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    Upcoming Israel-Iran conflict

    Bomber’s autopsy doesn’t fit official version of the event

    On July 23, 2012, Associated Press reported the results of the Burgas bomber autopsy; not for the first time in this affair, the findings didn’t fit the initial official declarations.

    Five days before, a suicide bomber attacked a bus transporting Israeli tourists at the Burgas Airport in Bulgaria. The bus driver and five Israelis were killed; over thirty people were injured. Initial descriptions of the bomber claimed that the man had short dark hair and were accompanied by an unclear security camera’s image.

    Dr. Galina Mleva, a forensic expert who took part in autopsies on the victims and the attacker, told Bulgarian National TV that the bomber “had a white face, light eyes, and very thick brown hair.” Trying to find a way out of the embarrassment, the discrepancy is now explained by assuming the existence of an accomplice.

    Yet, Israel doesn’t care about the facts; Netanyahu is about to attack.

    Within hours of the violent event, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu had blamed Iran and Hezbollah, justifying his brilliant conclusion on the fact that it had occurred on the anniversary of the 1994 AMIA bombing in Argentina, which was blamed by Netanyahu’s predecessors on Iran and Hezbollah.

    Now, we see that not only Netanyahu deductive powers are defective, but also that the evidence doesn’t follow the Israeli narrative. Supporting this, Bulgarian Foreign Minister said “We’re not pointing the finger in any direction until we know what happened and complete our investigation.”

    Obsessive in his attempts to incriminate Iran, Netanyahu has triggered a different event. In fact, recent declarations of Israeli officials can be considered as an Israeli declaration of war on Iran.

    Odd as it may seem, Iran and Israel are technically at peace. Between 1948 and 1979, the two countries had close relations. Israeli Defense Minister General Ezer Weizmann and Iranian Vice-Minister of War General Hasan Toufanian discussed the co-production of Israel’s Jericho-2 missile, hinting that current Iranian developments may have a close relation to Israeli parallel weapons.

    After the Islamic Revolution, Israel supported Iran in the Iran-Iraq War, providing military help of up to $500 million annually. There are many testimonies of ongoing economic relations between the countries, “Treacherous Alliance – The Secret Dealings of Israel, Iran and the United States,” by Dr. Trita Parsi provides good descriptions of how these complex deals work.

    Last year, Israeli company Ofer Brothers Group was subject to U.S. sanctions after it sold ships to Iran via a third party. Thus, despite the verbal animosity, it seems that businesses between the adversaries are good.



    Rubber Rocks

    Notwithstanding the almost open commercial links between the countries, the political links couldn’t be worse. In May 2006, Israeli Vice-Premier Shimon Peres said Reuters “the president of Iran should remember that Iran can also be wiped off the map.” This is a very disturbing statement coming from a Nobel Peace Prize laureate. Israel wants economic relations with Iran, while keeping it militarily weak.

    Even without further development of their military strength, both countries could cause massive damage to each other in a blitzkrieg missile war. The declarations by Peres and other Israeli politicians and generals were always phrased in such a way that couldn’t be seen as a direct threat. Yet, following the Burgas bombing, Netanyahu crossed a red line.

    Just after the event, Netanyahu blamed Iran, basing his delusional conclusion on the fact that it was the anniversary to the bombing of the AMIA Jewish Center in Buenos Aires, in 1994. Iran has never been properly proven as having perpetrated the first event; on the contrary, in 2005, a corrupt Argentinean government impeached Federal Judge Juan José Galeano—who was in charge of the case—due to serious irregularities in his investigation.

    Unluckily for Netanyahu, this type of logic doesn’t hold; many other events took place on this day, even more took place in other days. It means nothing. If anything, it hints at a false flag event trying to incriminate Iran. After this first fiasco, Netanyahu kept blaming Iran.

    On Sunday, he told Fox News that Iran and Hezbollah are behind the terror attack in Burgas. “This is based on rock solid intelligence and on its resemblance to other recent attempted attacks across the world, included one in Cyprus last week. It’s the same modus operandi,” he said. “It’s them and we know it,” he emphasized.

    This “rock solid” evidence is true only if the rocks are as solid as flimsy rubber. Again, if anything, we see here an attempt to incriminate Iran. Butchers all over the world use the same “modus operandi” when they cut meat, despite not knowing each other. If Netanyahu is serious in his claims, then he is completely illogical. The only fact is that Netanyahu didn’t provide any of his rock-solid proofs.

    Even before his shallow, soft statements, Netanyahu committed a more serious error. During the press conference that he gave after the attack, he said “Israel would demand a heavy price from those who dispatched the terrorists. Israel would not be defeated.” “We’ll fight Iranian terror, we’ll fight it with great force,” he added.

    In order to make clear the position was shared by the government, Foreign Affairs Minister Avigdor Liberman said that Iran is the world’s biggest state sponsor of terror and that Israel would respond “with force and precision against those who plan and execute such attacks.” “We have no intention to forgive and forget,” he said and included Hezbollah on the threat by adding: “Hezbollah knows that we don’t make empty threats.”

    There are several ways of declaring a war, a topic that is regulated by the Hague Convention (III) of 1907 on the Opening of Hostilities. The most obvious one is by a speech or the issuing of a formal document. However, that seldom happens; most ongoing wars have never been formally declared.

    A well-known example is the German invasion of Belgium, which violated the abovementioned convention since it states that hostilities must not commence without explicit warning. This case is relevant here because what Netanyahu did in his speech was to deliver such a war warning justifying it on unproven claims.

    He had put Iran in a position to legitimately claim that Israel declared war on it and thus enabled it to take defensive measures. Self-defense from an external attack is a type of war allowed by the UN Charter. Mr. Netanyahu, this is the only “rock-solid” evidence in this case.

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    I think Israelis are all talk. They are scared of Iran. After all they have been begging America now for ages asking for action.

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    Obama aide tells Israel of Iran attack plan: paper

    JERUSALEM: President Barack Obama’s national security adviser has briefed Israel’s Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu on a US contingency plan to attack Iran should diplomacy fail to curb its nuclear programme, an Israeli newspaper reported on Sunday.

    The Haaretz newspaper said that the US adviser, Thomas Donilon, had described the plan in talks with Netanyahu earlier this month.

    A senior Netanyahu aide, Harel Locker, refused to comment on the report when asked about it in an interview with an Israeli radio station.

    Another Israeli official reached by telephone, said “we do not comment on closed-door diplomatic meetings”.

    Haaretz said the secret briefing was the most significant effort by high-level US officials who had visited Israel in the past month, including Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, to try to dissuade Israel from launching its own military strike on Iran.

    The report coincided with a visit to Israel by Obama’s main rival in his reelection bid this November, Republican candidate Mitt Romney, who is due to meet Netanyahu on Sunday.

    Quoting a senior US official it said spoke on condition of anonymity, Haaretz said Donilon had told Netanyahu the Pentagon was planning for a possible decision to attack Iran’s nuclear sites, and had shown him some of the plans.

    In their talks, the same official said Donilon had also detailed the US military’s ability to penetrate nuclear facilities buried deep underground, and had said that such contingency plans were being drawn up in case of a possible deadlock in diplomacy with Iran.

    The failure of talks between Iran and six world powers to secure a breakthrough in curbing what the West fears is a drive to develop nuclear weapons has raised international concerns that Israel, widely assumed to be the Middle East’s only nuclear-armed state, may opt for a go-it-alone military strike.

    Israel has warned the West it thinks it is only a matter of time before Iran’s nuclear programme achieves a “zone of immunity” in which bombs will not be able to effectively strike uranium enrichment facilities buried deep underground.

    Iran says its programme is solely for peaceful purposes.

    On a visit to Jerusalem this month, Clinton said Israel and Washington were “on the same page” with respect to Iran, calling Iran’s latest proposals to world power talks on the issue “non starters.”

    “Our own choice is clear, we will use all elements of American power to prevent Iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon,” Clinton said.

    http://dawn.com/2012/07/29/obama-aid...ck-plan-paper/

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    And Iran has plans to raze all US military bases to the ground.. so what
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    Israelis would suffer like no ones biz if they were to fight Iran. I mean 2006 they got mauled by a proxy militia of Iran in Hezbollah who are probably more stronger now than then
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    Upcoming Israel-Iran conflict

    JERUSALEM: Speculation over whether Israel is preparing for a unilateral military strike on Iran’s nuclear facilities has intensified in the past few weeks after a period in which the atmosphere was less febrile.

    The visit of four senior US administration officials — the secretary of state, Hillary Clinton, the defence secretary, Leon Panetta, the national security adviser, Tom Donilon, and the counter-terrorism chief, John Brennan — suggests that Washington is renewing its efforts to rein in Israeli prime minister Binyamin Netanyahu’s inclinations towards military action.

    It can be assumed that the administration is also anxious to reassure Netanyahu that it is committed to tackling the Iranian nuclear threat following presumptive Republican candidate Mitt Romney’s visit to Jerusalem earlier this week. Romney, assisted by his senior aide Dan Senor, positioned himself in hawkish solidarity with Israel. Senor even suggested that Romney would back unilateral action launched by Israel, although there was some later backtracking on that stance.

    The message to Israel from administration officials boils down to this: the US is serious about preventing a nuclear-armed Iran, you need to trust us on this, we will in the end use force if we have to and we are much better equipped to do so than you, so don’t muck it all up by going ahead on your own.

    An analysis in the Jerusalem Post by Yaakov Katz summarises the debate within Israel’s political and military establishment:

    “The debate that is raging within the government and the defence establishment is not about the value of an attack, since no one really wants Iran to be allowed to go nuclear. The question, however, is about the timing of such an attack and whether it needs to happen over the summer, before the US elections, or if it can wait until afterward, maybe as far away as next spring.

    “At the heart of this question are two additional questions — first, whether Israel can afford to wait that long and second, if Israel can really rely on the US to use military force one day if and when everything else has clearly failed.”

    Some commentators believe Netanyahu will only respond to a clear and powerful message from Barack Obama. Writing in Haaretz, Ari Shavit says:

    “The key to preventing disaster is … in the hands of the US president. Barack Obama is a brilliant orator. Obama has made quite a few exemplary speeches both as presidential candidate and as president. But the American president’s most important speech is the one he has not made so far — the Iran speech. A speech in which the leader of the free world pledges in public that the free world will prevent Iran from obtaining military nuclear ability — at any price. A speech in which the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff says that if the sanctions don’t stop Iran, America’s military power will.

    “A speech in which the US president stands before the citizens of the United States and its allies and says — it’s on me. I will not ignore your existential needs nor abandon our strategic interests, nor let Iran become a nuclear power. In my name and in the name of Mitt Romney and the bipartisan leadership, I hereby pledge that in the course of 2013 America will paralyse the Iranian centrifuges that could bring an historic catastrophe on us all.”

    Such a speech will prevent an Israeli strike and “almost” guarantee Obama’s re-election, says Shavit.

    An unusual view is taken by Larry Dernfer, writing on the +972 website. In a piece headlined “It’s over — there will be no Israeli attack on Iran”, he says: “Israel is not going to attack Iran. Not before the 6 November presidential election, not afterward if Obama wins, and maybe not afterward even if Romney wins, which is unlikely.

    “It’s not that Netanyahu doesn’t want to bomb Iran — he does, and he makes that clearer every day. What’s happened is that there’s been such a torrent of opposition in the Israeli media this week from the security establishment, starting with IDF [Israel Defence Forces] chief Benny Gantz, and backed by the Obama administration and Pentagon, that there’s no way Bibi [Netanyahu] can get his cabinet to vote for a war, and without the cabinet’s backing, he can’t do it.

    The ministers will not support Bibi in an extremely risky war opposed by the heads of the IDF, IDF intelligence, the air force, the Mossad, the Shin Bet and the United States of America.

    Dernfer adds: “So I think the game is up. Making the case for war with Iran is now a losing battle, and people are going to start running away from it, beginning, I expect, with Ehud Barak, who has been Bibi’s equal partner in this whole scaremongering affair.”

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    Israel is just behaving like a spoiled child it thinks that immaterial of whether they are right or wrong they should be able to dictate to its neighbours. The duplicity is amazing. they Jews can have nukes but Iran and other Muslims can not be trusted with nukes and deserved to be bombed even of they become near to making nukes.
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    Phony war: Is Netanyahu's tough talk on Iran just a front?

    Phony war: Is Netanyahu's tough talk on Iran just a front?

    Published: 04 August, 2012, 23:17



    Israel’s threats that it could attack Iran at any time appear to be a tactical ploy, after a government insider revealed that no military plans against Tehran have been discussed by Israel's top ministers for “months.”

    The information was leaked to news agency Reuters by a highly-placed official who has been briefed on all the meetings of the octet – an inner council of the top eight Israeli ministers, presided over by Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu.

    "The octet hasn't held a proper discussion of Iran for months – since October, as far as I can recall," claims the insider.

    "It's possible that, since then, Iran came up during other sessions, but I wouldn't count those as serious discussions. You can't make any concrete decisions or policy advances in an hour-long chat on the sidelines of a different agenda."

    The insider also confirmed rumors that the octet had factionalized, with hawkish Netanyahu held back by top military and security officials who are “entirely against” an Israel-led attack on Tehran’s nuclear program, believing the country does not have the necessary resources for a war with its much bigger rival.

    "It is very, very difficult to see a situation where a prime minister will go against the advice not just of the former heads of Mossad and Shin Bet, but most of the military commanders," commented Uzi Rabi, director of Tel Aviv’s Moshe Dayan Centre for Middle Eastern Studies.

    The information is in sharp contrast to the belligerent rhetoric displayed by Netanyahu, who chided Washington’s softly-softly approach to Iran as he stood next to US Defense Secretary Leon Panetta during a press conference in Jerusalem earlier this week.

    "Neither sanctions nor diplomacy have yet had any impact on Iran’s nuclear weapons program," boomed a visibly agitated Netanyahu, who at one point banged his fist on the lectern.

    Netanyahu also claimed that he would take responsibility for any attack on Iran, which Jerusalem believes is trying to acquire nuclear weapons. He claimed that he has, in fact, held bi-weekly meetings to discuss war-with-Iran scenarios.

    A reluctant ally

    There are several explanations for the discrepancy between the public sable-rattling, and the private caution in Jerusalem.

    "The Iranians' math is off if they think they have open-ended immunity," Netanyahu said during the same press conference.

    Yet, the bombastic rhetoric could be intended as a message to the Iranian leadership, to create what the prime minister has called a “strong and credible threat”that will force Tehran to the negotiating table, where the West has placed heavy incentives for it. But only if the Islamic Republic gives up its dalliance with the atom.

    A second theory, widely circulated in the Israeli media, suggests that the war veteran prime minister is trying to rally the hawks, papering over the cracks in the cabinet and military by shouting out loudest – speaking as with one voice, when in fact, there are dozens of different views on the issue within Israel.

    But the most likely explanation seems to be that Israel is forcing the hand of its closest ally, the US. By saying that it will strike without consultation, it may force the US to intervene to avoid a bloody conflict in which Iran is likely to retaliate against Israel.

    In fact, during the press conference with Panetta, the US Defense Chief was forced into making strongly supportive comments after Netanyahu’s provocations, all the while looking uncomfortable at the US being cast as the soft one.

    "We will not allow Iran to develop a nuclear weapon, period," insisted Panetta.

    Nonetheless, Washington may well call Israel’s bluff, partly because of the havoc any large military operation would cause to the prospects of President Barack Obama’s re-election in November’s presidential poll.

    "It would not be healthy for Israeli-US relations to carry out such a significant attack that might influence the election. So my guess is they won't do it before early November, because it might embarrass the US administration," says Ephraim Kam, Deputy Director of the Institute for National Security Studies.

    What could happen after that is anybody's guess. While Obama has been the very model of caution, his Republican rival Mitt Romney has adopted a hard-line stance.

    “We must not delude ourselves into thinking that containment is an option,” he said during a recent visit to Israel, while his senior foreign policy aide promises Romney will not condemn any Israeli strike on Iranian facilities.

    *Igor Ogorodnev, RT

    Phony war: Is Netanyahu's tough talk on Iran just a front? — RT

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    Israelis are misbehaving and shouting so much they are only a small country. they use Americans the israelis can not do anything.

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    As the situation between Iran & Israel is brewing up, this topic is being made a sticky thread. As the strategic geopolitical dynamics of the region are changing drastically, an Israel-Iran conflict seems to be imminent. Please post all news related to the potential conflict here

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    Iran tests upgraded version of short-range missile

    TEHRAN, Iran (AP) — Iran claimed Saturday it has successfully test-fired an upgraded version of a short-range ballistic missile with improved accuracy, increasing the Islamic Republic's capability to strike both land and naval targets.

    Defense Minister Gen. Ahmad Vahidi said the solid-fueled Fateh-110 has a range of 300 kilometers (185 miles). He claimed the weapon could strike with pin-point precision, making it the most accurate weapon of its kind in Iran's arsenal.

    "By reaching this generation of the Fateh-110, a new capability has been added to our armed forces in striking sea and land targets," state TV quoted Vahidi as saying. "Few countries in the world possess the technology to build such missiles."

    Iran's military leaders have said they believe future wars will be air- and sea-based and Tehran has sought to upgrade its air defense systems and naval power in anticipation of such a possibility.

    Iran has also been pushing to upgrade its missiles, which already can target Israel and U.S. bases in the Middle East. The Pentagon released a report in June noting significant advances in Iranian missile technology, acknowledging that the Islamic Republic has improved the accuracy and firing capabilities of its missiles.

    The Fateh-110, or Conqueror, is a single-stage solid-propellant, surface-to-surface missile put into service in 2002. The earlier version of the domestically-produced missile had a range of 200 kilometers (120 miles). The weapon was developed by Iran's Aerospace Industries Organization.

    Iran also has a variety of longer-ranged missiles including a Shahab-3 variant with a range of 2,000 kilometers (1,200 miles) that can reach Israel and southern Europe. Many of its missiles could in theory carry a nuclear warhead.

    Iran considers both the United States and Israel as potential adversaries. Neither country has ruled out a military strike against Iran's nuclear program, which they claim is aimed at developing nuclear weapons. Iran says its program is for peaceful purposes.

    Britain's Foreign Office said in a statement that it was concerned by the reports of the missile test.

    "This move calls into question again Iran's stated commitment to a purely peaceful nuclear program," the ministry said Saturday. "We remain concerned that Iran continues to develop missile technology with the clear intention of extending the range and sophistication of its missiles."

    Israel is about 1,000 kilometers (600 miles) away from Iran's western borders, while the U.S. Navy's Fifth Fleet is based in Bahrain, some 200 kilometers (120 miles) from Iranian shores in the Persian Gulf.

    Iran's military leaders have threatened that Israel "would disappear from the Earth" if it attacks Iran. Military commanders have also warned that 35 American military bases in the Middle East are within Iran's missile range and would be destroyed within seconds after any U.S. attack on Iran.

    Iran launched an arms development program during its 1980-88 war with Iraq to compensate for a U.S. weapons embargo. Since 1992, Iran has produced its own tanks, armored personnel carriers, missiles, torpedoes and a fighter plane.
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    Eye on Iran and Syria, Israel hardens missile shield

    JERUSALEM (Reuters) - Israel is upgrading its Arrow II ballistic missile shield in a U.S.-backed "race" against Iran, Syria and other regional enemies, a senior Israeli defense official said on Sunday.

    The new "Block 4" generation of guided interceptor rockets, radars and technologies for synchronizing Arrow with U.S. systems was being installed in deployed Israeli batteries, a process that would take several weeks, the official said.

    "The accuracy and the reach will be greater," the official said of Arrow, which has been operational since 2000 and is designed to blow up incoming missiles at altitudes high enough for non-conventional warheads to disintegrate safely.

    "It is part of the technological race in the region," the official, who declined to be named, told Reuters.

    Long jittery about Iran's disputed nuclear program, the Israelis have more recently worried the Syrian insurgency could loosen Damascus's hold on its chemical weapons and missiles.

    Israel has threatened to attack preemptively in both countries, a prospect that could trigger wider war and clash with Washington's efforts to resolve the crises diplomatically.

    Iran, which denies seeking nuclear weapons, has repeatedly vowed to retaliate against any attack. "(Israel) knows that attacking Iran is an unattainable wish, unless the regime seeks to commit suicide," Iranian Defense Minister Ahmad Vahidi was quoted as saying by the state news agency IRNA on Sunday.

    The Pentagon and U.S. firm Boeing Co are partners in Arrow, an investment that the Obama administration hopes will help stay Israel's hand.

    U.S. Secretary of Defense Leon Panetta said last week that Israeli interceptors like Arrow and Iron Dome, which shoots down short-range guerrilla rockets, were "designed to prevent wars".

    Arrow has scored a 80 percent to 90 percent success rate in field tests, system designer Uzi Rubin told Israel's Army Radio.

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    "It's always undergoing changes and improvements, as well as adaptations to new threats," Rubin said.

    Iran on Saturday unveiled a new short-range missile which it said was capable of striking land and sea targets. Syria, for its part, last month went public with its chemical arsenal, saying it was intended for last-resort use against "external aggression".

    Tehran also has Islamist guerrilla allies in Lebanon and Gaza who could shell neighboring Israel during any regional conflict. Their short-range rocket arsenals have been expanding and improving as well, the senior Israeli defense official said.

    Having helped underwrite Arrow, the Americans were free to draw on its technologies for their own uses, the official said.

    "The policy of the (Israeli) Ministry of Defense is to provide all data to the U.S., for the security of the U.S., including on targets, interceptors, radars and command and control," the official said.

    With Congress also lavishing cash on Iron Dome, some U.S. lawmakers have called on Israel to share that system, too.

    The Israeli official said that though Iron Dome was different to Arrow as it was developed entirely by Israel, the current policy was to provide the Americans data upon request while a more permanent arrangement is negotiated.

    In parallel to Arrow II, Israel is developing Arrow III, which is due to be operational in 2014 or 2015. Unlike previous generations of the interceptor, Arrow III will engage incoming missiles in space, using detachable warheads that, turning into "kamikaze" satellites, will seek out and slam into the target.

    Israel is also working on a more powerful rocket interceptor than Iron Dome, known as David's Sling or Magic Wand, which is due out next year. Meshed together and with U.S. counterparts, the three Israeli systems would form a multi-tier shield providing several opportunities to intercept incoming missiles.

    (Adiitional reporting by Yeganeh Torbati in Dubai, Writing by Dan Williams; Editing by Anthony Boadle and Rosalind Russell)
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    Their is nothing going to happen. Israelis and Iranians are playing games i am thinking

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wattan View Post
    Their is nothing going to happen. Israelis and Iranians are playing games i am thinking
    Wattan your previous comments prove to all of us you have a vendetta against Iran. Shame on you if anything it is the Saudis that are complicit with Israel
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    Israeli voices on Iran worrisome: Labor party leader


    Israeli Labor Party leader Shelly Yechimovich


    Israeli Labor Party leader Shelly Yechimovich says reports coming from offices of prime minister and minister for military affairs about Iran are worrisome.


    "Of course, the political realm must make this decision. That said, when the heads of the armed forces, past and present, express strong opposition [to Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu's strategy,] the lack of attention to their recommendations borders on the irresponsible," she said on Friday.

    "The danger from Iran is indeed real, but it is a strategic mistake to turn this issue into one that is exclusively an Israeli problem," she added.

    She noted that involving in a conflict with the US government is another big mistake.

    All know that all options are on the table but the time is not right now to choose the most dangerous option, Yechimovich pointed out.


    Washington and Tel Aviv have repeatedly threatened Tehran with a military strike to force it to halt its nuclear energy program, claimed by the duo to have been directed towards the acquisition of military nuclear capability.

    Tehran, however, refutes such allegations as “baseless” and maintains that as a signatory to the nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty and a member of the International Atomic Energy Agency it has every right to develop and acquire nuclear technology for peaceful purposes.

    Iranian officials have also promised a crushing response to any military strike against the country, warning that any such measure could result in a war that would spread beyond the Middle East.

    PressTV - Israeli voices on Iran worrisome: Labor party leader
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    Israel needs to wake up and smell the coffee --- any attack on Iran would mean retaliation big time ---peace is best.
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    Isreal is about the equal pain in the ass as america except they arent on thier own island.
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    israel is never going to attack iran,
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    Israeli speculation over Iran strike reaches fever pitch

    In the past few days, the Israeli public has been hit by a blizzard of speculative articles suggesting a military strike against Iran's nuclear sites is imminent.

    The talk is now of a timetable of weeks, rather than months and some observers believe that Israel will act in the run-up to the US presidential election – at a time when it could be difficult and damaging for President Obama to withhold his backing in the face of a hawkish and vehemently pro-Israel opponent, Mitt Romney, who has already indicated his support for unilateral action by the Jewish state.

    On Tuesday an article in Ma'ariv suggested that Netanyahu and Barak have set a deadline of 25 September for Obama to clearly state that the US itself will take military action. The date is the opening of the UN general assembly in New York, and also the eve of Yom Kippur, one of the most significant dates in the Jewish calendar.

    The implication is that, in the absence of a public declaration, Israel will press on with its own plans to strike at the Iranian nuclear programme.

    But it was two articles last Friday that kicked off the current storm. Writing in Israel's biggest-selling daily, Yedioth Ahronoth, Nahum Barnea and Simon Shiffer, both respected commentators, said: "Insofar as it depends on Binyamin Netanyahu and Ehud Barak, an Israeli military strike on the nuclear facilities in Iran will take place in these coming autumn months, before the US elections in November."

    But, it pointed out: "There is not a single senior official in the establishment - neither among the [Israeli Defence Forces] top brass nor in the security branches, or even the president - who supports an Israeli strike at the moment."

    Nevertheless, Netanyahu and Barak are determined, according to the authors. Despite US assurances that President Obama is committed to stopping the Iranian nuclear programme, "Netanyahu assessed that this was empty talk. That Obama will not take action. Barak was less confrontational, but his conclusion was similar. He said that Israel could not entrust its security in the hands of a foreign state... The US can live with a nuclear Iran. Israel cannot."

    On Monday morning, Barnea reported that he and Shiffer had been "bombarded with phone calls from people who asked if it was time to hide in the bomb shelters" over the weekend.

    Barak is also widely assumed to be the "decision maker", the anonymous key figure whose views were spread over two pages of Haaretz's weekend magazine on Friday. This thinly disguised figure said that time was running out to act against the Iranian nuclear programme, and the "immunity zone" - the point when key components of the programme are beyond reach in deep bunkers - was approaching.

    According to the decision maker: "As the Iranians continue to fortify their nuclear sites and disperse them and accumulate uranium, the moment is approaching when Israel will not be able to do anything. For the Americans, the Iranians are not yet approaching the immunity zone - because the Americans have much larger bombers and bombs, and the ability to repeat the operation a whole number of times. But for us, Iran could soon enter the immunity zone. And when that happens, it means putting a matter that is vital to our survival in the hands of the United States. Israel cannot allow this to happen. It cannot place the responsibility for its security and future in the hands of even its best and most loyal friend."

    Added into the mix was a much-quoted comment, made by Mossad chief Ehraim Halevy, to the New York Times the week before, in which he said: "If I was an Iranian, I would be very fearful of the next 12 weeks."

    It's possible that the single short quote was taken from a long, measured interview, but it should be assumed that Halevy understood that his words would have impact.

    He was swiftly followed by another former intelligence chief, Aharon Zeevi Farkash, former head of military intelligence in the IDF, who said: "It seems to me that [an Israeli attack] could come in the near future," that is, weeks or a couple of months."

    Despite the rising decibels, a decision by Netanyahu and Barak to take Israel into a war against the advice of current and former military and intelligence bigwigs, and against the opposition of most of the cabinet, would be an enormous political risk, even leaving aside the military, security and diplomatic consequences

    Former prime minister Ehud Olmert was the latest public figure to throw in his cautionary tuppence-worth, in a speech on Sunday. He said: "There is no reason whatsoever for Israel to act in the near future, not in the coming weeks and not in the coming months... We do not have to be hysterical. We have to calm down.... I am part of the circle that believes that Israel can not allow Iran to obtain nuclear weapons. The question is, how do we proceed with this?... This process must be made in full compliance with the international community."

    What about the Israeli public? According to an opinion poll in Ma'ariv last Friday, 41% believe that sanctions and diplomacy alone will not stop the Iranians developing a nuclear bomb. Twenty-two percent retained their faith in sanctions and diplomacy; 37% didn't know.

    A subsequent series of questions showed that most people hope for US involvement in military action, and believe it will be forthcoming.

    But if it comes to "the latest possible date that Israel can seriously harm the Iranian nuclear programme on its own", 35% said Israel should go it alone, 39% said leave it to the US and international community, and 26% said they didn't know.

    Four out of 10 said they trusted the judgment of Netanyahu and Barak on this issue, compared with 27% who answered in the negative.

    There are still those who believe Netanyahu and Barak are playing a dangerous game of bluff aimed at forcing America's hand. But, for now, those who believe Israel is heading towards war are speaking with louder voices.

    Israeli speculation over Iran strike reaches fever pitch | World news | guardian.co.uk
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    Netanyahu is des[erate to have a war and trying to force the US into another war. The results would be catastrophic. Iran is no Afghanistan. China Russia and others would not allow this to happen and furthermore the consequences for Israel would be not worth thinking about ...... if i was Israeli and thank the lord i am not.

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