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    Put the house in order before UN team arrives!

    QUETTA - The Supreme Court Saturday asked the officials to improve the state of affairs in Balochistan, warning that a UN delegation was on its way to review the situation of missing persons in the province.
    “Foreigners’ coming Pakistan to review missing persons’ cases and issues pertaining to human rights violations would make (quite a) scene, if we did not find solution to our home problems,” remarked Chief Justice Iftikhar Muhammad Chaudhry.
    No matter if the delegation remarked upon the situation or not, they will still be observing the entire situation, he added. What would happen if the UN team visited the province and recorded statements, he asked the Balochistan advocate general.
    Heading a three-member SC bench, which resumed hearing Balochistan law and order cases here at the Quetta Registry, the CJ ordered the police and Frontier Corps (FC) to launch a crackdown against illegal arms and vehicles in three days.
    The chief justice also said that as there are 22 agencies working in Balochistan, a list of all the names of these agencies must be submitted to court. He issued instructions that these agencies must finish all work that they have begun in the province.
    The chief justice said that the entire proceedings were in the national interest and it does not make any difference if any one does not approve that. The court will conclude this case as soon as possible as it will be troublesome if matters would fell into others’ hands, he added.
    The CJ expressed his outrage at the absence of Kaho Bugti from court and demanded that the missing person must be presented in court as soon as possible. He noted with regret that “court orders were not being implemented in letter and spirit”, and asked the Balochistan chief secretary to talk to the chief minister and the governor to get the orders implemented.
    Justice Khilji Arif Hussain inquired from the deputy attorney-general about the prohibition of illegal weapons and passage of vehicles who then said that as the system is now computerised, obtaining a list of these passages could be compiled easily for use in legal proceedings.
    CCPO Quetta Mir Zubair told the court that special branch and police cannot issue the transit permits and intelligence agencies including ISI and MI issue those. The court questioned the defence secretary if the agencies could lawfully issue permits. The defence secretary told the court that as per its orders, all Rahdaris (permits) issued by the agencies have been cancelled forthwith besides ordering the provincial government to arrest those who claim to have the same.
    At this point, the chief justice ordered police and FC to initiate a crackdown against the transit permit holders in three days. The defence secretary asked the court to give them chance and that they will not disappoint the court as they have already started action. He further told that a high level meeting would be called to address the issue.
    The chief justice inquired about the Dera Bugti commandant on which FC lawyer told that his leaves have been cancelled. On that, the chief justice asked the lawyer to present the cancellation order in the court.
    In a joint statement submitted by federal secretaries of defence and interior, Balochistan chief secretary, IG Police, and IG Frontier Corps, the court was informed that the issue of missing persons was a complex and multifaceted and no negligence was being exercised by the departments and the agencies concerned for their safe and early recovery.
    “The joint endeavours would yield positive results in this matter of serious concern,” the report said. The statement read that under the supervision of honourable court, matter of missing persons would be taken to logical end leaving no stone unturned.
    The CJ remarked that the progress made by the law enforcement agencies and other concerned departments have been poor. He said the sooner the court orders are implemented the better it would be for the country. Expressing his displeasure, the chief justice said had the government taken serious action on human rights violations, the representatives of international organisation would not have been coming to Pakistan.
    The court noted that if there is credible proof against anyone, he or she must be tried in the courts. “We honour the working of country’s intelligence agencies but there are certain limits and nobody should cross these limits,” the court added.
    The court observed that in every other case of missing persons the FC is accused; it is a very complex situation in which FC should clear its position. If certain things were not cleared before the foreign delegation reached Pakistan, it would bring a bad name to the country.
    The chief justice after hearing Balochistan home secretary remarked that despite claims by the provincial government, no positive change in the law and order situation was being witnessed as a Sessions Court judge and an SP have been killed recently which is a clear evidence of law enforcement agencies’ inability.
    Justice Khilji Arif Hussain on the occasion remarked that situation in Balochistan did not deteriorate overnight. “There is unanimity that the killing of veteran politician Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti led to the situation that people of Balochistan are facing today,” he added. Justice Jawwad S Khwaja said that it was unjust that even an FIR was not lodged unless High Court interfered and ordered the police to do so. The hearing was adjourned till Sept 19.

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    The UN is a waste of time. If UN was effective it would bring America to account for it's human rights abuses.

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    U.S.A have lot of interest in Baluchistan due to its geographic importance.
    Also there are several agencies and banned organization involved including RAW, Jandullah, BLA and others.
    The progress made by the law enforcement agencies and other concerned departments have been poor, Also UN should take action for U.S.A interest in the Baluchistan.
    U.N can't do it because it is made to save interest of specific countries.
    U.N should be concerned about Israel nuclear weapon which is great threat for Middle east.
    Our Chief Justice should also visit Baluchistan and for legal proceeding in the courts.

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    Missing persons in Pakistan

    QUETTA: A six-member working group of the United Nations Working Group on Enforced or Involuntary Disappearances arrived in Quetta on Saturday, DawnNews reported.

    The working group’s members were to hold meetings in Balochistan’s provincial capital over the issue of ‘missing’ persons.

    The mandate of the UN team that had arrived in Pakistan on Sunday (Sept 9) was to collect data about the ‘missing’ persons.

    During its 10-day mission undertaken at the invitation of the government, the team was to study the measures adopted by Pakistan to prevent and eradicate enforced disappearances and issues related to truth, justice and reparation for the victims.

    The delegation, comprising Olivier de Frouville, the Chair-Rapporteur, and Osman El Hajjé, member, was being accompanied by members of the secretariat of the Office of the High Commissioner for Human Rights.

    The delegation had been visiting various parts of the country and meeting officials, representatives of civil society organisations and UN agencies and relatives of disappeared people.

    The working group was set up by the UN Commission on Human Rights in 1980 to assist families in determining the fate and whereabouts of disappeared relatives. It endeavours to establish a channel of communication between the families and the governments concerned, to ensure that individual cases are investigated, with the objective of clarifying the whereabouts of persons who, having disappeared, are placed outside the protection of law. A final report on the mission will be presented to the UN Human Rights Council next year.

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    Balochistan situation worse than Kashmir and Palestine - Sardar Akhtar Mengal

    Islamabad, Sept 27: The former chief minister of Balochistan province and chief of Balochistan Nationalist Party Sardar Akhtar Mengal today told the Pakistan Supreme Court that the situation in the province was worse compared to those in Kashmir and Palestine.

    Chief Justice of Pakistan Supreme Court Iftikhar Mohammad Chaudhry directed that all 'death squads' belonging to the ISI and Pakistan Military Intelligence be abolished in Balochistan forthwith.

    The Chief Justice however lamented that he had issued 60 orders in 68 hearings so far to the

    government, but none has been implemented so far.

    On Thursday, the court resumed hearing on the law and order situation in Balochistan.

    A three-member-bench headed by the Chief Justice resumed the hearing on a petition on the law and order situation in Balochistan.The hearing will continue tomorrow.


    The court also told the chief secretary of the Balochistan to deliver Sardar Akhtar Mengal’s message to federal and provincial leadership and sought from him a written reply on the issue on the next hearing.

    The chief justice further told the chief secretary to discuss the issue with the president, Director General (DG) of the Inter Services Intelligence (ISI) and DG Military Intelligence (MI) and to inform the court in writing as to what steps are being taken to resolve the issue.

    Furthermore, the chief justice said in his remarks that the missing persons would be recovered and that the court would go to any extent, if needed, to achieve the purpose.

    All overt and covert operations must be put to an end and the displaced Baloch should be rehabilitated, added the chief justice in his remarks.

    Chaudhry also said that First Information Reports (FIRs) would be lodged against those held responsible and the cases would heard in the high courts rather than the lower courts.

    Earlier, nationalist leader and former chief minister of Balochistan Sardar Akhtar Mengal appeared in the court to provide it with assistance on the issue.

    The former chief minister told the court that the issue of missing persons is very critical in the province and the roots to the problem can be found in the 65-year political history of the province adding that every government deceived the people of Balochistan and the issue has gone beyond the control of agencies reaching foreign elements.

    Sardar Mengal alleged that the agencies should be held responsible for the situation in Balochistan which was worse that the situation in Kashmir and Palestine.

    He further said that he had appeared in the court only to discuss the missing persons issue adding that without the resolution of the missing persons issue the 65-year-old political issue cannot be resolved.

    The nationalist leader said that the province had undergone five military operations and no one was answerable so as to what was the fault of the innocent victims. He also claimed that during the military rule every attempt was made to suppress the political voice of the Baloch people.

    Mengal said that attempts are being made to eliminate the genuine leadership of the Baloch people replacing them with artificial leadership who were manufactured in factories and that federal and provincial lawmakers never visited the rural areas of the province and remained confined to the ministerial secretariat.

    The former chief minister further said that the nationalist leadership was being specifically targeted adding that the heirs of the late Nawab Akbar Khan Bugti were not even allowed to attend his funeral.

    Sardar Akhtar Mengal told the court that if an order was issued to rehabilitate the Baloch, displaced since 10 years, then that would be a step forward.

    Balochistan situation is worse than Kashmir, Palestine, former CM tells Pak SC

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    Thats a classy source. Wonder what research has been done for this article. Thanks for your highlighted concerns Nirvana
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    Does source matter...the fact is he said that...you can Google for some other source like Dawn etc.

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    Does source matter...the fact is he said that...you can Google for some other source like Dawn etc.
    Thanks.

    Whats your feeling about the situation. Enlighten us to how you would resolve issues in Balochistan Nirvana?

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    Baloch insurgency faces uncertain future
    By Khuram Iqbal

    Militancy in Balochistan is no longer the "forgotten conflict" of Pakistan. Long before the US Congressional hearing on Balochistan early this year, the issue had already taken a central role on the national, regional and international political stage. An official apology extended to Baloch people by President Asif Ali Zardari, an ethnic Baloch himself, in February 2008 demonstrated the significance that present political elite attach to the issue.

    A number of political, economic and security initiatives launched by the ruling Pakistan Peoples Party government and the military establishment during the last four years, seeking an amicable solution to the complex problem of Pakistan's largest province, have gone unnoticed and unacknowledged. This is the result of the hijacking of public discourse by the left-wing English media in Pakistan. Objectivity has long become a causality of ideological enslavement of public intellectuals in the country.

    Baloch insurgents are often portrayed by the Pakistani left as a bulwark against the forces of religious extremism in the province bordering Southern Afghanistan. Calling them secular just because they denounce Taliban and al-Qaeda is scholarly biased and ethically unfair. Apart from separating state from religious institutions, secularism also entails a movement toward modernization. And modernization in the era of globalization and triumph of democracy all around the world cannot be achieved through out-dated Marxist nationalist ideas, which itself has become a religion of its own in the Pakistani context.

    In Pakistani media, hardly any analysis is devoted to the dangers of neo-Marxist nationalist ideology upheld by the number of separatist organizations, which categorically reject the idea of open market economy and holds no respect for ethnic diversity. The isolationist narrative being espoused by the separatists in Balochistan portrays the US as an eternal enemy working hand in glove with the Pakistan Army to quell "Baloch resistance".

    Iran is seen as an "occupier of West Balochistan" and mega-developmental projects such as Gwadar port are described as an extension of "Chinese Imperialism". Non-Baloch population including Punjabis, Kashmiris and Seraiki-speaking Baloch, who played a vital role in maintaining the minimum levels of modernization in absence of educated Balochs, are demonized by a handful of Baloch militants as a fifth column of Pakistan Army and ruthlessly killed.

    This attitude towards non-Baloch population of Balochistan also shows a paradigm shift in the separatists' policies and objectives when put in the context of past insurrections of 1948 and 1970s. Baloch militants rarely resorted to attacks against public targets in recent years - Pakistani military, law enforcement agencies and symbols of central government always remained the targets of choice. The carefully selected targets won the Baloch insurgents international acclaim and legitimacy to their cause, two of the most crucial elements for waging successful guerilla warfare.

    But during the latest phase of insurgency the Baloch fighters seem to have diverted from this strategy and appear devoid of policy direction. The insurgent forces in Balochistan are struggling to keep pace with the changing nature of the conflict and as a result are resorting to tactics unheard of during past phases of the insurrection. For example, the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) has attempted to carry out a few suicide attacks, which were successfully pre-empted and prevented by Pakistani law enforcement agencies. The use of human bombs is something that can jeopardize the whole struggle and makes Baloch militias appear more ruthless and desperate.

    As the conflict evolves and conflict-resolution mechanisms are put in place by the government of Pakistan, we observe some other new trends emerging in the militant landscape of Balochistan, which can have dire impacts for the insurgent forces in the longer-run. Baloch separatist outfits are gradually expanding their areas of operation and widening the choices of target.

    From ambushes on security forces to attacks on power pylons/gas pipelines, the choice of targets has now widened to public places in and out of Balochistan. A close examination of the targets employed by the militants, operating on the pretext of defending Baloch rights, reveals that these attacks are not a part of systematic campaign for the right of self-determination but intended to create fear and anarchy all across Pakistan.

    On April 23, a bomb blast struck Lahore Railway Station, which killed at least two people and injured 40 others including women and children. Similarly, on July 11, a bus carrying the employees of the Space and Upper Atmosphere Research Commission (Suparco) on the main Hub River Road in Saeedabad, Karachi was targeted, with 24 employees injured in this attack. Both attacks were claimed by Lashkar-e-Balochistan, a new addition to the galaxy of terrorist outfits that have emerged in Balochistan during last decade. The group was also found involved in the July 23 bombing outside the Chinese Consulate in Karachi. Though the human loss in this particular case was minimal, Lashkar-e-Balochistan was able to communicate that the highly-secured targets beyond Balochistan are also within their reach.

    The shift from a systematic campaign of militancy to indiscriminate violence seems a desperate reaction by militant outfits in Balochistan and their masters operating from the comfort of Switzerland, London and New Delhi. The departure of international forces from Afghanistan in 2014 will serve a major blow to the separatists in Balochistan. The presence of foreign sanctuaries and training facilities is essential for the survival of a guerrilla movement irrespective of its ideological orientation and legitimacy of the cause.

    As the present power-structure collapses and Afghanistan plunges into civil war following the disengagement of allied forces, Indian spymasters operating from the consulates and information centers across the Pak-Afghan border will find it hard to ensure a sustained supply of weapons, finances, training and safe-sanctuaries to the militant outfits involved in Balochistan unrest. This development will be a game-changer in favor of Pakistan.

    The story of the Liberation Tigers of Tamil Eelam (LTTE) in Sri Lanka is a case in point. The organization rose to the status of the world's most formidable entity with the help of Indian external intelligence agency. As soon as the Indians cut-off their support for the group, Sri Lanka with a comparatively small army launched successful counter-insurgency campaign, defeated the group and re-established the writ of state in the areas previously ruled by the LTTE.

    In Sri Lanka, the Research and Analysis Wing of India did not curtail their support for a terrorist outfit out of goodwill for Sri Lankan government and the people. It was the assassination of Indian Prime Minister Rajiv Gandhi in May 1991 by an LTTE suicide bomber and a radicalization of India's own Tamil population, which forced the Indian intelligence apparatus to rethink their policy towards the group. In the case of Balochistan, the separatists will be abandoned in a similar fashion. This will not mark the end of unrest in Balochistan as external support is not the only factor behind insurgency in the province. The political aspects of the Baloch struggle for provincial autonomy and greater control will take priority over the militants' quest for an independent Balochistan.


    Khuram Iqbal is the co-author of Pakistan Terrorism Ground Zero, a researcher and a PhD student who works at the Center for Transnational Crimes Prevention in Australia. He can be reached at [email protected]


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    Whats your feeling about the situation. Enlighten us to how you would resolve issues in Balochistan Nirvana?
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    Army role in Balochistan development

    Dr Raja Muhammad Khan


    As a geographical pivot of history, Pakistani geopolitical location has always been significant for the global players. Within Pakistan, the Province of Balochistan, has immense geo–strategic significance in the emerging international political and economic order. This God gifted province, has immense natural resources with traditionally proud and strapping manpower. However, its people mostly remained deprived of basic amenities of life. The current crises in Balochistan are centred on two things: first; continuous deprivation and extensive poverty of the Baloch masses compounded by the lack of economic and social development and second; lack of national unity and inter-provincial harmony, further fuelled by external powers through sub-nationalist elements. On its part, Pak Army has made gigantic contributions in the development of the Province, which include development in all sectors viz; education, health, mining, provision of jobs in Army, infrastructural development and other socio-economic development. In the field of education, over 17000 Baloch students have been selected for education in various schools and colleges, run by Pak Army and Frontier Corps. Besides, Pak Army is also imparting education to over 6500 Baloch students in the schools and colleges of Federal Government administered by Pak Army.

    In 2006, Pak Army took initiative to revive Chamalang Coal Mines project, which was disputed ever since 1980s. After its resolution under Pak Army, 73500 individuals of Luni and Marri tribes were provided job opportunities and 2000 individuals were employed as guards. The process was followed by excavation of over 2 million tons of coal. Following the consensus resolution of the Chamalang Coal Mines dispute under Pak Army, an education programme namely, the Chamalang Beneficiaries Education Programme (CBEP) was organized by the Southern Command of Pak Army. Under this educational project, 4183 x Balochi students are being sponsored for free education. The hotel facility through this programme has been established in Quetta Cantonment has housed over 100 students of Marri and Luni tribes of the Loralai and Kohlu Districts. The students are provided with free boarding, lodging and medical facilities along with monthly stipends.

    In connection with the induction in Pak Army, over 12000 Baloch recruits have been enrolled and trained as combat soldiers in various branches of Army in last 3-5 years. A sizeable number of educated Baloch youth are being inducted in Pakistan Military Academy (PMA) to become officer in Pak Army. In Dera Bugti area, Pak Army and FC have launched many Developmental Projects. These includes: provision of job opportunities to over 1500 individuals, financial assistance to over 1500 families, renovation and establishment of 31 health centres. Besides, 458 animal units were provided to needy families and free of cost education of over 150 local students in Baluchistan Public School Sui (BPSS), established on the lines of MCJ. The Sui Town has been provided with the free natural gas. In the health Sector, free medical camps for 2-3 days are being established in remote areas where free medical examination and medicines are distributed on regular basis. Free medical treatment is also provided to approximately 500 to 1000 patients of Mekhter and Chamalang per month. Pak Army is also monitoring many developmental projects for their smooth and free functioning. The socio-economic developmental model adopted by Pak Army for improving the living standards of Baloch people is worth appreciating. If Provincial Govt and ministries of Federal Govt follow the model, Balochistan can be brought at par with rest of the provinces of Pakistan in just 3-4 years


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    The issue is in Balochistan is largely a propaganda one


    In any event this matter is done to death in this thread

    http://www.affairspak.com/showthread...ht=balochistan

    This is just some propaganda propagated lies emanating from west and India. We must remember how resources are equally distributed and that the economic mess is the work of politicians and terrorists in the province. The myth of victimisation of our Pakistani Baloch in their homeland, Pakistan is just that a myth.


    This propaganda is used to weaken us and mislead our young Pakistani Baloch. To start, the myth revolves around the idea that Pakistani Baloch are or were deprived of state resources and were not allowed to manage their affairs. How Pakistani Balochis received an unfair deal is never spelled out in any detail. But the accusation is made with little evidence to back it up.

    1. Balochistan receives 9% of state resources. With less than five per cent of Pakistan's population.

    2. Balochistan resources are used in the same way that resources of all other provinces are used. The rules for this are in the Constitution and are same for all the provinces. If the provincial govt feels the rules are not fair they can approach the Supreme Court with evidence. This is has never been done cos there is no evidence.

    3. Balochistan province lags behind in the areas of security, education, healthcare and jobs. All of these fall under the the provincial government, which has always been run by Baloch politicians. If blame is to be assigned it should on persons that have ruled the province as representatives of the Pakistani Baloch.

    4. Terrorists encouraged by our enemies like India have destroyed Balochistan’s economy. By resorting to terrorism a few traitors killed or scared away most of the teachers, doctors and professional.

    Both Baloch and non-Baloch professional Pakistanis avoid the province thanks to these terrorists. No person is going to even think of making an investment in the province in the conditions that these terrorists have created. Business closures and prospects for the future are less. Even I was thinking of buying some plots of land near gwador but am reluctant to cos of security issues

    This is not the work of the rest of the country Punjab etc. This is the creation of these terrorists who also happen to be sons of two or three tribal chiefs.

    Pakistani Baloch must open their eyes to the fact that the people who have done this are enemies. Those who have sold themselves to foreign governments. The rest are too gullible or ill-informed and have fallen prey to a false sense of injustice which is not helping the cause of Balochistan province or of Pakistan.
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    I Would have escaped and seeked shelter in some other country before they catch me...I am the president,i can do Anything

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    With over 1,450 people killed in 1,649 incidents over a span of five years, the government’s efforts to curb targeted killings in Balochistan are being termed “ineffective”.

    The administration has spent approximately Rs900 million so far by deploying 17 units and paramilitary troops to put an end to the disturbing trend that has only increased in the province over the last two years, according to a report compiled by the interior ministry’s Crisis Management Cell (CMC), which was submitted to the National Assembly on Friday.

    In addition to that, the government allocated an extra Rs720 million for purchasing arms and ammunition, as well as logistics for the Levies, to ensure better border security.

    “Over 3,208 citizens sustained injuries during various incidents between 2007 and 2011,” the report added. “The CMC operates under the interior ministry,” was the reply submitted in response to a question put forward by Pakistan Muslim League-Nawaz (PML-N) MNA Khalida Mansoor who asked what steps the government had taken to curb violence in Balochistan and Karachi.

    Over 200 citizens were killed and 428 sustained injuries in 236 incidents in 2007. The miscreants or terrorists were mainly targeting local settlers, with about 350 incidents being reported during this time.

    As many as 273 incidents occurred at police stations alone, while Frontier Constabulary (FC) personnel found themselves confronted with at least 258 incidents in the province. Local police reported 86 incidents of sectarian violence, while law enforcement agencies reported 612 other incidents during this period.

    With at least 270 people killed and 388 injured in 161 incidents of violence in the last nine months alone, claims by the interior ministry that there has been a visible decline in target killings in the province, appear to carry little weight.

    In 2010, over 317 people were killed and 702 were injured in 425 incidents of violence in Balochistan. In 2009, over 333 citizens were killed and 1,007 were injured in 467 different incidents in the province.

    When the provincial government sent out a request for deployment of additional troops to curb violence in Balochistan, the federal government deployed 11 units in Quetta, three in Mastung and six in Jaffarabad, Qilla Abdullah and Kalat. They deployed an additional 730 FC personnel to curb violence in Kachchi, Sibi and adjacent areas.

    In order to meet the cost of these additional troops, the provincial government incurred a burden of Rs561 million to improve law and order in volatile areas. An amount of Rs339 million was incurred to pay families of armed forces and paramilitary personnel who lost their lives in the line of duty.

    The government also promulgated the Police Act 2011 in the province and made special arrangements to ensure safe passage of pilgrims to Iran. It inducted an additional 2,000 Levies personnel and created 3,000 positions in the federal Levies to secure key installation on bordering areas.

    Interior Minister Rehman Malik and his Afghan counterpart agreed to reactivate the designated immigration point, along with bordering areas, to monitor cross-border traffic.

    The interior ministry is also compiling data of foreigners working in different areas and is carrying out special surveillance of members of banned outfits, the report said.

    Published in The Express Tribune, November 19th, 2011.

    Target killings in Balochistan: Interior ministry admits failure in curbing violence – The Express Tribune

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    The issue is in Balochistan is largely a propaganda one


    In any event this matter is done to death in this thread

    http://www.affairspak.com/showthread...ht=balochistan

    This is just some propaganda propagated lies emanating from west and India. We must remember how resources are equally distributed and that the economic mess is the work of politicians and terrorists in the province. The myth of victimisation of our Pakistani Baloch in their homeland, Pakistan is just that a myth.


    This propaganda is used to weaken us and mislead our young Pakistani Baloch. To start, the myth revolves around the idea that Pakistani Baloch are or were deprived of state resources and were not allowed to manage their affairs. How Pakistani Balochis received an unfair deal is never spelled out in any detail. But the accusation is made with little evidence to back it up.

    1. Balochistan receives 9% of state resources. With less than five per cent of Pakistan's population.

    2. Balochistan resources are used in the same way that resources of all other provinces are used. The rules for this are in the Constitution and are same for all the provinces. If the provincial govt feels the rules are not fair they can approach the Supreme Court with evidence. This is has never been done cos there is no evidence.

    3. Balochistan province lags behind in the areas of security, education, healthcare and jobs. All of these fall under the the provincial government, which has always been run by Baloch politicians. If blame is to be assigned it should on persons that have ruled the province as representatives of the Pakistani Baloch.

    4. Terrorists encouraged by our enemies like India have destroyed Balochistan’s economy. By resorting to terrorism a few traitors killed or scared away most of the teachers, doctors and professional.

    Both Baloch and non-Baloch professional Pakistanis avoid the province thanks to these terrorists. No person is going to even think of making an investment in the province in the conditions that these terrorists have created. Business closures and prospects for the future are less. Even I was thinking of buying some plots of land near gwador but am reluctant to cos of security issues

    This is not the work of the rest of the country Punjab etc. This is the creation of these terrorists who also happen to be sons of two or three tribal chiefs.

    Pakistani Baloch must open their eyes to the fact that the people who have done this are enemies. Those who have sold themselves to foreign governments. The rest are too gullible or ill-informed and have fallen prey to a false sense of injustice which is not helping the cause of Balochistan province or of Pakistan.
    Agree wholeheartedly. There are issues but vastly exaggerated by third parties. Still we need to further educated and give attention to the region. Nice post dude.

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    Nirvana - you obvious concern for the region is commendable. Thank you for informing us of the issues. I believe they are as Hope suggests blown out of proportion for propaganda and of course third party interference.
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    But do you guys agree that the situation in there is worse than Palestine ?

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    Overwhelming majority of Baloch favour being part of Pakistan: UK survey



    Ansar Abbasi
    Monday, August 13, 2012

    ISLAMABAD: A Gallup survey for the UK international official body, DFID, conducted on July 20, revealed that the support for an independent Balochistan is not popular even amongst a majority of the Baloch population.



    The survey reveals that among the Baloch, 37 percent favour independence whereas among the Pashtun population only 12 percent favour that option. The results of the survey have not been made public.



    The vast majority, according to the survey, opposes the idea of an independent Balochistan. However, 67 percent of the people of Balochistan, including Baloch and Pashtuns, support greater provincial autonomy.



    The survey says that 79 percent of the Baloch population and 53 percent of Pashtuns support the idea that the people of Balochistan should have greater control over their political affairs.Balochistan, which is generally a combination of Baloch and Pashtun tribes, through this survey reflects Pashtuns’ tilt to national mainstream as against the recent years increased tendency of Balochi separatism.



    The survey also covers the situation in Fata and shows that 41% of the people of Pakistan see Fata as less peaceful than before. As to who enjoys greatest influence in Fata, 29% think military, 20% believe local, 13% see federal government, 12% think US while 26% say others i.e. Taliban, political parties, NGOs and Afghan Taliban.



    About the perception of militancy, the survey said that militancy continues to be perceived as high threat in Pakistani society but the perceived causes of terrorism have shifted from militants to other factors like access to weapons, poverty, poor governance and rule of law.



    According to the survey, 31% think that poor governance is the reason for terrorism and militancy, whereas 23% hold terrorists responsible for the same. 17% think poverty produces terrorists, while 11% believe that weak rule of law is the cause of terrorism and the same percentage sees this problem because of the availability of weapons.



    On the foreign policy front, the survey shows that the balance has shifted from Taliban to Nato for creating hurdles for better relations between Pakistan and Afghanistan.



    To a question as what is the most significant difficulty between Pakistan and Afghanistan, 34% said the difficulty is Nato while 27% shifted the blame on Taliban. In 2011, greater number of people saw Taliban as the difficulty but in 2012 Nato emerged as the major villain.



    The survey shows that 65% of the people support Pakistan’s role as peacemaker in Afghanistan.



    The survey also reveals that the image of Afghan Taliban continues to be negative but is improving as 30% see them as a terrorist group, 26% take them as Islamic fighters, 24% think they are ignorant of Islamic values and 16% think they are a political group. Last year 31% saw them as terrorists, 22% saw them as Islamic fighters and 12% took them as a political group. Similarly though still small (19%) but rising number of Pakistanis see Taliban as the next power in Afghanistan.



    The survey also reveals that 90% Pakistanis oppose drone attacks while only 3% support them.



    About India, 73% believe that the Indian government is bad. However, 62% think that the relations between Pakistan and India are improving as against 42% in 2011 and 23% in 2010.



    The survey says that desire to normalise relations with India makes dramatic shift.



    The survey also covers the image of UK and DFID in Pakistan. It says that the image of UK is positive and has improved also in Pakistan.


    37pc Baloch favour independence: UK survey - thenews.com.pk


    In the UK the Scottish had a referendum where A proposal for Scottish devolution was put to a referendum in 1979, but resulted in no change, despite a narrow majority of votes cast being in favour of change. So we in Pakistan should concentrate on eliminating the Baloch feudals who are to blame for the Baloch peoples misery and that 67% will go up to 100% approval of Pakistan

    If a minority are encouraged by external forces to carry out illegal criminal acts this can not be explained away the way you have tried.

    Your worthless attempt to compare Palestine or Kashmir to Balochistan is simply flawed. If what you said was correct the majority would not want the status quo Nirvana
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nirvana View Post
    But do you guys agree that the situation in there is worse than Palestine ?
    Dont be silly mate. You are comparing apples and oranges

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