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    I think we need this thread to discuss Turkey's strategic affairs, foreign policies, etc.. We have other threads related to Turkey but discussing in those threads derails the original topic.

    I have seen some members very critical about Turkey and i want to debate with them.

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    So guys be critic and post/ask to your heart's content.
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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    I think it is an excellent idea sinan!
    It should be sticky!
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    Washington Watch: Is Erdogan the new Ahmadinejad?

    When Mahmoud Ahmadinejad leaves the Iranian presidency in just over two weeks, the man most likely to succeed him as the most outspoken anti- Semitic world leader is Turkey’s volatile prime minister, Recep Tayyip Erdogan. There may be competition for the title, but so far he’s the frontrunner.

    Ahmadinejad’s Holocaust denial, threats to wipe Israel off the map and other bombast have made him a pariah in the civilized world, and Erdogan’s brand of bigotry is costing him some of the glory he covets. He had wanted to be the leader of the Arab/Muslim world in the Middle East, replacing the moribund Egyptians as the one who would broker peace between Israel and the Palestinians, but he has managed to alienate both sides.

    When his neo-Ottoman dream of building a great mosque and shopping mall in Istanbul’s popular Gezi Park in Taksim Square triggered weeks of massive anti-government demonstrations, disorders he blamed on an all-too-familiar scapegoat: the Jews. When, on Erdogan’s orders, the police launched a brutal assault to drive out the demonstrators, he only ignited even greater demonstrations around the country.

    It is too early to tell how much political damage the demonstrations and his response did to Erdogan and his Justice and Development Party (AKP), but the brutal crackdown may already have dashed his ambition to create a presidential system for Turkey and for himself when his third term ends in 2014. Turkey’s long-delayed bid for EU membership was further damaged by the Taksim crackdown.

    So who was to blame for these setbacks? The Jews, of course.

    The Turkish demonstrators were protesting Erdogan’s increasingly autocratic and authoritarian rule and his efforts to impose his Islamist viewpoint. The public outrage was planted, cultivated and grown at home, and the government’s brutal response – a reminder of Bashar Assad’s response to peaceful demonstrations in Syria two years ago – only exacerbated the problem.

    Erdogan is paranoid, thin-skinned and convinced of his own infallibility, and “polarizing, self-aggrandizing...

    confrontational, vindictive and repressive,” according to Gareth Jenkins, a Turkish-based analyst with the Central Asia-Caucasus Institute.

    He does not tolerate criticism and is loathe to admit mistakes, which makes reconciliation with Israel particularly difficult despite getting the apology he demanded for the Mavi Marmara flotilla incident. But that’s only part of the problem; more troubling is his deep-seated hostility toward Jews and Israel. He makes no distinction between Jews and Israel, and has called Zionism a crime against humanity.

    On June 16, hours before Erdogan was to address his party’s rally in Istanbul after the police crackdown in Gezi Park, a pro-AKP newspaper claimed it had evidence the protests were part of an anti-Erdogan plot orchestrated by the “Jewish lobby” in the US, specifically the American Israel Public Affairs Committee (AIPAC), the American Enterprise Institute, a conservative think tank in Washington, and assorted and mostly Jewish former Bush 43 administration neocons.

    Several AKP leaders endorsed the accusations and claimed the Erdogan government had concrete proof of the conspiracy by the Jewish cabal to transform Taksim into Tahrir Square.

    One was Deputy Prime Minister Besir Atalayl, who fingered the “Jewish Diaspora” and was quoted in the pro-Erdogan Hurriyet Daily News saying: “There are some circles that are jealous of Turkey’s growth. They are all uniting, on one side the Jewish Diaspora. You saw the foreign media’s attitude during the Gezi Park incidents; they bought it and started broadcasting immediately, without doing an evaluation.”

    He later claimed he was misquoted, but a recording of his remarks is reportedly on the Internet.

    Another AKP official, Melih Gokcek, mayor of Ankara, posted a note on Twitter saying the protests were “a game of the Jewish lobby” to undermine the Turkish government.

    What did Erdogan do to stop the anti-Semitic attacks? Nothing. He failed to distance himself from these accusations and, in fact, ordered an investigation into the foreign financiers and “interest lobby” – said to be his euphemism for Jewish bankers – behind the “dark forces” he says have been out to get him since long before the Taksim demonstrations because they’re jealous of Turkey’s “rise to greatness” under his leadership. He suggested Israel must be “delighted” with the protests because they served its interests.

    A former Israeli ambassador to Turkey, Gaby Levy, has said, “He’s a fundamentalist. He hates us religiously and his hatred is spreading.”

    An Israeli foreign ministry report said since Erdogan took power he “has conducted an ongoing process of... fashioning a negative view of Israel in Turkish public opinion,” including repeatedly accusing Israel of war crimes and even “anti-Semitic expressions and incitement.”

    In Erdogan’s Turkey “Jews are targeted as individuals, a community, people and race, and as a sinister political entity seeking Jewish dominance of world affairs, business and media,” reports MEMRI, the media monitoring organization.

    Erdogan, who has championed the cause of Hamas, the terrorist organization dedicated to destroying the Jewish state, has accused Israel of killing “hundreds of thousands of Palestinians” and said “the image of the Jews is no different from that of the Nazis.” Israel’s “murder of innocent children” goes unreported because “the world media is under the control of Israel.”

    The growing anti-Semitism under Erdogan’s rule has been unnerving for Turkey’s Jewish community, which expressed worry about “the consequences” of talk about a Jewish conspiracy being behind the demonstrations.

    The Turkish media carry articles questioning the loyalty of Turkish Jews, according to Israel’s foreign ministry, and Erdogan “grants legitimacy” or “turns a blind eye” to television programs of an “inflammatory, anti-Semitic nature.”

    American Jewish organizations have voiced concern for the safety of Turkish Jews. The ADL’s Abe Foxman said the anti-Semitic attacks are “all the more outrageous and harmful” coming from top government officials.

    US President Barack Obama has called Erdogan one of the five world leaders with whom he has “friendship and bonds of trust.” It’s time to reevaluate.

    Turkey’s continued belligerence toward Israel and Jews is a slap at Obama, who brokered the Israeli apology for the Mavi Marmara incident that Erdogan demanded – and when he failed to deliver on his end, Obama was silent.

    Obama needs to stop treating the thin-skinned bigot like an important ally and recognize him for the racist hate-monger that he is and let him know that such behavior is unacceptable.

    Obama doesn’t need to act because he needs the Jewish vote – he’s already got it. This has nothing to do with the Jews; it’s about bigotry, human rights, decency and American leadership.

    Paranoid autocrats and religious zealots make unreliable and dangerous allies.
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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    wait a few hours , people arte getting ready to open their fast and the only thing thney can think now is food ... lol
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    @<i><b><u><a href="http://www.pakistanaffairs.pk/member.php?u=118" target="_blank">Mirza44</a></u></b></i>

    I would say this article is biased against Erdogan.

    The relationship with Israel hit all time low, when they decided to kill our 9 citizens in the International Waters. They accused Turkey for the incident and refused to apologize for 3 years.

    Another subject here is; They act like "We apologized but Erdogan still keeps his stance"
    After the incident, Erdogan's speech was very clear.

    He set 3 conditions for the normalization of the relationship:

    1) A formal apology. (Accomplished)
    2) Compansation for the families of the victims. (negotiations going on)
    3) Lifting of the blockade for Gaza. (Nothing done yet)

    First, they should satisfy Turkish demands than they can talk. Until than we can see these kinds of news in the Jewish media.

    Let's remember Turkey's policy with Israel.

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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    Excellent idea. I vote for this to be a sticky thread too
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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    Due to requests by you guys this thread has now become sticky....................
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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    LoL [MENTION=3907]Sinan[/MENTION] already lobbying

    When you grow up you will become a great man.

    P.s.

    İn case you find it in any way offencive.

    İt's a joke. With all best wishes from my heart.
    Not a gram of bas intention in it.

    Looooveeee youuuuuuuuu
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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    Great idea. Will be good to have the views of Turkey members. Most welcome
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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    Quote Originally Posted by Alpha1 View Post
    I think it is an excellent idea sinan!
    It should be sticky!
    You are already sticky enough ...if not ask your mom ...lol
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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    Turkish you are welcome to express and your views, I don't general criticize on Turkey and its people but just issue is all about NATO I have problem with Turkey. Pakistan is opposite on the other way on way to SCO/East and its brother Turkey's NATO/West.

    Viva Le Türkiye!
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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    Turkey for a long time trying to enter in EU but don't they think they should come with Asian unity as majority of turkish people are from Asian side!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mirza44 View Post
    Turkey for a long time trying to enter in EU but don't they think they should come with Asian unity as majority of turkish people are from Asian side!
    This issue of entering EU is complicated IMO.

    First let's look at the international Relationships of Turkey.

    - Being a NATO member, Turkey is the closest ally of America besides Israel in Middleast.
    - Being a candidate for EU and by the massive bilateral trade. We have good relations with EU.
    - Turkey imports i%40 of its natural gas from Russia. Recently they won the contract for the Nuclear Power Plant which is worth of $20 Billion. And Turkey being one of their major trade partners. We have good relations with Russia
    - After the new foreign policy and Erdogan being the most popular leader among arab states. We have good relations with Arabs
    - China also participates in our defence and civilian projects and we have good relations with them too.

    We are keeping a well balance and I don't think any of the muslim country has this variety of good relations. I think, turning away from Europe will surely disturb this balance and will not be in the interest of Turkey.
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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    Turkey runs a budget surplus of 3.1 bln liras
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    Finance Minister Mehmet Simsek has announced yesterday that Turkey ran a budget surplus of TL 3.1 billion in the first half of this year. Progress in incomes and decrease in interest rate costs contributed to this budget performance. Simsek said it should be perceived as a success for the country that had been battling with the recession in Europe, which is its largest export market. Speaking at a press conference organized on the budget realization for the January-June period, Simsek told reporters in Ankara that Turkey's budget revenues surged by 10.7 percent between January and June over a year ago, while tax revenues enjoyed a 20.7 percent increase in this period. The country's primary surplus reached TL 26.4 billion in the first half. He said the first figures showed that they would easily reach the government's year-end budget target totaling TL 34 billion. "The government is in full control of economic developments in Turkey and it has taken all the necessary steps to mitigate structural weaknesses," Simsek said.

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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    How are the Turkey people when it comes to the subject Israel?

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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    How are the Turkey people when it comes to the subject Israel?
    Well, the higher level government relations with Israel is still severe and sort of damage due to current Erdogan government, however Turkey demanded $1 million compension for the Gaza flotilla incident, Israel offered for 24 million which was rejected and recently 50 millions was not finalized. Both countries are still working on draft agreement on criteria that determines eligibility for compensation. Apology was accepted but require Gaza route by Turkish Navy must allow which is not agree by Israeli side.

    For Israeli-Turkish people relations, no doubt they are deep strong relations and normal natural than anyone including Pakistan.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    How are the Turkey people when it comes to the subject Israel?
    From what i seen at the comments and likes/dislikes of the Turkish mainstream media's websites.

    1-) Turkish people seems to not like Israel for 2 reasons. First; The sufffering Muslims in Gaza, Palastine. Secondly, the Mavi Marmara incident where they killed our 9 citizens.

    2-) Another interesting point is; Turkish people seems to have a respect for Israel. You know how Israel reacts when they feel their countries security is threatened. Turkish people admire this and ask our government to do the same.

    3-) There is also a minority who thinks, "Israel was our best ally in Middleast. Realations deteriorated because of Erdogan's false policies and we should re-establish the relations in no time."

    As for me, I used have sympaty for Israel. I thought, Israel was just a small county who tries to survive in a hostile environment. But than they killed our citizens and I was like;
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    After what Israel did to the flotilla incident I am now most reserved and black ball anything to do with Israel. Killing innocent in public view of the world shows us their mentality. I cant see the Turkey everyday people forgetting this
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    Re: Turkey Affairs

    UEFA bans Turkish clubs Fenerbahce and Besiktas

    Turkish football clubs Fenerbahce and Besiktas have been banned from European competition next season over a domestic match-fixing scandal. There was also a deferred sanction against Romania’s Steaua Bucharest.

    UEFA's Control and Disciplinary Body (CDB) on Tuesday ruled that Fenerbahce would be barred from the next three European competitions for which they qualify, including the 2013/2014 Champions League.

    The ban for the third season, however, would be deferred for a probationary period of five years, said the CDB.

    The fixing of results involved several soccer matches in the 2010/11 league season.

    Among them was match in which the Istanbul side clinched the league title on the last day of the campaign - a 4-3 win over Sivasspor. The game was one of about a dozen investigated by the Turkish Football Federation (TFF).

    Besiktas face a lighter sanction, the punishment arising from charges of match fixing relating to the 2011/2012 Turkish Cup final. Besiktas won that game on penalties against city rivals Istanbul Buyuksehir Belediyespor.

    The CDB ruled that Besiktas - who finished third in the Turkish top flight this season - should be banned from next season's Europa League alone. The club would have been due to contest play-offs during the summer for the competition's group stage.

    Individuals to be investigated

    Both clubs have said they plan to appeal the decision. UEFA's disciplinary panel said it was also considering allegations against particular individuals.

    "In relation to the individuals of the clubs involved in the cases of Fenerbahce and Besiktas, the CDB decided that certain additional information will be collected in order to consider in further detail the different position of each of the individuals concerned," said a statement.

    Fenerbahce president Aziz Yildirim was among 93 executives, football officials and players convicted by a Turkish court in the match-rigging scandal. Yildirim was sentenced to six years in prison, but freed after launching an appeal, which is still proceeding.

    Fenerbahce were withdrawn from the Champions League the year after the allegations surfaced but were allowed to take part in last year's competition.

    Eight Turkish clubs and 14 players were named in an initial indictment. The TFF's disciplinary committee last May imposed bans of between one and three years on 10 players and officials. However it did not take any action against clubs.

    In a third case, the CDB banned Steaua Bucharest - the 1986 European Cup winner - from the next UEFA competition it qualified for. However, the sanction was deferred for a probationary period of five years. Club president Gigi Becali was convicted last month of attempting to bribe a team to influence a result against Steaua's title rivals in 2008.

    http://www.dw.de/uefa-bans-turkish-c...tas/a-16908146

    Dont know if any of you guys follow football but disappointed as im a great follower of Turkish football. The Turkish league was certainly on the way upwards and Galatasaray did really well in the champions league. Strange that blatant match fixing in Italy hasn't resulted in any action on them. Why is it different for Turkey

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    [MENTION=5]Superkaif[/MENTION]

    İn the case of İtaly.

    The İtalian football federation, took the duty of punishing their clubs on them selves.

    Turkish football federation didn't do this. They thought as long as they don't give a punishment nothing would happen.
    They didn't amticipate that UEFA would fulfill this duty if TFF would neglect their duty.

    İ as a galatasaray supporter am happy that justice has prevailed. İ'm only ashamed that this justice had to be done by a foreign institute.
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