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    India and Pakistan’s Dialogue of the Deaf

    SEPT. 2, 2015

    KARACHI, Pakistan — We are at it again. India and Pakistan are talking a lot these days, mostly about why they don’t want to talk to each other. Our national security advisers were supposed to meet last week. And they were supposed to talk about terrorism. Instead, they did what they do best: They hurled accusations at each other about how the other side doesn’t really know to talk, and the meeting was canceled.

    India accuses Pakistan of sponsoring terrorism in India. Pakistan accuses India of sponsoring terrorism in Pakistan, and of having bad manners. To India, it seems obvious that Pakistani militants were behind the 2008 attacks in Mumbai, and it is exasperated that the world won’t punish Pakistan for that. It is upset that the man accused in the attacks, Zaki-ur-Rehman Lakhvi, was released on bail after a leisurely trial in Pakistan, and was able to produce a baby while in prison. India is also upset that the plot’s alleged mastermind, Hafiz Muhammad Saeed, is allowed to roam freely, addressing rallies despite the bounty the American government has placed on his head.

    In its own defense Pakistan points to all the hundreds of suspected terrorists it has killed in the last year and a half. It reminds India that some 60,000 Pakistanis have been killed by terrorists. India responds by saying: You are only killing the terrorists who kill Pakistanis while protecting the terrorists who kill Indians.

    Lurking under this neighborly rage are stereotypes that refuse to fade. India thinks Pakistan is an aging terrorism addict that keeps hitting up the world for loose change so it can get its next fix. Pakistan thinks India is an old uncle who has come into some money late in life but still doesn’t know how to dress. India says Pakistan is the pesky kid who is always picking a fight in the neighborhood. Pakistan says India is the real bully — and if you don’t believe it, go ask the other kids on the block: Bangladesh, Sri Lanka, Nepal. Still don’t believe it? Go ask the Kashmiris. India says no one should ask the Kashmiris anything because Pakistan has poisoned their minds.

    India would like the world to make Pakistan stand in a corner of the classroom and again and again write on the blackboard, “I have been a bad boy.” Pakistan claims the dog ate its homework, and that it is busy hunting the dog down. Pakistan wants the world to believe that it has changed. India wants the world to remember that Pakistan supported the Taliban and sheltered Osama bin Laden.

    While the two governments aren’t talking to each other, their pundits shout from both sides. It’s not pretty. Indians: You are protecting Saeed. Pakistanis: You elected a prime minister some have accused of inciting deadly religious riots in Gujarat; before he became prime minister, the man wasn’t even allowed into the United States. Indians: You are practically hostage to your army and intelligence agencies. What do you know about democracy?

    After that the level of debate really rises. Pakistan accuses India of being jealous of Pakistan’s close friendship with China and their recent deal over an economic corridor. India says it’s Pakistan that’s jealous, because India is the new China.

    This line of reasoning has held for nearly 70 years. Three generations have lived either with war or the imminent threat of war.

    A bunch of alleged Pakistani gunmen storm the Indian Parliament, and we are on the brink of war. Some dead Pakistani Taliban are found to be uncircumcised, and are declared agents of India. A few months ago the Indian media ran triumphant reports of Indian security forces capturing a Pakistani spy pigeon.

    Some among India’s latest breed of democrats and bureaucrats fantasize about India sending an elite commando into Pakistan to take out Saeed, like the United States did with Osama bin Laden. Pakistan reminds them that it has nuclear bombs. India says its nuclear bombs are bigger and better. Are these two nuclear powers talking to each other, or are they two teenagers playing a game of dare?

    Maybe it’s time India and Pakistan did away with the pretense that they want peace. Hundreds of miles of barbed wires on the border, countless searchlights and mile-long visa forms haven’t made us feel secure about each other.

    Pakistanis who have visited India or met a real-life Indian will tell you, “They are just like us.” Indians say the same of Pakistanis. Which makes all of them sound as though they had been expecting to discover a nation of feral animals.

    Then again, in large parts of India and Pakistan, there is no enmity and there is no love. Most people don’t even make much of the fact that the two countries are neighbors.

    As a Pakistani when you fill out an Indian visa form, you are required not only to give your father’s name but also information about your grandfather and grandmother if they were Pakistani. A few years ago while I was traveling to India to attend a literary festival, I was stopped at an immigration desk in Mumbai airport. The authorities were on the lookout for another Mohammed Hanif whose father shared the same name as my late dad’s.

    After a long interrogation about my ancestors I was asked to write a statement on a plain piece of paper: “I, Mohammed Hanif, son of Mohammed Siddiq, am not the Mohammed Hanif son of Mohammed Siddiq who is wanted in India.” I happily wrote and signed and was allowed in. It is true that some of our ancestors took to mass murder at the time of partition. But many more didn’t. Maybe we should all write our names and our fathers’ names over and over, to keep reassuring one another that we are here not to kill, but to talk.

    Mohammed Hanif is the author of the novels “A Case of Exploding Mangoes” and “Our Lady of Alice Bhatti.

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    India's Frontier Railways Episode 3 The Samjhauta Express BBC Documentary 2015

    This is a moving documentary about the train that links Pakistan and India. It tells us about the people who use this train and why.

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    While friends travel on the Samjauta, then can consider this tale of Two narratives , notice the Indian is forever talking about attacking this or that in Pakistan, but dares not take one step across the Intl border, no permission from the US?? :

    Pakistan wants friendly relations with India, but not at its own cost: COAS

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    Peace and stability will help country make rapid economic progress, said Raheel Sharif

    LONDON: Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif on Thursday said that Pakistan wants peaceful and friendly relations with India but not at the cost of its own interests and dignity.

    Speaking at the dinner hosted by Pakistan’s High Commissioner in London Syed Ibne Abbas, General Raheel Sharif said Pakistan is going through its most crucial time in history and added that peace and stability will eventually take the country towards a brighter future.

    He said that Pakistan's anti-terror offensive, Operation Zarb-i-Azb, has had a positive effect on the country’s security situation and will ultimately rid it of terrorism.

    Our forces have rendered great sacrifices and now it is time for Pakistan to move on, let peace and stability help the country make rapid economic progress," said Raheel Sharif.

    The army chief also repeated the resolve to to bring back the displaced families of Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) back to their homes.

    Speaking about Pakistan-UK bilateral relations, Army chief said the two countries have historical relations and military links which are gaining strength.

    He also thanked the British-Pakistani community for their support in the 'testing times' Pakistan is going through saying that overseas Pakistanis understand the challenges faced by their home country.

    The High Commissioner, in his address, after welcoming the Chief of Army Staff and his delegation lauded Pakistan Army's sacrifices during the anti-terror operation.

    "The courage with which the armed forces and the people of Pakistan are fighting the menace of terrorism is unparalleled," said Ibne Abbas.

    The dinner was attended by Archbishop of Canterbury Justin Welby, Lords, business leaders, Pakistani community along with British military and civil service officers.

    Military operation Zarb-i-Azb was launched by the Pakistan Army on June 15 following a brazen militant attack on Karachi's international airport claimed by the proscribed Tehreek-i-Taliban Pakistan (TTP) and failure of peace talks between the government and TTP negotiators.

    More than a million people had fled the offensive in North Waziristan, which is aimed at wiping out longstanding militant strongholds in the area, which borders Afghanistan.

    Attacking Pak Army HQ an option, warns Indian brigadier

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    SRINAGAR: Brigadier JS Cheema of the Army’s Baramulla-based 19th Infantry Division said attacking Pakistan Army headquarters in Rawalpindi was an option with the Indian Army.

    Addressing a conference organised by the army to commemorate the 50th anniversary of the end of 1965 war at army’s strategic Srinagar-based 15 Corps headquarters, Brig Cheema said, attacking Pakistan Army headquarters was an option with the Indian Army.

    What are we waiting for? Another 26/11?” he said, says a report published in ‘Rising Kashmir’ a daily English newspaper.

    Brig Cheema said that New Delhi should deal with Islamabad the way the United States dealt with Pakistan when it carried the Operation Neptune Spear in May 2011 that resulted in the death of the former al-Qaeda chief, Osama bin Laden in Abbotabad.

    He said that Indian Army had already carried attacks inside another country – Myanmar - by attacking the camps of its rebel leaders and attacking Pakistan Army headquarters would not be something new.

    Indian Army had “crossed over to Myanmar territory” and launched a massive search involving hundreds of Army men and helicopters to track down the rebels during the operation.

    Brig Cheema also said that the army needs to play a role in making the separatist leadership in Kashmir irrelevant. “Issues of trivial nature are raked up and call for bands are being initiated,” he said. “Syed Ali Geelani, who has been a politician and contested polls in the past, is afraid of contesting polls now.”

    Brig Cheema said if Army does not indulge in human rights violations, separatists would be marginalized. Chalking out roles for the army, he said, “Our job is to maintain the sanctity of the borders and help in maintaining peace in the hinterland.

    Major General Raj Shukla of the 19th Infantry Division, in his speech said, New Delhi need not worry about the growing Islamabad-Beijing military partnership.

    China has never come to the rescue of Pakistan in wars,” he said. “That kind of military assistance is not forthcoming although there is transfer of military technology and the economic corridor coming up between the two countries.

    He said as far as the India-Pakistan military relations were concerned, Indian Army was defensive in larger sense but at the operational and tactical level, there was an offensive intent.

    Seconding Brig JS Cheema, he said if Pakistan initiates any conflict, Indian Army can escalate the conflict in a number of ways and attacking the Pakistan Army’s headquarter in Rawalpindi was an option.

    He said Army’s counter-infiltration grid was better now but the recruitment of qualified youth by militant groups was a cause of concern.

    Brig Shukla said the India-Pakistan conflict was not a case of a Hindu state of India versus a Muslim state of Pakistan as Muslim population in India was more than the Muslim population in Pakistan.

    He said the 1965 war between India and Pakistan was a result of Pakistan’s obsession of Kashmir. Pakistan’s economy then was more vibrant than outs and they first tried negotiations which proved futile,” Brig Shukla said. “Then they thought force will work and went for a war.

    Brigadier Rajeev Puri, the Commander of Kigam Garrison of the Army, said there was no reality in Kashmiri youth joining Islamic State (IS). “There are reports of only one Kashmiri having joined the IS,” he said. “Waving IS flag is something else and may be only about showing solidarity.”

    [MENTION=77]US CENTCOM[/MENTION] - look, One Captive Kashmiri has joined ISIL, why no offers of joint action to the Indian? Unless of course such agreement are already in place, eh?

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    Afghans to the right, Indians to the left, stuck in the middle with the Sodie winking at the US

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    Pakistan ready to discuss all outstanding issues with India, says Fatemi

    KARACHI: The special assistant to prime minister on foreign affairs, Syed Tariq Fatemi, said that Pakistan is ready to hold dialogue with India on all outstanding issues.

    He called upon the members of civil society to continue nudge and push the leadership of both the countries to hold talks.

    This he said while addressing a seminar on “Pakistan India Relations - Emerging Relatives” organised by the Karachi Council of Foreign Relations (KCFR) on Tuesday.

    Fatemi recalled that it was Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif who took the initiative, when after taking the charge of the premier’s office, Nawaz met his Indian counterpart Manmohan Singh on the sidelines of UN General Assembly at New York.

    It is a reality that Nawaz desires cordial relations with India, he added.

    Speaking on the occasion, former foreign minister Khursheed Mehmood Kasuri said he has not lost faith in the common sense of the people of both the sides and things will hopefully move in the positive direction.

    He also appreciated the premier for taking initiative to hold composite dialogue with India.

    Addressing the gathering, former Indian diplomat turned politician Mani Shankar Aiyar said “Pakistan and India have very close human relationship and there is so much to encourage both sides to develop healthy and friendly ties”.

    He was of the view that hard political problems between Indo-Pak should also be solved.

    Addressing the seminar, former foreign Secretary Shamshad Ahmed Khan said Pakistan and India have to come out of the current mode of not talking to each other.

    He said that Indo-Pak relations are extra-ordinary, which need to be understood and the aspect of human relationship between the people of both the sides should not be forgotten.

    Senator Aitzaz Ahsan, Indian High Commissioner Dr. T.C.A. Raghavan and former Sindh governor Moinuddin Haider were also present on the occasion.

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    Good sense to prevail only after Modi: Aiyar

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    Govt to continue exposing India's 'hostile policy': Sartaj Aziz
    ISLAMABAD: Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz said the government would continue to expose India's "hostile policy and designs" on all diplomatic fronts.

    Aziz was addressing at the Senate on Monday.

    The adviser assured the House that India's hostile posture would be exposed at all diplomatic fora consistently and effectively.

    He said this in a motion moved at a Senate session by PPP's Rehman Malik to discuss the recent confession of Indian Prime Minister Narendra Modi regarding India's role in dividing Pakistan and Bangladesh.

    He said there would be the need of complete support of the House and the nation in this regard.

    "Pakistan's armed forces are capable enough to fully safeguard national sovereignty and interests," stated Aziz.

    As far as the matter of bringing the issue to the international court of justice was concerned, Sartaj stated that it needed a thorough examination keeping in view all legal aspects.

    "The Indian Premier did not only mention India's involvement in Pakistan's disintegration in 1971, but did it with pride," he said, adding that the Indian confession was in complete violation of the United Nations charter.

    Also read: India wants to deny Pakistan strategic depth in Afghanistan: US report

    The adviser added that the international community was taking notice of the treatment meted out to minorities living in the so-called secular India.

    He also added that the Foreign Office has been raising its voice against Indian involvement in terror activities in different parts of the country and recalled that Pakistan had also recently handed three dossiers to the UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon.

    Read more: Dossiers of Indian hand in terrorism handed over to UN chief: Aziz

    Sartaj also read out a unanimous resolution recently passed by the National Assembly to condemn irresponsible and hostile statements against Pakistan by the Indian ruling leadership.

    Modi's statements condemned
    Earlier, lawmakers strongly condemned the Indian prime minister's statement and urged the government to take appropriate action against the hostile neighbour at international fora.

    Mushahid Hussain Syed said the Indian PM's statement was "full of joy and satisfaction" and reflected the Indian establishment's mindset that has not changed even after several decades.

    He also added that India played a role in "sabotaging the dialogue process" between the Afghan Taliban and the Afghan government which was initiated with the help of Pakistan to achieve peace in the region.

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    US urged to revive India-Pakistan talks

    WASHINGTON: Ahead of Army Chief Gen Raheel Sharif’s visit, a top US think-tank urged the Obama administration on Friday to persuade India to resume talks with Pakistan for reducing tensions in South Asia.

    The Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) also urged the US to keep its forces in Afghanistan till 2017 to redress India’s concerns.

    “To reduce the chances of conflict that could delay or hinder India’s global rise, the United States should encourage India to improve its relationship with Pakistan—as an investment in its own rise—particularly, at least to start, through greater trade connectivity,” said a CFR report.

    The report, prepared by the CFR task force of eminent American scholars, that the drawdown of US and other external forces in Afghanistan was fuelling India’s concerns about regional instability.

    “The task force recommends that the United States extend its commitment to Afghanistan—even beyond President Obama’s decision to slow the withdrawal of US troops from Afghanistan and retain a force of some 5,000 US troops in the country into 2017,” the report said.

    The 90-page report claims that the current US policy towards Pakistan was one of the main hurdles in the development of a strong India-US relationship.

    It asked the Obama Administration to end sale of any defence equipment to Pakistan if it does not “rein in terror”.

    “The US should demand that Pakistan meet its obligations as a state to tackle terrorism emanating from its territory, in both India and Afghanistan,” the report said.

    “If Pakistan is not willing to rein in terror, Washington should be prepared, at minimum, to end US taxpayer funding for defence equipment sales and reimbursement of coalition support funds,” it added.

    Published in Dawn, November 14th, 2015

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    Dossiers on India have no ‘material evidence’

    ISLAMABAD: The Senate Standing Committee on Foreign Affairs was told on Thursday that dossiers given to the United States and United Nations Secretary General on India’s alleged involvement in terrorism in Pakistan did not contain ‘material evidence’.

    Testifying before the Senate Foreign Affairs Committee, which met with Senator Nuzhat Sadiq in the chair, Adviser on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz said the dossiers instead contained the “pattern and narrative” of Indian involvement.

    “The dossiers have been meticulously prepared, but material evidence cannot be shared for the sake of protecting the sources,” he said, adding that the proofs could have only been provided to others in the narrative shape.

    Also read: Dossiers of Indian hand in terrorism handed over to UN chief: Aziz

    Mr Aziz had first talked about the three dossiers ahead of Pak-India National Security Advisers meeting, which was later cancelled. His statement led to a media hype that the government after decades of complaining about Indian role in terrorism in the country was finally readying to present credible evidence to the world.

    Sartaj tells Senate committee dossiers given to US, UN contain ‘pattern and narrative’
    Following the cancellation of the bilateral NSA talks, the dossiers were given to UN Secretary General Ban Ki-moon by Pakistan’s Permanent Re*pre*sentative in the UN, Dr Maleeha Lodhi. The same were also shared by Mr Aziz with US Secretary of State John Kerry during Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif’s visit to Washington last month.

    The dossiers, according to previous official statements, contained proofs about Indian involvement in Balo*chistan, Federally Administered Tribal Areas (Fata) and Karachi

    While talking to media after the US visit, Mr Aziz had said that the dossiers would help build a narrative about India’s patronage of subversive activities in Pakistan.

    Foreign Secretary Aizaz Ahmed Chaudhry told the committee that the contents of the dossiers could be shared with the members of the panel in an ‘in-camera’ session due to `the sensitivity of the matter’.

    CPEC: Mr Chaudhry struggled to explain the omission of China-Pakistan Economic Corridor (CPEC) from the joint statement issued after the meeting of Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif with President Obama in Washington on Oct 22.

    Senator Mushahid Hussain Sayed had pointed out that while the joint statement welcomed regional connectivity projects and named Afghanistan-Pakistan Transit Trade Agreement, the Central Asia South Asia Electricity Transmission and Trade Project (CASA-1000) electricity corridor, the Turkmenistan-Afghanistan-Pakistan-India (TAPI) natural gas pipeline project, it curiously remained silent on CPEC.

    Mr Chaudhry clarified that it was President Obama, who praised those projects and the same was noted in the joint statement.

    He further said that the Pakistani side had briefed the Obama administration about CPEC and apparently they had no objection to it.

    BANNED GROUPS: The foreign secretary disclosed that Falah-i-Insaniyat Foundation (FIF), a charity linked to Jamaat-ud-Dawah (JuD), was not among the organisations placed under observation.

    FIF as per some of the earlier government statements was under watch.

    It was not clear if the foreign secretary’s statement denoted a change in FIF’s status or he simply clarified the misperception that FIF was on the watch list.

    UN listed FIF as a terrorist organisation in 2012 under UNSC Resolution 1267 and 1989.

    JuD was meanwhile among the organisations whose activities were being supervised, Mr Chaudhry said.

    Another related group, Lashkar-e-Taiba, he said, was a banned entity.

    Published in Dawn, November 20th, 2015
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    Its already up so dont duplicate.
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