior to French Rafale


    China's J-10A flies higher, faster, and carry longer-range PL-12 AAM (air-to-air missile) than French Rafale.


    The J-10A carries four PL-12 missiles with 70+ km range that can easily shoot down a French Rafale carrying shorter 50km range MICA missiles.

    The J-10A has a service ceiling of 18,000m. The French Rafale has a lower service ceiling of 16,800m. For combat, the same missile launched at a higher altitude (such as 18,000m) will fly further.

    For within-visual-range (WVR) combat, a J-10A can circle above and swoop down with guns blazing on a helpless French Rafale. On the other hand, a French Rafale cannot engage a high-flying J-10A at 18,000m (which is 1,200m beyond the French Rafale's service ceiling).

    The J-10A can carry four PL-12 beyond-visual-range (BVR) missiles with 70+ km range. However, the MICA missile carried by the French Rafale has a much shorter 50km range (according to GlobalSecurity).

    There is an alternative citation for a higher 100km range for the PL-12 (see International Assessment and Strategy Center > Research > The Air Balance on the Taiwan Strait).

    The J-10A has a faster "maximum speed of Mach 2.2 at altitude" than the significantly slower "Mach 1.8+" for the French Rafale. This means the J-10A can fire its four PL-12 missiles at a French Rafale at 60km and fly home safely. The French Rafale's slower speed means it cannot chase down a J-10A.

    The final point is the deadliness of China's PL-12 missiles.

    Advanced but Unproved Chinese BVR Medium Range Missile SD-10

    "Its seven recent test firings all hit the targets.
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    Experts believe that domestic SD-10's performance has surpassed the U.S. AIM-120A/B, Russian R-77 and the French MICA (Missile d'Interception et de Combat Aerien), etc., and close to the AIM-120C."

    [Note: PL-12/SD-10 refers to the same missile.]

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    References (for Wikipedia articles, see primary source footnotes):

    Chengdu J-10 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Dassault Rafale - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Mica | GlobalSecurity
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    Re: J-10 "Vigorous Dragon" Multirole Fighter Jet

    [MENTION=874]Martin[/MENTION]... What abt the comparison between the Radar's of J-10A/B vs Rafael (including the combat radious of aircrafts)???

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    Re: J-10 "Vigorous Dragon" Multirole Fighter Jet

    Quote Originally Posted by tamz_thunder View Post
    [MENTION=874]Martin[/MENTION]... What abt the comparison between the Radar's of J-10A/B vs Rafael (including the combat radious of aircrafts)???
    It's not important.

    Chinese J-10A fighters are part of a strike group with the Chinese KJ-2000 AWACS providing radar coverage.


    Chinese KJ-2000 AWACS with a squadron of J-11 fighters.
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    The 10th serial J-10B shooted in test flight

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