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    Re: Overwhelming majority of Baloch favour being part of Pakistan: UK survey

    Americans and Europeans support Pakistani terrorists:

    Top US delegation meets exiled Baloch leaders


    Murtaza Ali Shah
    Sunday, February 02, 2014


    LONDON: A delegation of the US Congressmen accompanied by top official from the US State Department met two exiled Baloch leaders and assured them of the open and clandestine help in their activities in Balochistan and abroad. Khan of Kalat Mir Suleman Khan Dawood and Hyrbyair Marri held talks with a delegation of US congressmen at a central London location.

    Sources have told The News that officials linked with America’s State Department were also present in the meeting where the situation in Balochistan was extensively discussed and the two asked the US officials to step up support for their efforts.

    US Rep. Steve King, Rep. Louie Gohmert, and Rep. Dana Tyrone Rohrabacher were confirmed present in the meeting but a source said that two other senators were also part of the meeting. Some of these representatives have been meeting the Baloch exiled leaders for many months now but the presence of some US government officials have provoked interest in this meeting. The meeting will be viewed with interest in Pakistan where a great level of suspicion at the official level exists that elements of the US establishment are deeply involved in Balochistan and have been helping some armed Baloch groups, directly and indirectly.

    Rep. Louie Gohmert told the Baloch nationalist leaders that he would do his best to highlight their movement. For several years, Hyrbyair Marri and Khan of Kalat have been living in exile in London. Both have been given asylum status by the British government. Mehran Marri, Khuda Bux Marri’s youngest son and Balochistan’s unofficial representative at the United Nation Human Rights Council, has also held several meetings in recent days with ambassadors of European countries in Geneva. A source told that a delegation of the US administration met Marri in Brussels a few days ago.

    Mehran Marri and Brahumdagh Bugti, who have been given asylum by the Swiss government, work closely at the European level US Representatives have assured the Baloch leaders that they would continue to work on their behalf to speak against Pakistan. The issue of the discovery of the alleged mass graves in Balochistan was also discussed in the London meeting. Some US congressmen have been showing increasing interest in Balochistan in recent months and have taken it upon themselves to talk about the issue.

    Balochistan and human rights officials say several bodies have been uncovered recently in Balochistan but Pakistani officials put the number at just over a dozen and its hoped that a judicial inquiry would be held into these allegations. Although US politicians and the government figures deny supporting the Baloch nationalist political movement or the armed insurgency but such meetings will only strengthen the view of those in Pakistan who believe that the US continues to grow interest in the resource rich province, which is also of huge strategic importance in the region.

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    Americans and Europeans support Pakistani terrorists:

    Top US delegation meets exiled Baloch leaders


    Murtaza Ali Shah
    Sunday, February 02, 2014


    LONDON: A delegation of the US Congressmen accompanied by top official from the US State Department met two exiled Baloch leaders and assured them of the open and clandestine help in their activities in Balochistan and abroad. Khan of Kalat Mir Suleman Khan Dawood and Hyrbyair Marri held talks with a delegation of US congressmen at a central London location.

    Sources have told The News that officials linked with America’s State Department were also present in the meeting where the situation in Balochistan was extensively discussed and the two asked the US officials to step up support for their efforts.

    US Rep. Steve King, Rep. Louie Gohmert, and Rep. Dana Tyrone Rohrabacher were confirmed present in the meeting but a source said that two other senators were also part of the meeting. Some of these representatives have been meeting the Baloch exiled leaders for many months now but the presence of some US government officials have provoked interest in this meeting. The meeting will be viewed with interest in Pakistan where a great level of suspicion at the official level exists that elements of the US establishment are deeply involved in Balochistan and have been helping some armed Baloch groups, directly and indirectly.

    Rep. Louie Gohmert told the Baloch nationalist leaders that he would do his best to highlight their movement. For several years, Hyrbyair Marri and Khan of Kalat have been living in exile in London. Both have been given asylum status by the British government. Mehran Marri, Khuda Bux Marri’s youngest son and Balochistan’s unofficial representative at the United Nation Human Rights Council, has also held several meetings in recent days with ambassadors of European countries in Geneva. A source told that a delegation of the US administration met Marri in Brussels a few days ago.

    Mehran Marri and Brahumdagh Bugti, who have been given asylum by the Swiss government, work closely at the European level US Representatives have assured the Baloch leaders that they would continue to work on their behalf to speak against Pakistan. The issue of the discovery of the alleged mass graves in Balochistan was also discussed in the London meeting. Some US congressmen have been showing increasing interest in Balochistan in recent months and have taken it upon themselves to talk about the issue.

    Balochistan and human rights officials say several bodies have been uncovered recently in Balochistan but Pakistani officials put the number at just over a dozen and its hoped that a judicial inquiry would be held into these allegations. Although US politicians and the government figures deny supporting the Baloch nationalist political movement or the armed insurgency but such meetings will only strengthen the view of those in Pakistan who believe that the US continues to grow interest in the resource rich province, which is also of huge strategic importance in the region.

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    Pakistan has done a poor job changing the mindset of the international community that these guys are not freedom fighters/nationalists, but are actually terrorists. A lot of the world considers them genuine freedom fighters. The same situation in 1971, when Pakistan did a poor job convincing the world of the Mukti Bahini.

    Look at India, how effectively they've communicated to the world that the LeT and HuM in J&K are not freedom fighters, but not terrorists. They have gotten the international community signed off on that, and got them designated as global terrorist organizations.

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    ‘Media ignoring Balochistan issue due to ratings’



    KARACHI: After the East Pakistan tragedy, some communities in Pakistan are still being demonised with little attention being given to the Baloch population perhaps because it does not fetch electronic media good ratings, a national conference on media was informed on Wednesday.

    “We are still demonising communities yet no activism on the part of citizens is there. Balochistan represents one such population which is not being covered properly because it does not guarantee good ratings to the media,” said I.A. Rehman, secretary general of the independent Human Rights Commission of Pakistan, in his keynote speech at the concluding session of the three-day national media conference.

    The conference was organised by the Sindh Madressatul Islam University (SMIU) at a hotel.

    He referred to the debacle of East Bengal in his argument regarding demonizing certain communities in a country composed of a variety of races, cultures and demographics. “We opted to remain silent in the case of Bengal and nothing is stirring us to open up now. We have learnt nothing from the history.”

    Mr Rehman said there was no freedom of expression even in Karachi where the media was being coerced to print at the will of the pressure groups. “Citizens have played no role for the cause of democratic values, but I tell you, there is no other way around, we will have to strive for this.”

    He said Mohammad Ali Jinnah said goodbye to the two-nation theory with the creation of Pakistan as the founder declared all the citizens equal irrespective of their religion, caste and creed, yet that did not happen and the role of media never proved helpful to keep the nation hinged on the Quaid’s vision.

    Sharing his reflections on a famous headline published in a newspaper, he said the slogan ‘udhar tum idhar hum’ was not chanted by Zulfikar Ali Bhutto but it had been coined by a news editor.

    He said there was a ‘loot sale’ of the national assets and unfortunately media was engaged in similar practices.

    To a question about the inclusion of two journalists in the government’s committee to hold talks with a committee representing Taliban, Mr Rehman said it was not the first time when journalists were engaged in such activity.

    “In fact they have been doing such activities for decades. The first such incident was reported in 1950s when a journalist had been used to manoeuvre for dissolution of the then assembly.”

    Mr Rehman talked extensively about the lack of discourse in the society and the teachers whose freedom had been snatched. He called for declaring all the educational institutions enjoy autonomy.

    Regional media

    In an earlier session on the regional media, Kazi Asad Abid, chief editor of Sindhi daily, Ibrat, said unlike many countries, Pakistan was not giving importance to its regional press. He said 90 per cent of 62,000 newspapers in India belonged to the regional media.

    He said the languages of the four provinces had always been denied of their rights, which reflected from the attitude of Islamabad for the regional newspapers.

    “Authorities in Islamabad think us as beggars, they use the government advertisements as a tool to dictate their policies upon us,” he said.

    He said the papers of Sindhi, Gujarati, Punjabi, Pashto and Balochi had zero patronage from the government and private sector. As these papers heavily relied on the government advertisements, they often suffered greater obstacles in practising independent policies, he added.

    He said with different political parties governing provinces and Islamabad, Sindhi papers here were not being given federal government ads.

    Dr Fehmida Hussain, chairwoman of the Sindhi Language Authority, disputed the term ‘regional’ attributed to the provincial languages and suggested that a ‘different and respected’ term be used for the Pakistani languages other than the official ones.

    Editors of Vatan Gujarati, Usman Saati, Munir Ahmed Baloch of Balochi newspaper, Nawa-i-Watan and intellectual Taj Joyo also spoke on the occasion and shared difficulties they were facing in printing their papers with meagre resource.

    SMIU vice chancellor, Dr Mohammad Ali Shaikh, said the university was trying to reopen its Gujarati school section, a facility in which the Quaid had also been admitted.

    Declaration

    The curtain was brought down on the conference with a declaration calling for the media houses to respect privacy of citizens, do not give undue coverage to militant groups and their acts and particularly avoid the rampant use of music in news stories about blasts.

    “In a democratic, federal parliamentary Pakistan, aberrations like militant organizations and their militancy must not be given undue coverage,” declared the conference.

    “And make it sure… the use of music in stories about bomb blast must be avoided.”

    The conference, which deliberated on a host of issues related to all forms of media in its eight technical sessions during the three days, admitted that the media, electronic media in particular, had flourished to a great degree with around 100 TV channels and more than 150 FM radio stations cropped up within a decade.

    However, in various sessions experts and critics complained about the lack of checks and balances especially on the content being presented by TVs and radios, which according to them, had led to grave social aberrations.

    “We call for democratic role of media for national integration and respect for Pakistani diversity with all its regional colours.”

    The declaration unequivocally highlighted the issue when it demanded the media to respect the privacy of citizens.

    “Media shall not assume the role of administration by intruding into private houses and assume the role of judiciary by pronouncing value judgements,” it added.

    It also drew attention to the deficit of training for the workers, which sometimes posed challenges of life and death.

    “Media houses must organize in-house trainings for its staff,” it said, adding the owners should not just value their equipment but also people who work for them. “Along with equipment, the media houses must value the life and liberties of their staff. Journalism has become a dangerous profession in Pakistan and warrants mandatory insurance of media professionals.”

    It said the use of language spoken on the two influential mediums was very poor and that too distorted the cultural values a great deal.

    While it called for the implementation of certain recommendations for the formation of an independent media commission, it asked the media to come forward with an effective code of conduct.

    The moot brought young scholars and researchers, students, academia, media professionals and politicians at one platform to dissect, debate and deliberate the media spectrum of the country with focus on changing and ever-evolving print, electronic, digital and regional media.
    http://www.dawn.com/news/1085134/med...due-to-ratings

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    US policy makers are just "getting back at" Pakistan at the moment for its alleged support of Afghan Taliban & reluctance to launch the operation in North Waziristan.

    that said, the Balkanization of this region is on cards for some decades. the NeeoCons have even a more ambitious plan to "help" the "cause" of some elements in Iran as well hence they are assisting Jundullah and in the end there is that infamous map of greater Baluchistan made out of three countries Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan.

    talking about our failure to sell our view point to the world community is irrelevant, when the world powers make up their mind then they can launch an invasion on the bases of a research paper of a university student aka WMD evidence. no amount of pleading helps.

    wait up you will now see Hollywood movies on the same subject, while all the mainstream Western media like BBC, CNN, Fox News and the like will follow an identical line as the state Department in highlighting the "plight" of the Baloch people (read Baloch Chieftains).

    what can Pakistan do? nothing much more than internationally to keep Saudis and Chinese on their side and keep throwing bones to the Baloch Chieftains (why not? if we can lick asses of the Taliban then why not the Baloch Chieftains?).

    if a blanket STFU law can be imposed on the "black coats" and domestic media then the security & law enforcement agencies can have breathing space to launch operations against the agents in the cities and the terror camps in the mountains bringing the heat to a manageable level,

    like a typical enemy, Americans together with covert Indian support have stabbed us while we are on our knees due to the fight with the Taliban.

    best possible course of action (based on the "shining record of the state institutions and political governments?) wait it out and take the blows in the groin and bite the tongue and keep smiling.
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    [MENTION=6296]Amina-Shaikh[/MENTION]
    US policy makers are just "getting back at" Pakistan at the moment for its alleged support of Afghan Taliban & reluctance to launch the operation in North Waziristan.

    that said, the Balkanization of this region is on cards for some decades. the NeeoCons have even a more ambitious plan to "help" the "cause" of some elements in Iran as well hence they are assisting Jundullah and in the end there is that infamous map of greater Baluchistan made out of three countries Pakistan, Iran and Afghanistan.

    talking about our failure to sell our view point to the world community is irrelevant, when the world powers make up their mind then they can launch an invasion on the bases of a research paper of a university student aka WMD evidence. no amount of pleading helps.

    wait up you will now see Hollywood movies on the same subject, while all the mainstream Western media like BBC, CNN, Fox News and the like will follow an identical line as the state Department in highlighting the "plight" of the Baloch people (read Baloch Chieftains).

    what can Pakistan do? nothing much more than internationally to keep Saudis and Chinese on their side and keep throwing bones to the Baloch Chieftains (why not? if we can lick asses of the Taliban then why not the Baloch Chieftains?).

    if a blanket FTFU law can be imposed on the "black coats" and domestic media then the security & law enforcement agencies can have breathing space to launch operations against the agents in the cities and the terror camps in the mountains bringing the heat to a manageable level,

    like a typical enemy, Americans together with covert Indian support have stabbed us while we are on our knees due to the fight with the Taliban.

    best possible course of action (based on the "shining record of the state institutions and political governments?) wait it out and take the blows in the groin and bite the tongue and keep smiling.
    I don't think Balochistan is 'strong enough' to split away from Pakistan, whether it gets help from outside forces or not. It will be a constant headache for 3 countries, just like Kurdistan is for Turkey, Iraq, Syria.

    I think better administration in the province can go a long way of improving the conditions there.

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    Re: Overwhelming majority of Baloch favour being part of Pakistan: UK survey

    Quote Originally Posted by Amina-Shaikh View Post
    I don't think Balochistan is 'strong enough' to split away from Pakistan, whether it gets help from outside forces or not. It will be a constant headache for 3 countries, just like Kurdistan is for Turkey, Iraq, Syria.

    I think better administration in the province can go a long way of improving the conditions there.
    respectfully cant see any split. Balochistan is an integral part of Pakistan and needs the attention the area deserves

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