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    Re: Pak-Russia Friendship Group established in NA

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    Thank you for acknowledging that Pakistan continues to breed, train and shelter international Islamist terrorism. I look to you to be honest with yourself and forum readers, the truth is painful but that pain is diminished and hope created when people such as yourself commit to being truthful instead of being chained to an evil ideology.
    [MENTION=1244]Muse[/MENTION] Please check below 2 links and be brave and open enough to face the truth, then i think you can understand the real face...

    http://thelondonpost.net/pakistan-bi...n-baluchistan/

    http://thelondonpost.net/pakistan-te...n-perspective/

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    Pakistan, Russia agree to enhance cooperation in diverse fields

    Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov says Russia is keen to expand its relations with Pakistan.

    Pakistan and Russia have agreed to enhance cooperation in diverse fields to the benefit of the people of two countries.

    The understanding came at a meeting between Advisor to the Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz and Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov in Moscow on Friday.

    Sergey Lavrov said Russia is keen to expand its relations with Pakistan since close cooperation between the two countries would not only benefit the two countries but also help bring stability and prosperity in the region.

    Sartaj Aziz said there is also a consensus in Pakistan for improving relations with Russia.

    He said the Prime Minister has a new vision for Pakistan. It is based on creating economic partnerships with nations. He said Pakistan, therefore, wants to develop a multidimensional relationship with Russia in the fields of trade, energy, infrastructure development, defence and culture.

    During the meeting, situation in Afghanistan, cooperation in the efforts against extremism and terrorism, drugs control, and situation in the Middle East, including Syria and Iraq, were also discussed.

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    Re: Pak-Russia Friendship Group established in NA

    Quote Originally Posted by Shahabuddin Khurram Javed View Post
    [MENTION=1244]Muse[/MENTION] Please check below 2 links and be brave and open enough to face the truth, then i think you can understand the real face...

    http://thelondonpost.net/pakistan-bi...n-baluchistan/

    http://thelondonpost.net/pakistan-te...n-perspective/

    These sorts of things are "incredible" -- that is to say they lack "credibility" -- Sure many foreign intelligence agencies are at at work in B'stan, but one does not blame one's enemies for being enemies - after all, B'stan either is or is not, the responsibility of Pakistan, if yes, then why blame others for the failure of Pakistani authorities to protect and secure what they say is theirs -- and if it is not Pakistan's to secure and protect, well then there is no argument.

    My point is that Pakistan have only themselves to blame, for what is ultimately,is their failure -- consider, if the charge is that foreign intelligence agencies use militant groups, shall we not ask why Pakistan has allowed this to happen? If the narrative of the "Oppressed Balouch" is presented in newspapers, who is responsible for not countering this narrative successfully??? Enemies of Pakistan???

    Then there is the TTP and fazlullah - Again, who is responsible for the TTP to not just exist but gain traction? Pakistan and her security apparatus of course!, After all if these were enemies, how they were allowed to draw breath?????????????? Who has been cutting deals and making distinction of good Talib and Bad Talib?? Once again, Pakistan, of course - so if today Pakistan find themselves stewing in a pot of non-state actors, they have themselves to blame.
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    Re: Pak-Russia Friendship Group established in NA

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    Speaker National Assembly Sardar Ayaz Sadiq has emphasized further strengthening parliamentary linkages between Pakistan and Russia.

    Talking to Russian Ambassador Alexey Yurievich Dedov in Islamabad on Thursday, he said Pakistan-Russia Friendship Group has been established in the National Assembly, which can play important role in creating better understanding between parliamentarians of the two countries.

    The Speaker stressed the need for joint ventures in power generation and oil exploration sectors.

    The Russian Ambassador said his government strongly desires to have congenial relations with Pakistan. He said Russia can help Pakistan overcome the present energy crisis.

    http://radio.gov.pk/newsdetail/66603/1
    You should focus on the red part,they have alot of experience in that field.

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    Re: Pak-Russia Friendship Group established in NA

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    These sorts of things are "incredible" -- that is to say they lack "credibility" -- Sure many foreign intelligence agencies are at at work in B'stan, but one does not blame one's enemies for being enemies - after all, B'stan either is or is not, the responsibility of Pakistan, if yes, then why blame others for the failure of Pakistani authorities to protect and secure what they say is theirs -- and if it is not Pakistan's to secure and protect, well then there is no argument.

    My point is that Pakistan have only themselves to blame, for what is ultimately,is their failure -- consider, if the charge is that foreign intelligence agencies use militant groups, shall we not ask why Pakistan has allowed this to happen? If the narrative of the "Oppressed Balouch" is presented in newspapers, who is responsible for not countering this narrative successfully??? Enemies of Pakistan???

    Then there is the TTP and fazlullah - Again, who is responsible for the TTP to not just exist but gain traction? Pakistan and her security apparatus of course!, After all if these were enemies, how they were allowed to draw breath?????????????? Who has been cutting deals and making distinction of good Talib and Bad Talib?? Once again, Pakistan, of course - so if today Pakistan find themselves stewing in a pot of non-state actors, they have themselves to blame.
    Pakistan is brilliant at portioning the blame. Always has.

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    Pakistan Russia Bilateral Relations

    A seminar on the subject was held at Strategic Vision Institute Islamabad where we had eminent panelists to dwell on the subject. What gave it more credence was the presence Andrey N. Shabalin, Consular (Political) from the Russian Embassy other being Akram Khattak, Pakistan’s former Ambassador to Moscow that was chaired by Dr Zaffar Cheema. Since I been a strong proponent of bilateral relations with Russia hence this seminar was of great significance to me.

    Very little is known to the public about the depth and breadth of this relationship for which one can only blame the media and the bureaucracy of Pakistan who for some reasons do not highlight the relationship. But hearing it from Andrey N Shabalin it was only discovered that spectrum of this relationship is very wide on the canvas that is deprived of the proper colours to complete the picture.

    Before going into the discussion of the day, feel it appropriate to go into a brief historical perspective of the relationship but would not like to touch some of the more bad patches that now we must burry in the past and take a fresh start as per the dictum of the time.

    On independence, Soviet Union was the first country to extend formal invitation to Pakistan’s Prime Minister Liaqat Ali Khan. After having accepted the invitation, he chose to visit the United States and never visited the Soviet Union. This was a bad start of developing any fruitful relationship with a neighbor who was also leading a block in the bipolar world.

    The price for this diplomatic anomly was very heavy that Pakistan paid subsequently. Soviet Union forged strong relationship with India and the results of that are before us, how we suffered and our ally the US abandoned us at every critical juncture of our history. Our relationship with the US is known with strong and frequent punctuations of embargos, sanctions and humiliations. The US projected Pakistan as a beggar state and further worked to corrupt the systems within Pakistan to keep her under the thumb.[​IMG]

    While talking to the audience, Andrey Shabalin stated it categorically that Russia does not treat Pakistan as a beggar state but an equal partner in every respect of the relationship. What he stated was in his personal capacity and not as an official of the Embassy but its well understood by the recent bilateral developments between the two countries.

    After the demise of Soviet Union, Russia became the official heir of the Soviet Union but many of the actors of the Soviet era had left the scene, mostly moving away with the new emerging states that were formally part of the Soviet Union thus it gave rise to a new leadership in Russia of which Vladimir Putin takes the center spot under whose leadership, Russia has bounced back and acquired its lost status of being a global leader that has ended the US myth of the Uni-polar World.

    Putin is a dynamic personality whose every word matters; his words are calculated and well balanced. He also has the capacity to back his words with action. Russia has no such history where she might have abandoned her ally at any stage perhaps except for a brief period soon after the demise of Soviet Union.

    Now when Putin says, “Pakistan today is not an important trade and economic partner of Russia, but also most important Russian partner in South Asia and in the Islamic world,” it’s no hollow slogan but it’s for the Pakistani leadership to ensure that the conditions are created where Russia can play its rightful role.

    Putin’s much hyped visit that did not take place, also came under discussion. During the discussion it was revealed that Pakistan had not done her homework to receive the Russian president for the very first time. Mr. Putin seeing the agenda of his visit did not think it worthwhile to waste his time and Russian money just for a photo session. Certainly the flaw was at our end that the authorities must investigate as to what went wrong and where.

    Bonding relations with Russia should be no big deal as according to Muhammad Ahsen Chaudhry, a historian, the ancestors of the people of Pakistan (particularly West Pakistan) “came from the Soviet Central Asia and brought a full rich Soviet culture with them.” Field Marshal Ayub khan had also stated during his visit to Moscow.

    On April 3, 1965, President Ayub Khan paid a first ever state visit to Moscow with a view to establishing a strong cultural relations with the people of the USSR. Publicly, President Ayub Khan thanked Soviet Premier Alexei Kosygin, and quoted:”Soviet Union is our next door neighbor with which Pakistan had close friendly connections in the past.” During this visit, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto and Andrei Gromyko signed the agreements in the field of trade, economic cooperation and cultural exchange.

    As the result of President Khan’s visit to the Soviet Union, both countries concluded another agreement for cultural exchanges that was signed on 5 June 1965. This agreement was on the basis of exchange the academicians, scholars, scientists, artists, sportsmen, and also the exchange of music records, radio and television programs. During the signing ceremony of this cultural agreement, S.K. Romonovsky, the Soviet Cultural Minister quoted that “many pacts between two countries would help towards better understanding among the people of Pakistan and the USSR.” Finally, on 17 April 1968, Premier Kosygin paid a visit to Pakistan and was welcomed by President Ayub and the Pakistan’s civil society members with cordial manner. During his visit Alexi Kosygin said: “that relations between Pakistan and the Soviet Union are very good indeed and we should want more and more to strengthen and better them.”

    The Soviet Premier’s visit in April 1968 was the first of its kind state visit and was of outstanding significance. Kosygin agreed to the granting of aid for a steel mill, a nuclear power plant and also economic aid on a broad range of development projects. During the time of Kosygin’s reception, renowned poet Hafeez Jullundhri, sang out a poem, comparing Kosygin’s visit to the coming of the dawn, which would bring self-determination and justice to the Kashmiri people. Kosygin enjoyed the amusing poetry, but remained silent on this issue. Alexei Kosygin said:

    There were many forces in the world which did not want to see friendship growing between the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) and Pakistan. Pakistan would achieve great success in all spheres under the leadership of President Muhammad Ayub Khan……Alexei Kosygin, Premier, 1968,

    Trade and Economic relations kept on developing but not a pace to match the potential of growth.

    The Soviet Union had been long associated with Pakistan to help build its technical industries and allied infrastructure since late 1950s. In 1950, Soviet Union and Pakistan established the multi-billion dollar worth Pakistan-Soviet Oil Fields later renamed as Pakistan Oilfields. In 1969, the Pakistan Government employed “V/o Tyaz Promexport”, a USSR technical consortium, for vertically integrated steel mills in Karachi, Sindh Province. Later, Zulfikar Ali Bhutto succeeded to bring full-scale Soviet investment in this project, and laid the foundations of the steel mills in 1972 with the help of Soviet Union.

    In 1980-85, the Soviet direct investment increased from 10% to 15% after officially signing an economic cooperation agreement in 1985. The overall 1.6% of all Pakistan’s exports were accounted in 1981, which increased to 2.5% in 1985. Unlike India, the USSR and Pakistan were able to continue the trade of their preferable machinery and technical goods, whilst also cooperated in agricultural products. However, the Soviet Union maintained its restriction to export its military equipments and technology to Pakistan, instead offering an economic package (restrictively based on civilian basis) to Pakistan in 1981. This once again pushed Pakistan to secure the arms deal with the United States in 1981, including the acquisition of F-16 fighter jets.

    Now that Russia has lifted all restrictions for weapons sales to Pakistan, India have been conveyed the message in clear terms that Russia intends to sell all weaponry to Pakistan and they would accept no Indian binding in doing so. As a result of this, soon Pakistan would witness induction of Russian weapon systems to modernize its armed forces. MI 35 Gunships are in a very advanced stage of sale program that is likely to be announced soon.

    Other than this, Russia would also be selling to Pakistan nuclear power plants to meet Pakistan’s energy crisis. Russia is a country that can withstand any global pressure to meet its commitments.

    In November 1981, the USSR financially funded and solely established the Guddo Thermal Power Station, and surprised Pakistan by offering to build a second nuclear power plant in May 1981. On 1 March 1990, the USSR again offered its nuclear deal with Pakistan and officially stated that the Pakistan has to increase its power generation needs and the USSR Ambassador to Pakistan, V.P. Yakunin, quoted that “once the required guarantees are provided, there is no harm in supplying a nuclear power plant to Pakistan.” Raja Shahid Zafar Pakistan’s Production Minister, immediately traveled to Moscow to discuss the issue. However, after analyzing the technology, Benazir Bhutto (Prime minister at that time) rebuffed the plan and made a move to secure the French deal which also went into cold storage.

    Andrey speaking on Pakistan Russia Relations said that, Pakistan and Russia have joint political-Consultation Mechanism on Strategic Stability, regional, bilateral and International matters. To further the traditional, commercial and reciprocal relationship between Pakistan and Russia and to maintain the spirit of the brotherly relations between the two countries, in April, 2009, it was decided to establish Pakistan Russia Economic Forum. Intergovernmental Commission on trade, economic, scientific and technical cooperation between Russia and Pakistan (IGC) was created to aid the development of mutual cooperation in the fields of trade, economy, science and technology and education. Russia has a joint working group with Pakistan on Energy Cooperation. With all these cooperation in place, there are some problems as well that need to be addressed immediately. One such problem is that Pakistan has frozen some 160 million US dollars of Russia that was in a bank for the up gradation of Pakistan Steel Mill. Though not a big amount but has become an irritant in developing of smooth and firm relations.

    For Russia-Pakistan bilateral relations, the field is wide open to expand it to any level. All that it needs is for Pakistan in particular to identify its immediate and long term requirements and work on those with heads down.

    Immediately, three areas need special focus i.e. strategic cooperation, defense and transfer of defense technology and collaboration in civil- nuclear technology.

    For reasons known to all, there would be some negative forces from within working as proxies that need to be identified and sidelined so that no hurdle is created in developing this relationship.

    Strategic Vision Institute needs a commendation for organizing this seminar which was not only a need but very timely also.

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    Russia Ready to Fulfill Prospective Projects in Pakistan - Putin

    MOSCOW, June 27 (RIA Novosti) - Russian companies plan to implement prospective projects in Pakistan, including in energy and metallurgy, Russian President Vladimir Putin said Friday.

    “We pay great attention to developing cooperation with the Islamic Republic of Pakistan,” Putin said during a diplomatic accreditation ceremony for foreign ambassadors to Russia broadcast on Rossiya-24.

    “Russian companies are ready to fulfill prospective projects, including in the energy and metallurgy industry, in the sectors that were created with the help of specialists from [Russia],” the Russian president said.

    Putin stressed that the important task is fighting terrorism and illegal drug trafficking.

    Earlier this month, head of the Russian delegation at the Eurosatory 2014 international defense and security exhibition Igor Sevastyanov said Russia plans to supply Pakistan with Mi-35 combat helicopters to fight drug trafficking.

    The head of Russia’s Rostec Corporation, a high-tech industrial producer and exporter, Sergei Chemezov, earlier stated that supplies of military equipment to Pakistan were to resume, including Mi-35 helicopters.

    At the same time, a source in Pakistan’s foreign ministry told RIA Novosti that Russia never fully adhered to the embargo on military deliveries to Pakistan.

    http://en.ria.ru/russia/20140627/190...n---Putin.html

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    Dar for early resolution of Pak-Russia financial dispute

    Federal Minister for Finance Ishaq Dar Thursday urged for early resolution of outstanding financial disputes between the Russian government and the Pakistani businessmen to help bring capital and investment into Pakistan.

    “There is lot of potential in trade between the two countries but unfortunately due to this impasse we could not benefit to our true potential,” Dar said while chairing the meeting of the committee formed by the prime minister to resolve the longstanding trade issues between Pakistan and Russia.

    He said the solution would be win-win situation for both the Russian government and Pakistani businessmen and emphasized that any arrangement agreed by both the parties should be implemented with full commitment to wind up of litigations and restore normal trade relations.

    Earlier, Chairman Board of Investment, Mifttah Ismail, informed the committee that the Pakistani businessmen, who were party to the litigation in the courts with the Russian government, had agreed to dispute resolution and the proposals in this regard would be communicated to the Russian side for moving forward.

    He informed that negotiations with the Pakistani businessmen were in a clear shape to be forwarded to the Russian side. On the occasion, Minister for Commerce Khurram Dastagir Khan said the dispute was an impediment to enhancing cooperation between the two sides in energy and infrastructure development sectors.

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    Re: Pakistan Russia relations

    did anyone see the russian president putin with german chancellor at the World cup final ? in terms of germany's relations with the US where does that put Germany and Russia ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ehsan View Post
    did anyone see the russian president putin with german chancellor at the World cup final ? in terms of germany's relations with the US where does that put Germany and Russia ?
    I think Germans are pragmatic and realistic and it seems like they may be moving away but a very slow pace from America and more towards Russia. But the move is very slow
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    Stronger ties: Russia, Pakistan to boost energy cooperation

    Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Morgulov Igor Vladimirovich and Pakistan’s Additional Secretary Europe Nadeem Riyaz led their respective sides in discussions that focused on a review of political, economic, parliamentary and cultural relations. DESIGN: ESSA MALIK

    ISLAMABAD:
    Pakistan and Russia concluded their second round of strategic dialogue with a commitment to undertake concrete steps to enhance cooperation in energy.

    According to a statement issued by the foreign ministry, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister Morgulov Igor Vladimirovich and Pakistan’s Additional Secretary Europe Nadeem Riyaz led their respective sides in discussions that focused on a review of political, economic, parliamentary and cultural relations.

    Possibilities were also explored for enhancing cooperation in various sectors including energy.

    The statement said that discussions provided an excellent opportunity for a comprehensive exchange on entire range of bilateral issues as well as the regional situation.

    “Both sides shared their resolve to undertake concrete steps to enhance their cooperation, especially in the economic sphere to strengthen the existing cordial relations,” it said.

    During the meeting it was also agreed that the next round of Strategic Dialogue will be held in Moscow at a mutually convenient date.

    The Russian Deputy Foreign Minister also called on Sartaj Aziz, Adviser to the Prime Minister on National Security and Foreign Affairs, Syed Tariq Fatemi, Special Assistant to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs and Aizaz A. Chaudhry, Foreign Secretary.

    They discussed bilateral, regional and global issues of mutual interest.

    Islamabad and Moscow remained bitter enemies in the 1980s when Pakistan along with other western countries backed the so-called holy warriors or mujahideen fighting Soviet troops in Afghanistan.

    However, in recent years the two countries have made attempts to move beyond the cold-war era and develop a new partnership.

    The foreign policy guidelines approved by the parliament in 2011 in the wake of US secret raid to kill Osama bin Laden in Abbottabad had laid special emphasis on improving ties with Russia.

    Since then the two countries regularly exchange visits of their civil and military officials as part of efforts to open a ‘new chapter’ in their otherwise troubled ties.

    Published in The Express Tribune, October 22nd, 2014.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/779106/s...y-cooperation/

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    Pakistan-Russian ties: The grass roots approach

    With bilateral relations between Russia and Pakistan gaining ground, Moscow has already opened up vistas in the relation through a well-settled Russian community living in Pakistan. This community is a sign of a whole lot of examples passing unnoticed, thereby advocating reliance on the radical measures introduced by the governments of the two countries only. This cooperation at grass roots level, involving individuals from both sides, truly complements the existing ties of the two countries in various fields.

    This specific Russian community, many of them women, living in Pakistan for at least a decade, clearly manifests the readiness of these nationals to extend goodwill and mutual understanding amongst each other. In an attempt to dispel stereotypes across borders, the Russians have demonstrated open-mindedness without question for a long time, while embracing differences and respecting cultural diversity as well as perspectives of the Pakistanis. Indeed, both Russia and Pakistan are heading towards establishing sustainable ties that cannot be disregarded at all.

    Furthermore, Russia’s approval of selling MI-35 helicopters to Pakistan in order to help combat terrorism in the region shows commitment to defeat this scourge and make Pakistan a peaceful country. Earlier in 2013, Russian President Vladimir Putin had also condemned the Quetta terrorist attack as a criminal and barbaric act that was aimed at destabilising the situation in Pakistan.

    Lately, Moscow has also expressed interest in enhancing cooperation in the energy sector, and working on projects like Casa-1000, development of the Gwadar liquefying facility and construction of a pipeline between Gwadar and Nawabshah in order to take the relationship to a new level.

    Besides this, the world’s largest country is actively involved in the process of accession of Pakistan to the Shanghai Cooperation Organisation as a full member, fostering improved ties of the two countries.

    Moreover, the meeting of Pak-Russia Intergovernmental Commission scheduled to take place in Moscow, as well as the expected visit of Russian defence minister to Islamabad on the sale of defence equipment will definitely give new impetus to the bilateral relations of both the nations.

    Published in The Express Tribune, November 18th, 2014.

    http://tribune.com.pk/story/792893/p...oots-approach/
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    A event of significance - No, really, Pakistani diplomacy seems to be maturing, it's no home run, but the relationship is beginning to take form, with that said, without the foundation of commercial, it will be a cripple, Pakistani diplomacy must be founded on commercial relations, strong foundations make for stable structures :







    Russian defence minister due today
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    ISLAMABAD: Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu will visit Islamabad on Thursday for talks with Pakistani leadership on strengthening defence cooperation and sale of military equipment.

    This will be the first visit to Pakistan by a Russian defence minister in recent past
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    The minister, according to a source, would stay in Islamabad for a few hours before returning to Moscow. Neither side has publicly announced the visit.

    A defence ministry official said the two sides would discuss full spectrum of defence collaboration during Mr Shoigu’s visit.

    Mr Shoigu had earlier in the week visited China where he said that defence ministries of Russia and China were seeking to form a regional collective security system in the Asia-Pacific due to concerns that the US was attempting to strengthen its military and political clout in the region.

    Russia and Pakistan have lately been working on enhancing defence cooperation and are believed to have already covered a lot of ground
    . Exchange of visits by military commanders in recent years is an indication of progress achieved in this regard.

    India’s decision to enter into tighter embrace with the US had prompted Russia to rethink its defence relationship with Pakistan.

    The visit also comes against the backdrop of reports that Moscow had given go-ahead for sale of MI-35 helicopters to Pakistan, which is interested in purchasing up to 20 helicopters.

    Russian Ambassador to Pakistan Alexey Dedov had in a radio interview said that the helicopter deal had been “politically approved” and further negotiations on details of the political-commercial contract were in progress.

    Pakistan’s former ambassador to Russia Khalid Khattak said the Russian defence minister’s upcoming visit reflected improvement in ties between the two countries. “We are entering a phase of defence collaboration in procurement and production. It’s important,” he added.

    But a defence source said the Russian side was unlikely to make any major announcement during Mr Shoigu’s trip because of President Vladimir Putin’s visit to Delhi next month. “They would not like to disturb Putin’s visit,” he added.
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    So I predict January 2015 when cooperation will be shown between the 2 parties.
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    Russian defence minister arrives in Pakistan to discuss defence cooperation

    ISLAMABAD: Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu arrived on a day-long visit to Pakistan on Thursday which is aimed at discussing bilateral defence cooperation with the Pakistani leadership.

    During his short stay in Islamabad, the Russian defence minister would meet Prime Minister Nawaz at his official residence in the federal capital and discuss issues related to security and defence cooperation between Pakistan and the Russia.

    Both sides are expected to sign an important memorandum of understanding (MoU) on defence cooperation. This will be the first visit to Pakistan by a Russian defence minister in recent past.

    Read: Pakistan, Russia to enhance cooperation

    Russia and Pakistan have lately been working on enhancing defence cooperation and are believed to have already covered a lot of ground. Exchange of visits by military commanders in recent years is an indication of progress achieved in this regard.

    India’s decision to enter into tighter embrace with the US had prompted Russia to rethink its defence relationship with Pakistan.

    The visit also comes against the backdrop of reports that Moscow had given go-ahead for sale of MI-35 helicopters to Pakistan, which is interested in purchasing up to 20 helicopters.

    Russia acknowledges Pakistan's efforts countering terrorism

    Russian Defence Minister Sergei Shoigu and his Pakistani counterpart Khawaja Asif held formal talks at the Ministry of Defence in Rawalpindi.

    Read: Deal to sell MI-35 helicopters 'politically approved', says Russian envoy

    Official sources told Dawn that during the meeting, Pakistan apprised the Russian defence minister about recent security situation in the region including the country's fight against terrorists and post-withdrawal of Nato-US forces from Afghanistan and the situation with India at the Line of Control (LoC).

    Both the ministers agreed that bilateral cooperation between Russia and Pakistan in the field of security and defence needs to be further enhanced.

    Shoigu lauded Pakistan's efforts in countering terrorism and said Russia acknowledged sacrifices made by the people of Pakistan and its security forces.
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    Re: Russian defence minister arrives in Pakistan to discuss defence cooperation

    Shoigu to pay first visit to Pakistan to sign military cooperation agreement



    While in Islamabad, Shoigu will have talks with his Pakistani counterpart Khawadja Asif, Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov, who accompanies Shoigu on the current visit
    SHANGHAI, November 20. /TASS/. Russian Defence Minister Sergey Shoigu will pay an official visit to Pakistan on Thursday.
    It will be the first visit by Russia’s defence minister to that country after the collapse of the former Soviet Union. The latest such visit took place as far back as 1969, when USSR Defence Minister Andrei Grechko made a trip to that country.
    While in Islamabad, Shoigu will have talks with his Pakistani counterpart Khawadja Asif, Russian defence ministry spokesman Igor Konashenkov, who accompanies Shoigu on the current visit, told journalists.
    “It is expected that the Russian defence minister will be received by Pakistan’s Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif,” Konashenkov said, adding that Shoigu’s talks would center round topical issues of regional security and measures to invigorate defence and military technical cooperation between the two countries.
    “The two defence ministers plan to sign an agreement on military cooperation,” the spokesman said.
    A source in the Russian delegation said that the agreement will have a framework nature and will serve as a legal basis for closer cooperation between the two countries’ defence ministries.
    In May 2014, Khawadja Asif took part in the third conference on international security in Moscow. On the sidelines of the conference, he met with his Russian counterpart. The two ministers then agreed that constructive cooperation between their countries was needed on the regional level.
    Back then, Shoigu pointed to the topicality of Afghanistan-related subjects. He also called for further efforts to stabilize the situation in the region. “Naturally, we are interested in you, as the closest neighbours and people involved in Afghanistan-related processes,” Shoigu said.
    The Russian defence minister was on an official visit to China from November 17 through 19.
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    Seems to me that Pakistan have just one more hurdle before them, and it's a major one - Pakistan must ensure that what they say in public and in private, they can can match with their deeds - here, Pakistan has been a dismal failure, Pakistan have been so careless in this regard that not only have they no credibility, they seem to have lost all sense of shame as well, yes, when it comes to Islamist terrorism, Pakistan cannot be seen to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.

    Don't get me wrong, we all know the world is complicated, and not black and white - but if you cannot have deniability, don't get into that business - all sorts of states have all sorts of curious relationships, however, States do not generally make it a point to be busted or out themselves as being duplicitous, the recent comments of Mr. Sartaj Aziz while Gen. Raheel tour the US to make the case that Pakistan will target all terrorists, is a prime example of shooting of the mouth and the bullet striking your feet.

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    Seems to me that Pakistan have just one more hurdle before them, and it's a major one - Pakistan must ensure that what they say in public and in private, they can can match with their deeds - here, Pakistan has been a dismal failure, Pakistan have been so careless in this regard that not only have they no credibility, they seem to have lost all sense of shame as well, yes, when it comes to Islamist terrorism, Pakistan cannot be seen to run with the hare and hunt with the hounds.

    Don't get me wrong, we all know the world is complicated, and not black and white - but if you cannot have deniability, don't get into that business - all sorts of states have all sorts of curious relationships, however, States do not generally make it a point to be busted or out themselves as being duplicitous, the recent comments of Mr. Sartaj Aziz while Gen. Raheel tour the US to make the case that Pakistan will target all terrorists, is a prime example of shooting of the mouth and the bullet striking your feet.


    Aziz has foot in mouth disease and should be removed from his position

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    Aziz has foot in mouth disease and should be removed from his position
    I could not agree more that he is a liability - you will recall how he torpedoed Pakistani policy when he became flustered in a BBC interview the last time these PML=N boobs were running the show.
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    I could not agree more that he is a liability - you will recall how he torpedoed Pakistani policy when he became flustered in a BBC interview the last time these PML=N boobs were running the show.
    unfortunately competence is not a requirement for holding high office in this govt

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