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    unfortunately competence is not a requirement for holding high office in this govt
    It is being reported that Aziz now claims to have been misquoted by media and that he did not say what has been attributed to him
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    You should import some of the good diplomats from your diaspora all over the world.
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    You should import some of the good diplomats from your diaspora all over the world.
    We do have some good people abroad and in Pakistan but these are government people and they are usually more partisan rather than on merit
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    We do have some good people abroad and in Pakistan but these are government people and they are usually more partisan rather than on merit

    Good diplomats cannot make a bad policy into a good policy -- as incredible as it may sound that the smartest people in the world, the most talented, the most hard working, cannot change Sh*t into Gold -- look at US policy in the Mid East, does the US have any dearth of talent, or erudite, cultured, committed, patriotic, bright diplomats? And yet it's policy is a net failure, not just in the last 10 years but the last 40 years.

    Pakistan have a similar problem, the Pakistan security managers are married, it seems, to Islamism and the use of Islamists as proxies - while to Pakistanis it's just "Islamism", to the rest of the world, it's "terrorism" -- now you can go all indignant on me and tell me about how unfair it is, and it is probably a Hinjew conspiracy, but fact of the matter is that you yourself don't believe that it is other than terrorism, after all, you have more than 50,000 Pakistani made into worm food by Islamists - you know the reality of Islam-ism -- do you really imagine that others don't??

    So long as Pakistan is as inept, as clumsy as it is, making distinctions between "good" terrorists and "bad" terrorists, you will find that Pakistani diplomacy will not be able to overcome this stigma -- many Pakistanis are genuinely confused as to why it is that Indians support proxies, Sodies do, Turks, Do, US does, English do, so why is it that EVERYBODY has a problem that Pakistanis do? It's because Pakistanis are so particularly inept, so particularly careless and clumsy -- When the Iranian stopped support for Kurds in their effort to make peace with Iraq, some of their Kurdish allies found it very difficult to accept, the Iranian gathered them, and introduced them joys of sky jumping without parachutes, The example of what US does when it's policy has been served is clear before all, the same with the Indian, when he makes his deal with the Pakistani, the Bugti, Marri and whatever will go back to living in the West till they are needed another day - But the Pakistanis have a different record, instead of being the masters of their proxies, the Pakistanis have become converted by their Proxies, one does not know where is the head of this dog and where is it's tail? I mean where else do you have high level officials and some uniformed espousing the view of their creation instead of their creation espousing the view of their creators? Where do you have scientists, nuclear scientists at that, sympathizing with terrorists? The difference between the Pakistanis and everybody else, is that Pakistanis refuse to maintain any kind of deniability between them and their proxy - That's not just scary but it is the primary reason no one trusts the Pakistanis, it's not just the US, it's also the Russians and the Chinese, the Iranians, the Arbis, even the Taliban neither trust nor like the Pakistanis.

    So, nothing will make a bad policy and poor execution and an even poorer narrative, remove the stink from Pakistani policy -- the Operation in NWA had a good chance of being a show piece, something to show that Pakistan has turned a corner, but Mr. Sartaz Aziz has hammered in the nails in that coffin.

    Just when the Afghan Taliban issue, the nuclear "Cutout" Dr.Abdul Qadeer Khan issue, the attack on the Indian Parliament followed by the attack on Mumbai, then the whole Osama living less than Km from a Pakistani military academy, the Haqqani -- If you look at this , it is Pakistan being busted over and over and over and over and over again -- when will someone in the security establishment decide "hey we are not going to do this the way we have been doing it", is beyond me, but it has to come, if the action does not come from within, it will come from outside.

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    Russia signs military pact with Pakistan

    When a Russian defence minister comes to Pakistan after a gap of forty-five years, it becomes a landmark event both in the bilateral relations between the two countries and in regional politics. And on top of it, there is much symbolism that Sergey Shoigu came to Pakistan on Thursday in the second leg of a tour that first took him to China at a defining moment in Russia-China strategic ties.

    It’s too early to connect the dots — not at least until President Vladimir Putin undertakes a long-awaited visit to Islamabad — but there is no gainsaying the fact that a critical mass of shared interests and concerns is steadily forming between Russia, China and Pakistan.

    The press release of the Pakistan defence ministry on Shoigu’s visit, in fact, stressed that the two sides “expressed satisfaction over convergence of views on most international and trans-regional issues.” A military cooperation agreement was signed during Shoigu’s visit, which is the first of its kind between the two countries.

    The Pakistani expectation is that the pact will strengthen the mil-to-mil relations in “tangible terms” as well as “pave the way for exchange of views and information on politico-military issues as well as issues related to strengthening of mutual trust and international security, intensification of counter-terrorist and arms control activities, extension of relations in various fields of military education” and so on.

    The press release quotes Shoigu as expressing appreciation for Pakistan’s defence production capabilities and remarking publicly that the world community “wants to do business with Pakistan now.” It stands to reason that Russia could be eyeing Pakistan as a potentially valuable partner for military sales and weapons production.

    Reporting from Islamabad, TASS news agency quoted Shoigu as saying that there is mutual agreement that “bilateral military cooperation should have a great practical focus and contribute to increasing combat efficiency of our armed forces.”

    The Russian-Pakistan interaction at the military level has been steadily building up. All three service chiefs of Russia visited Pakistan this year. Obviously, much preparation went into Shoigu’s landmark visit. Shoigu said without elaborating that he discussed with the Pakistani side “a range of specific events of particular importance.” These are not off-the0cuff remarks and they are meant to carry resonance in the regional and international audience.

    What explains the Russian overture to Pakistan? In the broadest sense, the deep chill in Russia’s ties with the United States provides the backdrop.

    From the Russian perspective, Pakistan plays a key role in the US’ regional strategies and it is in Moscow’s interest to create political and diplomatic space for Pakistan to withstand US pressure. In intrinsic terms, therefore, Russia will do all it can to strengthen the trend of Pakistan’s independent foreign policies.

    Arguably, in the new world order that Putin choreographed in his recent speech in Moscow in late October, Pakistan fits in as participant in what the Russian leader called “a new global consensus of responsible forces.”

    In regional terms, Russia has everything to gain out of cooperation with Pakistan. Shoigu acknowledged this by saying, “our [Russian-Pakistani] assessment of the situation in this country [Afghanistan] is either similar or the same.”

    To be sure, Russia views with great suspicion the US’ intentions in establishing long-term military presence in Afghanistan, given Washington’s track record of using extremist groups as geopolitical tools. Pakistan, too, cannot but be uneasy about the establishment of the US military bases in Afghanistan. Most certainly, sharing of intelligence becomes a leitmotif of the Russian-Pakistani military cooperation.

    Moscow would like to keep track of the covert activities of the US intelligence, which has a big presence in Afghanistan, while the fact remains that Pakistan has been at the receiving end of cross-border terrorism originating from Afghan soil and masterminded by various forces.

    Of course, viewed from Delhi, there will be an inclination to see Moscow’s overtures to Pakistan as a Russian reaction to India’s lurch toward the American camp. But that will be simplifying matters in zero-sum terms.

    Indeed, the fact that the US has overtaken Russia as the number one vendor of weapons in the Indian bazaar could be rankling Moscow. But then, Russia will not be doing anything exceptional by supplying weapons to Pakistan and India — something which the US and European countries have been doing all along.

    What should worry Delhi is something else, namely, the failure of the Indian policy to brand Pakistan as a terrorist state and to demand its isolation.

    On a day when Shoigu is in Islamabad while the Pakistani army chief General Raheel Sharif was being feted by his American hosts, it is beyond doubt that Pakistan is not facing any danger of isolation. Ten days back, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was in Beijing, too.
    Shoigu’s visit to Islamabad underscores that Russia has joined the US and China in recognising the shift in the Pakistani policies on terrorism, what with the growing evidence of the disintegration of the Taliban and the Haqqani network. By working with Pakistan, Russia hopes to influence the search for an Afghan settlement in a way Moscow’s profound security interests in the Caucasus and Central Asia are safeguarded.

    Therefore, as time passes, Delhi will be hard-pressed to find alibi for not engaging Pakistan in dialogue. Secondly, a possible upswing in Russian-Pakistani cooperation — and possible coordination eventually as the relationship matures — on Afghan developments can only aggravate India’s political and diplomatic isolation in Kabul.

    Finally, one main purpose of Shoigu’s visit has been to intensify the military exercises between the two countries. This is coming at a time when Russian navy aspires to make its reappearance in the Indian Ocean in the post-cold war era. The Russian warships from the Pacific Fleet made a port call in Karachi in April.

    Most certainly, it is no coincidence that Russia is probing the frontiers of military cooperation with Pakistan at a juncture when India is manifestly accelerating its defence ties with the US, Japan and Australia bilaterally as well as multilaterally and giving it a regional format in the ‘Indo-Pacific’. These are early days, but a strategic realignment in the Indian Ocean region is, perhaps, becoming unavoidable and the Russian-Pakistani military pact cannot be regarded as a mere flash in the pan.
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    By M K Bhadrakumar – November 21, 2014

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    What should worry Delhi is something else, namely, the failure of the Indian policy to brand Pakistan as a terrorist state and to demand its isolation.

    On a day when Shoigu is in Islamabad while the Pakistani army chief General Raheel Sharif was being feted by his American hosts, it is beyond doubt that Pakistan is not facing any danger of isolation. Ten days back, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif was in Beijing, too.
    Shoigu’s visit to Islamabad underscores that Russia has joined the US and China in recognising the shift in the Pakistani policies on terrorism, what with the growing evidence of the disintegration of the Taliban and the Haqqani network. By working with Pakistan, Russia hopes to influence the search for an Afghan settlement in a way Moscow’s profound security interests in the Caucasus and Central Asia are safeguarded.

    Therefore, as time passes, Delhi will be hard-pressed to find alibi for not engaging Pakistan in dialogue. Secondly, a possible upswing in Russian-Pakistani cooperation — and possible coordination eventually as the relationship matures — on Afghan developments can only aggravate India’s political and diplomatic isolation in Kabul.

    Finally, one main purpose of Shoigu’s visit has been to intensify the military exercises between the two countries. This is coming at a time when Russian navy aspires to make its reappearance in the Indian Ocean in the post-cold war era. The Russian warships from the Pacific Fleet made a port call in Karachi in April.

    Most certainly, it is no coincidence that Russia is probing the frontiers of military cooperation with Pakistan at a juncture when India is manifestly accelerating its defence ties with the US, Japan and Australia bilaterally as well as multilaterally and giving it a regional format in the ‘Indo-Pacific’. These are early days, but a strategic realignment in the Indian Ocean region is, perhaps, becoming unavoidable and the Russian-Pakistani military pact cannot be regarded as a mere flash in the pan.

    By M K Bhadrakumar – November 21, 2014

    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakuma...with-pakistan/
    After 9/11 and the "utility" of Pakistan, the notion of isolation was always far fetched - it does not mean that Pakistan has great relations with everybody, it doesn't and most of it's partners are wary of it, including the Chinese.

    Does this mean aggravation for Indian policy in Kabul?? It all depends on what that policy is -- If Indian policy is to use Afghanistan in conjunction with certain US and a Mid Eastern ally of the US, to create mischief, then certainly one can see the point of being aggravated, on the other hand, It's not as if India are in the back pocket of the US, and India too have a stake in working with Pakistan and others to ensure Stability and a competition that is severely attenuated in the geo-strategic sense and heavily weighted towards commercial ventures that can bring "regional" powers together in cooperation.

    Rivalry in the Indian Ocean? Rubbish, to what effect, for what purpose -- Along the Pakistani and Indian coast line and in the EEZ, a giant opportunity to cooperate exists, this region is rich with hydrocarbon deposits, it is not rivalry but joint security that can ensure a Asia free of non-Asian security influence after close to more than a millennia, and the dawn of a new sense of self in the region and Asia.
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    Putin Looks to Pakistan as Cold War Friend India Buys U.S. Arms

    Russian President Vladimir Putin is seeking to build military ties with Pakistan as India buys more weapons from the U.S., changing an approach toward the nuclear-powered neighbors that has endured since the Cold War.

    Sergei Shoigu, making the first visit by a Russian defense minister to Pakistan since the Soviet Union’s collapse, last week signed a “milestone” military cooperation agreement. The world community “wants to do business with Pakistan now,” Shoigu said, according to a Pakistan government statement.

    The move comes as Putin seeks to expand relations with Asia in the face of growing isolation from the U.S. and its allies over his support for separatist rebels in Ukraine. The U.S. overtook Russia as India’s biggest weapons supplier in recent years, prompting leaders in Moscow to reassess their strategy toward South Asia.

    “We’re seeing a new Russia,” C. Uday Bhaskar, director of the Delhi-based Society for Policy Studies. “With India now widening its search for defense supplies to the U.S. and Israel, Russia too wants to expand the market for its equipment. Both Russia and India are reviewing their policies.”

    Putin plans to visit India next month to meet with Modi as Russia seeks to counter sanctions from the U.S. and others. Russia this month announced plans to build a second gas pipeline to China, an ally of Pakistan, in a move that would cement Putin’s policy of tilting energy exports toward Asia.

    “China and Russia are also allying themselves, so it’s also one factor why Russia is looking toward Pakistan more cooperatively,” retired Lieutenant General Talat Masood, a former chairman of Pakistan Ordnance Factories, said by phone from Islamabad. “It’s important to be an ally of an ally.”

    Ruble Tumbles

    Russia’s gross domestic product will contract by 1.7 percent next year after stalling in 2014, with inflation rising to 8.4 percent from 7.6 percent, IHS Inc. forecasts. The ruble has fallen about 28 percent against the U.S. dollar this year, the worst performance among 24 emerging market currencies tracked by Bloomberg.

    Russia and the Soviet Union have been India’s biggest weapons suppliers, accounting for about 70 percent of its arms imports since 1950, according to data compiled by the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute. Pakistan, by contrast, has received only 2 percent of its weapons from Russia and the Soviet Union in that time, with the majority provided by the U.S. and China, the data show.

    Russia and Pakistan plan to increase port calls of warships, cooperate in fighting terrorism and help stabilize Afghanistan, Russian state news service Tass reported. Shoigu also met Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif, who said steps were needed to boost the $542 million of bilateral trade between the two nations, according to the state-run Pakistan Broadcasting Corp.

    ‘Critical Juncture’

    “Shoigu’s visit has come at a very critical juncture when U.S.-led NATO forces are drawing down from Afghanistan by the end of 2014,” Pakistan’s government said in a statement. “Apart from promoting bilateral defense relations, the visit will enable both countries to join hands in bringing peace and stability in the region.”

    It’s important for countries to balance ties between India and Pakistan, which have fought three wars since they were split after British rule ended in 1947. U.S. President Barack Obama called Pakistani leader Sharif last week, shortly after accepting an invitation from Modi to attend India’s Republic Day parade on Jan. 26.

    The U.S. surpassed Russia as India’s top supplier of defense equipment in the three years to March, according to figures submitted to parliament in August. They were followed by France and Israel.

    India Artillery

    Prime Minister Narendra Modi is seeking to modernize India’s armed forces and shift toward more domestic production to reduce reliance on imports.

    Two days ago, India approved a 158 billion-rupee ($2.5 billion) purchase of artillery, the first acquisition of large-caliber guns since the 1980s. If a foreign manufacturer wins the tender, the first 100 pieces will be imported and the remaining 714 will be made in India through technology transfer.

    Alexander Kadakin, Russia’s ambassador in New Delhi, last year questioned India’s fairness in awarding defense contracts, telling the Hindustan Times “we know what gimmicks are used to manipulate deals.” He said that Russia has always stood by India and losing its position as the country’s top weapons supplier “causes damage to our reputation.”

    Kadakin earlier this year dismissed concerns that Russia was changing its policy toward India in discussing the sale of Mi-35 defense helicopters to Pakistan. “Nothing will be done that will be detrimental to the deep relationship with India,” Press Trust of India quoted Kadakin as saying.

    To contact the reporters on this story: Natalie Obiko Pearson in New Delhi [email protected]; N.C Bipindra in New Delhi at [email protected]

    To contact the editors responsible for this story: Daniel Ten Kate at [email protected]nette Rodrigues

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    Russia's defence pact with Pak shows Modi govt's diplomacy failure

    This would go down as one of the worst strategic and diplomatic failures of India in recent times. Russia has stepped up its rapprochement with India’s arch-rival Pakistan just as India is getting closer to the United States.

    The unthinkable happened on 20 November when Russia-- India’s tried and trusted friend, ally and strategic partner – signed a never-before defence cooperation agreement with Pakistan. The defence pact scripts a new history as Russia agreed to cooperate with Pakistan in combating terrorism and offered advanced counter-terrorism training to Pakistan.

    The landmark Russia-Pakistan defence pact was inked during Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu’s visit to Pakistan, the first visit by a Russian Defence Minister to Pakistan in 45 years. The last visit to Pakistan was made by Soviet Union’s defence minister Andrey Grechko.

    The Russian move comes just about three weeks before Russian President Vladimir Putin visits India for an annual summit between India and Russia, an exercise going on since 2000.

    Russia was the first country with which India has an institutionalized mechanism of holding annual summits, signifying the extremely close political relations between the two sides. The first such Indo-Russian annual summit was held in 2000.

    Till date only Japan has been added to this extremely select list of countries with which India has been having an institutionalized mechanism of holding annual summits. This explains the importance of Indo-Russian bilateral relations.

    The increasing bonhomie between Russia and Pakistan marks a stunning change in the rapidly changing and evolving international statecraft. It lives up to the old adage: There are no permanent friends or permanent enemies in politics; there are only permanent interests.

    The Russians had already warned of decaying ties with India way back in June when they lifted their embargo on arms supplies to Pakistan and began negotiations for sale of combat helicopters to Pakistan. Despite India’s strong protests the Russians are moving ahead with the proposed chopper sales to Pakistan and at least 20 attack helicopters are all set to be sold by the Russians to the Pakistanis.

    Moscow has rubbed it further for the Indians and declared its intentions by sending its defence minister to Pakistan and by inking a defence cooperation agreement with Pakistan.

    Russians have been miffed with New Delhi for several years. It started in 2012 when Russia lost contract for several big-ticket Indian defence deals and the situation exacerbated in 2013. By 2014 the Americans had usurped the number one position as India’s top arms exporter – a position that the Russians had traditionally enjoyed for decades.

    Now let’s go back to the point made upfront: how the growing Russia-Pakistan synergy is a failure of Indian diplomacy in recent years.

    The failure started with the previous UPA government. The failure of the present government led by Prime Minister Narendra Modi is that it has failed to stem the rot for the past six months it has been in office.

    While Russian deputy Prime Minister Dmitry Rogozin has traveled to India since the Modi government took over, no senior political functionary of the Modi government has visited Russia.

    However, all is still not lost. Signing of a defence pact between Russia and Pakistan does not mean that Russia has signed on the death warrants of Indo-Russian strategic partnership.

    Similarly, Russia may have lost out on Indian arms deals worth several billion dollars, it cannot compensate for it by selling a few combat helicopters to Pakistan for a few scores of million dollars.

    True, it is Russia’s way of warning India against New Delhi’s dalliance with the Americans. But the Russians also have genuine strategic interests in stepping up their bilateral cooperation with Pakistan, particularly in the sphere of security.

    Russia had to open out to Pakistan in view of the upcoming thinning of American and NATO troops in Afghanistan. A lawless Afghanistan falling back into the clutches of Taliban is as hair-raising a nightmare for the Russian security managers as it is for the Indians. Pakistan is a crucial and unique stake-holder for Russia in this context.

    The Indians will have to be genuinely concerned about the impact of the Russia-Pakistan defence agreement only if the Russians end up with harming Indian interests. But this is highly improbable. Russians are no fools. They won’t sacrifice a carefully-nurtured relationship with a major power like India for the sake of improving relations with a country like Pakistan.

    India has erred big time in allowing its relations with Russia to sour to this extent that Russia has inked a defence pact with Pakistan. The talk of Russia selling combat helicopters to Pakistan was a mere talk. But signing of a defence pact between Russia and Pakistan is a serious business which is not conducive either to India’s national interests or to Indo-Russian friendship.

    PM Modi will have to intervene in a big way to save the floundering Indo-Russian friendship. The problem needs to be fixed as early as possible. Modi’s upcoming summit with Putin in New Delhi offers this opportunity.

    The writer is Firstpost Consulting Editor and a strategic analyst who tweets @Kishkindha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ArshadK View Post
    This would go down as one of the worst strategic and diplomatic failures of India in recent times. Russia has stepped up its rapprochement with India’s arch-rival Pakistan just as India is getting closer to the United States.

    The unthinkable happened on 20 November when Russia-- India’s tried and trusted friend, ally and strategic partner – signed a never-before defence cooperation agreement with Pakistan. The defence pact scripts a new history as Russia agreed to cooperate with Pakistan in combating terrorism and offered advanced counter-terrorism training to Pakistan.
    Indian version of "Chicken Little" -- apparently the sky is still falling - embarrassing.

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    Indian version of "Chicken Little" -- apparently the sky is still falling - embarrassing.
    What did they expect they can do whats in their interest but Russia or Pakistan cant or wont?

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    What did they expect they can do whats in their interest but Russia or Pakistan cant or wont?

    What I meant to convey was that if indeed there is a transition in Pakistani policy, it has a long way to go before it is begins to understood as a strategic shift - here there are really two elements, Islamism and the use of Islamist proxies - Once it becomes clear to regional and global powers, that Pakistani policy has genuinely shifted, I think obviously Pakistan's isolation and commercial potential will become issues the global community will have to consider more fully, with that said, lets also be clear that some regional and global powers, here I mean US and India, will not be reconciled to a Pakistan that does not "conform" to the security and commercial architecture they seek to implement, regardless of whether Pakistani policy has shifted or not, indeed, increasingly Gulf countries and Arabia itself will become challenges and open threats to Pakistan if it should fail to comply with the "architecture" of international relations founded on one pillar, that is to be India and the other, the Gulf countries and Arabia, the other pillar, crafted for the region by the US in accord with it's allies.

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    Pak Russia to cooperate in trade

    Pakistan and Russia said they would cooperate in various projects related to oil and gas exploration; construction of floating LNG terminals, North-South gas pipeline from Gwadar to Nawabshah; sharing of seismic and geological data; enhanced oil recovery; LPG processing facility and gas purification plants; modernisation of oil and gas infrastructure; innovative technology solutions in coal industry; and building and renovation of various power generating units in Pakistan, especially those of Russian origin.

    Pakistan and Russia on Friday expressed their determination to remove all impediments in the way of finalising plans and projects already agreed upon.

    In a joint statement issued at the conclusion of the third meeting of Pak-Russia Inter-Governmental Commission on Trade, Economic, Scientific and Technical Cooperation in Moscow, the two countries reiterated to cooperate with each other and encourage private entrepreneurs.

    Finance Minister Ishaq Dar led the Pakistan's delegation while Russia's was headed by Minister of Sport, Tourism and Youth policy Vitaly Mutko, who is also co-chair of the commission.

    Both countries said they would cooperate in various projects related to oil and gas exploration; construction of floating LNG terminals, North-South gas pipeline from Gwadar to Nawabshah; sharing of seismic and geological data; enhanced oil recovery; LPG processing facility and gas purification plants; modernisation of oil and gas infrastructure; innovative technology solutions in coal industry; and building and renovation of various power generating units in Pakistan, especially those of Russian origin.

    The two sides discussed cooperation in transnational energy projects, including CASA-1000 and TAPI (Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India) gas pipeline.

    Major Russian companies in the energy sector including Technopromexport, Rostec-Global Resources, Rushydro International, Power Machines, Inter RAO, United Engine Corporation, and Stochinsky Institute of Mining have shown keen interest in cooperation with Pakistan.

    Dar hoped collaboration in trade, economy, science, technology, agriculture, education and culture will gain new impetus due to continuous high-level interaction. "We are moving forward in the right direction."

    Russia's Mutko said both the countries enjoy strategic geographical locations and are endowed with rich human and material resources, which offer immense possibilities.

    Separately, senior executives of the Russian bank VneshTorgovBank (VTB) met Dar, and offered a credit line of $1 billion for energy projects in Pakistan. They were also interested in visiting Pakistan for further financial transactions. Dar suggested that the bank should also participate in other projects besides energy.

    A delegation of another Russian public-sector enterprise, Tyazhpromexport, headed by its First Deputy Director General Maxim Shabala, also held talks with Dar and reiterated its interest in rehabilitating and refurbishing Pakistan Steel Mills (PSM). Russia has also shown willingness for another state credit line of $1 billion for the mill's refurbishment.

    The finance minister told the delegation that the government was working on divestment of 26 per cent equity in Pakistan Steel, hence the company should acquire the equity instead of extending loan to the PSM.

    Dar assured the Russian side for early settlement of the issues of mutual claims and financial obligations and requested them to expedite a draft agreement on the subject in accordance with the earlier agreed parameters.

    During the talks, Dar was assisted by Minister of State for Petroleum and Natural Resources Jam Kamal Khan, Board of Investment Chairman Miftah Ismail, Ambassador to Moscow Zaheer Janjua, OGDCL chairman and senior officials of ministries of finance, industries and production, and petroleum.

    The inter-governmental commission is the most important mechanism to comprehensively discuss all spheres of bilateral relations between the two countries, especially energy sector projects.

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    Re: Pakistan Russia relations

    Hi,

    Before making friends with the Russians---Pakistanis need to learn and understand who the Russians are---what they have been thru and where they are headed---,

    What has been happening in Ukraine---russia feels that it is being cornered. With the change in Japan's outlook on international affairs by increasing its heavy weapons capabilities against china can also pose threats for Russia on the other flank.

    Next thing---india openly threatening china with a confrontation---Russia does not like that---because china is its main aly in the region now and Russia believes that india is going to do the bidding of the united states in the region and that is not acceptable to Russia. It also believes any incidence between these two may escalate and other allies might be effected.

    Then there is the whole of middle east in disarray---things completely out of control---. As it is time for Russia to move ahead with what happened in the past---it is also time to find new alliances and partners---. This partnership is between the proverbial Ant and the Elephant---where Pakistan being the ant---which cannot buy too much or give too much---but may possibly become an extremely critical partner in the future.

    As is typical with Russia---historically---when they associate with you---they care less about how much money you can spend---if they like you---if they think you have something to give back and maybe there is some future in the relationship---they don't hold back.

    Also Russia wants to payback the untied states----it wants to take one of its ally away---as the U S has taken most of Russian associates away---like Ukraine---Poland etc etc----Pakistan would be a good catch for Russia---it was time to get their foot in the door---and the loss of Pakistan to the U S would be extremely expensive----. U S will pay an extremely heavy price for its failure of foreign policy in Pakistan.
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    It would be good to see the admission of Pakistan into SCO. With India tilting towards America it is unlikely to want to join it as anything more than a trade zone whilst others may want to eventually develop to a security alliance. Getting closer to Russia would certainly assist with Pakistan being admitted to SCO

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    PAKISTAN AND RUSSIAN TRADE CAN EASILY REACH 20 BILLION DOLLARS IN NO TIME. PAKISTAN CAN EXPORT WHEAT SUGAR RICE FRUITS VEGETABLES AGRICULTURAL PRODUCTS TEXTILES COTTON CEMENTS PHARMACEUTICAL PRODUCTS MEDICINES SPORTS GOODS SPICES NATIONAL SHAAN SPICES etc 2 RUSSIA. ALSO PAKISTAN SHOULD BUY TOR M1 BUK 2 AND S400S FROM RUSSIA RUSSIAN AIR DEFENCE SYSTEMS R THE BEST IN THE WORLD. PAKISTAN SHOULD ALSO BUY SUPERSONIC YAKHONT ANTI SHIP MISSILES AND SUPERSONIC CARRIER KILLER MISSILES SUCH AS SUNBURN FROM RUSSIA. THANKS

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    5 items identified for export to Russia

    ISLAMABAD: The Ministry of Commerce has evolved a strategy for a share in the agriculture and food market of the Russian federation and in this regard five products including citrus varieties, potato, rice, dairy products and tobacco have been identified for exports.

    Talking to Dawn an official of the ministry said a business delegation of leading food exporters will visit Russia by end of January.

    The delegation will interact with Russian buyers to identify the routes and mode of payment during the period of US trade sactions on Russia.

    Bilateral trade between the two countries stood at $419.34 million in 2013-14 as against $484.47m in the previous year, reflecting a decline of $65.13m or 13.45 per cent. The decline is mainly driven by falling Pakistan’s exports to Russia, which fell by 10.36pc during the period under review.

    Currently, Pakistan’s major export items to Russia include woven cotton fabrics, fruit and fruit preparations, synthetic fabrics, rice all sorts, articles of apparel other than textile material, vegetables, medical and surgical instruments.

    According to a ministry document, Russian food and agriculture imports stood at $43 billion last year. The major imports include beef products, dairy products, citrus, tomatoes, potatoes, tobacco, fish, apples, pears etc.

    Pakistan’s average exports of citrus to Russia stood at $41.779m in the year 2013-14, a 2.480pc share in the total imports of Russia from the global imports of citrus which stood at $1.60bn.

    “Russians have taste for seedless varieties of citrus,” the official said. He added the demand for Pakistani citrus is on the rise but it needs proper marketing and facilitation to exporters.

    Major exporters of citrus to Russia include Turkey ($431m) and Spain ($103m). The rest of the exports are shared by Morocco, Egypt, South Africa and China.

    The second potential item is potato. Its exports to Russia stood at $16.182m, a share of 6.933pc in the Russian total imports of potatoes. There is a great potential in export of potatoes to Russia once Pakistan improves its quarantine and quality standards.

    The leading exporters of potatoes to Russia are Egypt ($233 million), the Netherlands ($27 million). Other exporters include China and Azerbaijan.

    Rice is another product, of which Pakistan is the 4th largest exporters to the world. Russia has imposed ban on imports of rice from Pakistan in the year 2011 but it was lifted in April 2012. This decision has led to a loss in share of Pakistan’s exports of rice to Russia and diverted the trade to India.

    The official said that exporters will be facilitated to enhance rice exports to Russia. Currently, Vietnam is the major exporter of rice to Russia followed by Thailand and Myanmar.

    Russian imports of dairy products stood at $4.3bn, alone $3bn from the European countries. Russia imported $2.2bn cheese and curd.

    “Pakistan is one of the leading milk producers in the world and has a fair chance of grabbing value added exports of dairy products,” the official added.

    Pakistan’s export of tobacco stood at $1.380m, which is 0.119pc share of the Russian total imports. The share in frozen vegetables exports is 1.020pc ($1.06m) of the total Russian global imports.

    Published in Dawn, January 7th, 2015

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    Quote Originally Posted by cb4 View Post
    ISLAMABAD: The Ministry of Commerce has evolved a strategy for a share in the agriculture and food market of the Russian federation and in this regard five products including citrus varieties, potato, rice, dairy products and tobacco have been identified for exports.


    http://www.dawn.com/news/1155375/5-i...port-to-russia

    When, exactly did the Ministry of Commerce become a vehicle for commercial success???? Is this not emblematic of Pakistan's failure?? Why can't business decide for themselves what items to trade? why does some govt ministry (read Fat cat's fix) be involved in commercial transactions --- it's 2015 Pakistan has Ministries of Commerce and Finance and Information, is it not time to set the captives free???

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    Without doubt Pakistan and Russia could explode the export industry.

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    Pakistan intends to develop cooperation with Russia in various spheres

    MOSCOW The Pakistani authorities consider the ongoing dialogue with Russia to be productive and intend to develop ties in various spheres, including defense and energy projects, Tasnim Aslan, an official spokesperson of the Pakistani Foreign Ministry and the foreign minister’s adviser on work with the United Nations and economic cooperation, told TASS on Thursday.

    “Russia and Pakistan are trying to enhance and develop relations in many areas. Pakistan’s Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs Ishaq Dar has recently visited Moscow where a meeting of the inter-governmental working group for energy issues took place. It was very useful,” Tasnim Aslan said.

    “We received Russian Defense Minister Sergey Shoigu in Pakistan last year. The sides held fruitful discussions and adopted a set of measures aimed to strengthen defense cooperation. Now, time has come to materialize them in real life,” the Pakistani diplomat told TASS.

    She said that her meeting with Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Ryabkov had become part of the ninth round of a strategic dialogue between Russia and Pakistan.

    “We held useful discussions in a very friendly atmosphere. Our views on various problems have much in common. It becomes particularly clear when a vote takes place at the United Nations. We vote similarly in 95% of cases,” Tasnim Aslan went on to say.

    Asked whether Pakistan was planning to buy military hardware and weapons from Russia in a sign of developing defense contacts, she replied that opportunities to expand and strengthen the existing ties always appear as relations continue to develop.

    “This is equally true of the purchases of military equipment and Russian investments in Pakistan and the development of infrastructure in our country by Russian companies,” Tasnim Aslan said adding the construction of a steel-making plant in Pakistan in the 1970s, the flagman of Pakistan’s steel industry, was a good example of that reciprocal cooperation. Therefore, we would like these relations to grow and develop in many spheres rather than just in one, the diplomat said. She mentioned several major projects. “We want Russia to participate in the implementation of infrastructure projects; the construction of dams as well as in energy projects. We maintain contacts with many companies, including Gazprom.

    Commenting on a visit by US Secretary of State John Kerry to Islamabad that took place on January 13, Tasnim Aslan said Pakistan was building bilateral relations with partners in a way that would not harm the interests of other states.

    “We believe that countries develop bilateral relations on a mutually beneficial basis. This kind of ties can also have a positive impact on the region and the international situation. Not a single country can have ‘a right of veto’ on development of bilateral relations by other countries. Our aim is to develop independent contacts with all countries. We consider the foreign policy to be a ‘zero sum game’. Pakistan’s relations with the United States can in no way harm Pakistan’s relations with Russia and vice versa,” the Pakistani diplomat said in conclusion.

    http://itar-tass.com/en/economy/771403

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    Pakistan seeks to strengthen defence ties with Russia: FO spokesperson

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    Russia and Pakistan are trying to enhance and develop relations in many areas, says diplomat. PHOTO: AFP
    MOSCOW:*Pakistan considers the ongoing dialogue with Russia as productive and intend to develop ties in various spheres including defence and energy products, Foreign Office spokesperson*Tasnim Aslam told Russian news agency*Tass.

    “Russia and Pakistan are trying to enhance and develop relations in many areas; Minister of Finance and Economic Affairs Ishaq Dar has recently visited Moscow where a meeting of the inter-governmental working group for energy issues took place. It was very useful,” Aslam said.
    She further added that “we received Russian Defense Minister Sergey*Shoigu in Pakistan last year; they held fruitful discussions and adopted a set of measures aimed to strengthen defense cooperation. Now, time has come to materialise them in real life.”

    When she was questioned on whether Pakistan had planned to buy military hardware and weapons from Russia in a sign of developing defence contacts, she said that opportunities to expand and strengthen the existing ties always appeared as relations continue to develop.
    “This is equally true of the purchases of military equipment and Russian investments in Pakistan and the development of infrastructure in our country by Russian companies,” she said.

    She used the construction of a steel-making plant in Pakistan in the 1970s as an example of reciprocal cooperation and said that they would want the relations to grow further and develop in more than one sphere.
    “We want Russia to participate in the implementation of infrastructure projects; the construction of dams as well as in energy projects. We maintain contacts with many companies, including Gazprom,” the spokesperson said.
    Aslam said US Secretary of State, John Kerry’s recent visit to Islamabad on January 13 was Pakistan’s attempt to build bilateral relations with partners in a way that would not harm the interests of other states.

    “We believe that countries develop bilateral relations on a mutually beneficial basis. This kind of ties can also have a positive impact on the region and the international situation. Not a single country can have ‘a right of veto’ on development of bilateral relations by other countries. Our aim is to develop independent contacts with all countries. We consider the foreign policy to be a ‘zero sum game’.

    Pakistan’s relations with the United States can in no way harm Pakistan’s relations with Russia and vice versa,” the Pakistani diplomat said in conclusion.


    http://tribune.com.pk/story/822622/p...-spokesperson/
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