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    Contours of communalism in India



    There are always two major dimensions to communal violence that need to be investigated and understood for a proper analysis of what constitutes a traumatic, brutal attack on the freedoms and rights of citizens of a secular India. One is of course the complete failure and at times the complicity of the state in preventing the violence and/or controlling it well in time. The second, that is often disregarded but cannot be without serious consequences for secularism, is not really who ignited the violence but who created the conditions and the environment to make a town, village or area communally volatile.

    In Muzaffarnagar there is clear evidence of both dimensions. Many have been killed, brutally; hundreds injured and thousands displaced as fear overtakes even the rural countryside that had remained relatively free of communal violence over the turbulent decades since Independence. This writer received several messages from western Uttar Pradesh over the last three weeks at least, pointing towards growing communal tension in the area. It now turns out that there was sufficient intelligence information of the same, with the Akhilesh Yadav government being informed about the impending violence. Nothing was done as the state government slept.

    Instead a mahapanchayat that was little more than a gathering of political leaders from the BJP in particular was allowed to be held in the tense areas, spewing venom and inciting the villagers to take recourse to violence. The state government again ignored the provocative speeches until Muzaffarnagar burst out in flames. Given the widespread violence the state police, never competent or able, was reduced to the role of a bystander with the Army being called in to maintain law and order. Such has been the viciousness that even the Army that is out in strength is finding it difficult to contain the violence and is struggling to restore some levels of peace and equilibrium.

    There is a demand now for President's rule in Uttar Pradesh and given the failure of the Samajwadi party government to tackle the communal violence that is overtaking UP, New Delhi should consider this seriously. The Chief Minister is too young and inexperienced to handle the situation and is now in that strange position where he is being attacked not just by the opposition but also by worthies from his own party, like the notorious Azam Khan. Samajwadi party President Mulayam Singh Yadav is being credited with a temper tantrum by sections of the media quoting sources. These ‘sources’ point out that ‘Netaji’ is furious with the administration, and perhaps his son as well.

    The point that needs to be made here is that Akhilesh Yadav was very reluctant to become the Chief Minister, but was forced into that position by his father and uncles who now control him, and barely let the man breathe. This is not to say that he would have handled the situation any better, but to underline the fact that he was never really given a chance. And as Mulayam Singh should have known better than any other, governing UP requires exceptional administrative and political capabilities that the young man could not be expected to have brought to the job at the first instance.

    So while heads roll, and the politicians slug it out, the second dimension of the violence could well find itself relegated to the background, particularly, as this would suit the BJP and its supporters in industry and the media. There was a design behind the decision to send henchman Amit Shah to Uttar Pradesh. And this is becoming more and more evident now as the BJP hand in the violence becomes visible. As a writer who has extensively covered communal violence all over the country, the story really lies in the days of preparation. Here a well knit propaganda machinery comes into play, spreading rumours and falsehoods and convincing its own vote bank that it is under threat of violence from the “other”. In the 1970s till the late 1990s this was the handiwork of both the RSS and the Jamaat-i-Islami but subsequently the latter has weakened substantially and lost the network required to spread rumours in the same manner as before. To cite a small example. Aligarh in the 1980s erupted in violence. The reason was an altercation between a biryani seller and a customer. In Muzaffarnagar the ostensible reason being given is an eve teasing incident. The actual incidents are just a trigger and quite meaningless as the ‘preparations’ by the communal forces turn the targeted town into a tinder box, where even a sneeze could be enough to ignite a fire. The conspirators have to just sit and wait it out, as given the high voltage tension, violence is inevitable.

    The people as always pay the price. In the midst of the gloom, there is the story of two villagers who have resisted the violence through sanity and reason. Instead of arming themselves with knives and daggers to draw blood of the ‘other’ they have exposed the ‘conspiracy’ taking the lead to preach sense and secularism. Unfortunately the communal forces in India now have a field day in spreading the politics of hate, as there is really no counter force to stop them in their tracks. It does seem that in the initial stages, the Samajwadi party was going along with the BJP in triggering off relatively smaller incidents of communal violence, so that their respective vote banks could be consolidated. But now clearly this has boomeranged, with the violence shaking the stability of the government. It was bound to, but opportunist politicians cannot see beyond their nose, and this is where organisations like the RSS score. Instead of blaming the state government alone, Mr Azam Khan must also introspect and realise how his kind of politics also helps vitiate the secular environment.

    The UP government, if it manages to remain in power now, must take immediate steps to ensure that no violence takes place as the country gears up for elections. Action has to be taken to prevent this, not just through the law and order machinery, but through a secular campaign in which all non-communal political parties participate. UP and Bihar are the target states for those determined to come to power by any means. These should also become the target states for the secular forces who should work together to ensure that the propaganda of lies is quashed before it spreads, and is overwhelmed by the message of peace and harmony. Sounds good, but of course easier said than done.
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    BJP leader charged with inflaming communal tensions

    LUCKNOW: Police on Wed*n**es*day charged the president of India’s ruling political party, Amit Shah, over a speech that allegedly inflamed religious tensions during the national election campaign, an officer said.

    Shah, leader of the Hindu nationalist Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), was charged for the speech he made at a rally in northern Uttar Pradesh state that was torn apart last year by deadly Muslim-Hindu riots.

    “The charge sheet against Amit Shah has been filed by the investigating officer,” deputy superintendent of police Yogendra Singh said in the district of Muzaffarnagar where the riots occurred.

    Shah, a key confidante of Prime Minister Narendra Modi, was credited for his role in the BJP winning a landslide victory at the elections in May over the centre-left Congress party run by the Gandhi dynasty.

    Police filed the chargesheet on Wednesday in a local court in Muzaffarnagar, under sections of the criminal code that include making a statement that intends to cause religious outrage.

    The charges also include promoting tensions between different religious groups and appealing for votes on religious grounds, police officer Singh said.

    Shah, who was chief strategist in the electorally critical state of Uttar Pradesh during the campaign, was not present in court to hear the charges.

    In his speech, Shah reportedly told a crowd of largely Hindu voters that it was time to seek revenge by casting their ballots at the national election.

    He branded the then centre-left government as one “that protects and gives compensation to those who killed Hindus”.

    More than 50 people were killed in the sectarian unrest in Muzaffarnagar district, where several BJP members also faced investigation of inciting violence against minority Muslims.

    The speech was seen by political rivals at the time as an attempt to polarise voting along religious lines in the Hindu-majority country.

    POLITICAL VENDETTA: A BJP spokesman said the charges were a political vendetta against Shah, 50, who had done “nothing wrong”. “This is pure and pure political vendetta by the state government,” BJP spokesman Ram Madhav said.

    “We will deal with it politically. “The BJP also defended the speech at the time that he made it, saying asking for revenge through voting was not inflammatory.

    Published in Dawn, September 11th, 2014

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    One is not surprised hearing hate speech in Pakistan, we are not a secular democracy and don't claim to be either, we try to justify discrimination and letting hate speech thrive this way. But India is a secular nation or at least claims to be, and it is surprising how accepted hate speech is in their country.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amina-Shaikh View Post
    One is not surprised hearing hate speech in Pakistan, we are not a secular democracy and don't claim to be either, we try to justify discrimination and letting hate speech thrive this way. But India is a secular nation or at least claims to be, and it is surprising how accepted hate speech is in their country.
    Authorities are talking appropriate actions against them, aren't they ?
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    Re: BJP leader charged with inflaming communal tensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Amina-Shaikh View Post
    One is not surprised hearing hate speech in Pakistan, we are not a secular democracy and don't claim to be either, we try to justify discrimination and letting hate speech thrive this way. But India is a secular nation or at least claims to be, and it is surprising how accepted hate speech is in their country.
    just try to get to know,what exactly he said.He was just framed by UP govt and....a country is said to be secular when the person is punished for spreading hatred on the name of religion,that's what happened here;chargesheet was filed against him but He was just framed by UP govt so..
    UP court returns charge sheet against Amit Shah
    In a major setback to Uttar Pradesh Police, a Muzaffaranagar court Thursday rejected and returned a charge sheet filed against Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP) president Amit Shah, officials said.
    The magistrate returned the charge sheet with directions to police that the case should be re-investigated as there were many lacuna in the sections slapped on Shah, they said.
    The rejection left the Akhilesh Yadav government red-faced as the BJP state unit has alleged that the Samajwadi Party government added new sections - some serious and non-bailable - against Shah out of political vendetta.
    BJP state president Laxmikant Bajpai told IANS it now been proved beyond doubt that frightened at the prospect of losing the bypolls scheduled for Sep 13, the Samajwadi Party stooped to very low levels.
    "It has been reduced to rubble in the Lok Sabha polls and is on the verge of being decimated again in the bypolls. With this desperation, it somehow wants to frame political adversaries," he said.
    Police Wednesday filed the charge sheet against Shah in Muzaffarnagar over a speech he delivered during the Lok Sabha election campaign.
    Shah reportedly delivered the speedch April 4. He was then booked by police for breaching prohibitory orders under Section 144. He was at that time in charge of the BJP poll campaign in Uttar Pradesh.
    Now, more Sections - 153(a), 295(a) and 505 of the Indian Penal Code - have been added to the charge sheet filed by Nai Mandi police of Muzaffarnagar.
    Under these sections, Shah has been accused of using foul words against a community and of trying to disrupt communal harmony, threatening the state and the people.
    If the charges are proved to be true, the BJP president could face a prison term of three years.
    The returning of the charge sheet by the additional chief judicial magistrate III is now set to become an issue in the Sep 13 bypolls for 11 assembly and one parliamentary constituencies.
    Meanwhile, home department officials said police would will be asked to re-investigate the matter thoroughly and submit a new charge shee
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    Re: BJP leader charged with inflaming communal tensions

    Quote Originally Posted by Amina-Shaikh View Post
    One is not surprised hearing hate speech in Pakistan, we are not a secular democracy and don't claim to be either, we try to justify discrimination and letting hate speech thrive this way. But India is a secular nation or at least claims to be, and it is surprising how accepted hate speech is in their country.
    Isn't taking revenge by vote democratic?
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    Modi must have a rye smile. Heaven forbid. He would never get involved in anything like this......

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    [MENTION=3250]sparkling[/MENTION], [MENTION=6296]Amina-Shaikh[/MENTION], [MENTION=3527]Agnostic_Indian[/MENTION] and [MENTION=8506]gokuuuuu[/MENTION]

    The NDTV news announced that Amit Shah was cleared of all charges relating to inflaming religious tensions.

    That said, the election campaigning was marked by religious bigotry, and inflammatory statements by particularly BJP politicians. Given the Indian judicial system, whether or not anyone is found guilty of any such actions is of course doubtful. The Hindu right can deny all they like, but their statements are a matter of public record.
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    Re: BJP leader charged with inflaming communal tensions

    Quote Originally Posted by SHAMAS View Post
    [MENTION=3250]sparkling[/MENTION], [MENTION=6296]Amina-Shaikh[/MENTION], [MENTION=3527]Agnostic_Indian[/MENTION] and [MENTION=8506]gokuuuuu[/MENTION]

    The NDTV news announced that Amit Shah was cleared of all charges relating to inflaming religious tensions.

    That said, the election campaigning was marked by religious bigotry, and inflammatory statements by particularly BJP politicians. Given the Indian judicial system, whether or not anyone is found guilty of any such actions is of course doubtful. The Hindu right can deny all they like, but their statements are a matter of public record.

    The most important part their statements that are a matter of public record can not just be washed away

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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAMAS View Post
    [MENTION=3250]sparkling[/MENTION], [MENTION=6296]Amina-Shaikh[/MENTION], [MENTION=3527]Agnostic_Indian[/MENTION] and [MENTION=8506]gokuuuuu[/MENTION]

    The NDTV news announced that Amit Shah was cleared of all charges relating to inflaming religious tensions.

    That said, the election campaigning was marked by religious bigotry, and inflammatory statements by particularly BJP politicians. Given the Indian judicial system, whether or not anyone is found guilty of any such actions is of course doubtful. The Hindu right can deny all they like, but their statements are a matter of public record.
    That's excellent viewing. Justice!

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    Re: BJP leader charged with inflaming communal tensions

    Quote Originally Posted by SHAMAS View Post
    [MENTION=3250]sparkling[/MENTION], [MENTION=6296]Amina-Shaikh[/MENTION], [MENTION=3527]Agnostic_Indian[/MENTION] and [MENTION=8506]gokuuuuu[/MENTION]

    The NDTV news announced that Amit Shah was cleared of all charges relating to inflaming religious tensions.

    That said, the election campaigning was marked by religious bigotry, and inflammatory statements by particularly BJP politicians. Given the Indian judicial system, whether or not anyone is found guilty of any such actions is of course doubtful. The Hindu right can deny all they like, but their statements are a matter of public record.
    Why am I not surprised?
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    I think [MENTION=8056]SHAMAS[/MENTION] said it perfectly. Just follow the election campaign, or the hate speeches made by Modi in 2002 before Muslims were killed, or listen to the hate speeches in Ayodhya. Hate speeches thrive in India, and they allow it, especially if it is against Muslims.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SHAMAS View Post
    [MENTION=3250]sparkling[/MENTION], [MENTION=6296]Amina-Shaikh[/MENTION], [MENTION=3527]Agnostic_Indian[/MENTION] and [MENTION=8506]gokuuuuu[/MENTION]

    The NDTV news announced that Amit Shah was cleared of all charges relating to inflaming religious tensions.

    That said, the election campaigning was marked by religious bigotry, and inflammatory statements by particularly BJP politicians. Given the Indian judicial system, whether or not anyone is found guilty of any such actions is of course doubtful. The Hindu right can deny all they like, but their statements are a matter of public record.
    court rejected the charge sheet on technical grounds, police will re investigate and file new charge shčet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Why am I not surprised?
    Because you are gullible and a man with severe prejudice.

    The court has returned the charge sheet because of its non compliance to CrPc 173 which says police must seek an arrest of accused before filing any charge sheet.

    There is no acquittal of any nor any hearing done.
    [MENTION=6296]Amina-Shaikh[/MENTION] - Can you please point us to hate speeches by Modi in 2002?
    [MENTION=1281]Wajid47[/MENTION] [MENTION=8056]SHAMAS[/MENTION] - Justice? Did court gave any verdict? Dont jump the gun in excitement of bashing.
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    Re: BJP leader charged with inflaming communal tensions

    [MENTION=126]PoKeMon[/MENTION]

    We've been through this sh*t before.

    Your knee-jerk defence of all things Indian is itself prejudice. I attack what needs to be attacked regardless of the nation, or religion. I don't make blanket condemnations, quite specific ones.

    You're essentially arguing that all politicians in India are angels, who never make communal statements and that you don't have rabid nationalists that confuse religion and nationhood and amount to you talking out of the wrong orifice. If the behaviour of politicians or the judicial system in India (and I'd say the same applies to the Pakistani judicial system) doesn't live up to the image of perfect India you have in mind, then get up off your backside and do something instead of continually denying that bad/wrong things happen in India too, and not just the rest of the world!
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    Re: BJP leader charged with inflaming communal tensions

    Quote Originally Posted by SHAMAS View Post
    [MENTION=126]PoKeMon[/MENTION]

    We've been through this sh*t before.

    Your knee-jerk defence of all things Indian is itself prejudice. I attack what needs to be attacked regardless of the nation, or religion. I don't make blanket condemnations, quite specific ones.

    You're essentially arguing that all politicians in India are angels, who never make communal statements and that you don't have rabid nationalists that confuse religion and nationhood and amount to you talking out of the wrong orifice. If the behaviour of politicians or the judicial system in India (and I'd say the same applies to the Pakistani judicial system) doesn't live up to the image of perfect India you have in mind, then get up off your backside and do something instead of continually denying that bad/wrong things happen in India too, and not just the rest of the world!
    I guess your earlier remark was on Indian judiciary not on insane politicians.

    And please dont compare Indian judiciary with pakistan's, though I dont have problem with bad mouthing politicians.

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    Re: BJP leader charged with inflaming communal tensions

    [MENTION=126]PoKeMon[/MENTION]

    Your last remark about Pakistani judiciary clearly shows your prejudice.

    Both judiciaries are crap. Until the police and judiciary system are substantially improved India will not be able to play its proper role on the world stage. The lack of massive investment in infrastructure is the other major need in India. For its citizens and to maximise its economic growth she will need to address these aspects. Sadly Pakistan is in dire straights and things are looking pretty grim, but it would also benefit from the same sort of reforms I've suggested. However, Pakistan needs to address the problem of religious fanaticism and the menacing military oversight of all things political.

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    Re: BJP leader charged with inflaming communal tensions

    Quote Originally Posted by SHAMAS View Post
    [MENTION=126]PoKeMon[/MENTION]

    Your last remark about Pakistani judiciary clearly shows your prejudice.

    Both judiciaries are crap. Until the police and judiciary system are substantially improved India will not be able to play its proper role on the world stage. The lack of massive investment in infrastructure is the other major need in India. For its citizens and to maximise its economic growth she will need to address these aspects. Sadly Pakistan is in dire straights and things are looking pretty grim, but it would also benefit from the same sort of reforms I've suggested. However, Pakistan needs to address the problem of religious fanaticism and the menacing military oversight of all things political.
    When the truth is out for all to see, its not a prejudice anymore.

    Though we are not even close to perfect, Indian institutional strength and specially judiciary(in cases of utmost importance) outplays pakistan's institutions by huge margin.

    Let me know a single instance of political system failing the judiciary or vice versa?
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    Re: BJP leader charged with inflaming communal tensions

    Quote Originally Posted by SHAMAS View Post
    [MENTION=126]PoKeMon[/MENTION]

    Your last remark about Pakistani judiciary clearly shows your prejudice.

    Both judiciaries are crap. Until the police and judiciary system are substantially improved India will not be able to play its proper role on the world stage. The lack of massive investment in infrastructure is the other major need in India. For its citizens and to maximise its economic growth she will need to address these aspects. Sadly Pakistan is in dire straights and things are looking pretty grim, but it would also benefit from the same sort of reforms I've suggested. However, Pakistan needs to address the problem of religious fanaticism and the menacing military oversight of all things political.
    Sub continent judiciary is in its infancy stages. Both are poor to say the least
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    [MENTION=8056]SHAMAS[/MENTION]
    Nobody is arguing that india or indian judiciary is perfect, pokmon just contested your veiled suggestion that Indian judiciary made a mistake or biased judgement on case against amit shah.. Indian judiciary is not biased and quality of judges and judgement also is comparable to any other judicial systems around the world.. only weak area is the sluggish pace of the judiciary because it's overburdened with cases.. Supreme court and govt is currently looking into this matter.
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