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    Pakistan Iran IPI pipeline updates

    Iran offered Pakistan help for construction of a multi-billion-dollar gas pipeline. Iran and Pakistan set up a joint working committee to finalize a deal for laying Pakistan's portion of pipeline by Tehran.

    Iran also offered to set up an oil refinery in Pakistan. Earlier, it had discussed a plan to lay an oil pipeline to Gwadar where a refinery would be set up to process crude oil. The proposals were made during two days talks last week in Islamabad.

    Iranian authorities reiterated their resolve to provide technical and financial help for constructing gas pipeline. A joint working committee will consider different options for Iran to lay pipeline.

    Tehran had agreed to provide $250 million and willing to arrange more financing through commercial banks.

    German-based firm ILF completed detailed engineering design of pipeline and according to interim feasibility report, project will cost $1.2 billion to $1.5 billion. If local companies participate, cost will come down and if foreign firms undertake the venture it will go up. There is also option under which local and Iranian companies will join hands to complete project.

    Though Iran is an option to strike deal on government-to- government basis, Pakistan is also discussing construction of pipeline with China and Russia.

    Iran-Pakistan joint committee on oil, gas, energy meeting this week in Islamabad discussed bilateral cooperation in oil and gas sectors. Iranian team was headed by Dr Ahmad Khaledi, Deputy Oil Minister for Internal Affairs. Pakistan team was led by Abid Saeed, Additional Secretary Petroleum & Natural Resources Ministry. Iran team expressed intention to invest in hydrocarbon exploration, production including upstream and midstream sectors.

    (Source: Pakistan Press International)
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    I am pleased to see we are getting closer to achieving this wih our Iranian allies - win win for both nations
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    BTW is it true that Gwadar has the potential of being another Dubai or is that all heresay?
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    BTW is it true that Gwadar has the potential of being another Dubai or is that all heresay?
    It has tremendous potential --- please look at the geo political status of Gwadar and you will see the importance --- far better than the dubai
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    BTW is it true that Gwadar has the potential of being another Dubai or is that all heresay?
    The location is certainly strategic. Useful from many aspects. With the right development policies it has great potential
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    Agreed with all comments, Gwadar has massive potential and is extremely important for boht China and Pakistan. This is why the Americans want to control it! Also UAE has massive problem, if Gwadar becomes active, Dubai is finished and Jebel Ali Port loses all its influence since Gwadar is more central and better located! IT would mean billions lost for UAE.
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    The USA will suffer from "unintended consequences" of their irrational actions in our region..
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Shaban View Post
    Agreed with all comments, Gwadar has massive potential and is extremely important for boht China and Pakistan. This is why the Americans want to control it! Also UAE has massive problem, if Gwadar becomes active, Dubai is finished and Jebel Ali Port loses all its influence since Gwadar is more central and better located! IT would mean billions lost for UAE.
    Don't quote me on this but I wonder in the light of that if the UAE could be somehow behind the recent uprising in Balochistan which more or less coincided with Pakistan's greater interest in getting Gwadar up and running !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Armstrong View Post
    Don't quote me on this but I wonder in the light of that if the UAE could be somehow behind the recent uprising in Balochistan which more or less coincided with Pakistan's greater interest in getting Gwadar up and running !
    I hope not. It would be very sad disappointing and foolish on their part
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    Quote Originally Posted by KingKong View Post
    BTW is it true that Gwadar has the potential of being another Dubai or is that all heresay?
    Gwadar has all the potential you can imagine to make it another Dubai for serving Pakistan, South Asia, CAR and China. But we need another decade to develop strategic port into a world class trading center.

    We need to stabilize both Balochistan and Afghanistan and improve trade with CAR and China and set up more export processing industries in the region. Rikoh Dikh mines are nearing production stage and there is millions of tons of copper to be exported and this is only the beginning. Many other resources are untabbed including oil and gas and ores.

    Afghanistan too has huge export potential of natural resources. Last year world's largest reserves of Lithium were discovered in central Afghanistan. Both Gwadar and Chahbahar will be competing to export Afghan minerals.
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    Actually yes, UAE has intellegence in Pakistan and UAE is highly suspected to have a role in the uprisings in Balochistan so does Oman and Omani intellegence, Jebel Ali Dubai and Oman are severly affected by Gwadar and will have disaster if it becomes fully operaitonal.

    Sorry guyz but this is reality. Rumor has it that Shiekh Muhammad (OR Zayed, bt most probably Muhammad) had huge argument with Pervez Musharraf over Gwadar and other issues. It was supposed to be heated exchange.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mustafa Shaban View Post
    Actually yes, UAE has intellegence in Pakistan and UAE is highly suspected to have a role in the uprisings in Balochistan so does Oman and Omani intellegence, Jebel Ali Dubai and Oman are severly affected by Gwadar and will have disaster if it becomes fully operaitonal.

    Sorry guyz but this is reality. Rumor has it that Shiekh Muhammad (OR Zayed, bt most probably Muhammad) had huge argument with Pervez Musharraf over Gwadar and other issues. It was supposed to be heated exchange.
    Thanks for this info....its quite shocking but your statement makes complete sense and is an eye opener - many thanks to UAE and Oman.....
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    Pakistan Iran IPI pipeline updates

    Iran and Pakistan keep working on IPI gas pipeline project

    Agha Iqrar Haroon Thursday 09 August 2012



    ISLAMABAD - The United States has loudly criticized the Iran-Pakistan-India Pipeline (IPI) project and supporting Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) gas pipeline, while Pakistan decided to work on both projects, as experts believe that TAPI is financially an unstable and unviable project, while IPI can be a success. However, Pakistan apparently does not want to annoy the United States, therefore, it will also keep working on TAPI.

    IPI does not touch any troubled areas, including a safe passage from Baluchistan, because according to the proposed design, the pipeline shall be constructed on-shore from the delivery point at the Pakistan-Iran border to the point at which the gas is injected into the national gas transmission system in Pakistan (Nawabshah).

    The pipeline will connect Iran's giant South Fars gas field with Pakistan's Baluchistan and Sindh provinces.


    Pakistan will construct about an 800-km long pipeline from its border, passing through the Mekran Coastal Highway to connect with its existing gas transmission network at Nawabshah. Iran has almost finished a 300-km-long stretch from Iranshahr to Pakistan's border through the Iranian port of Chabahar.

    On completion, 5,000 megawatts of electricity will be generated through this gas, which is equivalent to the peak shortage of power at present.

    In February 2012, the Russian government asked Pakistan to award a piece of the project worth $1.2 billion of the pipeline-laying contract of the Iran-Pakistan-India Gas Pipeline to its energy giant, Gazprom, and without going into a bidding process, IPI is a much quicker solution and more secure. TAPI would mainly pass through Afghanistan, however, securing a large diameter pipeline may be an issue. The completion time of TAPI is much longer than IPI, with no investor in sight.

    Whether IPI or TAPI will become reality for Pakistan remains questionable, with the answer not to come from Pakistan or India, but rather from with investors.

    Turkmenistan, Afghanistan, Pakistan, and India formally agreed to build the pipeline, which is set to supply some 30 billion cubic meters per year of Turkmen natural gas to India, but no international consortium has guaranteed investment in the project, although the United States is putting its full weight behind the project to make it a reality in order to ensure a regular income of around US$400 million to Afghanistan per year by way of a "transit" fee.


    The Afghan government has ensured partners to assign as many as 12,000 Afghan security personnel to safeguard the security of the TAPI project. Kandahar and Herat provinces will be the main provinces impacted by the TAPI pipeline, which is expected to cover 735 km of Afghanistan. This insurance indicates how risky this gas pipeline route is, where one suicide bomber can explode himself resulting in a disruption of the gas supply. How a 735-km-long pipeline can be saved from expected well-coordinated suicide bomber attacks in this area, is the biggest question that nobody has been able to satisfactorily answer to international investors.


    The pipeline will run 144 km in Turkmenistan, 735 km into Afghanistan, and 800 km in Pakistan, before reaching India and will have a capacity to transport 90 mscmd of gas - 38 mscmd each for India and Pakistan, and the remaining 14 mscmd for Afghanistan.



    Now in September, the Asian Development Bank, United States of America, and all four countries involved, will place the project in a showcase to the United Kingdom to attract investors. One of interested parties in the past, the Russian national company Gazprom, is now lacking interest in the project, while it is ready to invest instantly in the Iran-Pakistan-India (IPI) Pipeline project. IPI looks very viable for energy-starved Pakistan, as this pipeline has already reached and is ready to operate at the Pakistan-Iran border, and its route is trouble free. However, constant and tremendous pressure from the USA against Iran is the biggest hurdle in realizing this project. It looks like Pakistan does not want to withdraw from IPI unless TAPI gets funding and its execution is 100 percent confirmed.



    During the Shanghai Cooperation Organization (SCO) summit, the President of Pakistan, Asif Ali Zardari, discussed the IPI project with the Iranian President, and the two sides have agreed to urgently resolve the issue of credit for the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline, so as to complete the project expeditiously. According to reports, Pakistan emphasized the need for an early completion of projects, including IPI and the electricity project.



    Sources indicate that Mr. Zardari, during his meetings at Shanghai, talked about this project at length and was of the view that Pakistan will keep working on IPI despite U.S. pressures.



    The United States considers the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India project the most important to stabilize Afghanistan in post-NATO withdrawal from Afghanistan. The project is a part of a US-sponsored New Silk Road project. The route of this pipeline is through the Hot Bed of Afghanistan - Herat and Kandahar provinces - that have constantly been under the control of the Taliban even during the full presence of NATO forces. One can understand how much these areas could be under the control of the Taliban once international forces are withdrawn. Indian experts are of the view that TAPI can only be possible if it is underground, but that will increase the cost of the project from an estimated US$7.6 billion to an estimated US$12 billion, because the underground pipeline will be laid in a concrete tunnel.



    The instability in Afghanistan and in the Baluchistan areas of Pakistan is complicating the implementation of the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India project.



    The Russian National Energy Institute (RNEI), in its latest report, suggested that the Russian government should refrain from investing in this project. The Director General of RNEI, Mr. Pravosudov, is of the view that two controversial points that relate to the issue of security still remain in this issue, and it is still a big question as to how realistic it is that this project will be implemented. In both cases, he said, the situation is not very favorable for the implementation of large investment projects like TAPI. The Russian National Energy Institute is of the view that until security issue is resolved, the parties will not begin construction of the pipeline, and the issue, according to the expert, is unlikely to be resolved in the near future.


    Iran and Pakistan keep working on IPI gas pipeline project - Tehran Times


    It is fantastic to see two Islamic republics resisting American pressure and doing what is best for their people. After all what does it have to do with Americans if the IP deal is good for Iranians and Pakistani's to become a hurdle.

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    i think pakistan and iran must cooperate about military stuff! if we do so we can be the best in the world! iran have a good capability in ground and sea , and pakistan have a good air force , we can easily boost everything if we work hard!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Goebbles View Post
    i think pakistan and iran must cooperate about military stuff! if we do so we can be the best in the world! iran have a good capability in ground and sea , and pakistan have a good air force , we can easily boost everything if we work hard!
    Lets hope our leaders can get their act together. I am very pleased that Pakistan has not listened to America regarding the pipeline
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    are we building it or waiting for finance?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SamranALI View Post
    are we building it or waiting for finance?

    Use search function to search there are a numebr of threads on here. Iranian side is built. Our side is well advanced we have instructed surveyors. They are finalising who does what. But Pakistan have to do it as they have signed a contract with penalty clauses. Pakistan has had offers of finance from a number of sources even Iranians have offered. but I think they are trying to include China and or Russia so as to reduce chance of American sanctions
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    every time heard that we are arranging finance never about construction.as you mentioned penalty clause so we should work really fast.
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    1.The IP pipeline has reportedly reached Iran's border,

    2 Pakistan has completed the survey for construction of pipeline on its side.

    3. Iran has agreed to provide US$250 million and upped it to $500 million to help Pakistan build its end of a gas pipeline

    4. Under a sovereign-guarantee agreement related to the Iran pipeline project, Pakistan is bound to start gas flows in 2014 or face a penalty the equivalent of $8 million per day.

    5. Gazprom agreed to fund it provided it did not go to open bid. Which Pakistanis are reluctant but if push comes to shove they will go for

    6. Last year, Pakistan awarded a $55 million consultancy services contract for IP pipeline to German firm ILF Engineering Services, which is working in collaboration with the National Engineering Services of Pakistan


    Iran could if she wanted fund the lot but both Iran and Pakistan want some involvement ideally from Chinese and or Russia. The effect of one or both of these nations would mean that US would find it harder to sanction lets say all 4 countries of these countries.


    the Saudis have tried to dissuade Pakistan and have not got very far. If there was any chance of Pakistan backing out they would have taken the bribe or assistance from Saudis and stopped working on it.
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    IP gas project: Who will finance Pakistan’s side of pipeline?

    As Russia and China have not given confirmed financing the IP gas pipeline project, Pakistan and Iran will resume talks in the first week of September to finalise the arrangement of finance to lay Pakistan’s side of the pipeline.
    Russia and China are conducting due diligence of the project although there has been no response so far, said an official.
    Pakistan will also urge the Iranian team to double its pledged amount to $500 million during the upcoming meeting of the working group on IP gas pipeline project. “Iran has already committed to raise $250 million financing for the gas pipeline project through its commercial banks,” sources said.
    The project is expected to facilitate the import of 700 million cubic feet of gas every day through the 2,100 kilometre pipeline which will ease the current energy crisis in Pakistan.
    Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline is expected to reach the zero border point in the first half of next Iranian calendar year beginning 20 March 2013. National Iranian Gas Company (NIGC) Managing Director, Javad Oji in a recent statement, said that work on the 56-inch Seventh Iran’s Gas Trunkline from Iranshahr, southeast of Iran to Pakistan border and Zahedan city is complete and it is expected to come on stream in September 2013.
    Coordination committee to meet on Monday
    In another group meeting, a special Iranian team will participate in the two-day coordination committee meeting on the IP gas pipeline project scheduled to meet in Islamabad on Monday to review progress of the project.
    Pakistan and Iran had formed the joint working body to finalise a deal with the latter to lay Pakistan’s portion of the pipeline during a meeting held in Islamabad on July 17 and 18.
    The Joint Working Group comprised experts from technical, legal, financial and commercial sectors to work out details with respect to implementation of the Iran-Pakistan gas pipeline project.
    “This group will also examine the impact of US sanctions against Iran on IP gas pipeline project,” sources added. State-owned National Bank of Pakistan (NBP) and Oil and Gas Development Company Limited (OGDC) walked away from the project last year fearing US sanctions. In March this year, the world’s largest bank Industrial and Commercial Bank of China Limited (ICBC) after agreeing to finance Pakistan’s side of the pipeline also shied away.
    “If the two countries reach an agreement, Iran would also provide material for the pipeline,” source added.
    German based firm ILF has completed detailed engineering design of IP gas pipeline project and according to the interim feasibility report, the cost of the project is between $1.2 and $1.5 billion.
    “If the project is materialised with the participation of local companies, the cost of the project fall while the cost would go up if foreign companies complete the project. Sources also hinted that local and Iranian companies could wrap up the project.

    Published in The Express Tribune, August 25th, 2012.

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