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    Re: Edward Snowden gaining support !

    Quote Originally Posted by Pak92 View Post
    Well done for bringing it to our attention
    He deserve everyone's support since he did so much for freedom of expression, freedom of speech and freedom of information.

    The whole American population will support him !!! And so will the world !!!
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    Re: Edward Snowden gaining support !

    I am for it too. Anyone that exposes American shenanigans must be commended
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    Re: Edward Snowden gaining support !

    Shame on you AmeriKKKa !!!

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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    Destination is Russia
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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

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    Destination is Russia
    Yup better than going to Iceland since Iceland might betray Snowden.

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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    Quote Originally Posted by sparkling View Post
    Destination is Russia
    Yaaaap. Heard it this morning. Russian has door open.

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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

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    Yaaaap. Heard it this morning. Russian has door open.
    Yup Russia has open door for getting the US spy network secret. :-)

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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    I don't think there are any secrets anymore!
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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    Could whistleblower Snowden fly out of Hong Kong?
    http://www.scmp.com/news/hong-kong/a...-out-hong-kong

    The US whistle-blower Edward Snowden would have a hard time flying out of Hong Kong to countries where he could evade the long arm of the US justice system.

    The American Department of Justice has already said it has started a criminal investigation into Snowden's leaking of secret information earlier this week, which could mean a warrant for his arrest could be issued in the coming days.

    Hong Kong, where he was last reported to be hiding, has an extradition treaty with the US, which barring an application for asylum, obliges the city to surrender him to American prosecutors.

    Snowden has so far indicated his wish to seek asylum in Iceland, a country with a population of about 300,000, where he could only fly to by transferring in third countries - enabling his arrest in transit.

    Hong Kong offers direct commercial flights to around 130 destinations, and Iceland is not one of them.

    There are also no direct flights from Hong Kong to Ecuador, the country which has offered political asylum to Julian Assange, the founder of Wikileaks.

    Assange has been holed up in the Ecuadorian embassy in London for almost a year to avoid extradition to Sweden on sex charges.

    Snowden should seek refuge in Latin America, the Wikileaks founder suggested to him in an interview with CNN on Tuesday.

    The 29-year-old could rent a private jet from Hong Kong to Ecuador, if he has enough savings or outside support.

    The cost of such a flight would range between HK$1.5 million to HK$3 million, two people working in the private aviation industry have told the South China Morning Post.

    Snowden's annual salary amounted to HK$932,000 according to a statement by his last employer, defence contractor Booz Allen Hamilton.

    Cheaper private flights that stopped in Anchorage, Alaska, would take between 16.5 and 17 hours.

    Flights circumventing US airspace could take up to 22 hours and require two separate crews, according to sources speaking on condition of anonymity, wary of harming their reputation.

    A person familiar with the industry said that companies providing business jets for hire would be wary of transporting a person wanted by the US for fear of harming their interests in the country.

    If Snowden opted for a commercial flight, he could chose between destinations in 10 countries that don't have an extradition treaty with the United States - including Kazakhstan and Russia.

    The office of Russia's President Vladimir Putin has said on Tuesday that the country would be willing to consider a request for political asylum.

    Aeroflot, Russia's largest airline, charges around HK$9,060 for a one-way economy class flight to Moscow.
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    Snowden alleges U.S. hacking against China, Hong Kong

    http://www.latimes.com/news/world/wo...0,865752.story



    BEIJING -- Edward Snowden told Hong Kong media that the United States is involved in extensive hacking operations directed against China and Hong Kong.

    In an interview with the South China Morning Post published on the newspaper’s website early Thursday, Snowden said he wanted to demonstrate “the hypocrisy of the U.S. government when it claims that it does not target civilian infrastructure, unlike its adversaries.’’

    The accusations throw a new wrench into the Obama administration’s campaign against extensive hacking operations by the Chinese military. From the U.S. perspective, cyber security was near the top of the agenda during last weekend’s summit in California between President Obama and Chinese President Xi Jinping, but there was no progress on the issue.

    Snowden, 29, a former contract employee for the National Security Agency, told the Hong Kong newspaper that he believed the agency ran 61,000 hacking operations, with “hundreds of targets” in China and Hong Kong. The operations, he said, had been in place since 2009 and targeted the Chinese University of Hong Kong, public officials, businesses and students.

    “We hack network backbones -- like huge Internet routers, basically -- that give us access to the communications of hundreds of thousands of computers without having to hack every single one,” he said.

    The interview was the first public word from Snowden since midday Monday, when he checked out of the Hong Kong hotel where he had been staying.

    On Sunday, Snowden had revealed himself as the primary source of unauthorized disclosures of highly classified U.S. telephone and Internet surveillance systems, calling America's spying capabilities "horrifying."

    He is now believed to be staying in a private home.

    Snowden told the newspaper that he intended to fight extradition and remain in Hong Kong as long as possible.

    "I have had many opportunities to flee Hong Kong, but I would rather stay and fight the United States government in the courts, because I have faith in Hong Kong’s rule of law," he said. "My intention is to ask the courts and people of Hong Kong to decide my fate. I have been given no reason to doubt your system."

    Snowden’s strategy in Hong Kong appears to be a high-risk geopolitical play in a most unique place, where the British common law overlaps with the dictate of the Chinese Communist Party.

    The former British colony is a special administrative zone that, unlike mainland China, has an extradition treaty with the United States. But Beijing gets final say in cases where "surrender of a fugitive would harm defense, foreign affairs or essential public interest or policy."

    Despite the rivalry between the United States and China, and the mutual recriminations over hacking and cyber espionage, few experts expect that Beijing will intervene on Snowden's behalf. Unlike the situation with the Soviet Union during the Cold War, few Americans have ever tried to defect to China.

    "The Chinese leader is pretty new and has just had an amicable round of chats with President Obama," said Martin Lee, one of Hong Kong’s most respected democracy advocates and a senior lawyer.

    However, Lee acknowledged that Snowden could keep the case tangled up in the courts for years if he pressed his appeals. Snowden's advocates are expected to argue that extradition to the United States could subject him to cruel and unusual punishment, citing the treatment of Bradley Manning, the 24-year-old Army private accused of giving documents to WikiLeaks.

    Snowden might be counting on Hong Kong’s activists -- who zealously treasure their rights to hold commemorative marches over the Tiananmen Square massacre and to protest against China -- to rally in his defense. Their involvement could make it a political headache for Beijing to kick him out.

    Beijing faces powerful opposition from Hong Kong activists who allege the Chinese Communist Party is encroaching on the freedoms it promised.

    Eleven activist groups are planning a rally Saturday in support of Snowden, with a number of prominent pro-democracy figures to speak.

    In a preview of what is to come, rally organizers on Wednesday suggested slogans for posters, such as "Defend Free Speech, Protect Snowden"; "No Extradition"; "Respect Hong Kong Law"; "Shame on NSA"; "Stop Internet Surveillance"; and "Betray Snowden = Betray Freedom."

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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    Hong Kong Will Decide My Fate, Edward Snowden Tells South China Morning Post
    http://newsfeed.time.com/2013/06/12/...-morning-post/


    Hong Kong activists plan rally in support of Edward Snowden
    http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2013...edward-snowden

    Eleven organisations plan to stage march to oppose extradition to the US of former CIA employee behind NSA spying claims

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    Re: Snowden alleges U.S. hacking against China, Hong Kong

    Wow this latest revelation exposes American regime for what they really are
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    Re: Snowden alleges U.S. hacking against China, Hong Kong

    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    Wow this latest revelation exposes American regime for what they really are
    But you only hear this one way News "China Hacking USA" News from Western Media and never hear "USA Hacking China" News.

    White is right and Colored are wrong !

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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    The more noise the USA make, the more opposition there will be
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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    USA dented her image world wide !

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    Re: Snowden alleges U.S. hacking against China, Hong Kong

    USA hacking is typical of their double standards.
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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    Quote Originally Posted by Hafiz View Post
    USA dented her image world wide !
    Image was already dented. This Snowden affair just reconfirms it
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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    US may attempt to kill NSA leak source in terror drone attack: Ex-lawmaker
    http://www.presstv.ir/detail/2013/06....mIzX7Bs5.dpuf



    A former US lawmaker has expressed concerns that the Obama administration might resort to assassinating NSA whistleblower Edward Snowden with a cruise or a “drone missile.”


    Speaking at a televised news show with Fox network on Tuesday, former Texas Republican Congressman and 2012 US presidential candidate Ron Paul said, “I’m worried about somebody in our government might kill him with a cruise missile or a drone missile,” RT reported Wednesday.

    Paul has been an outspoken critic of the entire US establishment and the Obama administration’s targeted killing program.

    “It’s a shame that we are in an age where people who tell the truth about what the government is doing gets into trouble,” said Paul, who retired from the US House of Representatives in January after representing his Texas congressional district for 36 years.


    “I mean, we live in a bad time where American citizens don't even have rights and that they can be killed,” he added. “But the gentleman [Snowden] is trying to tell the truth about what's going on."

    According to the report, Paul also stated in another interview earlier this week with conservative Washington Times daily that the US government “operates largely in secret, while seeking to know everything about our private lives - without probable cause and without a warrant.”

    In that interview he also expressed appreciation for vital information leaked out by whistleblowers about the US government’s abuse of power.

    “The government does not need to know more about what we are doing,” Paul said. “We need to know more about what the government is doing.”


    “We should be thankful for individuals like Edward Snowden and Glenn Greenwald who see injustice being carried out by their own government and speak out, despite the risk. They have done a great service to the American people by exposing the truth about what our government is doing in secret,” the former congressman added.

    Last week, Snowden leaked documents exposing the widespread surveillance of US communications under FISA, as well as a separate NSA program named PRISM that allows the government to access private conversations conducted over Facebook, Google, Skype and other services.

    "I don't want to live in a society that does these sort of things,” Snowden told The Guardian over the weekend. “I do not want to live in a world where everything I do and say is recorded. That is not something I am willing to support or live under."

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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    Assassination would be the worst thing possible. Will create blatant proof black and white for the world to see their faults
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    Re: Edward Snowden was NSA Prism leak source - Guardian

    Quote Originally Posted by Express View Post
    Assassination would be the worst thing possible. Will create blatant proof black and white for the world to see their faults
    Don't see how the USA can use a Drone to kill Snowden in HK ? HK is so populated and using a Drone to kill him there would also kill MANY MANY Hong Kong residents as well.

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