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    Cameron attacks 'despicable' Iran over missile shipments

    Cameron attacks 'despicable' Iran over missile shipments as he pledges support for Israel

    David Cameron has condemned Iran's "despicable" attempt to ship missiles for use against Israel, as he pledged to stand shoulder-to-shoulder with the country in the face of terrorism.

    Mr Cameron told Israel's Knesset he had no illusions about the hostile nature of the Iranian regime and said he would give no inch to "amateur politicians" in Britain who are calling for a boycott of Israeli goods.

    He attacked the United Nations for "lecturing" Israel about human rights more than regimes such as North Korea and called for Britain to have the "strongest and deepest possible" relationship with the country.

    In a speech peppered with colloquial Hebrew, Mr Cameron paid lengthy and warm tribute to the country's history, saying he had learnt he has a Jewish ancestor, but it is the issues of policy that will delight Israeli parliamentarians.

    Advocates for the country in Britain were keen that Mr Cameron show he had not been "fooled" by Iran's participation in nuclear weapons talks, acknowledge Israel's security fears, condemn boycotts and acknowledge the country's identity as a Jewish state - all areas Mr Cameron touched on.

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    Ya'alon shifts stance, leans toward Israeli operation in Iran

    Based on his evaluation that the United States isn’t going to do anything to frustrate the Iranian nuclear program, Defense Minister Moshe Ya’alon said Monday he’s changed his mind and now leans toward supporting unilateral Israeli action against Iran.

    “We had thought the ones who should lead the campaign against Iran is the United States,” said Ya’alon, speaking during an event at Tel Aviv University. “But at some stage the United States entered into negotiations with them, and unhappily, when it comes to negotiating at a Persian bazaar, the Iranians were better.”

    If Israel had hoped others would do the job for it, this is not about to happen, Ya’alon said: “Therefore, on this matter, we have to behave as though we have nobody to look out for us but ourselves.”

    His words attest to a sea-change in his attitude regarding how Israel should contend with the Iranian nuclear program. Under the previous government, Ya’alon had led the opposition in the security cabinet to a solo Israeli attack on Iran, even exchanging sharp words on the issue with the defense minister at the time, Ehud Barak. Ya’alon had taken the position that “the work of righteous men shall be done by others” – meaning the United States should be the one to attack Iran’s nuclear facilities.

    Evidently he longer believes this is going to happen, and is nearing the position of Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, who signals the belief that Israel should be behaving as though it’s on its own, right now.


    Ya’alon was sharply critical on Monday of Washington’s behavior regarding Iran, even hinting that U.S. President Barack Obama would prefer to pass the hot potato to his successor at the White House. “People know that Iran cheats,” Ya’alon said. “But comfortable Westerners prefer to put off confrontation. If possible, to next year, or the next president. But in the end, it will blow up.”

    From Iran being “on its knees” thanks to economic pressure and onerous diplomatic isolation, from fearing an internal eruption and military threat, Iran cleverly led a “smile offensive,” Ya’alon said, extracting itself from crisis.

    “There have been delays in the nuclear program, but the [interim] agreement [signed between Iran and the superpowers in Geneva] is very convenient for the Iranians,” Ya’alon said. “They’re settling down at the threshold and can decide when to make the breakthrough to a nuclear bomb.”

    Ya’alon’s criticism of Obama’s foreign policy didn’t stop with Iran. The minister repeated a number of times during his address that Washington has been showing weakness everywhere in the world. “The moderate Sunni camp in the area expected the United States to support it, and to be firm, like Russia’s support for the Shi’ite axis,” Ya’alon said. “I heard voices of disappointment in the region. I was in Singapore and heard disappointment about China getting stronger and the U.S. getting weaker. Look what’s happening in Ukraine, where the United States is demonstrating weakness, unfortunately.”

    If the American government persists in demonstrating weakness on the international front, the United States’ own national security will be badly damaged, Ya’alon said. “If you sit and wait at home, the terrorism will come again,” he said. “Even if you hunker down, it will come. This is a war of civilizations. If your image is feebleness, it doesn’t pay in the world. Nobody will replace the United States as global policeman. I hope the United States comes to its senses. If it doesn’t, it will challenge the world order, and the United States is the one that will suffer.”

    Discussing the relations between Israel and the United States on the security and diplomatic fronts, Ya’alon said that U.S. military aid to Israel needs to be “seen in proportion”.

    “It isn’t a favor America is doing, it’s in their interest,” he said. Israel not only takes from Washington, the minister added — it also gives. “They get quality intelligence and technology,” he said. “We invented Iron
    Dome. The wings of the F-35 stealth fighter – we invented. We invented the Arrow,” an anti-ballistic missile.
    Ya’alon also took aim at the Israeli left, implying that Justice Minister Tzipi Livni was encouraging international elements to apply pressure to Israel. “We have a serious problem of self-accusation,” he said. “There are circles where Israelis and Arabs meet. The Arabs accuse the Jews and the Jews accuse themselves.”

    Hinting plainly at Livni, Ya’alon said, “There are elements within the government that have lost their equilibrium, and blame us” for the failure of negotiations with the Palestinians. “They say, why are we building? [Settlements.] Why don’t we give more? Then it becomes very convenient for everybody outside to pounce on us. We have too much self-accusation, which attracts fire, and causes people to press us and demand concessions.”

    http://www.haaretz.com/news/diplomac...emium-1.580421

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    Israel gears up for possible unilateral strike on Iran

    JERUSALEM: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and defence minister Moshe Ya'alon have ordered the military to continue preparations for a possible strike on Iran's nuclear facilities during 2014, a media report here said.

    The Israel Defense Forces allocated up to NIS 12 billion ($3.5 billion), nearly a fifth of its budget this year, for preparations for a possible unilateral strike on Iran, approximately the same amount invested last year, reported Xinhua citing Israeli daily Ha'aretz Wednesday.

    The figure was presented by top officers who briefed the joint committee in January and February on the military's plans, said the lawmakers who spoke to Ha'aretz requesting anonymity.

    They said that some of their colleagues who were present at the meetings asked the officers whether it was justified to continue pouring billions into the preparations to strike Iran, citing the interim nuclear agreement inked between Tehran and the six powers last November, and the ongoing negotiations aimed at reaching a final accord.

    The officers replied that the military had received a "clear directive" from the political echelon, meaning Netanyahu and Ya' alon, to continue training for a possible independent strike, the report said.

    It was regardless of the diplomatic efforts to resolve the Iranian issue peacefully, it added.

    The second round of nuclear talks was launched in Vienna Tuesday, with European Union foreign policy chief Catherine Ashton and Iran's Foreign Minister Mohammed Zarif in attendance.

    The newspaper noted that both Netanyahu and Ya'alon have strongly indicated in recent months that Israel, which views a nuclear-armed Iran as an existential threat, has not abandoned the military option.

    http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/w...w/32334777.cms

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    US military chief: Israel believes US would strike Iran if need arises

    'I think they are satisfied that we have the capability to use a military option if the Iranians choose to stray off the diplomatic path,' Gen. Martin Dempsey says.

    Israel and the United States have reached a general understanding regarding the Iranian threat to the Middle East, said the top American general, USA Today reported on Tuesday.

    "I think they are satisfied that we have the capability to use a military option if the Iranians choose to stray off the diplomatic path," said Gen. Martin Dempsey of the Israeli officials he met.

    "I think they are satisfied we have the capability. I think they believe we will use it," he emphasized.

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    Gen. Dempsey, the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, recently returned from a two-day visit to Israel to discuss regional security issues and cooperation between Israel and the US.

    He met with with a number of Israeli officials including his counterpart, IDF Chief of Staff Lt.-Gen. Benny Gantz, and Defense Minister Moshe Ya'alon.

    After weeks of political tension between the two close allies, set off by a number of controversial remarks against Secretary of State John Kerry uttered by Ya'alon, the visit was a chance to assure the close cooperation between the two defense establishments remained unmarred by politics.

    Dempsey admitted the two allies have not always agreed on the threat assessment of Iran and the American role in stopping the Islamic Republic from manufacturing nuclear weapons, but said Israel and the US were much closer in their appraisal of the situation.

    "Our clocks are more harmonized than they were two years ago," said Dempsey, "They just wanted to know that we are maintaining and continuing to refine our military options."

    Some of the tension between the two came to light after the US and other world powers negotiated an interim agreement with Iran in which sanctions would be softened if Tehran took agreed-upon steps to control its nuclear program.

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    Israel’s Iran bluster won’t unnerve Obama

    Between optimism and pessimism stands ‘cautious optimism’ in the lexicon of diplomacy.

    But ‘relative optimism’? Yet, Russia’s Deputy Foreign Minister Sergey Rybakov, one of the sharpest minds in the Moscow diplomatic armory, would have weighed his words with care and ingenuity when he remarked on Tuesday following the 2-day talks of the P5+1 and Iran talks in Muscat, Oman, that he is “relatively optimistic” about a nuclear treaty being concluded by the November 24 deadline. He added: “The glass is half full; (but) it’s not half empty.”

    What Rybakov had in mind was that despite the apparent slow progress at Oman and the looming deadline, there could still be an Iran deal by November 24. The odds favor a deal , because when the glass appears half empty and yet is not half empty, there could be see-through substances in it, which only experienced diplomats can spot.

    Iran’s FM reinforced this enigma when he counseled media persons to be patient for another week. Further talks are due to take place in Geneva next Tuesday.

    Unsurprisingly, the US’ Gulf allies are in a state of panic that an Iran nuclear deal is about to be concluded, sceptical reports in the western media notwithstanding. Saudi establishment commentators (here and here) are voicing extreme nervousness and anger.

    The impression in Israel too is that come November 24, there is going to be an Iran deal. The Israeli government is circling the wagons already. The Jerusalem Post newspaper reported that Israel has a three-pronged strategy — one, to reject out of hand whatever deal is negotiated which stops short of Iran surrendering its rights to enrich uranium; two, mobilize the Israeli lobby in Washington to raise all hell and get the US Congressmen to block the deal by all means; and, three, to renew the threat to use unilateral military force against Iran.

    Israel is desperately pinning hopes that Iran’s Supreme Leader just might refuse to approve a comprehensive deal that involves the ‘Great Satan’ [US]. (JP report is here.)

    Even without the prodding by the Israeli lobby, the Republicans in the Congress are plotting to derail an any Iran deal that may be negotiated by the US administration. The heart of the matter is that they wouldn’t like President Barack Obama to claim a policy legacy and would go to any extent to deny him such a privilege. Their shenanigans make hilarious reading.

    What stands out in all this is the dysfunctional American political system. Who’s afraid of a peace treaty? Peace is a thousand times better than war. And in this case, normalization of relations with Iran immensely helps the US to advance its regional policies in the Middle East on several fronts.
    The irrationality of the ‘rejectionist’ camp is apparent in its insistence that the US should not take the help of Iran under any circumstances in tackling such security challenges as the islamic State — when it is so evident that the Shi’ite militia supported by Iran are doing a masterly job already on their own to counter the Salafi-jihadist threat.

    The surprising part is that even American think tanks are taking a partisan approach on the Iran question — as if they are paid to serve Israeli interests rather than preserve the US’ national interests.

    Despite this dismal scene, what are Obama’s prospects of steering an Iran deal through the implementation stage, which will overlap with the remaining two years of his presidency? The prospects are, actually, good.

    First, his foreign-policy record shows that he is largely impervious to the Republican criticism of him being ‘weak’ and ‘ineffectual’ — eg., Syria’s nuclear weapons, support of ‘moderate’ Syrian opposition, supply of weapons to Ukraine, troop drawdown from Afghanistan, upheaval in Egypt, etc. — and has got away with doing things pretty much his own way.

    Obama is acutely conscious that an Iran deal carries the imprimatur of his presidency and will be a historic achievement and ultimately it will have acceptance in the American opinion..

    Second, he understands that the US’ choices are limited on the Iran question and when the choice is between implementing the deal or attacking Iran militarily, his detractors in the political establishment cannot afford to be seen as proponents of another big war in the Middle East.
    Third, the international opinion overwhelmingly favors an Iran deal and the integration of that country with the world community. This opinion is very vehement in Europe. In sum, the US faces isolation by identifying with the Gulf Arab states and Israel.

    Fourth, a collapse of the Iran talks will send the entire Middle East region into spin as latent animosities flare up and the plain truth is that the US today doesn’t have the capacity or influence to shore up regional security on its own steam. In fact, Obama is making a virtue out of necessity by negotiating an Iran deal.

    All said, the American president enjoys vast prerogatives to conduct foreign policies. Obama’s executive powers remain substantial to begin implementing an Iran nuclear deal. Once the multilateral sanctions regimes — by European Union, UN Security Council, etc. — get dismantled, a new dynamics takes over.

    In fact, the sanctions against Iran are already becoming unsustainable. (After all, Obama discussed Iran, finally, with his Russian counterpart on the sidelines of the APEC Summit at Beijing.)
    Of course, this is a high stakes game for Israel. An Iran settlement will deprive Israel of the alibi for scuttling the Palestine issue. Israel is afraid that once an Iran settlement is reached, the US will come under compulsion to address the core issue of Palestine.

    However, when push comes to shove, Israel lacks the capability to stage a military attack on Iran. The Israeli leadership would know that Iran has the capability to retaliate and make the cost of any adventurism to be very prohibitive. Suffice it to say, Israel’s bluster will only get exposed in the coming weeks and months.

    On balance, therefore, Rybakov’s “relative optimism” is justified. Moscow is already looking ahead in anticipation of forging a full-fledged strategic relationship with an Iran that has shaken off the Albatross of international sanctions. That is the meaning of the deal signed in Moscow on Tuesday whereby Russia will construct eight more nuclear reactor units in Iran further to the Bushehr plant.
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    By M K Bhadrakumar – November 12, 2014

    http://blogs.rediff.com/mkbhadrakuma...unnerve-obama/

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    After Gaza report, Israel is losing its clout on Iran

    Israel isn’t free to deal with the Iranian threat right now, because a far more dangerous threat is hovering over it – the UN Human Rights Council’s report on last summer’s war with Hamas in Gaza.


    Next Tuesday, the dialogue Iran has been conducting with the Western powers for about 18 months now is slated to end in the signing of a permanent nuclear agreement. The assessment is that even if the signing has to be postponed by a few days, a deal is certain.

    And at this very moment, when the most important strategic move in the Middle East of the last four decades is on the verge of completion, Israel is keeping mum. Has anyone heard about the Iranian threat recently? Has anyone spoken about the nuclear agreement or its implications?

    Israel isn’t free to deal with the Iranian threat right now, because a far more dangerous threat is hovering over it – the UN Human Rights Council’s report on last summer’s war with Hamas in Gaza. We can scream that this is anti-Israel or anti-Semitic propaganda, declare that we won’t even bother to read it or point to benighted regimes like those of North Korea, Syria and Iran in order to bewail the UN’s hypocrisy, but the fact is that it’s not the report, but the operation that revealed the darkest urges a country can possibly reveal in its behavior toward civilians.

    Incidentally, the report actually showed great mercy to Israel in that it didn’t compare it to those other countries, but treated it as a respectable country, one expected to comply with international law and the laws of war.

    The UN report not only rips to shreds the false marketing slogan that depicts the Israel Defense Forces as the most moral army in the world, but also scrutinizes Israel and Hamas as if they were equivalent: fighters versus fighters, civilians versus civilians. But the biggest problem for Israel isn’t the question of whether the report is balanced or tilted; Israel’s handicap lies in the fact that both its leadership and its public see the report, and not the reasons for its writing – that is, Operation Protective Edge – as the root of the evil.

    Two reports, that of the UN and the one produced by Israel, are now fighting a duel. The first represents the way the world sees Israel, and the second represents the way it sees itself. And this is the source of Israelis’ enormous anger over the UN report. Ostensibly, this is a battle over images, over preserving the broken mirror that always told Israel it was “the fairest of them all,” that its policies are just and that it is governed by “Jewish morality.”

    But beyond this important battle over Israel’s image, which is being waged under the threat of the recommendation to indict Israel in the International Criminal Court, the report must be read as if it were a report by the state comptroller. Admittedly, it deals only with the terrifying symptoms that were revealed by Operation Protective Edge, but it necessitates a root canal that will provide answers to the hard questions – starting from the decision-making process that led to launching the operation, continuing through the way it was carried out and ending with Israel’s security doctrine.

    This doctrine is based on the assumption that Israel is always in existential danger, and that its only source of strength is the IDF. In Israel’s view, there’s no difference between Hamas and Hezbollah, or between the Palestinian Authority and Iran. All are existential threats, and the IDF can and should be used against all of them.

    The problem is that Israel sought to obtain legitimacy to conduct these wars not only from its own citizens, but also from the rest of the world. And then suddenly, along comes this report and threatens to remove it from the family of nations. According to the report, the same Israel that managed to mobilize the world against Iran and that persuaded it of the need to see Hamas and Hezbollah as terrorist organizations has itself become a gangster that the international community must rein in.

    Such a country can no longer charm the world with its beautiful blue eyes. It will have trouble persuading anyone that Iran is a threat, or that the emerging nuclear deal with it endangers our existence. Even Israel’s friends are starting to smell the stench it gives off.

    On second thought, Gaza really has become an existential threat to Israel. Not, however, because of Hamas, but because of those 1,462 civilians, one third of them children, memorialized in the UN report

    http://www.haaretz.com/opinion/.premium-1.662629

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    Netanyahu Slams UN for ‘Deafening Silence’ on Iranian Threats to Wipe Out Israel

    To emphasize his point, he stopped talking for 40 seconds.
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    October 1, 2015 - 11:20 am


    In his speech before the United Nations General Assembly in New York on Thursday, Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu chided the world body for its Israel-bashing and its silence about Iran’s constant threats to destroy Israel.
    To emphasize his point, he stopped talking for 40 seconds, resulting in an uncomfortable silence:





    Netanyahu said the nuclear deal “will not turn the rapacious tiger into a kitten.” He added: “You must have learned … when bad behavior is rewarded, it only gets worse.”

    That line drew a smattering of applause from the General Assembly — but not from the U.S. delegation, which sat stone-faced:


    Below, some more passages from the speech:


    “The greatest danger facing our world is the coupling of militant Islam with nuclear weapons,” he said. The deal with Iran could be “the marriage certificate of this unholy union,” he added.
    “Perhaps you’d be more reluctant to celebrate,” if the deal threatened your neighborhood, Netanyahu said, adding that Iran’s intercontinental ballistic missiles being built were meant for the U.S. and Europe. “For raining down mass destruction, anytime, anywhere.”

    No one should doubt Israel’s determination to defend itself against those who threaten it with destruction, he warned.

    “Your plan to destroy Israel will fail,” he said, addressing the rulers of Iran. No force on earth will threaten Israel’s future. We will do whatever it takes to defend our state and our people, he added.

    “Here’s a novel idea. Instead of continuing the shameful routine of bashing Israel, stand with Israel. Israel stands with you.”

    UN-imposed solutions or encouragement of Palestinian rejectionism will not bring peace, he said. “The UN should finally rid itself of the obsessive bashing of Israel.”

    He called on the UN to stand with Israel in the fight against fanaticism, saying that Israel was at the frontlines in the fight against barbarism. “Israel is defending you.”
    “Real peace cannot ever happen while the world allows itself to be taken hostage by lies.” — Elder of Ziyon

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    Netanyahu is spitting fire. His masters have given him the cold shoulder hence he is barking like a mad dog.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pak92 View Post
    Netanyahu is spitting fire. His masters have given him the cold shoulder hence he is barking like a mad dog.
    You've got that backwards, that's for sure. If you've ever watched the heads-of-state speeches at the U.N. you'd see many that count as barking mad dogs - Qaddafi was the first that came to my mind. They talk and throw out the wildest accusations and never shut up. By contrast, Netanyahu made his accusations and then paused. No one spoke to fill the silence because there was nothing they could say in response - not without incriminating themselves.
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    Hypocritical bastar. Israel is built on stolen land and must be returned to their rightful owners. He can bark as much as he wants. People are ignoring the lying dog

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    Quote Originally Posted by Greenstar View Post
    Hypocritical bastar. Israel is built on stolen land -
    Pickles and bits. You're just regurgitating the pap fed to you by your Pakistani teachers, who are compelled to do so by the State and are too ignorant to know better or too proud to admit they are oppressed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solomon2 View Post
    Pickles and bits. You're just regurgitating the pap fed to you by your Pakistani teachers, who are compelled to do so by the State and are too ignorant to know better or too proud to admit they are oppressed.
    Take a look in the mirror and talk to yourself.
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    Take a look in the mirror and talk to yourself.
    I suppose it must be a comfort to you to think of Israel and Zionists as at least as bad as the Muslims seen tearing up the Middle East and South Asia today. However, that's a total lie. Just as individuals are not equally good or bad, neither are collections of individuals and the nations they form. One can judge nations by their choices, and Pakistan chooses to embrace lies and hate and domination while Israel embraces peace, coexistence, and self-determination.
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    You've got that backwards, that's for sure. If you've ever watched the heads-of-state speeches at the U.N. you'd see many that count as barking mad dogs - Qaddafi was the first that came to my mind. They talk and throw out the wildest accusations and never shut up. By contrast, Netanyahu made his accusations and then paused. No one spoke to fill the silence because there was nothing they could say in response - not without incriminating themselves.
    He paused because he is a drama queen and craves attention
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    If indeed it is a contingency plan to allow and enable Israel to attack Iran, more than likely through Arabia and Turkiye, or from any other route, for Iran to be caught unprepared and to not ensure that it will be the last time the Israeli will ever mount aggression on any Muslim majority country would be be criminal -- there is no point in this he said she said between Israel and others - Prepare for Israeli aggression and ensure that you have the means and the will to end it, forever. This advice does to suggest that Iran should be bellicose or belligerent, but self assured, planning for the attack that is bound to come, whether through the Wahabi or the Ikhwani proxies of the Israeli, who in turn act on behalf of "Western Civilization" - simply shut up and prepare, every moment of everyday prepare, not just to defend, but to extinguish the sources of the threat, forever.

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    If indeed it is a contingency plan to allow and enable Israel to attack Iran, more than likely through Arabia and Turkiye, or from any other route, for Iran to be caught unprepared and to not ensure that it will be the last time the Israeli will ever mount aggression on any Muslim majority country would be be criminal -- there is no point in this he said she said between Israel and others - Prepare for Israeli aggression and ensure that you have the means and the will to end it, forever. This advice does to suggest that Iran should be bellicose or belligerent, but self assured, planning for the attack that is bound to come, whether through the Wahabi or the Ikhwani proxies of the Israeli, who in turn act on behalf of "Western Civilization" - simply shut up and prepare, every moment of everyday prepare, not just to defend, but to extinguish the sources of the threat, forever.
    Sir can you really see either of these nations having the desire or in fact guts to attack Iran? I cannot see this.

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    Sir can you really see either of these nations having the desire or in fact guts to attack Iran? I cannot see this.
    I don't think it helps us to think in terms of "desire or guts" - both want to see Iran diminished, cut down to size if you will, because Iran is not just a geo-political and geo-strategic rival, it is also a rival in terms of "Religious truth" and therefore a threat to the foundation of "legitimacy" in the case of Saudi Arabia most definitely and since the AKP is now more than ever, allied to Saudi Arabia and their "patrons", I think we can make a very convincing case that Iran can or may be attacked from those two directions - But my point really was that Iran are not in a good place, certainly not with regard to their Air Force, Navy, Army and if I may add, their internal security/Counter Intelligence has been infiltrated - I would bring to your attention the cyber attacks, and especially the policy of assassinating Iranian scientists and the curious incidents of air crashes in which very many high ranking Iranian military officials have perished. Iranians should offer the world less of the fist and focus more training, planning, building, procuring and securing, followed by more rigorous training and better organized civilian defense.

    The Saudi, the Israeli and US are not done with the Iranian - even if the nuclear deal survives a year or two, the Iranian, as well as any Muslim majority country that does not fall in line with US policy and "Israel's security" compulsions, are in for a very rough ride in the foreseeable future - the nuclear deal will be under constant attack, then as you will have noted, there is the revival of "state sponsor of terrorism" with which the Iranian tarred and feathered, and of course the economic sanctions will continue to be a club to use against the Iranian. It will not have gone unnoticed by you that the Iranian have have not changed their essentially "Western" orientation, for instance, you will have noted that the Iranian has in no way organized the economy or even essential elements of the economy, to be focused away from Western economies, I find that terribly interesting, is it a door they want ot leave open in the "hope" that the West will cease being the West or is it incompetence?
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    Re: Upcoming Israel-Iran conflict

    Quote Originally Posted by Nabeel View Post
    Sir can you really see either of these nations having the desire or in fact guts to attack Iran? I cannot see this.
    Lets hope this is the case. I think the dogs will continue to bark.

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