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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    Dont be silly mate. You are comparing apples and oranges
    This is not my statement,it is from Sardar Mengal who happens to be chief of BNP and former CM of the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
    This is not my statement,it is from Sardar Mengal who happens to be chief of BNP and former CM of the state.

    So what? Most of our leaders on the sub continent are corrupt and dont speak for the common man.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    So what? Most of our leaders on the sub continent are corrupt and dont speak for the common man.
    Then who should we Believe,Leaders of Pakistan,United states,UN....I have never heard of a common man from Balochistan speaking out in the open

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
    This is not my statement,it is from Sardar Mengal who happens to be chief of BNP and former CM of the state.
    Here is another CM



    Cant even speak for himself never mind anyone else
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
    Then who should we Believe,Leaders of Pakistan,United states,UN....I have never heard of a common man from Balochistan speaking out in the open
    Well did you read the article I put up earlier about the poll that shows what the majority want

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    Well did you read the article I put up earlier about the poll that shows what the majority want
    well 37 Percent from Baloch community favor Independence and that's huge..and this Surveys and poll Never are accurate..How many people would they have surveyed anyway ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
    well 37 Percent from Baloch community favor Independence and that's huge..and this Surveys and poll Never are accurate..How many people would they have surveyed anyway ?
    You are going off topic mate. In OP the article was quoting someone comparing Balochistan to Kashmir etc. I showed you why he is wrong to do so. Though It would be self serving on your part I think

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    PSDP-funded 408 projects completed in Balochistan

    ISLAMABAD: The Senate sub-committee on Finance and Revenue here on Tuesday was informed under the federal Public Sector Development Programme (PSDP), 408 projects were completed in Balochistan from 2002 to 2012-13. Briefing the committee, met under chairmanship of Senator Sardar Fateh Muhammad Muhammad Hassani, additional Secretary Planning and Development, Haseeb Akhtar said the majority of projects were completed while some were near to completion.

    Besides this, the allocation share under PSDP for Balochistan has increased from Rs 8 billion in 2002-03 to Rs 48 billion in 2009-10, he said.


    Despite decrease in federal PSDP and devolution of provincial subjects, allocation of Rs 32 billion has been provided in federal PSDP 2012-13 for 112 projects costing Rs .318 billion, the committee was informed. The on-going mega projects for the development of Balochistan included 4 water supply projects, 2 projects of energy, 5 of roads and one project of physical planning and housing.

    Muhammad Hassani said the commission was doing a lot in developing of the Balochistan. The involvement of the commission should be ensured till the completion of the projects, he persuaded. The committee recommended there was shortage of water in Gwadar and the government should develop the project to supply water from Mirani Dam.

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    Seems like very bad too me indeed.
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    Baloch insurgency: Army must fight its major enemy, the manipulated media.....

    Idea in the modern day warfare is an effective weapon. Before winning a war in the battlefield, armies must win the war of perceptions and effectively counter baseless and negative propaganda. Pakistani army lost this war in East Pakistan and now it cannot afford a defeat in Balochistan. In Balochistan, it has to fight a joint force of foreign agencies, their media and a section of Pakistan’s own media hostile to Pakistan’s security establishment. The infamous six-points being glorified by the media are always a challenge for Pakistan’s security. These remind of the separatist designs of Sheikh Mujeeb who was caught conspiring against Pakistan and was interned. He was subsequently released under pressure from another dubious political character, ZAB when the Ayub Khan, in his twilight days, was losing his grips on the government.
    There are certain other similarities between the Bengal insurgency of 1970 and Baloch insurgency of the present times. In both the cases, the Pakistan Army lost the war of perception; it failed then, and it is utterly failing now to convince the world that it has no role in the illegal detentions and murder. It was widely propagated then that army personnel were involved in the large-scale killing and rape. It was subsequently revealed by Bengali writers themselves that those found killing and raping were indeed Indian intelligence agents unleashed on innocent Bengalis. They were wearing Pakistan Army’s uniforms. The same thing is happening now in Balochistan. A perception has successfully been created that army personnel are involved in enforced disappearances of Baloch people. The judicial commission of missing persons has determined that the issue of missing persons was a handiwork of foreign agencies actively operating in Balochistan but the media on the payroll of anti-Pakistan elements is pressuring the judicial authorities to indict the security establishment.
    Baloch insurgency poorly handled by ZAB in 70s through his defense minister was actually triggered by ZAB to have total control of the province where ANP was thrown up as representatives of the people. He wanted to dismiss the provincial government and install his hand-picked governor. Mr. Akbar Bugti addressed a PPP-sponsored rally in Punjab and accused the provincial government of receiving arms from Iraq to pursue separatist agenda by arming the insurgents. Mr. Bugti was rewarded with the governorship of the province and insurgency unleashed on the province. This insurgency had the active support of a neighboring country. It was subsequently controlled through political means when Bhutto’s government was overthrown by Gen Zia.
    The current insurgency is stated to have been triggered by Bugti’s death which is factually incorrect. The Baloch sardars have always been blackmailing the government and extorting huge sums of money on regular basis. The previous government tried to fight the sardars for the hapless Baloch people which pushed the country into the present unrest. But the situation in Balochistan is far more different from that in East Pakistan. There is a small minority of insurgents fighting the state but this minority has not only enlisted sympathizers in national and international media, it has total support of foreign agencies of the countries like US, UK, India and UAE. Will this minority be able to dent the national unity largely depends upon how Pakistani state and its institutions play their cards.
    An excellent analysis has appeared in Opinion Maker penned by a retired soldier based on the information he collected from the most authentic military sources. According to this analysis, population of Balochistan is 8 Million out of which the Baloch and Brahvis are 4 Million, the Pathans 3.5 Million and settlers’ 0.5 Million. Within Baloch dominated areas, Sindhi-Balochs residing in Sibi and Jacobabad areas comprising Jamalis, Magsis are peaceful and friendly. Pat Feeder Canal and Katchi dam help them in their agriculture. Those living in Quetta and immediate surroundings are involved in business activities and smuggling and pose no threat to the federation. Pashtuns do not have the germs of separation. They are better educated and prosperous and are pro-Pakistan and do not subscribe to the Baloch separatist agenda. They are fully involved in cloth business, transportation and agriculture, fruit-growing and also in smuggling. Shia Hazaras are pro-Pakistan and do not support Baloch nationalists seeking separation of Baluchistan. People living along the Makran coast known as Makranis have made fishing as their main source of earning and except for a small number all are peaceful people. Sizeable number of Makranis has settled in Karachi (Lyari).
    According to the statistics presented in the analysis, only those Balochs residing in Turbat and surroundings towards the coastal side are trouble makers. Their numbers do not exceed half a million and those who have shifted to the hills and are actively involved in terrorism are about 3500. Small portion of Baloch dominated Naushki is connected with Helmand province of southern Afghanistan. Naushki route, along which large desert patch acts as a barrier, was used as a supply route but has now been effectively blocked. Another route via Zhob through Pashtun belt is difficult for foreign agencies and Baloch rebels to frequent because of non-cooperation of the Pashtuns. Owing to demographic and geographic constraints, the small segment of trouble creators is in no position to achieve independence of Balochistan since it cannot generate the desired critical mass. The runaway Sardars trying to stir up Baloch nationalism and espousing the cause of independent Balochistan are unpopular and have no standing among the great majority of Balochs who are loyal to the concept of Pakistan.
    The analysis presents some chilling details. MI-6 is the major foreign agency involved in Balochistan and is assisted by RAW, RAAM and CIA. Brig Neel, the Consul General in Indian Consulate in Kandahar helped by Afghan National Directorate of Security has been the major coordinator to keep the pot of insurgency in Balochistan on the boil. Like in East Pakistan, India’s focus has been on students and teachers of schools and colleges in Balochistan, particularly within Baloch dominated regions and Quetta. It has invested huge amounts to subvert the Baloch youth and make them anti-Pakistan. Indians invite Baloch teachers and professors to India and bribe them. RAW’s sustained efforts resulted in making the Baloch students sing their own Baloch national anthem, and hoist Baloch flags instead of Pakistan flag on school/college buildings. Hatred against Pakistan, Pak Army and Punjabis has been ingrained into the young and impressionable minds of Baloch students.
    One reason of continuing deterioration of law and order in Balochistan is the reversal of Gen Musharraf’s policy of A and B Areas. Over 95% territory had been converted to A Area under police control which produced good results and helped in keeping law and order under control. The current provincial government reversed his policy in 2008 and handed over control of 95% territory to Levies and only 5% to Police. While 48% population resides in cities, 52% live in rural areas in Balochistan. The Levies are recruited from the Baloch tribes strictly on the recommendations of the Baloch Sardars. As such the Sardars exercise total control over the Levies. While the provincial police has been politicized and made ineffective, Levies are used by MPs as per their desires who are empowered to give salaries to them. The criminals after committing crimes in cities slip to B Areas, which are within grasping reach (half an hour to one hour distance), where the police cannot meddle.
    Quoting his highly placed source, the analyst informs that military operations of all sorts were stopped in May 2008 under federal government’s orders once Aghaz-e-Haqooq-e-Balochistan package was approved. Since then no covert or overt operation has been conducted and not a single Army personnel is involved on any operational duty as is being alleged by some Baloch leaders. Frontier Corps wings are deployed along the Afghan-Iran border, while others are on protection duties and receive orders directly from the Interior Ministry. In addition to this and to total delight of anti-Pakistan forces, work on converting Kohlu and Sui into military cantonments has been stopped under Federal government’s orders and Sui garrison has been converted into Pakistan Educational City. The cantonments not only helped in promoting education and bringing prosperity, but also facilitated the Army to promptly respond to the natural disasters in affected areas as well as to foreign threats.
    This analysis and the information provided therein is an eye-opener for Pakistanis in general and Baloch people in particular. Pakistan’s security establishment should aggressively pursue a campaign and correct the misperception created by a section of the media who is involved in glorifying the deeds of the likes of Bugti and his scion presently under the protection of Western agencies comfortably lodged in Switzerland. The idea is an effective weapon and it must be deployed before deployment of troops. Unfortunately, this task will have to be performed by the security establishment itself because the politicians of today are no different from the politicians of 1971.

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    Raised issue of Indian interference in Balochistan: Malik

    ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Rehman Malik said that during his visit to India, he raised the issue of Indian interference in Balochistan, DawnNews reported.

    He said that instructions are given by phone from India and that he would soon provide evidence relating to this.

    Speaking to the press after returning from his visit, the interior minister said that India had presented him information related to Hafiz Saeed, but had not given any evidence.

    He informed that an Indian delegation would be visiting Pakistan shortly to finalize the terms of reference for the visit of the Pakistan Judicial Commission to India.

    Following the court’s verification, the judicial commission is expected to visit India early next month, Malik said.

    Meanwhile, Malik also got some favourable news for cricket fans. He said that Indian foreign minister has agreed to give out unlimited visas rather than only three thousand.

    When speaking about the attack on the airport in Peshawar, Rehman Malik said that the provincial government had been given intelligence report on December 12 about the possibility of an attack.

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    Issue of Indian interference in Balochistan raised: Malik‏

    ISLAMABAD: Interior Minister Rehman Malik said that during his visit to India, he raised the issue of Indian interference in Balochistan, DawnNews reported.

    He said that instructions are given by phone from India and that he would soon provide evidence relating to this.

    Speaking to the press after returning from his visit, the interior minister said that India had presented him information related to Hafiz Saeed, but had not given any evidence.

    He informed that an Indian delegation would be visiting Pakistan shortly to finalize the terms of reference for the visit of the Pakistan Judicial Commission to India.

    Following the court’s verification, the judicial commission is expected to visit India early next month, Malik said.

    Meanwhile, Malik also got some favourable news for cricket fans. He said that Indian foreign minister has agreed to give out unlimited visas rather than only three thousand.

    When speaking about the attack on the airport in Peshawar, Rehman Malik said that the provincial government had been given intelligence report on December 12 about the possibility of an attack.

    Issue of Indian interference in Balochistan raised: Malik | DAWN.COM

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    Indian interference in Balochistan taken up: Malik

    ISLAMABAD - Interior Minister Rehman Malik said on Sunday that during his visit to India, he raised the issue of Indian interference in Balochistan.He said that instructions are given by phone from India and that he would soon provide evidence relating to this.Talking to reporters after returning from his India visit, the interior minister said India had presented him information related to Hafiz Saeed, but had not given any evidence.

    He informed that an Indian delegation would be visiting Pakistan shortly to finalise the terms of reference for the visit of the Pakistan Judicial Commission to India. Following the court’s verification, the judicial commission is expected to visit India early next month, Malik said.Meanwhile, Malik also got some favourable news for cricket fans. He said that Indian foreign minister has agreed to give out unlimited visas rather than only 3,000 cricket fans.

    Speaking about the attack on Peshawar Airport, Malik said the provincial government had been given intelligence report on December 12 about the possibility of an attack.Malik said Pakistan has helped India a lot to investigate the Mumbai blasts case and everywhere in India the question was raised about the perpetuators of the unfortunate incident.Answering a question, Malik said Pakistan condemns all forms of terrorism as in the war against terror, it has lost 40,000 lives of innocent people.

    "I had said the Indian media upon arrival at New Delhi that the incidents like 9/11, 26/11, Babri Masjid and whatever happening in Pakistan should not occur as these all brought miseries. He said there is a growing interaction between Pakistan and India as their joint efforts in eliminating menace of terrorism would help bring peace and stability in the two countries.Monitoring Desk adds: According to Indian media, Pakistani Interior Minister Rehman Malik on Sunday ended a three-day visit to India, triggering another row by alleging that an Indian linked to the Mumbai attacks was actually an Indian intelligence agent. Before flying home, Malik also insisted that Pakistan was in no way involved with the 2008 Mumbai attacks, reported Indian media.At an interaction held here by the Observer Research Foundation, Malik said Pakistan was awaiting ‘substantial evidence’ from New Delhi to act against Lashkar-e-Taiba leader Hafiz Saeed. He admitted that Prime Minister Manmohan Singh had made it clear that his trip to Pakistan would be linked to ‘effective action’ taken against those in Pakistan who bled Mumbai.

    He said Indian national Abu Jundal was a criminal who ‘worked as a source for (an) elite agency of India’ and added that he could have turned into a double agent. Jundal, whose real name is Syed Zabiuddin Ansari, is said to have been present at the Karachi-based "control room" from where the Mumbai attacks were overseen. Jundal was deported from Saudi Arabia and arrested in Delhi in June.

    Meanwhile, India reacted strongly to Rehman Malik statement that Abu Jundal was an operative of an elite Indian intelligence agency, saying it was a ‘ridiculous’ remark. "Such a statement is ridiculous. Jundal was working with the LeT in Pakistan's soil when the Mumbai terror attack was carried out," Indian Home Secretary RK Singh said. Rehman Malik also pointed to the role of Pakistani American David Coleman Headley, Jundal, SA Ansari and Ilyas Kashmiri in the 26/11 attack, and said that it proved that non-state actors were to blame.

    "We have non-state actors, you have non-state actors," he said, adding it was important to tell the truth ‘so that we find a way forward’.Malik said a proposed visit by Pakistan's judicial commission to India to cross-examine 26/11 witnesses would help expedite the conviction of the seven arrested in Pakistan in connection with the Mumbai attacks. Malik said the country can set the terms for the visit of the second judicial commission. "Once the procedure ends, we will be able to get conviction."But he stuck to his line about Hafiz Saeed, who India wants deported. Malik said his country required evidence and information provided by the country was not sufficient as it relied on a statement of Ajmal Kasab.He said he had urged Bharatiya Janata Party leader Sushma Swaraj to visit Pakistan to see there was ‘no mass migration’ of Hindus from the country.Malik denied he had compared the 1992 Babri mosque razing with the Mumbai attacks and accused the media of twisting his remarks. Earlier Sunday, Malik prayed at the shrine of the 14th century Sufi saint Hazrat Nizamuddin Auliya. "I prayed to Allah for a harmonious and peaceful relationship between both the countries."

    Indian interference in Balochistan taken up: Malik | The Nation

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    ECP to hold talks with disgruntled Baloch leaders: Ishtiaq

    ISLAMABAD: Secretary Election Commission of Pakistan (ECP) Ishtiaq Ahmed Khan Tuesday said the chief election commissioner along with other members will visit Quetta on March 28 to hold talks with the dissident Baloch leaders and address their reservations about elections.

    Speaking to media representatives, he said members of the Provincial Election Commission were also in contact with the Baloch leaders.

    He said the election commission would fully support the Baloch leaders to join the electoral process and hoped that the people would get ‘good news’ in this regard.

    Khan said members of the commission will meet all the political leaders including Brahamdagh Bugti and Sardar Akhtar Mengal and persuade them to take part in the elections.

    He said the commission would also visit Khyber Pakhtunkhwa, Sindh and Punjab provinces and to devise security plan for the elections.

    The secretary ECP said that Frontier Corps, Rangers and police would be deployed on polling stations.

    To a question, he said Article 62 and 63 of the Constitution would be fully enforced and any candidate not fulfilling the requirements will stand disqualified.

    The secretary said a cell has been set up in the election commission for scrutiny of the nomination papers.

    He said out of 69 fake degree cases, 27 have been cleared while 34 have been sent to the relevant District Police Officers for further action, adding that criminal proceeding had been started against two members for having fake degrees.

    Khan said a four-member committee including a senior official from Higher Education Commission has also been set up to look into the matter of fake degrees.

    Responding to a question, Ishtiaq Ahmed Khan said that delimitation of the constituencies in Karachi was being carried out on the directives of the Supreme Court.

    ECP to hold talks with disgruntled Baloch leaders: Ishtiaq | Pakistan | DAWN.COM

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    Pakistan says evidence of Balochistan interference shared with India

    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has shared with India evidence of foreign interference in Balochistan and has raised the issue at every relevant forum, foreign secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani said Saturday.

    Speaking to reporters after a briefing of the Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Jilani on Saturday said that there was evidence of Indian interference in Balochistan, and that it was being raised at all forums.

    He said that the issue was also raised by the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif with his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh during their meeting in New York.

    The foreign secretary pointed out that there were reservations with India over the issue of terrorism. He said terrorism was a concern not only for Pakistan but for India as well, but stressed that pointing fingers and hurling accusations was not a solution.

    Pakistan wants to resolve all outstanding issues with Indian, including Kashmir, through the process of dialogue, he said.

    Kashmir, claimed in full by both India and Pakistan and divided by the heavily-militarised Line of Control (LoC), has remained a central point of tension between the two neighbouring countries. The two sides also often trade allegations of ceasefire violations from both sides of the disputed border.

    Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif met with his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh in New York on Sunday for the first time since Sharif swept to power in May promising an improvement in relations with regional neighbours.

    Sharif has insisted on dialogue with India as the mainstay of his foreign policy and “the only way forward" in normalising the situation with India.

    India accuses Pakistan of allowing militants to use its soil to mount attacks against India. Pakistan blames the other for aiding separatist militant groups based in Balochistan.

    During their meeting on the sidelines of the United Nation General Assembly (UNGA) in New York, the two leaders agreed to reduce tensions and restore ceasefire at the disputed Kashmir border as a first step in defusing tensions and restoring lasting peace in the region.

    Singh will step down as prime minister of India next year.

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1047628/pak...red-with-india

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    Re: Pakistan says evidence of Balochistan interference shared with India

    Quote Originally Posted by Wajid47 View Post
    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has shared with India evidence of foreign interference in Balochistan and has raised the issue at every relevant forum, foreign secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani said Saturday.

    Speaking to reporters after a briefing of the Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Jilani on Saturday said that there was evidence of Indian interference in Balochistan, and that it was being raised at all forums.

    http://www.dawn.com/news/1047628/pak...red-with-india

    If Pakistan has such evidence, and it is compelling, why not share it with the media in Pakistan ?? -- See, if the Indian is doing this, the Indian does nto need to know that we know - the people who need to know are the people of Pakistan, share the details with the people and build support for your policy at home - only when your policy has support at home, will it find respect abroad -- but our officials have it backward it seems.
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    Re: Pakistan says evidence of Balochistan interference shared with India

    Quote Originally Posted by Muse View Post
    If Pakistan has such evidence, and it is compelling, why not share it with the media in Pakistan ?? -- See, if the Indian is doing this, the Indian does nto need to know that we know - the people who need to know are the people of Pakistan, share the details with the people and build support for your policy at home - only when your policy has support at home, will it find respect abroad -- but our officials have it backward it seems.
    to be blunt I have never found Pakistan establishment to be much into PR.

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    Re: Pakistan says evidence of Balochistan interference shared with India

    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    to be blunt I have never found Pakistan establishment to be much into PR.

    Yes, it it is elementary that foreign policy is a reflection of the domestic dynamic -- to have leverage in foreign policy, you must first have support for that policy at home

    So how do you build support for your policy?? You have said the Indians are "misbehaving" in B'Stan and if they are, they are doing it from two places, it's either from Zahidan in Iran, or US controlled territory in A'stan - But why should Pakistanis believe such assertions?

    To make Pakistanis believe and to build support, the state must share with them information that lends credence to the narrative the state seeks to build - So, how can it share the info? through the Media of course - but before the Pakistani state does this, I hope it will give thought to exactly which narrative it seeks to present and what it's objectives are.

    India have successfully isolated Pakistan on the issue of terrorism and if this Indian interference in B'stan is coming from A'stan, then the issue is not India but the US - and perhaps then the US insistence that Kiyani be around can be seen in a new light (new light for some) - but if from Iran, then some serious talking with the Iranian is in order.
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    Re: Pakistan says evidence of Balochistan interference shared with India

    I dont think its from Iran. Pakistan and Iran have been working on the terrorism issue together. But one cannot help but notice the assistance provided by Americans and British at international fora to their so called Balochi leaders

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    Pakistan says evidence of Balochistan interference shared with India

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    ISLAMABAD: Pakistan has shared with India evidence of foreign interference in Balochistan and has raised the issue at every relevant forum, foreign secretary Jalil Abbas Jilani said Saturday.

    Speaking to reporters after a briefing of the Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs, Jilani on Saturday said that there was evidence of Indian interference in Balochistan, and that it was being raised at all forums.

    He said that the issue was also raised by the Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif with his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh during their meeting in New York.

    The foreign secretary pointed out that there were reservations with India over the issue of terrorism. He said terrorism was a concern not only for Pakistan but for India as well, but stressed that pointing fingers and hurling accusations was not a solution.

    Pakistan wants to resolve all outstanding issues with Indian, including Kashmir, through the process of dialogue, he said.

    Kashmir, claimed in full by both India and Pakistan and divided by the heavily-militarised Line of Control (LoC), has remained a central point of tension between the two neighbouring countries. The two sides also often trade allegations of ceasefire violations from both sides of the disputed border.

    Pakistani Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif met with his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh in New York on Sunday for the first time since Sharif swept to power in May promising an improvement in relations with regional neighbours.

    Sharif has insisted on dialogue with India as the mainstay of his foreign policy and “the only way forward" in normalising the situation with India.

    India accuses Pakistan of allowing militants to use its soil to mount attacks against India. Pakistan blames the other for aiding separatist militant groups based in Balochistan.

    During their meeting on the sidelines of the United Nation General Assembly (UNGA) in New York, the two leaders agreed to reduce tensions and restore ceasefire at the disputed Kashmir border as a first step in defusing tensions and restoring lasting peace in the region.

    Singh will step down as prime minister of India next year.


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