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    ISLAMABAD: Law Minister Farooq H Naek, on the directives of the Prime Minister, has constituted a committee to resolve the issue of enforced disappearances in Balochistan, where hundreds of people have gone missing in past four years.

    Chief Secretary Balochistan Babar Yaqoob Fateh Muhammad will head the committee which will give its detailed briefing to Ministry of Law and Justice on Friday July 6. Fateh will also update the committee on the views of disgruntled Baloch leaders who are being invited by the government to kick off negotiations addressing their concerns.

    “We will formally hold an important meeting on Friday (July 6) to discuss all issues that is dialogue with Baloch leaders and missing persons,” a senior official told The Express Tribune.

    Chief Minister Balochistan Nawaz Aslam Raisani will also present his view points on resolve the chronic issue, the official said. Raisani assured the Law Minister of his full cooperation in formulating laws which would help keep check on enforcement agencies to stop enforced disappearances.

    On Monday, Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf and Naek held a meeting to discuss the legal matters to deal with the issue of missing persons. The government had decided to take up the issue of pick, kill and dump incidents on an emergency basis with reports of over 203 bullet-riddled dead bodies being found in various parts of Balochistan in 2011. By comparison, there were reports of only 103 such incidents in 2010.

    “Supreme Court’s orders on missing persons in Balochistan must be implemented in letter and spirit,” stated an official release quoting Naek who presided Tuesday’s meeting. The apex court has already ordered all law enforcement agencies to recover all missing persons in the troubled province. On Tuesday, Raisani also informed the participants that we are working on amending laws to define the role of the Frontier Constabulary, Levies and the Police.

    Chief Secretary Balochistan also gave his input on the issue along with the Secretaries of Defence, Interior and Law, provincial inspector general FC, IG Police, advocate general and other high ranking officers of the concerned ministries. Intelligence Bureau chief Aftab Sultan, Inspector General FC Maj Gen Obaidullah Khan and the Inspector General of Police Balochistan Tariq Umar Khitab gave their input on the issue of missing persons.

    Later Naek briefed the Prime Minister on Tuesday’s meeting. Naek assured him that all the concerned officials have been directed to follow the instructions and guidelines issued to ensure compliance of Supreme Court’s directives.

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    Quetta—Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf on Friday offered an olive branch to the disgruntled Baloch leaders to hold dialogue with the government for an amicable solution of the the Balochistan issue.

    Addressing the provincial cabinet meeting here at the Chief Minister Secretariat, the Prime Minister said the use of force was not the right way to handle any problem. “Only dialogue and constructive talks can steer the province out of prevailing crisis,” he added. However, he categorically rejected to hold dialogue with those, who talk against the country’s sovereignty. “We have to identify forces, who are supporting the handful elements to create lawlessness in Balochistan,” he observed. The Prime Minister said that there were some external and internal forces involved in creating unrest in the province and they could only be defeated with combined efforts and political wisdom. He said that prevailing law and order situation was the result of unwise and anti-Baloch policies of dictators, bringing the province on the verge of destruction.

    “Balochistan is on the priority list of the government,” he said while reiterating the government’s pledge to remove the decades-long grievances of the people of the largest province of the country.

    Referring to the initiation of mega projects by the Federal Government in Balochistan, Ashraf said that PPP-led government had been taking serious interest in the development of the province since it came into power. The provincial ministers pointed out that the projects of Reko Diq, Kacchi Canal, Gwadar-Rato Dero road and Zhob-Dera Ismail Khan transmission line needed to be completed on priority. The Prime Minister assured early completion of the development projects.

    The issue of shortage of drinking water was also raised. On this the Prime Minister said that the completion of Mirani Dam would provide 200 million gallon additional drinking water for the people. Raja Pervez Ashraf said that he would also get an update on the steps being taken by the Pakistan Navy to meet the needs of drinking water for the people of Gwadar and Ormara. He said Balochistan was enriched with natural resources and it was now constitutionally empowered to get benefit from its mines and minerals. “The local people should be the beneficiary of the Reko Diq, copper and other mineral projects launched in Balochistan,” he added. On law and order situation, he said the government was committed to resolve the Balochistan issue and added that anti-peace elements would not succeed in their nefarious designs and they would be dealt with an iron hand.—APP

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    This Article is dated May 2009. Things have changed a lot since then.
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    Balochistan is totally under the radar of Western corporate media. But not the Pentagon's. An immense desert comprising almost 48% of Pakistan's area, rich in uranium and copper, potentially very rich in oil, and producing more than one-third of Pakistan's natural gas, it accounts for less than 4% of Pakistan's 173 million citizens. Balochs are the majority, followed by Pashtuns. Quetta, the provincial capital, is considered Taliban Central by the Pentagon, which for all its high-tech wizardry mysteriously has



    not been able to locate Quetta resident "The Shadow", historic Taliban emir Mullah Omar himself.

    Strategically, Balochistan is mouth-watering: east of Iran, south of Afghanistan, and boasting three Arabian sea ports, including Gwadar, practically at the mouth of the Strait of Hormuz.

    Gwadar - a port built by China - is the absolute key. It is the essential node in the crucial, ongoing, and still virtual Pipelineistan war between IPI and TAPI. IPI is the Iran-Pakistan-India pipeline, also known as the "peace pipeline", which is planned to cross from Iranian to Pakistani Balochistan - an anathema to Washington. TAPI is the perennially troubled, US-backed Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India pipeline, which is planned to cross western Afghanistan via Herat and branch out to Kandahar and Gwadar.

    Washington's dream scenario is Gwadar as the new Dubai - while China would need Gwadar as a port and also as a base for pumping gas via a long pipeline to China. One way or another, it will all depend on local grievances being taken very seriously. Islamabad pays a pittance in royalties for the Balochis, and development aid is negligible; Balochistan is treated as a backwater. Gwadar as the new Dubai would not necessarily mean local Balochis benefiting from the boom; in many cases they could even be stripped of their local land.

    To top it all, there's the New Great Game in Eurasia fact that Pakistan is a key pivot to both NATO and the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO), of which Pakistan is an observer. So whoever "wins" Balochistan incorporates Pakistan as a key transit corridor to either Iranian gas from the monster South Pars field or a great deal of the Caspian wealth of "gas republic" Turkmenistan.

    The cavalry to the rescue
    Now imagine thousands of mobile US troops - backed by supreme air power and hardcore artillery - pouring into this desert across the immense, 800-kilometer-long, empty southern Afghanistan-Balochistan border. These are Obama's surge troops who will be in theory destroying opium crops in Helmand province in Afghanistan. They will also try to establish a meaningful presence in the ultra-remote, southwest Afghanistan, Baloch-majority province of Nimruz. It would take nothing for them to hit Pakistani Balochistan in hot pursuit of Taliban bands. And this would certainly be a prelude for a de facto US invasion of Balochistan.

    What would the Balochis do? That's a very complex question.

    Balochistan is of course tribal - just as the FATA. Local tribal chiefs can be as backward as Islamabad is neglectful (and they are not exactly paragons of human rights either). A parallel could be made with the Swat valley.

    Most Baloch tribes bow to Islamabad's authority - except, first and foremost, the Bugti. And then there's the Balochistan Liberation Army (BLA) - which both Washington and London brand as a terrorist group. Its leader is Brahamdagh Bugti, operating out of Kandahar (only two hours away from Quetta). In a recent Pakistani TV interview he could not be more sectarian, stressing the BLA is getting ready to attack non-Balochis. The Balochis are inclined to consider the BLA as a resistance group. But Islamabad denies it, saying their support is not beyond 10% of the provincial population.

    It does not help that Islamabad tends to be not only neglectful but heavy-handed; in August 2006, Musharraf's troops killed ultra-respected local leader Nawab Akbar Bugti, a former provincial governor.

    There's ample controversy on whether the BLA is being hijacked by foreign intelligence agencies - everyone from the CIA and the British MI6 to the Israeli Mossad. In a 2006 visit to Iran, I was prevented from going to Sistan-Balochistan in southeast Iran because, according to Tehran's version, infiltrated CIA from Pakistani Balochistan were involved in covert, cross-border attacks. And it's no secret to anyone in the region that since 9/11 the US virtually controls the Baloch air bases in Dalbandin and Panjgur.

    In October 2001, while I was waiting for an opening to cross to Kandahar from Quetta, and apart from tracking the whereabouts of President Hamid Karzai and his brother, I spent quite some time with a number of BLA associates and sympathizers. They described themselves as "progressive, nationalist, anti-imperialist" (and that makes them difficult to be co-opted by the US). They were heavily critical of "Punjabi chauvinism", and always insisted the region's resources belong to Balochis first; that was the rationale for attacks on gas pipelines.

    Stressing an atrocious, provincial literacy rate of only 16% ("It's government policy to keep Balochistan backward"), they resented the fact that most people still lacked drinking water. They claimed support from at least 70% of the Baloch population ("Whenever the BLA fires a rocket, it's the talk of the bazaars"). They also claimed to be united, and in coordination with Iranian Balochis. And they insisted that "Pakistan had turned Balochistan into a US cantonment, which affected a lot the relationship between the Afghan and Baloch peoples".

    As a whole, not only BLA sympathizers but the Balochis in general are adamant: although prepared to remain within a Pakistani confederation, they want infinitely more autonomy.

    Game on
    How crucial Balochistan is to Washington can be assessed by the study "Baloch Nationalism and the Politics of Energy Resources: the Changing Context of Separatism in Pakistan" by Robert Wirsing of the US Army think-tank Strategic Studies Institute. Predictably, it all revolves around Pipelineistan.

    China - which built Gwadar and needs gas from Iran - must be sidelined by all means necessary. The added paranoid Pentagon component is that China could turn Gwadar into a naval base and thus "threaten" the Arabian Sea and the Indian Ocean.

    The only acceptable scenario for the Pentagon would be for the US to take over Gwadar. Once again, that would be a prime confluence of Pipelineistan and the US empire of bases.

    Not only in terms of blocking the IPI pipeline and using Gwadar for TAPI, control of Gwadar would open the mouth-watering opportunity of a long land route across Balochistan into Helmand, Nimruz, Kandahar or, better yet, all of these three provinces in southwest Afghanistan. From a Pentagon/NATO perspective, after the "loss" of the Khyber Pass, that would be the ideal supply route for Western troops in the perennial, now rebranded, GWOT ("global war on terror").

    During the Asif Ali Zardari administration in Islamabad the BLA, though still a fringe group with a political wing and a military wing, has been regrouping and rearming, while the current chief minister of Balochistan, Nawab Raisani, is suspected of being a CIA asset (there's no conclusive proof). There's fear in Islamabad that the government has taken its eye off the Balochistan ball - and that the BLA may be effectively used by the US for balkanization purposes. But Islamabad still seems not to have listened to the key Baloch grievance: we want to profit from our natural wealth, and we want autonomy.

    So what's gonna be the future of "Dubai" Gwadar? IPI or TAPI? The die is cast. Under the radar of the Obama/Karzai/Zardari photo-op in Washington, all's still to play in this crucial front in the New Great Game in Eurasia.
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    This is just some propaganda that some Pakistanis are now starting to repeat lies emanating from west and India. We must remember how resources are equally distributed and that the economic mess is the work of politicians and terrorists in the province. The myth of victimisation of our Pakistani Baloch in their homeland, Pakistan is just that a myth. Why this rent a prime minister is even giving this the oxygen of publicity is silly


    This propaganda is used to weaken us and mislead our young Pakistani Baloch. To start, the myth revolves around the idea that Pakistani Baloch are or were deprived of state resources and were not allowed to manage their affairs. How Pakistani Balochis received an unfair deal is never spelled out in any detail. But the accusation is made with little evidence to back it up.

    1. Balochistan receives 9% of state resources. With less than five per cent of Pakistan's population.

    2. Balochistan resources are used in the same way that resources of all other provinces are used. The rules for this are in the Constitution and are same for all the provinces. If the provincial govt feels the rules are not fair they can approach the Supreme Court with evidence. This is has never been done cos there is no evidence.

    3. Balochistan province lags behind in the areas of security, education, healthcare and jobs. All of these fall under the the provincial government, which has always been run by Baloch politicians. If blame is to be assigned it should on persons that have ruled the province as representatives of the Pakistani Baloch.

    4. Terrorists encouraged by our enemies like India have destroyed Balochistan’s economy. By resorting to terrorism a few traitors killed or scared away most of the teachers, doctors and professional.

    Both Baloch and non-Baloch professional Pakistanis avoid the province thanks to these terrorists. No person is going to even think of making an investment in the province in the conditions that these terrorists have created. Business closures and prospects for the future are less. Even I was thinking of buying some plots of land near gwador but am reluctant to cos of security issues

    This is not the work of the rest of the country Punjab etc. This is the creation of these terrorists who also happen to be sons of two or three tribal chiefs.

    Pakistani Baloch must open their eyes to the fact that the people who have done this are enemies. Those who have sold themselves to foreign governments. The rest are too gullible or ill-informed and have fallen prey to a false sense of injustice which is not helping the cause of Balochistan province or of Pakistan.

    So please can Pakistan Prime minister give the above the oxygen of publicity and go on the offensive.

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    Fighting insurgency: Punjab clears swoop on Baloch insurgent camps



    LAHORE: Authorities in Punjab have cleared plans for a swoop on ‘eight training camps for Baloch insurgents’ located on the confluence of the Punjab-Balochistan border, The Express Tribune has learnt.


    In a coordinated move, the Balochistan government has also decided to launch a crackdown against ‘criminals’ on its side of the border.

    Arrangements have been finalised for an operation against the secretly-run training facilities – locally known as Farari camps – in Rajanpur district, according to a source. Punjab police, aided by other law-enforcement agencies, would conduct the operation.

    Rajanpur borders the troubled Dera Bugti district of Balochistan.

    The presence of Farari camps in the mountains of Rajanpur was confirmed in a confidential intelligence report. At these camps, insurgents are trained in the use of heavy weapons, including rocket launchers and hand grenades.

    Arms and ammunition for these camps are smuggled from neighbouring Afghanistan, according to the report.

    Balochistan has been in the throes of a deadly tribal insurgency since 2004. The insurgent groups involved are demanding more political autonomy and ownership of natural resources of the region.

    The insurgency became fiercer in the wake of the killing of Baloch chieftain Nawab Akbar Bugti in a military operation in 2006.

    Last month, the chief of paramilitary Frontier Corps said that insurgent groups, including Baloch Liberation Army, Baloch Republican Army and Baloch Liberation Front, were operating 121 Farari camps in different parts of Balochistan.

    “Another 30 camps are operating in Afghanistan,” Maj Gen Ubaidullah Khan Khattak told a news conference last week, while also signalling the hand of some ‘foreign powers’ in the insurgency.

    The intelligence report said Baloch insurgents have infiltrated the FC and other law enforcement agencies who leaked sensitive information to their groups.

    Around 15 people abducted from different parts of the country are being held captive in these camps, the report said, adding that most of them have been kidnapped for ransom.

    Extracts of the report were also shared by the Punjab home department with the provincial police chief. Key commanders, including Ali Jan, Nadir, Pandi, Bakhshu, Muhammad Saleh Kasmani and Sherdil, are running these camps.

    These commanders have also been travelling to Rahim Yar Khan, Sadiqabad, Rohri, Guddu, Kashmore and Katcha areas, according to the report.

    In Quetta, officials attending a high-level meeting agreed to mount an operation against the hideouts of criminals involved in incidents of kidnapping for ransom and target killings.

    The operation would be carried out in Bolan and Mastung districts.

    The meeting discussed the security situation in the province, particularly the recent surge in terrorist attacks and kidnapping for ransom incidents in Quetta.

    Attendees at the meeting included Chief Secretary Babar Yaqoob Fateh Mohammad, FC chief Maj Gen Obaidullah Khattak, Home Secretary Nasibullah Khan Bazai, Quetta police chief Mir Zubair Mehmood and DIG (Special Branch) Rehmatullah Khan Niazi.

    The meeting decided that the police force be trained on modern lines and armed with sophisticated weapons. As many as 100 surveillance cameras would be installed in different neighbourhoods of Quetta to keep an eye on criminals.

    Several government departments were directed to synchronise their efforts to improve internal and external security of the province.

    The law enforcement agencies will also boost patrolling duties in the city to foil terrorist attacks.
    (With additional reporting by our correspondent in Quetta)

    It is more than 121 Farrari camps???
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    * Raja advises ‘few angry youngsters’ not to play in enemies’ hands

    * Vows not to let few people take entire province hostage for their agenda

    * Blames foreign powers for unrest in province

    * Rules out talks with anti-Pakistan elements

    ISLAMABAD: Prime Minister Raja Pervez Ashraf on Tuesday expressed full faith in holding constructive dialogue and political engagement with disgruntled Baloch youth, which he said could steer the province and country out of its current problems.

    "Entire Pakistan is yours, come and talk to your own government. You will not be disappointed," he said.

    Addressing a workshop on ‘Balochistan Situation - Perception and Realities, the Way Forward’ at the National Defence University (NDU), the prime minister extended an olive branch to the estranged elements in the province, saying Pakistan is capable of resolving its issues by asserting its sovereignty.

    He urged the "few angry youngsters" involved in negative activities within the country and abroad not to fall prey to the intrigues of detractors of Pakistan. He said the government would do everything to restore peace and security in Balochistan, however, stressed that "we would not talk to those who are against Pakistan's sovereignty and Pakistani flag".

    The PM also accused foreign powers of fuelling unrest in Balochistan and vowed not to let a few people take the entire province hostage for their agenda. He declared that the people of Pakistan would go an extra mile to redress the grievances of the people of Balochistan.

    Raja reiterated that the unrest in Balochistan was an "internal issue" of the country that would be amicably resolved through "collective wisdom". He also brushed aside the notion that insurgency is raging in the province, saying trouble in some pockets of the province could not be called insurgency. However, he emphasised this problem should be tackled to check its spiraling impact.

    The prime minister urged the national media to refrain from towing the line of the foreign media on Balochistan issue, which, he said, was projecting it "disproportionately". He said it was undermining national solidarity and causing anxiety among the people of Pakistan.

    He also stressed seeing the situation of the province in its real perspective by keeping in view its connections with the internal and external situation. "There is not one, but many fronts on which we need to fight for the cause of the people of Balochistan," he added.

    Raja urged all stakeholders to keep in mind the larger interest of the nation, which was linked to the future of Balochistan and the country. "Dispassionate" decisions could have impact on the lives of people in the long run,” he observed. He also stressed rising above personal interests to empathise with Baloch brothers and find pragmatic solutions for all issues.

    "What we want to achieve is actually winning the hearts of our brothers through a solemn and dedicated commitment for their socio-economic uplift," he said.

    Raja noted that sectarian killings in the province needed to be seen in context of geo-strategic linkages to the Balochistan issue and said non-state actors and foreign-sponsored groups, under the garb of sectarian cover, were fueling the fire that warranted vigilance at government and society levels.

    The prime minister also commended the role of Pakistan Army and Frontier Corps in promoting and protecting national interests in Balochistan. He stressed laying focus on social sector, including education and healthcare, wherein Balochistan lagged behind due to vast area and lack of resources vis-à-vis demand.

    "Balochistan tops the agenda of the present government and we will do everything possible to eliminate the sense of deprivation among our Baloch brothers and sisters," he added. staff report

    http://www.dailytimes.com.pk/default...8-7-2012_pg1_1

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    The Baloch people are a unique ethno-linguistic group spread between Afghanistan, Iran, and Pakistan. Throughout history they have been the victims of marginalization within their respective countries. This analysis begins by detailing the low-level insurgency the Pakistani Baloch have fought against the federal government of Pakistan since 2004. It then presents the drivers of historical conflict including tribal divisions, the Baloch-Pashtun divide, marginalization by Punjabi interests, and economic oppression. The contemporary conflict drivers are then examined, which include the construction of the Gwadar mega-port, oil revenues, the war in Afghanistan, and repression by the Pakistani government. The Baloch insurgency will then be placed in a larger regional and global context. By examining the conflict drivers in Pakistani Balochistan and its implications for South Asia, it is clear that while a complete cessation of the conflict is unlikely, ensuring the conflict remains limited is an important element for stability in Pakistan and the region more broadly.

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    Just American propaganda designed to destabilise Pakistan and make Pakistan more amenable to American diktat

    I was moved to state this on another thread:

    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    The issue is in Balochistan is largely a propaganda one


    In any event this matter is done to death in this thread

    http://www.affairspak.com/showthread...ht=balochistan

    This is just some propaganda propagated lies emanating from west and India. We must remember how resources are equally distributed and that the economic mess is the work of politicians and terrorists in the province. The myth of victimisation of our Pakistani Baloch in their homeland, Pakistan is just that a myth.


    This propaganda is used to weaken us and mislead our young Pakistani Baloch. To start, the myth revolves around the idea that Pakistani Baloch are or were deprived of state resources and were not allowed to manage their affairs. How Pakistani Balochis received an unfair deal is never spelled out in any detail. But the accusation is made with little evidence to back it up.

    1. Balochistan receives 9% of state resources. With less than five per cent of Pakistan's population.

    2. Balochistan resources are used in the same way that resources of all other provinces are used. The rules for this are in the Constitution and are same for all the provinces. If the provincial govt feels the rules are not fair they can approach the Supreme Court with evidence. This is has never been done cos there is no evidence.

    3. Balochistan province lags behind in the areas of security, education, healthcare and jobs. All of these fall under the the provincial government, which has always been run by Baloch politicians. If blame is to be assigned it should on persons that have ruled the province as representatives of the Pakistani Baloch.

    4. Terrorists encouraged by our enemies like India have destroyed Balochistan’s economy. By resorting to terrorism a few traitors killed or scared away most of the teachers, doctors and professional.

    Both Baloch and non-Baloch professional Pakistanis avoid the province thanks to these terrorists. No person is going to even think of making an investment in the province in the conditions that these terrorists have created. Business closures and prospects for the future are less. Even I was thinking of buying some plots of land near gwador but am reluctant to cos of security issues

    This is not the work of the rest of the country Punjab etc. This is the creation of these terrorists who also happen to be sons of two or three tribal chiefs.

    Pakistani Baloch must open their eyes to the fact that the people who have done this are enemies. Those who have sold themselves to foreign governments. The rest are too gullible or ill-informed and have fallen prey to a false sense of injustice which is not helping the cause of Balochistan province or of Pakistan.
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    Gear up for huge disaster in Baluchistan. Something big is being cooked according to my reports, as elections are coming up. This time the policy will be like that of MQM; anyone not voting for them will be targeted. This applies for Karachi where the political militants have strong holds but in Baluchistan many people don't support the political militancy parties and the situation is going to go worse after sometime.

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    @ Aryan : Dude, whatever the 'numbers' maybe, the ground realities are that nothing gets done over there ! Do you think the average Baloch whos going through hell to make ends meet is going to go on a fact-finding mission to the Public Accounts Office to determine the veracity of his Sardar's (or any other Leader's) claims or the counter-claim by the Government ? Or is he/she going to look around and see the lack of pretty much anything and go 'Haan sardar sahi keh rahaa hai - Yes..the Sardar is correct !'
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armstrong View Post
    @ Aryan : Dude, whatever the 'numbers' maybe, the ground realities are that nothing gets done over there ! Do you think the average Baloch whos going through hell to make ends meet is going to go on a fact-finding mission to the Public Accounts Office to determine the veracity of his Sardar's (or any other Leader's) claims or the counter-claim by the Government ? Or is he/she going to look around and see the lack of pretty much anything and go 'Haan sardar sahi keh rahaa hai - Yes..the Sardar is correct !'
    You touched on a key issue there.

    The fact is that the insurgent/separatist narrative of 'Baloch exploitation' has been proliferated extensively to the point where the socio-economic problems that Balochistan shares with the rest of the country are looked at as being unique and due to 'exploitation' by the Baloch, even though the rest of the country suffers from them as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgNoStIc MuSliM View Post
    You touched on a key issue there.

    The fact is that the insurgent/separatist narrative of 'Baloch exploitation' has been proliferated extensively to the point where the socio-economic problems that Balochistan shares with the rest of the country are looked at as being unique and due to 'exploitation' by the Baloch, even though the rest of the country suffers from them as well.
    Indeed AM, I've had the experience of meeting around 10-15 Baloch from Quetta here in Lahore for an 11-aside match of football. One of them was my friend and so, as inquisitive as I was, I walked upto them and tried to inquire about 'Balochistan', about the 'desire of the common Baloch' etc. If I had to sum up their grievances against the Central Government it would be as follows :

    - the Baloch Nation is being systematically targeted by the FC and the security agencies because they - the Baloch - are finally speaking up against the years of abuse and exploitation.

    - there is a pre-planned attempt at reducing the numerical strength of the Baloch in their own, to use their words, 'ancestral homeland' by importing 'Punjabi and Mohajir settlers' into the province and by continuing to be a home for millions of Pukhtoons from Afghanistan.

    - all the top slots in the Government machinery is dominated by the Punjabis and Mohajirs and this is to ensure that the children of the Baloch don't progress beyond their present day condition of playing second fiddle to the rest of 'Pakistan' in everything.

    Suffice it so say that most of that wasn't a pleasant hearing and the Baloch were unanimous in exclaiming that due to the present policies of the Government of Pakistan and their subsequent sorry-attempts at addressing the issues (Aghaz-e-Haqooq-e-Balochistan and the sort !) the common Baloch is beginning to tacitly endorse the freedom struggle with some even taking active part in it by joining their ranks. In short, according to them, Balochistan is burning up and the Government seems hell bent on only adding more fuel to the proverbial fire.

    Now I don't know how reflective they were of the sentiments of the common Baloch ! If Irfan Baloch and PakistanNationalist on the other forum are anything to go by - They are not ! But all of them were 'ethnic Baloch' and one of them said something that cut at my very heart : When Kashmir was ravaged by the earthquake, when Sindh and Punjab were inundated by the floods and when the IDPs from Swat to FATA were forced to leave their homes and their livelihood - the whole of Pakistan poured their hearts out for them ! We - the Baloch - have been living in the same conditions as they were in the late 1800s...who weeps for us ?
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    Excellent analysis Armstrong, im really touched by your thoughts. Why isnt the Pakistani government offering the same support to the baloch population?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armstrong View Post
    Indeed AM, I've had the experience of meeting around 10-15 Baloch from Quetta here in Lahore for an 11-aside match of football. One of them was my friend and so, as inquisitive as I was, I walked upto them and tried to inquire about 'Balochistan', about the 'desire of the common Baloch' etc. If I had to sum up their grievances against the Central Government it would be as follows :

    - the Baloch Nation is being systematically targeted by the FC and the security agencies because they - the Baloch - are finally speaking up against the years of abuse and exploitation.

    - there is a pre-planned attempt at reducing the numerical strength of the Baloch in their own, to use their words, 'ancestral homeland' by importing 'Punjabi and Mohajir settlers' into the province and by continuing to be a home for millions of Pukhtoons from Afghanistan.

    - all the top slots in the Government machinery is dominated by the Punjabis and Mohajirs and this is to ensure that the children of the Baloch don't progress beyond their present day condition of playing second fiddle to the rest of 'Pakistan' in everything.

    Suffice it so say that most of that wasn't a pleasant hearing and the Baloch were unanimous in exclaiming that due to the present policies of the Government of Pakistan and their subsequent sorry-attempts at addressing the issues (Aghaz-e-Haqooq-e-Balochistan and the sort !) the common Baloch is beginning to tacitly endorse the freedom struggle with some even taking active part in it by joining their ranks. In short, according to them, Balochistan is burning up and the Government seems hell bent on only adding more fuel to the proverbial fire.

    Now I don't know how reflective they were of the sentiments of the common Baloch ! If Irfan Baloch and PakistanNationalist on the other forum are anything to go by - They are not ! But all of them were 'ethnic Baloch' and one of them said something that cut at my very heart : When Kashmir was ravaged by the earthquake, when Sindh and Punjab were inundated by the floods and when the IDPs from Swat to FATA were forced to leave their homes and their livelihood - the whole of Pakistan poured their hearts out for them ! We - the Baloch - have been living in the same conditions as they were in the late 1800s...who weeps for us ?
    Goes to show how deeply entrenched this propaganda is amongst the masses, and how Pakistan must 'act' decisively without alienating the Baloch people (which it has failed to do since 1947).

    Just highlighting the propaganda in your post: Demographics of regions change over the years, inhabitants of New York city have moved to the suburbs in Long Island, & New York is full of immigrants today. Similar case with London. It does not take "concerted efforts" to change the population demographics of a region, this is propaganda at its very best.

    In fact, there are more Baloch people living in other parts of Pakistan than in Balochistan itself. When a region is part of a country, it is 'open' to people of all ethnicities and backgrounds; not being open to other countrymen is a problem. After all, what would happen if Sindh decided to send back all the Balochis back to Balochistan, Punjab decided to send all the Pakhtuns back to KPK etc? I think you understand my point.

    There is another grievance amongst the Baloch people, that there are no efforts being made to 'preserve' their language, & that it is dying out. Urdu is a franca lingua for everyone in Pakistan, a 'common ground/medium' for all ethnicities of Pakistan to understand each other, a neutral language not favoring any ethnicity. Punjabis & Pashtuns, despite not have their languages taught in schools/universities, have preserved their language, & their languages are still 'going strong'. I am a Bihari Muhajir, & it is not the fault of the Pakistan government that Bhojpuri/Maithali wasn't taught in the educational system here, our language is dying out because we decided that wanted to integrate into Pakistan, & because we married a lot of Urdu speaking Muhajirs from UP. Everyone in Pakistan has to make an effort to preserve their national language, the Sindhis have done that (they even have their educational systems), which is why their language is still going strong.

    Make no mistake, the Baloch youth are 'bored', with the lack of development and attention given from the Central government (or the Sardars) since 1947, & they bring these nonsensical arguments up, which shows how effective the propaganda is. Pakistan must act decisively, it must not appease the Sardars and alienate the people like it has been doing, the ordinary Baloch youth must reap the benefits of any efforts taken by the Pakistan government, not the Sardars.
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    The situation of Balochistan is oddly similar to Sindh. In Sindh, the Sindhi masses have no problems with non-Sindhis; & it's a similar case with Baloch masses in Balochistan. Everyone born & residing in Balochistan is considered part of that land by the Balochi masses; but the way the Sindhi "nationalist" parties are active in Sindh (to a much lower degree than Baloch "nationalist" ones), the Baloch "nationalist" groups/terrorists are active in Balochistan; they do not have the popular support of the masses, only a few.

    Most people know these nationalist groups only have self-serving political ambitions, & don't want to improve the quality of life of the ordinary Baloch. Even though many Sindhi "nationalist" parties are active at Sindh, whenever I mention Sindhudesh to my Sindhi friends in Jamshoro & Kotri, they laugh out about it, calling the separation of Sindh from Pakistan "a bad joke".

    The Pakistan government must gain the confidence of the Baloch masses, not appeasing the Sardars as they have done over the years. The Sardars are hands and gloves in with the Baloch nationalist groups/terrorists.
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    Bilal, I hear you but my contention remains the same : It doesn't matter what the facts are ! A disgruntled illiterate Baloch who has little or no hope for the future isn't going to sit down and try to look at it 'logically'...!

    Perception counts and unless we're able to change the 'perception' of those amongst the Baloch who are fed up with Pakistan...we're not going to make them amenable enough to even look at 'Us-the rest of Pakistan' in a positive light. Right now we're failing miserably on the PR front...!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Armstrong View Post
    Bilal, I hear you but my contention remains the same : It doesn't matter what the facts are ! A disgruntled illiterate Baloch who has little or no hope for the future isn't going to sit down and try to look at it 'logically'...!

    Perception counts and unless we're able to change the 'perception' of those amongst the Baloch who are fed up with Pakistan...we're not going to make them amenable enough to even look at 'Us-the rest of Pakistan' in a positive light. Right now we're failing miserably on the PR front...!
    I agree with you, but it is wrong to claim that the average Baloch is anti-Pakistan, that is simply not true.

    I also said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by bilalhaider View Post
    Goes to show how deeply entrenched this propaganda is amongst the masses, and how Pakistan must 'act' decisively without alienating the Baloch people (which it has failed to do since 1947).
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    the Baloch "nationalist" groups/terrorists are active in Balochistan; they do not have the popular support of the masses, only a few.

    Most people know these nationalist groups only have self-serving political ambitions, & don't want to improve the quality of life of the ordinary Baloch.

    The Pakistan government must gain the confidence of the Baloch masses, not appeasing the Sardars as they have done over the years. The Sardars are hands and gloves in with the Baloch nationalist groups/terrorists.
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    Seems relatively simple to sort out if we had a decent leader. We need to nationalise the lands and assets of the feudals redistribute the wealth of those to poor baloch people and launch a massive propaganda programme against the anti Pakistan propaganda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryan_B View Post
    Seems relatively simple to sort out if we had a decent leader. We need to nationalise the lands and assets of the feudals redistribute the wealth of those to poor baloch people and launch a massive propaganda programme against the anti Pakistan propaganda.
    Aryan if we try to penalise the feudels then Indian consulates in Afghanistan will be there to give them passports for a safe passage. Remember Bramdagh.
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    Missing persons in Pakistan

    No knowledge about ‘missing’ persons, ISI tells SHC


    KARACHI: Sindh High Court (SHC), hearing the case pertaining to the‘missing’ persons on Thursday, issued contempt of court notices to the police officials. The Inter Service Intelligence (ISI) presented an affidavit in the SHC saying that it had no knowledge about the ‘missing’ persons, DawnNews reported.

    SHC’s two-member bench heard the case of the missing persons including Qari Haq Nawaz.

    The SHC directed the Inspector General (IG) Sindh Police to take personal interest in the case.

    The court also directed the authorities to contact the telecom operators for the call records of the ‘missing’ persons.

    The SHC issued a contempt of court notice to the Senior Superintendent of Police (SSP) Special Investigation Unit (SIU).

    The hearing was subsequently adjourned till August 20.

    Earlier, the Hyderabad circuit bench of SHC had directed the Sindh home secretary and DIG Hyderabad Sanaullah Abbasi to appear before the court in the event of failure to find a missing person by Aug 8


    No knowledge about ‘missing’ persons, ISI tells SHC | DAWN.COM

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