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    Re: Pakistan US relations

    The more change effected the less change on the ground

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    The more change effected the less change on the ground
    Actually in one significant way things have changed is that regardless of the laundry list of what the US or Pakistan have done for each other, US cannot catch a break in Pakistan, it literally is no country for any US type or any US type idea. The US says we have good relations and uses both India and Afghanistan to terrorize Pakistan in to toeing the line, however, the cost to any Pakistani politician or political party toeing the US line is a public rejection, and so both Pakistan and the US lose out.

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    Say it ain't so - to know you is to mistrust you?? Ok, lets try again, to know you is to fail you? lets take a break, before we try that "to know each other" stuff, cuz it's exhausting and it just feels "wrong":





    Knowing each other
    Moeed Yusuf
    Published Nov 03, 2015

    The writer is a foreign policy expert based in Washington, DC

    THE Pakistan-US partnership is a truly complex one. The more you parse, the murkier the picture gets. With one exception: the constant tendency of both sides to continue talking past each other. It is remarkable how two countries that have worked together so intimately at multiple levels can be so incapable of (or unwilling to) interpreting each other’s signals accurately.

    Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s recent visit to Washington provides a perfect example of how this plays out in reality. I intentionally didn’t write on this topic before the premier’s trip. In retrospect, I should have — if only to highlight how obvious it was to a neutral observer that things would come to a head unless both sides recognised that they were misperceiving each other’s asks, and therefore expecting the impossible.

    Till early summer, preparatory conversations seemed to be going according to plan. Pakistan and the US were finally converging on Afghanistan; there was light at the end of the tunnel on the nuclear issue; the US had urged the Modi government to continue dialogue with Pakistan; etc.

    It started to unravel thereafter. Both sides felt the other promised certain deliverables but then surreptitiously changed goal posts and backed out.

    Take the discussions on the nuclear deal for example. The US wanted Pakistan to agree to curbs on its nuclear arsenal in return for a conversation about a Nuclear Suppliers’ Group waiver. Pakistan wanted the announcement of a waiver within a set time frame in return for a conversation about the size of its programme, but with no intent to limit it any time soon. Not for a second did either side believe they were signaling the flexibility the other was perceiving. Yet, somehow, both genuinely felt that they were making progress.

    The mismatch of expectations was even starker on Afghanistan. Since late-2014, Pakistan had worked to get the Afghan Taliban to the negotiating table. Pakistani officials would tell you that this was Kabul and Washington’s key demand. In Washington, policymakers disagreed, arguing the ISI was still backing the Haqqanis and that they had communicated that Pakistan needed to stop the Taliban and Haqqani network from contributing to violence in Afghanistan. Yet, both sides pretended they were working off the same script.

    Some argue that these misperceptions allowed for uncharacteristically candid conversations in Washington during the prime minister’s visit. Perhaps. But this means nothing if the two sides will continue failing to absorb each other’s intended messages. The concern applies to each key security issue discussed.

    First, Kashmir’s specific mention in the Obama-Sharif joint statement surprised many. The Pakistani side saw it as a success. But I cringe when I see pundits spinning it as a vindication of Pakistan’s position. To avoid another heartbreak, Pakistan must be clear: the US wants India and Pakistan to continue talking and it will push Delhi to that extent. But there isn’t a single notable voice in Washington that supports a US role in Kashmir, or believes that anything but the status quo can be the solution. This isn’t about to change.

    On Afghanistan, Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif made a rather candid statement during his speech at the US Institute of Peace, his last stop in Washington. He categorically ruled out a military solution and argued that Pakistan “cannot bring them [the Taliban] to the table and kill them at the same time”. Decode it keeping in mind that the statement was made in front of a Washington policy audience a day after the official joint statement had rehearsed the US demand that Pakistan force a stop to Taliban and Haqqani activities, and you should be able to grasp the real message: Pakistan will bring these groups to the table but it shall not go after them militarily, period. Judging by the post-visit statements from Washington however, there seems to be a keenness to hold Pakistan to the formulation in the joint statement. Even more worrying is the continued hope that Pakistan will deliver on this count.

    Finally, the nuclear discussions were a flop. Both sides are peeved and may feel that putting this conversation in cold storage for now is the best option. Not so. Because the status quo doesn’t help anyone in this case. Instead, they need to continue talking but candidly lay out their red lines even if this will only confirm the major disconnect in their positions. They will at least know what they have to work with.

    Pakistani and American interests in South Asia suffer from fundamental divergences — since 9/11
    . However, the two sides have skirted this reality by kicking the can down the road. This tendency is to blame for their mistrust and communication gap. A better option would be to have honest conversations on the divergences so that they can discover just how much sincere cooperation is possible on each of the key issues.

    The writer is a foreign policy expert based in Washington, DC.

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    Chapter XXX of :

    THE Pakistan-US partnership is a truly complex one. The more you parse, the murkier the picture gets. With one exception: the constant tendency of both sides to continue talking past each other. It is remarkable how two countries that have worked together so intimately at multiple levels can be so incapable of (or unwilling to) interpreting each other’s signals accurately.
    An editorial published today in the NYT, recognized as a mouthpiece of the US establishment, was titled : The Pakistan Nuclear Nightmare, it called for "international effort to ensure the Pakistani nuclear deterrent is capped and degraded ---- the piece below was published today in the DAWN newspaper, decide for yourself if these two are talking past each other or whether one or both are lying in public:






    COAS to share ideas with US on Afghanistan
    Baqir Sajjad Syed
    Nov 08, 2015

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    ISLAMABAD: Army chief Gen Raheel Sharif is expected to mainly Afghanistan during his coming visit to the United States.

    During his stay in the US, from Nov 15 to 20, the COAS will meet senior officials at the Pentagon and the State Department, according to officials making preparation for the visit.

    This will be the army chief’s second visit to Washington in a year. And it comes close on the heels of a visit to Washington by Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif last month when he discussed almost everything with President Barack Obama.

    But given the extent of the military’s influence in the country’s foreign affairs and security matters, people here believe that more substantive discussions would take place during the army chief’s US trip
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    One must also not lose sight of the fact that Gen Sharif himself requested for this visit. To put it in the words of a Washington-based source, it is not ‘a counterpart visit’.

    The request had been made before the prime minister toured Washington
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    But that does not mean that the yearning for a meeting is one-sided. American officials too are keen to meet a general who has successfully fought militancy at home and has looked willing to improve relations with Afghanistan.

    They see him as avery candid, clear and upright interlocutor”. (Muse Note: so basically everything Nawaz is not)

    Many of the times he says things that would otherwise look quite undiplomatic, but he conveys the reality,” said a source who sat in some of Gen Sharif’s meetings with US officials.

    He was last year awarded the US Legion of Merit for his contribution to “peace and security”.

    Gen Sharif, according to a well-placed source (ISPR?), would be discussing a wide range of security issues with the US officials, but the focus would be largely on Afghanistan, where the peace process between the Taliban and the Ghani government, which started in July, remains suspended.

    Moreover, he would discuss the stalemate in Pak-Afghan bilateral relations, which started after the breakdown of reconciliation talks following the disclosure about Mullah Omar’s death and has been preventing the two countries from working together for a peaceful settlement of the conflict in Afghanistan.

    The general could share his proposal about how the impasse in reconciliation process could be overcome.

    Both President Obama and Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif had after their White House meeting on Oct 22 called on the Taliban to enter direct talks with the Afghan government and work for a sustainable settlement.

    During his recent engagements with foreign leaders, the army chief had been underscoring the importance of a political settlement in Afghanistan, besides calling on “all stakeholders” to revive the reconciliation process.

    Speaking at the US Centcom’s Asia Security Conference in Germany, Gen Sharif had stressed that “perpetual instability in Afghanistan had telling effects on the region”.

    The Haqqani network would not be a major sticking point in the dialogue, said a source familiar with the thinking in Washington.

    The US had at least three months ago threatened to hold about $300 million in Coalition Support disbursements because it was not convinced that Pakistan was doing enough to disrupt the terrorist network.

    But, lately much has changed.

    Top US commander in Afghanistan Gen John Campbell in his testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee last month sounded more appreciative of Pakistani efforts even though he still pressed on Pakistan Army to do more against the Haqqani network.

    A source disclosed that the urgency about action against the Haqqani network was no longer there because the American side now had a “better understanding” of what Pakistan was doing and it also received “credible assurances” from Pakistan military.

    But, still the issue would be taken up by the American side, albeit with lesser emphasis, the source added.

    Gen Sharif would brief his American hosts about the progress made in the Zarb-i-Azb Operation since it was launched in North Waziristan in June last year.

    Pakistani security officials say the operation is in its last phase and 89 per cent of North Waziristan had been cleared of militants with the exception of a few pockets along the border with Afghanistan.


    Pakistani troops had commenced ground offensive in North Waziristan’s treacherous Shawal valley in August. According to military, the operation in Shawal was progressing well and most of the heights had been captured. But, the army does not give the timeframe for completion of the action.

    The army is, nevertheless, concerned about emergence of terrorist sanctuaries in the Afghan territory bordering North Waziristan. According to a senior military official, at least 16 TTP sanctuaries are developing along the border on the Afghan side. The sanctuaries can pose threat if not addressed, he warned.

    Gen Sharif in his meetings in the US would emphasise on stronger border management.

    American side would be interested in knowing how US could further assist in Pakistan Army’s counter-terrorism operations. (read, "How Much"?)

    The US has already indicated its willingness to sell eight F-16 fighter jets. About 14 combat aircraft, 59 military trainer jets and 374 armoured personnel carriers were earlier this year given by the US to Pakistan from its excess defense equipment inventories.
    (when the heck did this happen or is it that the US helped the Pakistanis with Jordanians and the Turks?)

    Gen Sharif and his interlocutors would also exchange views on the nuclear programme, particularly with regard to the continuing discussions about integrating Pakistan into nuclear mainstream and unabated tensions with India.

    As Gen Sharif prepares for Washington, President Obama’s adviser on South Asia Peter Lavoy is reaching Islamabad. It’s not clear if his visit was linked to the army chief’s trip, but he would definitely be discussing most of the issues that Gen Sharif had planned for Washington.

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    Maybe we should pay more attention to this visit than the Nawaz no event by a non entity

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    Pakistan needs better ties with US, says Qazi

    ISLAMABAD:
    A former ambassador has asked Pakistan to rationalise policies, improve governance and improve ties with the United States which has remained contingent.

    “Pakistan needs to have better relations with the US, in view of its economic and military importance at global level,” former ambassador Ashraf Jehangir Qazi said on Monday.

    An odd tale of US-Pakistani ties

    He was addressing a seminar on “Pak-US relationship in the changing world dynamics” organised by Sustainable Development Policy Institute (SDPI).

    “Pakistan needs to rationalise policies, improve governance and ensure welfare of the people in order to improve its international position,” he said.

    “US is an important country and is still world’s number one military and economic power with gross domestic product (GDP) around $18 trillion,” Qazi said.

    The current dynamic of US-Pakistan relations

    He said China was the only country followed by the US which has GDP of $9.24trillion, and has offered partnership with the US, while India was also improving its relationship with it, he added.

    He said bilateral trade between China and India has reached $80 billion, while that between Pakistan and China is $12 billion.

    The new Chinese generation knows India better than Pakistan due to software and information technology there, he added. He said Chinese businessmen preferred to go India instead of Pakistan, due to better business opportunities.

    “Now we have an opportunity in the form of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC),” Qazi said, adding that both countries were strategic partners. Gwadar Port was becoming an important strategic port in the region, he said.

    The vanilla visit

    The former ambassador said Pakistan has no problem in relationship with US and China at the same time.

    He said Pak-China cooperation in Gwadar and CPEC was worrying India which was trying to do trade through Chahbahar in cooperation with Iran.

    Killing of Osama Bin Laden in Pakistan by US special forces was lowest point in the history of this relationship, he said. After that the US forces actually attacked Pakistan’s post at Salala, which resulted in blockade of supply route to the US forces in Afghanistan, for several months.

    “The US is global neighbour and having good relationship with it was a necessity rather than a policy option,” he said. The relationship has been marred by putting India into the context, where Pakistan has always expected the US to exercise leverage in resolving Kashmir, he added.

    An uncertain future

    However, US military and economic cooperation with Pakistan was aimed at building bulwark, against the former Soviet Union, he said.

    He said relations with China and the US were not mutually exclusive. China is having good relations with Pakistan, and at the same time it is improving relations with India, he said.

    Published in The Express Tribune, November 17th, 2015.

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    Senator McCain recognises Pakistan Army’s sacrifices

    WASHINGTON: Chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee John McCain has said that under the leadership of General Raheel Sharif, the Pakistan Army had “inflicted losses to the enemy at great sacrifice”.

    In a statement issued by his office, Senator McCain said that Gen Sharif also visited the Senate panel and explained how the Pakistani forces were combating terrorists.

    “The meeting was productive and informative to all members of the committee. We value our relationship with Pakistan during these very challenging times,” he said.

    “Members believe that the fight against the Taliban is far from over and the Taliban continues to play a key role in the region.”

    Also read: Pentagon ‘grateful’ for army chief’s visit

    Senator McCain, a former Republican presidential candidate, said: “I thanked Gen Sharif for his leadership and expressed my appreciation for the sacrifice of so many brave Pakistani soldiers in the fight against terrorism.”

    Gen Sharif’s meeting with the committee members focused on the situation in Afghanistan, the fight against the IS, and ways to improve coordination and cooperation between the two countries against terrorists, the senator said.

    “Going forward, I hope we will continue working closely together in the interest of both our countries,” he said.

    Published in Dawn, November 23rd, 2015

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