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    Re: MiGs touch down on the Vikramaditya’s deck

    Quote Originally Posted by contract killer View Post
    Agreed current Barak-1 is not sufficient to counter N tipped incoming missile.
    But Barak 8 will take care of this issue.

    Maitri will also serve purpose to some extent.
    That can counter Nukes comming straight at the CBG . I was talking about a nuke that detonates high above the CBG and the EMP generated is essentialy enough to
    fry the circuitory!
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    Re: MiGs touch down on the Vikramaditya’s deck

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha1 View Post
    That can counter Nukes comming straight at the CBG . I was talking about a nuke that detonates high above the CBG and the EMP generated is essentialy enough to
    fry the circuitory!
    For that, all counter measures are well in place in Vikarmaditya.

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    Re: MiGs touch down on the Vikramaditya’s deck

    There are currently no measures to counter a kiloton and above NEMP !
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    Russia to hand over Vikramaditya on Nov. 15

    INS Vikramaditya will be handed over to the Indian Navy on November 15 at a formal ceremony in the Russian northern seaport of Severodvinsk on the White Sea.

    The delivery date was confirmed at talks Defence Secretary R.K. Mathur held in Moscow on Monday, according to informed sources.

    A high-level Indian defence delegation paid a one-day visit to Moscow to prepare an annual session of the Indo-Russian Intergovernmental Commission on Military-Technical Cooperation that will meet in Russia next month under the chair of the two Defence Ministers.

    The upgraded and retrofitted aircraft carrier is now completing sea trials and is expected to return to the Sevmash Shipyard in Severodvinsk in the next few weeks.

    The ship was to be delivered last December, but failed the sea trials after its boilers and some other systems malfunctioned. This time, all systems performed flawlessly, including daytime and night takeoff and landings by MiG-29K deck fighter planes, the sources said.

    The sides were tight-lipped on the issue of India acquiring a second nuclear submarine from Russia, but the sources confirmed that Moscow was willing to lease another Akula class submarine if India paid for completing its construction. The submarine has been lying half-built at the Amur Shipyard in the Russian Far East since it was mothballed in the 1990s for lack of funds.

    On the recent accident in which INS Sindhurakshak sank after rocked by explosions, the Russian side agreed to provide expert assistance for raising the submarine and carrying out its technical inspection.

    Russia will also beef up its team of 100 engineers, now deployed in Vishakhapatnam in order to speed up midterm repairs to INS Sindhudhvaj and INS Sindhushashtra. The Russian side also offered to have two more Indian Navy Kilo class submarines undergo midterm repairs in Russia, the sources said.

    In reviewing progress of the Fifth Generation Fighter Aircraft, the sides noted with satisfaction the completion of preliminary design phase earlier this year. It is hoped that a contract for detailed design could be signed before the end of the year if the sides sort out the issue of costs.

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    Re: Russia to hand over Vikramaditya on Nov. 15

    After a long wait..
    It won't have SAMs for sometimes, only AK360 CIWS

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    Re: Russia to hand over Vikramaditya on Nov. 15

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha1 View Post
    After a long wait..
    It won't have SAMs for sometimes, only AK360 CIWS
    Yes, but has a provision of being upgraded with SAM's.

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    Re: INS Vikramaditya News and Discussion

    Night landing ship prototype of the MiG-29K (side number "941") on the deck of an aircraft carrier
    for India rebuilt Vikramaditya. The
    plane was piloted by test pilot of "RAC" MiG "Sergei Rybnikov. The
    landing was made at 23.12 pm 23.08.2013 (c) of JSC "RAC" MiG "
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    Re: INS Vikramaditya News and Discussion

    The AK-630 is a Soviet fully automatic naval six-barreled 30 mm Gatling gun. It is mounted in an enclosed automatic turret and directed by radar and television
    detection and tracking. The system's primary purpose is
    defense against anti-ship missiles and other precision guided weapons. However it can also be employed against fixed/rotary wing aircraft, ships and
    other small craft, coastal targets,
    and floating mines. The AK-630 was one of the first ever CIWS
    systems; when it was developed, there were no Phalanx, DARDO or
    Goalkeeper systems, however, the long development time of the AK-630 partially negated this advantage. Once made
    operational, this weapon system was rapidly adopted; up to 8 units installed in every new Soviet warship (from mine-
    hunters to aircraft carriers), with
    hundreds produced in total.
    Description
    The complete weapon system is called A-213-Vympel-A, which
    comprises the AK-630M Gun Mount, MR-123-02 Fire Control
    Radar System, and SP-521 Electrical-Optical Tracker. A single
    MP-123 radar system can simultaneously control two guns,
    either two 30 mm gun mounts, or two 57 mm gun mounts, or one 30 mm gun and one 57 mm gun. The radar system can
    engage aerial and surface targets at 4 km and 5 km respectively.
    The electro-optical system can detect MiG-21 sized aerial target 7 km away while torpedo boat
    sized surface targets can be detected at 70 km away. Features
    include surveillance and tracking modes, high jamming immunity,
    laser range finder and TV optical sight. It is in operation on almost all Russian Navy ships from fast
    attack boats to the Kirov Battlecruiser.
    The gun mount is fully
    automated,however it can be remotely controlled by an operator from either the control console or via a remotely mounted gunsight. It has a higher firing rate than both the
    Goalkeeper and Phalanx (Block 1 and older) CIWS systems.
    Combined with the fact that they are often mounted in pairs, with as many as 4 pairs mounted on the larger ships, providing Russian ships with an effective point defence system. However like all Gatling gun-based CIWS they suffer from short engagement times and the need for multiple volleys to effectively eradicate a threat.
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    Re: INS Vikramaditya News and Discussion

    NEW DELHI: After a long running saga of hard-nosed negotiations since the late-1990s, cost escalations, refit delays and mishaps, aircraft carrier INS Vikramaditya has finally completed its extensive sea trials in Russia. The 44,570-tonne warship, or the refurbished Admiral Gorshkov, is now all set to be handed over to India in mid-November.

    Defence ministry sources on Tuesday said INS Vikramaditya has "now successfully" finished its series of "sustained full-power and aviation trials" in the White and Barents Seas. "The carrier will now head back to the harbour at Severodvinsk. It will then be made ready for the commissioning on November 15. It will reach Indian shores, with an Indian crew commanded by Captain Suraj Berry, in early-2014," said a source.

    India has paid $2.33 billion for Vikramaditya's refit, instead of the original $974 million earmarked in the January 2004 contract under which the carrier was to be originally delivered by August 2008. India is also spending another $2 billion to induct 45 Russian MiG-29K naval fighters to operate from the decks of INS Vikramaditya and the under-construction INS Vikrant, which too has been delayed at the Cochin Shipyard till at least end- 2018.

    Given the huge delays in both the projects, the Navy will continue to flog its old warhorse, the 54-year-old INS Viraat, which is left with just 11 Sea Harrier jump-jets to operate from its deck, till 2018. The delays have also derailed the Navy's long-stated aim to operate two full-fledged carrier battle groups (CBGs) anytime soon, as was earlier reported by TOI.

    INS Vikramaditya was to be inducted into the Indian Navy by last December, as per the then re-revised timeframe, but serious engine and boiler malfunctions during the trials delayed the delivery by another year.

    With the Mumbai harbour not capable of handling INS Vikramaditya, the mammoth warship will be based at the newish Karwar naval base in coastal Karnataka, which has undergone its Phase-I development at a cost of Rs 2,629 crore. The government recently also approved the Phase-IIA expansion of Karwar, which gives India both strategic depth and operational flexibility, at a cost of Rs 13,000 crore.

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    Vikramaditya “significant capability-enhancer” for Indian Navy- Commodore B



    Commodore Berry, can you tell us something about the interaction between the Russian and Indian Naval crews during the trials of the INS Vikramaditya”?

    The interaction and professional understanding between the Russian and Indian Navy has been very good and has stood the test of time over decades. A sizable percentage of Indian Naval personnel have been in Russia for various projects in the past and fostered strong bonds of friendship and mutual respect. The bilateral exercise, ‘Indra’ conducted annually between the two navies reflects the good and warm relations and is a testimony of our commitment to each other.

    The 12th Crew under the command of Captain Ist Rank Igor Vaisilivich Raybko and the Indian commissioning crew have fostered close bonding during the course of trials. Whilst both the crew may not be proficient in the languages, the understanding is perfect and both crews joined hands in all evolutions onboard and have imbibed a good sense of mutual understanding.

    The joint planning/ coordination group of the crew along with the Brigade Staff are responsible for the successful conduct of trials. Similarly, the joint working group on training has done a marvellous job in creating a unique concurrent trials and training programme onboard. Onboard we undertake evolutions for trials, working side by side on the main propulsion plant, power generation/ distribution systems, radio electronic aids, handling movement of aircraft on deck, anchoring/ mooring to the buoy, tasks with boats.

    Our cooperation also extends to mutual participation in sports and cultural activities onboard. Both crews jointly celebrated the Russian Navy Day and Independence Day of India with flags of both countries flying side by side on the mast in 2012 and in 2013. This truly epitomized the jointness, mutual feeling of respect and understanding between the two crews. We are thankful for the professionalism of the Russian Navy and the support that they have rendered to us during each phase of the trials.

    How do you assess the work carried out by “Sevmash” during repair and re-equipment of the ship?

    Project 11430 is an extremely unique and possibly the only one of its kind in the world, wherein a Heavy Aircraft Carrying Cruiser has been converted into a STOBAR aircraft carrier. The magnitude, quantum and quality of work undertaken by Sevmash is simply an engineering marvel and exhibits world class technological prowess of the shipyard. Despite numerous challenges during the R&R, Sevmash along with all its subcontractors and NDB have created a truly reliable, robust and highly capable combat worthy platform.



    The fact that during sea trials part I in 2012, the ship sailed continuously for 100+ days after a 17-year long gap without any major breakdowns or incidents, is indicative of the high quality of work undertaken by Sevmash. The failure of brick work in the boilers was an unfortunate setback last year. During sea trials part II in 2013, the performance of these boilers has been excellent and as per the design parameters. This truly reflects the capability of Sevmash Shipyard. Thorough, comprehensive and painstaking work undertaken by the professional work force, both ladies and men, of the shipyard to make this ship a reality, is highly praiseworthy.

    What difficulties had to be encountered during the ship modernisation? How were they overcome?

    The scope and scale of repairs and modernisation work for this project has been enormous and would be difficult to comprehend. The initial envisaged work included modification of flight deck to include a ski-jump, arresting and restraining gear; modification of numerous systems and installation of new generation equipment /systems/ sensors. In addition, upgradation/ replacement of a number of other equipment and complete re-cabling.

    As work commenced, the scope increased significantly beyond that initially envisaged, necessitating re-negotiations that consequently led to time and cost revision. The phase between Jan–Nov 2007 was indeed challenging for both the countries. Each country not only displayed their commitment to the time-tested friendly relations, but also the willingness to resolve the situation through deliberations in the best interest acceptable to both nations. The positive approach of the Indian Side was the mainstay for continued belief in the project by both sides. Thereafter, the work once again commenced in full earnest and there was no looking back.

    During sea trials part I in 2012, ship’s boilers experienced defects that required repairs. Despite the problems, the ship completed a large part of her flight trials successfully and returned to the Shipyard. This has been the only setback in the trials phase. Post repairs the ship has now been at sea for more nearly 50 days and progressing trials satisfactorily. All in all the ship is as good as new, the hull is in excellent condition and would serve the Indian Navy well for many decades.

    Is it difficult to master the ship, taking over control over her from the seamen of Russian Navy Crew? What difficulties were encountered on this way?

    Each time the Indian Navy acquired an aircraft carrier, it was a big induction, it is no different this time except the fact that this ship is the largest one to be acquired by the Indian Navy thus far. Displacing nearly 45,000 tonnes, the ship is indeed big.

    The advanced equipment and state of the art systems present peculiarities of handling and mastering. The Indian Navy selected well-qualified personnel with adequate experience at sea and these personnel were put through an intense, well crafted and excellent training programme by the Russian Navy. The methodology of training has suitably enabled all the Indian crew to imbibe the intricacies of operating and maintaining the ship.

    The experience of participating in the sea trials and practical training onboard has provided the crew excellent opportunity to learn by observing the Russian specialists. Having been afforded the opportunity to steer the ship, anchor and manoeuvre her, I must say that the ship has excellent handling characteristics and steers much like a frigate belying its size. The power and manoeuvrability provide great flexibility in its operation.

    Backed with experience of operating aircraft carriers and other helicopter carrying platforms, the Indian crew has been able to seamlessly gain hands on experience on the equipment fitted onboard. The close association and mutual understanding with Russian crew has paved the way for a smooth transition for the Indian crew during trials and training, overcoming challenges and progressing towards independent operation of the ship.

    What place do you think Vikramaditya will take in the line of the Indian Navy ships after it is accepted into the scope of the Navy?

    In keeping with the vision and maritime doctrine of the Navy, the ship will be part of the Western Fleet to fulfil its envisaged role in the order of battle of the Indian Navy. The good endurance, high speeds of operation, excellent sea keeping and tested combat capability would enable the ship to herald a capability based transformation at sea.

    The ship would be central to the carrier task force exercising core capabilities and operational tasks in keeping with the aims of the Indian Navy. This platform would facilitate operational training for the present and future generations of our naval aviators, including the fighter pilots, to enable them for combat missions from similar or larger decks. We would be able to effectively discharge all envisaged roles to ensure secure, stable and peaceful seas and preserving our national interests in the maritime domain. The challenges and responsibilities of the Indian Navy have always been significant and our government accords special attention to induction of maritime capability that would ensure unhindered economic development and national progress. In this aspect this ship along with its integral fighters and helicopters as part of the Indian Fleet would definitely be a significant capability-enhancer.

    Commodore Berry, can you tell us something about yourself? Onboard what ships did you serve before Vikramaditya? Is the aircraft carrier an important milestone in your naval career? What feelings do you have when standing at bridge controlling such a mighty ship?

    Hailing from a services family, I joined the Indian Naval Academy and was commissioned in the Indian Navy in 1987. During the last 26 years, the Indian Navy has provided me opportunity to serve both at sea and ashore and I have been immensely fortunate to serve at sea for a large part of my service career.

    Being a Gunnery and Missile warfare specialist, my sea duty tenures have been onboard different ships, I have had the honour and privilege of being the commissioning crew of INS Delhi – a Project 15 destroyer and commanding INS Nirbhik – a Project 1241 missile vessel, Karmuk – a Project 16 guided missile corvette and Talwar – Project 1135.6 frigate.

    Whilst ashore, tenures of duty positioned me at Headquarters Western Naval Command, Operations Officer of Rubez-E – the Mobile Missile Coastal Battery, Defence Adviser at Sri Lanka and Maldives, Directorate of Staff Requirements at the Naval Headquarters and Naval Assistant to the Chief of the Naval Staff. I attended the Naval Staff Course at the US Naval War College, Rhode Island.

    I consider myself very fortunate to have been entrusted the command of this magnificent ship. While standing on the bridge and flight deck, I am conscious of this immense responsibility, trust and honour that has been bestowed upon me by the Indian Navy and my nation. The task of commissioning the ship and ensuring readiness of the crew for conduct of safe and efficient operational tasking along with flying is a challenge.

    Effective planning, thorough professional training, creation of efficient operating procedures, high safety standards, institution of sound management and good administration principles along with the time honoured traditions, customs and discipline would effectively pave the way for the success of my team. The large number of officers and personnel of my crew are some of the finest professionals of our Navy and I am indeed very fortunate to be part of this team and their shipmate.

    Can you compare the Vikramaditya aircraft carrier with the INS Viraat? In what fields are there significant differences between them?

    Viraat in its previous avatar as Hermes was commissioned in the Royal Navy in 1959 and later transferred to the Indian Navy in 1987. Viraat, has flown the flag of the Indian Navy with distinction for the past 26 years and has been central to the concept of carrier operations in the Indian Navy. The contribution of Viraat to our navy is unparalleled. The displacement and overall dimensions of Vikramaditya are much more than Viraat. The larger size translates into enhanced capability due to the increased number of aircraft that can operate from onboard. Moreover, the two carriers belong to different categories, Viraat is a STOVL (Short Takeoff and Vertical Landing) carrier whilst Vikramaditya a STOBAR (Short Takeoff but Arrested Recovery). The two ships have been built around different ‘concepts’ and it would be inappropriate to compare the two, especially since both the ships have served their countries of origin with distinction in their previous forms. Viraat has established a legacy in the Indian Navy and I am sure Vikramaditya will be no different.

    It is known that India is building her own development aircraft carriers (IAC, Project 71). How can the experience of construction, acceptance, setting into operation and initial operation of INS Vikramaditya affect the progress of the Indian aircraft carrier program?

    The Indian Navy has maintained a continuous presence in the form of a Warship Overseeing Team at Severodvinsk since the inception of Project 11430. A large number of IN personnel have been since associated with the project. Having been associated with the various facets of refitting, reequipping, modernisation, trials and acceptance, the Indian Navy has accumulated considerable experience which is also providing valuable inputs for our development of the IAC Project. The cooperation received from our Russian friends at Sevmash, NDB, various OEMs has been significant and has added to our expertise in building such a complex ship. The conclusion of trials and operationalisation of Vikramaditya will be an enriching experience for the Indian Navy which will stand us well for our indigenous programme in the years to come.

    What are the main tasks facing you as the Commanding Officer of the ship for the nearest, mid-term and farther perspective?

    Since early 2012, numerous activities are being progressed concurrently and now with just days left for commissioning the focus is well defined. The crew had planned and organised the tasks over the entire period into various phases. The phase we are presently in is the Trials and Onboard Practical Training Phase. The two immediate and immensely important tasks for the Indian crew are, firstly to successfully complete the ship/flight trials and secondly progress Onboard Practical Training to suitably enable the ship’s crew to seamlessly takeover all the systems and control of the ship to operate and maintain the independently.

    The next is the Pre-Commissioning and Commissioning Phase whilst the preparations for the maiden passage would progress concurrently. Plans for these activities are already in progress. The mid and long term phase is the Aircraft Operationalisation and Integration Phase. In this phase the various aircraft and helicopters that are envisaged to operate from onboard would be integrated with the ship in India. This would also include the Deck Landing Qualification of MiG pilots. The last phase is the Induction into the Fleet. This is the culmination of years of work and the vision of our navy

    wherein the actual combat exploitation of the ship would be realized. As you can see, the immediate period and the future have very interesting and challenging times in store. I am sure that with the highly motivated and professional crew, and support of my naval headquarters and home command, the ship would meet all its assigned tasks and goals.


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    Russia Passes Refitted Aircraft Carrier to India After 5-Year Delay
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    Russia handed over to India its aircraft carrier renamed INS Vikramaditya on Saturday after a much-delayed refit and cost escalations that led to disagreements between Moscow and New Delhi.

    The Indian Navy finally received its modified carrier – formerly known in Russian as Admiral Gorshkov ? at the Sevmash shipyard in the northern town of Severodvinsk.

    The ship was first scheduled to be delivered in 2008, but the deadline was repeatedly postponed over the period.

    The official ceremony was attended Saturday by Russian Deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin and Indian Defense Minister AK Antony, who arrived in Russia on Friday for a four-day visit.

    The commissioning papers were signed by deputy director of Russia’s arms exporter Rosoboronexport Igor Sevastyanov and the ship’s Indian captain Suraj Berry.

    The Vikramaditya will be escorted to India by a group of warships to secure its safe sail to its base in base in the Arabian Sea through a classified route because it does not have any air defense systems on board, according to Indian website Zee News.

    The warship is expected to reach India by February 2014, Russian officials said earlier.

    Renamed after a legendary Indian king, the warship was originally as a Project 1143.4 or modified Kiev class aircraft carrier commissioned by the Soviet Navy in 1987. It was decommissioned in 1996 after cuts to the Russian Navy fleet.

    The refurbishments of the vessel lurched from one crisis to another since the $947 million deal was signed with Russia in 2004 for its purchase and refit.

    The delays pushed up the cost of its refurbishing to $2.3 billion, sparking acrimony between Russia and India over the contract.

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    Re: MiGs touch down on the Vikramaditya’s deck

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha1 View Post
    What about a kilo-ton NEMP ?
    It can dissable the CBG i am sure!
    *another Q!
    What If the CM400 akg hits the super structure i.e. The command center, will it render it disabled?
    well bro look at it this wayin case of indo pak warin future CBG will be last thing you have to worry cause pakistan is next door to india

    to gain a naval blockade of your karachi and gadawar ports owr air basses near indo pak border in baroda , jaiselmare , pune , bhuj among others can devastate any thing cause all of them have 1 sqd of MKI, M 21 bison, jags backed by all mighty bharmos super sonick cruise missile which has a disclosed range of 290 Km while all its prime targets fall under 150 Kms now do the maths

    as for a CBG well it will not be alone it will habe
    2 Destriyers
    2 Frigates
    2 cruisers
    1 fleet tanker
    1 supply ship
    2 subs

    and dont forget each indian surface ship will have two multi purpose helicopter + 8-12 brhamos + barak 1 & barak 8 + CIWSs & a multi layered and multi band PESA & ASEA radars which have a track and scan range of 400+ Kms each

    and not to forget the ACC with 6-8 M29Ks (850Km fighting radius on internal feul) doing the active air defence duty while other 18 will be kept for bombing missions & not to forget 4 K 31 helix (AWAC) and other defensive & offensive stuff

    so to fire a CM-400 or AKG 802 sucsess fully at ACC you need to send at least 1 squad of F16/JF17 backed by AWAC cover tell me can your PN or PAF can spare them cause they will also need a lot of extra feul (as CBG will be stationed at least 500Km off the pakistani coast) + for pakistani subs we already have 12 P8is


    Also please dont forget that at least 100 MKIs, 69 M 29 SMTs, 60 M2Ks backed by 150 Jags & 150 bisons backed again by 5 phalcon AWACS (which flying 50 KIms inside indian border can track /scan a F16 flying over hindukush)& equal number of indian made AWACs will be attacking you which again will be backed by multi layered ground based Radars & SAM batteries

    so my point is pakistan does not need to worry about indian ACC/CBGs as they are not for pakistan

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    Re: MiGs touch down on the Vikramaditya’s deck

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha1 View Post
    There are currently no measures to counter a kiloton and above NEMP !
    so when you dont have any credible answer you gloat about EMP or NEMP well brother tell me are you saying you will use neuclear option against a CBG

    lolzzz then have you thought of how will india react to it + more so when to have an EMP or so called NEMP charge against indian CGB you still need to come at least 180-250KM near it and when it will be stationed at least 500 + Kms from your nearest cost and to do that you will need any of your fighter jet to carry at least 2- 3 1500 liters feul tank ( 1000 Kgs X 2 )by which its wepons carrying capacity will will be compromised

    and they will be a good target practice for owr migs as they have a fighting radius of 850 Km on internal feul
    will be bcaked by heli borne AWACs (K 31 helix)but since your F 16s or JF 17s will be fighting at least 300 Km from there nearest coastline they have to come owt withowt your AWACs cover+ not to forget 16 IAF bases will be already pounding entire pakistani essets with there MKIs, M2Ks , M 29s & jags backed again by Phalcon AWACS and ground based indian Green pine and sword fish & many other french, russian israeli and indian Radars

    just tell me where will you bring the numbers to post an offensive againt IN and its assets when niether your PAF has numbers not the latest cutting edge tech support as it use to have in past from USA .... please do answer me bro
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    Re: MiGs touch down on the Vikramaditya’s deck

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    lolzzz then have you thought of how will india react to
    Certainly india will not resort to massive retaliation and put billion plus people at risk

    it + more so when to have an EMP or so called NEMP charge against indian CGB you still need to come at least 180-250KM near it
    not realy... A nuclear explosion at 20-30km altitude of a rather trivial yeild will cause an EMP burst disabling the entire india fleet..
    The warhead can be delivered by any MRBM
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    Re: INS Vikramaditya News and Discussion

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha1 View Post
    Certainly india will not resort to massive retaliation and put billion plus people at risk

    not realy... A nuclear explosion at 20-30km altitude of a rather trivial yeild will cause an EMP burst disabling the entire india fleet..
    The warhead can be delivered by any MRBM
    wrong brother india will retaliate with neuklear option if ever pakistan attacks indian assets with neuklear option

    as for risking well bhai look at it this way india has a very potent multi layered & multi band ASEA/Pesa radar coverage of entire pakistani air space backed by a massive fleet gournd sensing & spy satellites + we get reglar inputs from russians, US , french and israeli SAT cover

    and dont forget we are in process of building a massive shield by projects like PAD , AAD among other like Spyder,akaash, S 300&400 , barak SR, MR & LR so we will very shortli be in capacity to blunt your bellisstick and cruise missile attacks but how will you stop indian attack .... think about it

    + dont forget all india navies battle ships are not defense less almost all (CBG here )carry 8-12 bhramos & a multi band and multi layered ASEA/PESA based Radars and a very potent SA & CIWS innoventorry and please dont forget that if ever there is war the first thing that will strike you will be super sonick cruise missile Bhramos (which has a discloded range of 290Kms)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Guru Dutt View Post
    wrong brother india will retaliate with neuklear option if ever pakistan attacks indian assets with neuklear option
    Incase of the NEMP attack I mentioned above none of the sailors will be killed but all the circuitory and electronic Onboard indian ships will fry. And the attack will seem like any normal EMP attack but with a much larger magnitude, With no other charactristics of a nuclear attack
    In this case it is absurd to claim That India will still respond with a massive retalliation risking Billion plus lives just because it's Naval compliment which was involved in an offence was disabled

    as for risking well bhai look at it this way india has a very potent multi layered & multi band ASEA/Pesa radar coverage of entire pakistani air space backed by a massive fleet gournd sensing & spy satellites + we get reglar inputs from russians, US , french and israeli SAT cover

    and dont forget we are in process of building a massive shield by projects like PAD , AAD among other like Spyder,akaash, S 300&400 , barak SR, MR & LR so we will very shortli be in capacity to blunt your bellisstick and cruise missile attacks but how will you stop indian attack .... think about it
    All of this is irrelevant ..currently we were discussing NEMP attack on indian naval fleet
    Anyways The Indian BMD which is yet to be deployed is far from effective
    FYI All of the “successful” missile defense tests to date are done under the most carefully controlled conditions imaginable. During a test, the interceptor operators knew where the missile was being launched from and when it was being launched. They even had a good idea of the missile’s size and shape. Basically, they had the sort of information that they would never ever have in combat conditions.. The BMD will be overwhelmed by the sheer number of warheads,, BMD is costly while the countermeasures against it are far more easily developed MARVs, MIRVs. Chaff.
    lets not discuss it in detail here


    + dont forget all india navies battle ships are not defense less almost all (CBG here )carry 8-12 bhramos & a multi band and multi layered ASEA/PESA based Radars and a very potent SA & CIWS innoventorry and please dont forget that if ever there is war the first thing that will strike you will be super sonick cruise missile Bhramos (which has a discloded range of 290Kms)
    Any CIWS is inneffective against a Ballistic missile attack.. which we were discussing..
    after the attack all the electronics will be fried.. all of the indian naval fleet will be floating metal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha1 View Post
    Incase of the NEMP attack I mentioned above none of the sailors will be killed but all the circuitory and electronic Onboard indian ships will fry. And the attack will seem like any normal EMP attack but with a much larger magnitude, With no other charactristics of a nuclear attack
    In this case it is absurd to claim That India will still respond with a massive retalliation risking Billion plus lives just because it's Naval compliment which was involved in an offence was disabled



    All of this is irrelevant ..currently we were discussing NEMP attack on indian naval fleet
    Anyways The Indian BMD which is yet to be deployed is far from effective
    FYI All of the “successful” missile defense tests to date are done under the most carefully controlled conditions imaginable. During a test, the interceptor operators knew where the missile was being launched from and when it was being launched. They even had a good idea of the missile’s size and shape. Basically, they had the sort of information that they would never ever have in combat conditions.. The BMD will be overwhelmed by the sheer number of warheads,, BMD is costly while the countermeasures against it are far more easily developed MARVs, MIRVs. Chaff.
    lets not discuss it in detail here


    Any CIWS is inneffective against a Ballistic missile attack.. which we were discussing..
    after the attack all the electronics will be fried.. all of the indian naval fleet will be floating metal
    well brother to start with almost all the indian Naval ships (surface comabtants) specially in case of CBGs have a very extensive coverage of fiber opticks( so ample protection against EMP) instead of conventional wiring + do you realli thing indian ships dont have counter measures guess what MOD and navy already has a roboust shield for the same as off now

    now about BMD well i said its in process and we know the number game here well better than what pakistan can ever dish owt so no worries about that too as you are not the onli ones with MARVs, MIRVs or chaffs or other decoys dont forget that + in case of war india will not onli be defensive but use all its offensive wepons against the agressor aswell and that means missiles,air attacks and all that blah blah tell me how will you counter it then

    as for CIWS well they are the last resort if ever any of your devine ASMs or super dupar MRBMs come any where close ause first to get within range theyhave to first cross the obstackels i had mentioned earlier and about frying up of electronicks well ever since the last days of cold war era EMP was considered the biggest threat and russians have almost mastered the art of countermeasures against EMP attacks by western forces and in deu course of time that tech has reached India much before you have any idea of so no worries here too we unlike you india selcet the best possible offensive and defnsive wepons as money is never an issue with us + french, russians, israelies and now even americans are selling there latest cutting edge milltarry tech to us ever since after the kargil war

    so my dear friend the thread is about Vikrmaditya and as i said before it will the last thing you have to worry about as all its life it will (my guess is) never be used for naval blokade of pakistan as there are some 6 indian air force bases and equal ammount of small and big naval ports along thewestern cost to do that job + you are next door to us so think of it thru that way

    Peace brother

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