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    The Chinese BrahMos

    The Chinese BrahMos



    November 23, 2012: China found its first export customer (Pakistan) for its new CM-400AKG supersonic cruise missile. With a max range of 250 kilometers and a guidance system that includes GPS, onboard radar, and an image recognition system that can identify a specific target, this new missile uses its high speed to evade defenses on ships. In all these respects the CM-400AKG is very similar to the Indo-Russian BrahMos. One major difference between the two missiles is that the CM-400AKG is still in development and there is no evidence of tests. This sale may be a ploy by the Chinese manufacturer to determine if it will be worth the huge expense to actually make this missile work.

    To understand that conundrum, consider the background of the missile the CM-400AKG is so similar to. BrahMos is a 3.2 ton missile with a range of 300 kilometers and a 300 kg (660 pound) warhead. Perhaps the most striking characteristic is its high speed, literally faster (at up to 1,000 meters/3,100 feet per second) than a rifle bullet. Guidance is GPS or inertial to reach the general area of the target (usually a ship or other small target), then a radar that will identify the specific target and hit it. The high speed at impact causes additional damage (because of the weight of the entire missile). All this is almost identical with the CM-400AKG.

    India and Russia developed the weapon together and now offer it for export. The high price of each missile, about $2-3 million (depending on the version), restricts the number of countries that can afford it. The weapon entered service with the Indian navy in 2005. Different versions of the missile can be fired from aircraft, ships, ground launchers, or submarines. The maximum speed of 3,000 kilometers an hour makes it harder to intercept and means it takes five minutes or less to reach its target. The air launched version weighs 2.5 tons.

    The 9.4 meter (29 foot) long, 670mm diameter missile is an upgraded version of the Russian SS-NX-26 (Yakhont) missile, which was still in development when the Cold War ended in 1991. Lacking money to finish development and begin production, the Russian manufacturer eventually made a deal with India to put up most of the $240 million needed to finally complete two decades of development. The BrahMos is being built in Russia and India, with the Russians assisting India in setting up manufacturing facilities for cruise missile components. Efforts are being made to export up to 2,000 but no one has placed an order yet. Russia and India are encouraged enough to invest in BrahMos 2, which will use a scramjet, instead of a ramjet, in the second stage. This would double the speed and make the missile much more difficult to defend against.

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    China Develops CM-400AKG Pakistan's Hypersonic Carrier Killer Missile For JF-17


    JF-17's CM-400AKG Hypersonic Aircraft Carrier Killer Missile

    China has developed a hypersonic Aircraft carrier killer missile and has been deployed by the PAF.

    The missile has been described as the PAF's Hypersonic 'Carrier Killer Missile'
    Pakistan has deployed a new hypersonic long-range air-launched missile that officials in the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) have described as "a hypersonic aircraft carrier killer missile".
    The CM-400AKG is a Mach 4 plus-capable air-to-surface weapon developed in China and now in service with JF-17 fighter aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force. The weapon, designated CM-400AKG, was designed and developed in China by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) and was revealed at Airshow China 2012, held in Zhuhai in November.

    The CM-400AKG is now part of the operational weapon set of the PAF's JF-17 Thunder multirole fighter. "This is a mature weapon that has been fully tested. It is not conceptual. It is in service," Air Commodore Mahmood Khalid, PAF JF-17 Deputy Project Director stated. "The CM-400AKG is a very high-speed missile that is very tough to intercept. It hits the target at Mach 4 or above and its kinetic impact alone is enough to destroy any high-value target, like an aircraft carrier."


    The CM-400AKG first appeared, briefly, in public at last year's Dubai Airshow, when a placard for the weapon was placed alongside a PAF JF-17 - and then removed. The weapon itself was not shown. At the time PAF personnel acknowledged it was a new Chinese-built air-to-surface stand-off missile. However, the initial assumption that it was a derivative of the C-802 anti-ship missile has proved to be very wide of the mark.

    The CM-400AKG is a 400 kg solid-rocket-powered weapon that can be fitted with either a penetrator or blast/fragmentation warhead. It is a fire-and-forget precision-guided weapon that can be fitted with several seeker options, which are understood to include an active radar seeker and an imaging infrared seeker with target-recognition (TR) capabilities. PAF sources say the missile can be pre-programmed with digital imagery for highly precise attacks against fixed sites in TR mode, but it can also be retargeted in flight by using the radar seeker option.

    The range of the CM-400AKG is estimated to be in the 180-250 km class. It is designed for use against fixed or what were described as "slow moving" targets. CASIC data indicates that after launch the CM-400AKG climbs to high altitude and terminates with a high-speed dive on the target. The PAF describes the missile's impact velocity as "hypersonic" (> Mach 5).
    Both CASIC and the PAF note that the CM-400AKG has been developed as a JF-17 Aircraft carrier killer weapon. The PAF currently has two squadrons of approximately 36 JF-17s operational.

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    This indeed is a very good news. Indians are still working on the air version of Brahmos and I believe that their requirement for provision of SU 30 and one more type of aircraft to the manufacturers has probably not been met so far. In any case if and when the Indians develop Brahmos, its range would almost be similar because of restrictions placed by weight carried by one aircraft.

    I think Pakistan may also like to vie for the land based and ship carried version with 300 km or more particularly for the coastal defence requirements as well.

    Secondly, I think it is also time for Pakistan to collaborate with China for anti-carrier ballistic missile system which is operational with The Chinese.
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    Spot on Ticker! The CM-400 AKG is a brilliant choice by PAF as it is seen as a carrier-killer. The final version is believed to be hypersonic (mach 5) when it's completed. Just think of the kinetic impact of the missile.

    We're also looking into S-300SM in both China and Russia.
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    CM-400 AKG has a max range of 300 due MTCR restrictions but it can be modified in time to longer range. Babur, Ra'ad and now CM-400, great going!~
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    I think in time, with a couple of nuclear subs, CM-400 AKG and an anti-carrier ballistic missiles system having a range of over 2000 km, India may have to hide her carriers(s) in Australia to avoid being hit.

    PN will also have around 7-9 AIP (3 Augustas and 6 Chinese) equipped subs by 2015, and ground and air based such weapon systems including cruise and anti-carrier ballistic missiles systems, the Indian Navy would be all dressed up and nowhere to go.
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    PAFs carrier killer - CM-400 AKG

    China supersonic CM-400 AKG long range anti-ship and land attack missile

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    The weapon has been Described as the PAFs carrier killer

    The CM-400AKG Mach 4 is a plus-capable air-to-surface weapon Developed in China and now in service with JF-17 aircraft of the Pakistan Air Force. (Robert Hewson) The weapon, Designated CM-400AKG, was designed and Developed in China by the China Aerospace Science and Industry Corporation (CASIC) and was Revealed at Airshow China 2012, held in Zhuhai from November 13 to 19.

    The CM-400AKG is now part of the operational weapon set of the PAFs JF-17 Thunder multirole fighter. This is a mature weapon has been fully tested That. It is not conceptual. It is in service, Air Commodore Khalid Mahmood, PAF JF-17 Deputy Project Director stated. The CM-400AKG is a very high-speed missile that is very Difficult to intercept. It hits the target at Mach 4 or above and its kinetic impact alone is enough to destroy any high-value target, like an aircraft carrier.

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    The CM-400AKG Appeared first, briefly, in public at last years Dubai Airshow, When a placard for the weapon was Placed alongside to PAF JF-17 and then removed. The weapon itself was not shown. At the time it was Acknowledged PAF personnel to new Chinese-built air-to-surface stand-off missile. However, the initial assumption That It was a derivative of the C-802 anti-ship missile has PROVED to be very wide of the mark.

    The CM-400 is 400AKG kg solid-rocket-powered weapon That Can be Fitted with Either a penetrator or blast / fragmentation warhead. It is a fire-and-forget precision-guided weapon That Can be Fitted with several options seeker, Which are Understood to include an active radar seeker and an imaging infrared seeker with target-recognition (TR) capabilities. PAF sources say the missile can be pre-programmed with digital imagery highly needed for attacks against fixed sites in TR mode, but it can be retargeted in flight Also by using the radar seeker option.

    The range of the CM-400AKG is Understood to be in the 180-250 km class. It is designed for use against fixed or what Were Described as slow moving targets. Data Indicates That CASIC launch after the CM-400AKG climbs to high altitude and Terminates with a high-speed dive on the target. The PAF describe the missiles impact velocity as hypersonic.

    Both CASIC and the PAF note the CM-400AKG That Has Been Developed As A JF-17 weapon. The PAF currently has two squadrons of approximately 36 JF-17s operational. A ten or eleven aircraft Further Have Been Delivered and a third squadron will be Established early next year.

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    Not even in the same league, one is Mach 3 terrain hugging missile and the other one follows ballistic trajectory.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Skull and Bones View Post
    Not even in the same league, one is Mach 3 terrain hugging missile and the other one follows ballistic trajectory.
    Indeed, there's a big difference and there's practically no comparison between the missiles, they're completely different. Nevertheless its induction in PN will keep Indian carriers miles away from Pakistani territorial waters.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Indeed, there's a big difference and there's practically no comparison between the missiles, they're completely different. Nevertheless its induction in PN will keep Indian carriers miles away from Pakistani territorial waters.
    Ballistic trajectory has never been tested against ships under real world conditions, and it has been mentioned that this standoff missile is effective for stationery targets and/or slow moving target.

    And an aircraft with top speed of 60 km/h is considered pretty fast. I can provide all valid links to support my claim, if you guys want to.

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    I am amazed that people do not see the impact of this 400AKG... You cannot stop it when it is approaching. It can be fired away 200 km distance so difficult to stop the host. And even if the size is not important... What would you do with a hole in you and you are floating in the middle of the ocean stacked with weapons and fuel? I mean, what is the chance you can handle a single hit? Zero.
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    A JF-17 formation equipped with 900kg CM-400AKG Stand Off Missile (SOM). CM-400AKG was first unveiled at Air Show China in 2012. It is believed to have a speed in excess of Mach4+ (Up to 5.5M in terminal phase) and an impressive range of 180 -250 km. CM-400 can be used against high value fixed targets, such as command centers, bridges, air defense radar, or even ship borne radars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post


    A JF-17 formation equipped with 900kg CM-400AKG Stand Off Missile (SOM). CM-400AKG was first unveiled at Air Show China in 2012. It is believed to have a speed in excess of Mach4+ (Up to 5.5M in terminal phase) and an impressive range of 180 -250 km. CM-400 can be used against high value fixed targets, such as command centers, bridges, air defense radar, or even ship borne radars.
    That isn't a photo-shopped image is it?
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    Yes, the missile is still under development and will be testfired next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AgNoStIc MuSliM View Post
    That isn't a photo-shopped image is it?
    Why do you say that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neo View Post
    Yes, the missile is still under development and will be testfired next year.
    Quote Originally Posted by Ticker View Post
    Why do you say that.
    OK. Thanks.
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    The Deputy Project Director of the JF-17 Thunder/FC-1 Xiaolong fighter jet program, Air Commodore Mahmood Khalid has said, "This is a mature weapon that has been fully tested. It is not conceptual. It is in service. It hits the target at Mach 4 or above and its kinetic impact alone is enough to destroy any high-value target, like an aircraft carrier. The CM-400AKG is a very high-speed missile that is very difficult to intercept."

    Link: CM-400 AKG Supersonic Long Range Anti Ship/Land Attack Missile ~ Pakistan Military Review

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ticker View Post
    The Deputy Project Director of the JF-17 Thunder/FC-1 Xiaolong fighter jet program, Air Commodore Mahmood Khalid has said, "This is a mature weapon that has been fully tested. It is not conceptual. It is in service. It hits the target at Mach 4 or above and its kinetic impact alone is enough to destroy any high-value target, like an aircraft carrier. The CM-400AKG is a very high-speed missile that is very difficult to intercept."

    Link: CM-400 AKG Supersonic Long Range Anti Ship/Land Attack Missile ~ Pakistan Military Review
    Pak Military Review is a blog, a good one if you ask me. But the missile has not been exported to Pakistan, it is still under development.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ticker View Post
    The Deputy Project Director of the JF-17 Thunder/FC-1 Xiaolong fighter jet program, Air Commodore Mahmood Khalid has said, "This is a mature weapon that has been fully tested. It is not conceptual. It is in service. It hits the target at Mach 4 or above and its kinetic impact alone is enough to destroy any high-value target, like an aircraft carrier. The CM-400AKG is a very high-speed missile that is very difficult to intercept."

    Link: CM-400 AKG Supersonic Long Range Anti Ship/Land Attack Missile ~ Pakistan Military Review
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    Pak Military Review is a blog, a good one if you ask me. But the missile has not been exported to Pakistan, it is still under development.
    The two statements can probably be reconciled if one sees the Air Commodore's reference to the CM-400AKG of 'not conceptual, in service and full tested' as referring to the induction and use of the CM-400AKG in the Chinese military.

    The weapon, while a mature system itself, could still be undergoing integration testing with the JF-17 in the PAF.
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